Dont get upset at me for asking questions. A random blind vote by two people in quick succession
is enough to raise eyebrows and suspicion. Obviously you got my reaction, but you can't expect me not to ask for a reason.
@did anyone else want to know why those votes happened?
I'm not upset at you for asking questions. Or, indeed, at all.
I am at best perturbed that you keep trying to read me the same way despite it having literally never worked lol
Um.. Low fantasy. Nuff said ♡
Can you answer my question about ahadow?
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dude
I don't live in a world where every vote needs to have reasons, or even come with a scumread. If you do, whatever.
I voted bur not because I thought he was scum or wanted to lynch him
But because I wanted to vote bur and see what happened.
Like, I placed that vote and then asked shadow via neighbor chat if he wanted to join me.
And then I got to watch bur (sort of) react to me voting him, I got to see shadows response to me asking him to join me, i got to see the thread react to bur having two votes on him. AND THESE THINGS ARE STILL HAPPENING
Now do I want to lynch bur? Meh. On the one hand I could have guessed "d1 bur lynch" just by looking at the playerlist and in general I'm not in to doing that but also that nonreaction was not what I wanted from town bur didn't really look like he was trying to figure out of there were scum voting him and just automatically assuming me and shadow were neighbors and us being scumbuddies was no more than a joke to him and I feel like that should be a terrifying thought to any townie that knows us and MAN IT SURE WOULD BE BETTER IF I DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THIS BEFORE BUR CAME BACK this is why you just let me do my thing I always explain when it's time and I am able to to my satisfaction I feel like it
Also I think I know 6 neighborhoods now.
Could be 5 if one is the scumteam (Or if I'm wrong)
Yeah but you wanting to keep neighbors a secret wasn't pregame.
And they only people so far that KNEW you were gonna pick each other are.. you and shadow. So, you literally went back on what you said not 2 pages later.
Do you know who my neighbor is?
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So I knew pregame that the only way shadow wasn't picking me was if we randed buddies
This is accurate.
Plan to do a reread soonish? But I’m like, not actually sure what I think of people so I’m reading words and not taking things in.
How am i following the game better than you ._.?
Now that we know you and tom are attatched at the hip, csre to explain what info you wanted from bur when you asked him why he thought you were voting him? I kinda want to know what your intentions were with that one.
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I barely care about claiming neighborhoods and was literally against it because the game is called secret neighbors
But here I am POEing down who chose who
K. Whatchya got?
a steadily evolving view of the gamestate that will eventually lead me to figuring out the scumteam (the trick is figuring it out before you run out of lynches)
Eco: pretty good posts. Logical. I find myself seeing what he is saying eith ease. Vezok pressure feelsgoodman.gif
Dan: i am pretty fency right now on him. His initial post led me to believe he was trying to discredit me and my read on you by saying i was wrong. But then his 142 kind of sides with me. He is leaning scum in my reads.
Shadow: not posting nearly enough. That question of "why do you think i voted you" just doesnt sit well with me. He has also done very little right now in the game for me to get a good read. Although, i don't remember ever being this uncertain about him before. Even in chat he is.. distant?
Vezok: a little panicky with ecos pressure, no depth to what little opinions he has provided. But i feel like he is at the bottom of my scumspects. He hasnt posted really since the vote so i am still trying to get a better read on him.
Bur: Bur is in this game???
Tom: Sassypants McGee. You have a bit of a mindset discrepancy. You also keep saying you sre doing things for info but aren't sharing many reads. It IS a micro, so the sooner you post your thoughts the better.
That do anything for you?
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Eco looks and sounds solid town. I too see vezoks lackluster replies, although i am scared to say that is ultimatley a scum thing. He could just be bad at early game?
But here is my deciding factor for this vote:
He says he "likes dans responde to question 4"
Thats it. Not what he likes about it. Juat thag he does. I feel like that sort of blasé read can be inicative of scum trying ti say something townie.
His response ti evis pressure seems finicky as well. Pulling anothrr gsme into the mix. I get thag eco was scum in that game, but that was THAT game.
@vezok
Do you think eco would employ the same tactics as scum? Esspecially sincr it appears to be so easily pointed out and found?
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Have you even read my posts?
Yes, I am fully convinced that Eco scum would push wagonsfor bad reasons regardless of the game. He did it in an invitational. This is child's play for him.
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God dammit I just had a post get eaten because apparently the plugin I used to recