Looking back on the early game, I can kind of see how you got there, and I think you've got a decent shot at being three for three, tbh.
How did they get there? This is looking to soft clear three, maybe four players, with absolutely no reasoning. I feel like this kind of statement needs to be backed up.
I'm not going to address your comments about my post, fluffy and otherwise. I will address why I didn't vote Vaimes as you asked me about it specifically. I didn't vote Vaimes, because I didn't have a solid enough read. Vaimes looked scummier than KJ based on how I interpreted their conversation, but I'm not so confident that I'm ready to vote.
So far nothing reads as obvious scum. It's all just town paranoia. There's no substance to any of the arguments.
That being said, my current premonition of doubt has been placed upon Sentenza.
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The allegation is, your vibes are off, now react and give me amusement, or face the wrath of the stars.
I keep coming back to this post. This post just feels forced. I can't tell if that's entirely stemming from not having time to play or if it's scum struggling to find a footing.
It's not a confrontational post and it's not really reaction baiting in an obvious way. Especially since the follow up post was decidedly uninterested in Sentzenas reply or really anything to do with her.
It's dismissive trying to say nothing has happened that's strongly AI which scum live to do when they enter. Gives cover for not forcing natural seeming early reads. It's not purely a scum tactic (I love to bluster like that as town) but it's leaning that way.
The push on Sentenza is entirely opaque making it feel like bait as mentioned before but he just doesn't follow it up with anything in that direction. Instead preferring to defend himself joyfully when he discovers there were technically sever naked or close to it vites on him.
That combination of not bothering to really read to find the reasons for the votes (given beforehand in my case) and not following up his either real opaque read or reaction baiting with anything shows a lack of townie intent.
I'm not going to address your comments about my post, fluffy and otherwise. I will address why I didn't vote Vaimes as you asked me about it specifically. I didn't vote Vaimes, because I didn't have a solid enough read. Vaimes looked scummier than KJ based on how I interpreted their conversation, but I'm not so confident that I'm ready to vote.
Just repeating with a quote because this looks so mechanical.
"Not going to address" "you asked me specifically" "how I interpreted the conversation"
I'm bad at tone reading and I really should have some idea of your writing style before I attempt to make one, but that sounds like it was edited 3 times which would strongly indicate it comes from scum.
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The issue that I'm getting at doesn't have anything to do with your negative/positive opinion on the your observation, it had to do with what observation you were actually making. One post seemed to imply that you thought DotA was establishing an antialignment in a self-aware way - that he did it on purpose, and the other post implied the opposite.
What I'm asking is for you to clarify what your initial observation actually was.
And once you've clarified what you actually meant, could you expand on a concrete, believable situation that might reasonably occur in this game where your observation, whichever one it is, would be used for either of these things? Unless you're using the word "accountability" in a different way than I am, I'm having trouble mapping this concept onto any kind of plausible future situation that makes sense to me.
Rodemy, I'd still like an answer to this question.
That's cool. Pretty sure ive clarified what i meant.
My initial thought was that he posted it intentionally to distance himself from you. Whether that makes you scum together or masons, i dont know. But it was an observation. My first thought was that it was scummy, but then i thought about the mason part of this game.
In the long run, i dont think he'll be able to be held accountable for that. At the time, i thought i was being super clever rodemy.
Still not a fan of his replies though.
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I wanted to make the same points that grape did, but he beat me to it.
Off the Grid Rumanashi was fighting scum shadow and mostly winning. He is good at reaction baiting, but he isn't doing anything this game to generate reads.
In regards to Tubba, he asked me a question that I said I will answer after Rodemy answers my question. He totally forgot about it. That has a higher chance of coming from scum than from town.
@KJ: top 3 scum reads are Ruamanshi, Tubba and the third is a lot closer to the null level so I'm not as confident, but it's mikey or ganderin.
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Tubba I'm not sure that post could sound more stilted. Apart from Vaimes maybe being scummier than KJ what are you feeling about this game?
What do you make of Rod?
I was up way past my bedtime on that one and I'm a little subpar this morning.
I'm actually pretty confused about this game. I felt like my brain expanded once I realized the implications of masons. It makes a difficult part of the game, seem even harder.
I'd place rod in a lean town pile. His pushes seem genuine and he's willing to engage on them. They don't feel like an opportunistic attack on someone, more like an attempt to get to the bottom of something that pinged him.
I wanted to make the same points that grape did, but he beat me to it.
Off the Grid Rumanashi was fighting scum shadow and mostly winning. He is good at reaction baiting, but he isn't doing anything this game to generate reads.
In regards to Tubba, he asked me a question that I said I will answer after Rodemy answers my question. He totally forgot about it. That has a higher chance of coming from scum than from town.
@KJ: top 3 scum reads are Ruamanshi, Tubba and the third is a lot closer to the null level so I'm not as confident, but it's mikey or ganderin.
I hadn't forgotten, it just seemed like Rod hadn't yet addressed your question.
I know you don't mean anything by it, I just think that's how a few people interpreted it.
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1. Dan-null
2. Ruma-town & a mason partner
3. Dawn-scum
4. Tubba-town
5. Vezok-scum
6. Huntziso-null
7. Rodemy-slight town
8. Dota-town, but has dropped off recently
9. Sentenza-starting to lean town
10. Vaimes-scum-upon-towny
11. Grape-barely town
12. Emcee-town
13. Killjoy-scum
Currently working hypothesis is a killjoy/dbs/vezok trio. It's possible that one of the three is actually lurking among inactives though (hopefully no more than that, as it's unfair even with only one)
Whoops, just read that you've never played before. I'd tell you to ignore that particular question, but there's a chance you're responding at the same time I'm writing this.
I'd counter his play here isn't in a way that moves the gamestate. He's being dismissive not in a reaction generating way but in a you can't read me way. He's also not doing anything that is moving the game forward at all. Vaimes called it active lurking and I think that fits.
This is it. The entire Ruma case, in four sentences.
I can understand how sentenza feels about grapefruit because I feel the same way. Basically he seems good enough that he'll be able to act towny even as scum. Which is why my read on him is based solely off of his masonry of killjoy, since I think killjoy is scum (and scum grapefruit wouldn't risk mason claiming with his partner imo).
Without that killjoy interaction I think he'd be null.
Are you sure this is your first game? You seem to have picked up an awful lot just from reading.
This is less me calling you a liar, and more me being jealous it took me years to feel competent playing mafia.
Talk to me after the game is over and we'll see just how competent I'm feeling, lol.
I appreciate the compliment, but I read a lot, and from everything I've specifically read regarding advice to new players, you learn a lot more by just diving in and throwing yourself into the game and not worrying too much about making a mistake or getting things wrong. I'm trying to just streamroll my way over my own newbness and channel the veterans / good players I read.
Intwresting.
You must be channeling the same veteran players I do, because I feel like I can feel their influence through you.
Whoops, just read that you've never played before. I'd tell you to ignore that particular question, but there's a chance you're responding at the same time I'm writing this.
Wait. What? You could not have missed that exchange. And what caused you to re read page 2 anyway?
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Whoops, just read that you've never played before. I'd tell you to ignore that particular question, but there's a chance you're responding at the same time I'm writing this.
Wait. What? You could not have missed that exchange. And what caused you to re read page 2 anyway?
Also, it makes no sense to accuse me of lying about whether or not I know this is Sentenza's first game unless you specifically think we're scum together and distancing, despite both of us being in pretty good positions right now.
I guess I'll share in case it helps to clarify: I thought Grapefruit slipped by addressing Sentenza as "she" because I didn't recall her mentioning her gender in the thread. I asked my question to her, opened her and Grapefruit's ISO in case they were knowingly aligned, and then saw posts by Sentenza that answered 2/3 of my questions.
Another reason why I asked Sentenza whether this was her first game was because she is very much posting like someone who's been playing mafia for a long time. Or at least a handful of games on a quality site.
So I've skimmed a couple of times now, and have some brief notes. I don't intend to really try and pursue any lines of questioning from the first few pages in the game at this point, but I reserve the right to change my mind about that. I'm going to take another pass through today in further detail, but in the meanwhile, a bit of stream-of-consciousnessy crossection (and an unusual portrayal) of my thoughts:
@KJ (Hey, the joke was a joke. You've missed the obvious for some reason. anyways, this read is a lock, fight me), Mikey (by comparison to what's going on with the rest of the town, his KJ/Vaimes post is a herculean amount of effort that didn't need to be posted in such length/detail to get his point across. I felt like I was able to see the lightbulb come on in his head) for town
GF (he strikes me as the only person that is actively trying to push wagons for the benefit of the town, and I strongly agree on his point regarding KJ/Ruma), Vezok (his scum meta normally has much larger machinations at play, and town play should account for bouncing back and forth off of ideas [some of which are normally bad] until he figures something out that has merit and can actually stick)leaning town
Sentenza for my really really wanting her to be town, but between some gut feelings I have that she's not necessarily trying to discern mindsets and is moreso just attacking faulty base mafia theory/logic (which really appeals to me), I can't put her as highly as GF and vezok, but still leaning town as well
Vaimes & Rodemy for confusing me, but should be left around to provide content + sort themselves out (Vaimes, in particular, is rubbing me the wrong way, but I think that I could be coloring that from how firmly I believe KJ is town. Still, something is bothering me on a gut level where I don't think his play is matching the town game I have visualized for him)
Random aside: hey @Vaimes, how you feeling about those three early reads at this point of Dota, Rodemy & Vezok?
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DBS for slight scumlean (I think more than one person has posted that this is not out of her town norm, which I am attempting to factor into my assessment). The first post pat-on-the-back has been discussed, but I generally disagree with a few of her ideas, similarly think she's not progressing the gamestate, but is at least actively providing feedback by comparison to Tubba
Tubba for being overrated based off of one post that Sentenza was correct in her analysis of, I think Vaimes beat me to this one somewhere in page 4-5 though. One catchup post to seem productive (I am embarrassingly familiar with this), some generic one-line posts asking low-impact questions, not progressing the gamestate
Ruma (horrible push on Sentenza, frustration doesn't read as genuine to me, can it really even be active lurking when you have one meaningful post [that really just lashes out against half of the game, without any lines of questioning to build upon his existing ideas] and don't really make any attempt to further the gamestate?) for the only player I'd be willing to place a vote on at this point
I, too, like to sort out the town players first, and leave the scum to be figured out afterwards, especially in setups where we know nothing silly is going to happen. So I can't necessarily get on board with the people saying that the +town method of scumhunting isn't an effective one.
Hopefully a votecount shows up sometime today. Also hopefully I figure out if I can commit to what I've just said about putting a vote on Ruma.
I actually like that post by dan. Granted the last game he played, he didnt post much and he was kinda obv scum. Here doesn't feel like his reads are fake.
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(I'm probably not going to let that be my only basis for reading him, but I thought it was significant enough to mention.)
Anyway.
DoTA has dropped off too much for my liking, Rod and vezok haven't actively done anything to make me think "scum" but also haven't done anything more towny, so. No major changes.
Doesn't hurt that Sentenza posted like 20 times overnight, 10+ of which were uninterrupted
@Rodemy I like hunting lurkers, given no better leads. Worst case, the town doesn't really lose much. I see no issues, and it wasn't really much of a push to begin with. And I hate rolling scum. So, so much.
Thanks, Vaimes, although I'm surprised you haven't changed opinions on Rodemy given 389, although page 6 didn't do much for him. Mind going a bit further into detail on him? I'm more surprised you didn't immediately bark up my KJ tree, though. Also, I'm not sure what you're addressing specifically in 396.
Then there's Rodemy who's kind of a special case insofar as many of his posts seem like they don't match any kind of thought process that makes sense from either alignment, so I'm kind of foregoing a mindset read and just waiting to see what he does, but he doesn't seem to be doing much of anything, so I'm just... waiting, I suppose.
I'd... get used to that.
@Iso if you start posting massive quotewalls I will vote you on principle.
Rod can be wrong and still be town? I don't really know what to tell you that hasn't already been said. His cluelessness doesn't look strategic, I guess? And that conversation I had with him about DoTA flowed really well and I didn't at all get the impression that it was a random faked thing.
I was talking about you in 396, since you said I'm not matching the townplay you visualized for me.
I'm not all that worried about Killjoy. I'm gonna let the slot simmer for a bit, since there's a mix of towny and scummy that I don't feel like stressing over when there are other slots being worse and probably easier to sort before lategame.
Put another way, I find Killjoy to be super scummy but also wouldn't be shocked if I were just flat-out wrong about him, and am trying to avoid confbiasing because it takes a coma-inducing amount of effort and humility to swerve out of the tunnel later.
Ok, I was just making sure it was addressed to me. I know it's been quite a while since we've played together, but I remembered your town meta a bit differently than how it's coming across here. I'll probably reread something to assuage my concerns at some point soon along those lines.
Then there's Rodemy who's kind of a special case insofar as many of his posts seem like they don't match any kind of thought process that makes sense from either alignment, so I'm kind of foregoing a mindset read and just waiting to see what he does, but he doesn't seem to be doing much of anything, so I'm just... waiting, I suppose.
I'd... get used to that.
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This is implying that you think Mikey doesn't deserve to be there. Where would you place him and why?
Think this from Tubba Fett smells a bit like whiteknighting a villager.
Look at the context around that post again. Mikey at that time wasn't being read across the board as town, with multiple players having different views on him. I was curious about vezok's take on Mikey and particularly why they had such a reaction to his spot on KJ's list.
I don't want to stifle any of the discussion going on but I would like to hear some more from killjoy, dota, tubba fett, and the like. Basically everyone who's posted less than 5 times in the past 2 days.
Killjoy is the most important because I think my case on him is pretty strong, but everyone should be sharing their thoughts (mostly on vaimes and sentenza, who everyone should have well-formed reads on by this point).
I habe the day off tomorrow. Im gonna look into kj and see if i can follow baimes logic l. Ill get past the fact i think him dota and sentz are thr scumteam and try and formulate nore logical reads for the sake of the game. I need to get my head back in this
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Tubba I'm not sure that post could sound more stilted. Apart from Vaimes maybe being scummier than KJ what are you feeling about this game?
What do you make of Rod?
I was up way past my bedtime on that one and I'm a little subpar this morning.
I'm actually pretty confused about this game. I felt like my brain expanded once I realized the implications of masons. It makes a difficult part of the game, seem even harder.
I'd place rod in a lean town pile. His pushes seem genuine and he's willing to engage on them. They don't feel like an opportunistic attack on someone, more like an attempt to get to the bottom of something that pinged him.
Can you point to anything that makes them not seem opportunistic?
Can you also expand on the bold text please.
Fair enough on the late night post being stilted. I've made some real howlers at 3am...
I know you don't mean anything by it, I just think that's how a few people interpreted it.
It's time for...
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1. Dan-null
2. Ruma-town & a mason partner
3. Dawn-scum
4. Tubba-town
5. Vezok-scum
6. Huntziso-null
7. Rodemy-slight town
8. Dota-town, but has dropped off recently
9. Sentenza-starting to lean town
10. Vaimes-scum-upon-towny
11. Grape-barely town
12. Emcee-town
13. Killjoy-scum
Currently working hypothesis is a killjoy/dbs/vezok trio. It's possible that one of the three is actually lurking among inactives though (hopefully no more than that, as it's unfair even with only one)
Can you talk to me about your DBS read. I think I can understand the Vezok one, and I know the KJ one (it's not worth it, he's my mason buddy!) but I can't wrap my head around the DBS one. She's posted like a grand total of 5 times and the only thing I can remember her doing is misrepresenting rodemy's catch.
Your tubba town read would be nice to hear as well.
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How did they get there? This is looking to soft clear three, maybe four players, with absolutely no reasoning. I feel like this kind of statement needs to be backed up.
I'm not going to address your comments about my post, fluffy and otherwise. I will address why I didn't vote Vaimes as you asked me about it specifically. I didn't vote Vaimes, because I didn't have a solid enough read. Vaimes looked scummier than KJ based on how I interpreted their conversation, but I'm not so confident that I'm ready to vote.
What do you make of Rod?
I keep coming back to this post. This post just feels forced. I can't tell if that's entirely stemming from not having time to play or if it's scum struggling to find a footing.
It's not a confrontational post and it's not really reaction baiting in an obvious way. Especially since the follow up post was decidedly uninterested in Sentzenas reply or really anything to do with her.
It's dismissive trying to say nothing has happened that's strongly AI which scum live to do when they enter. Gives cover for not forcing natural seeming early reads. It's not purely a scum tactic (I love to bluster like that as town) but it's leaning that way.
The push on Sentenza is entirely opaque making it feel like bait as mentioned before but he just doesn't follow it up with anything in that direction. Instead preferring to defend himself joyfully when he discovers there were technically sever naked or close to it vites on him.
That combination of not bothering to really read to find the reasons for the votes (given beforehand in my case) and not following up his either real opaque read or reaction baiting with anything shows a lack of townie intent.
Just repeating with a quote because this looks so mechanical.
"Not going to address" "you asked me specifically" "how I interpreted the conversation"
I'm bad at tone reading and I really should have some idea of your writing style before I attempt to make one, but that sounds like it was edited 3 times which would strongly indicate it comes from scum.
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So instead I’m catching up tomorrow night
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That's cool. Pretty sure ive clarified what i meant.
My initial thought was that he posted it intentionally to distance himself from you. Whether that makes you scum together or masons, i dont know. But it was an observation. My first thought was that it was scummy, but then i thought about the mason part of this game.
In the long run, i dont think he'll be able to be held accountable for that. At the time, i thought i was being super clever rodemy.
Still not a fan of his replies though.
Off the Grid Rumanashi was fighting scum shadow and mostly winning. He is good at reaction baiting, but he isn't doing anything this game to generate reads.
In regards to Tubba, he asked me a question that I said I will answer after Rodemy answers my question. He totally forgot about it. That has a higher chance of coming from scum than from town.
@KJ: top 3 scum reads are Ruamanshi, Tubba and the third is a lot closer to the null level so I'm not as confident, but it's mikey or ganderin.
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I was up way past my bedtime on that one and I'm a little subpar this morning.
I'm actually pretty confused about this game. I felt like my brain expanded once I realized the implications of masons. It makes a difficult part of the game, seem even harder.
I'd place rod in a lean town pile. His pushes seem genuine and he's willing to engage on them. They don't feel like an opportunistic attack on someone, more like an attempt to get to the bottom of something that pinged him.
I hadn't forgotten, it just seemed like Rod hadn't yet addressed your question.
It's time for...
A READS LIST- WITH NO CONTEXT! (Context! context)
1. Dan-null
2. Ruma-town & a mason partner
3. Dawn-scum
4. Tubba-town
5. Vezok-scum
6. Huntziso-null
7. Rodemy-slight town
8. Dota-town, but has dropped off recently
9. Sentenza-starting to lean town
10. Vaimes-scum-upon-towny
11. Grape-barely town
12. Emcee-town
13. Killjoy-scum
Currently working hypothesis is a killjoy/dbs/vezok trio. It's possible that one of the three is actually lurking among inactives though (hopefully no more than that, as it's unfair even with only one)
Your posts are incredibly refreshing to read, I agree with almost everything you've said, and I really, really want you to be town.
What's your current read on him?
String him up.
This is less me calling you a liar, and more me being jealous it took me years to feel competent playing mafia.
Without that killjoy interaction I think he'd be null.
You must be channeling the same veteran players I do, because I feel like I can feel their influence through you.
anyway
Grapefruit is my #1 “would be disappointed but not totally shocked if mafia” read. I like him, but I’m going to be careful with it.
Wait. What? You could not have missed that exchange. And what caused you to re read page 2 anyway?
I didn't miss it, but couldn't recall which player it was about.
I mean, okay. It sounds like you are lying, but i can't actually prove that.
Catch me up on why kj is scum?
Rod with laser focus this game, I like it tbh.
He's kinda scummy in that he's pushing things that don't actually matter, whereas his reevaluation kinda looks towny.
I'll probably end up lynching him but he's not priority #1.
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Vaimes is town. Rod means well but is wrong.
@KJ (Hey, the joke was a joke. You've missed the obvious for some reason. anyways, this read is a lock, fight me), Mikey (by comparison to what's going on with the rest of the town, his KJ/Vaimes post is a herculean amount of effort that didn't need to be posted in such length/detail to get his point across. I felt like I was able to see the lightbulb come on in his head) for town
GF (he strikes me as the only person that is actively trying to push wagons for the benefit of the town, and I strongly agree on his point regarding KJ/Ruma), Vezok (his scum meta normally has much larger machinations at play, and town play should account for bouncing back and forth off of ideas [some of which are normally bad] until he figures something out that has merit and can actually stick)leaning town
Sentenza for my really really wanting her to be town, but between some gut feelings I have that she's not necessarily trying to discern mindsets and is moreso just attacking faulty base mafia theory/logic (which really appeals to me), I can't put her as highly as GF and vezok, but still leaning town as well
Vaimes & Rodemy for confusing me, but should be left around to provide content + sort themselves out (Vaimes, in particular, is rubbing me the wrong way, but I think that I could be coloring that from how firmly I believe KJ is town. Still, something is bothering me on a gut level where I don't think his play is matching the town game I have visualized for him)
Random aside: hey @Vaimes, how you feeling about those three early reads at this point of Dota, Rodemy & Vezok?
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DBS for slight scumlean (I think more than one person has posted that this is not out of her town norm, which I am attempting to factor into my assessment). The first post pat-on-the-back has been discussed, but I generally disagree with a few of her ideas, similarly think she's not progressing the gamestate, but is at least actively providing feedback by comparison to Tubba
Tubba for being overrated based off of one post that Sentenza was correct in her analysis of, I think Vaimes beat me to this one somewhere in page 4-5 though. One catchup post to seem productive (I am embarrassingly familiar with this), some generic one-line posts asking low-impact questions, not progressing the gamestate
Ruma (horrible push on Sentenza, frustration doesn't read as genuine to me, can it really even be active lurking when you have one meaningful post [that really just lashes out against half of the game, without any lines of questioning to build upon his existing ideas] and don't really make any attempt to further the gamestate?) for the only player I'd be willing to place a vote on at this point
I, too, like to sort out the town players first, and leave the scum to be figured out afterwards, especially in setups where we know nothing silly is going to happen. So I can't necessarily get on board with the people saying that the +town method of scumhunting isn't an effective one.
Hopefully a votecount shows up sometime today. Also hopefully I figure out if I can commit to what I've just said about putting a vote on Ruma.
Also @dan what so you thinl about vezoks push on you? Considering you guys were just scum together, i fins it odd that he pushed you after one post.
Anyway.
DoTA has dropped off too much for my liking, Rod and vezok haven't actively done anything to make me think "scum" but also haven't done anything more towny, so. No major changes.
I will, however, accept that people find my posting weird and scummy until they get used to it.
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Oh dear. Knocked to bronze.
I think dan is town.
@Rodemy I like hunting lurkers, given no better leads. Worst case, the town doesn't really lose much. I see no issues, and it wasn't really much of a push to begin with. And I hate rolling scum. So, so much.
Thanks, Vaimes, although I'm surprised you haven't changed opinions on Rodemy given 389, although page 6 didn't do much for him. Mind going a bit further into detail on him? I'm more surprised you didn't immediately bark up my KJ tree, though. Also, I'm not sure what you're addressing specifically in 396.
@Sentenza: I'd... get used to that.
@Iso if you start posting massive quotewalls I will vote you on principle.
I was talking about you in 396, since you said I'm not matching the townplay you visualized for me.
I'm not all that worried about Killjoy. I'm gonna let the slot simmer for a bit, since there's a mix of towny and scummy that I don't feel like stressing over when there are other slots being worse and probably easier to sort before lategame.
Look at the context around that post again. Mikey at that time wasn't being read across the board as town, with multiple players having different views on him. I was curious about vezok's take on Mikey and particularly why they had such a reaction to his spot on KJ's list.
Killjoy is the most important because I think my case on him is pretty strong, but everyone should be sharing their thoughts (mostly on vaimes and sentenza, who everyone should have well-formed reads on by this point).
Anyway, dan feels town.
I habe the day off tomorrow. Im gonna look into kj and see if i can follow baimes logic l. Ill get past the fact i think him dota and sentz are thr scumteam and try and formulate nore logical reads for the sake of the game. I need to get my head back in this
Can you point to anything that makes them not seem opportunistic?
Can you also expand on the bold text please.
Fair enough on the late night post being stilted. I've made some real howlers at 3am...
Can you talk to me about your DBS read. I think I can understand the Vezok one, and I know the KJ one (it's not worth it, he's my mason buddy!) but I can't wrap my head around the DBS one. She's posted like a grand total of 5 times and the only thing I can remember her doing is misrepresenting rodemy's catch.
Your tubba town read would be nice to hear as well.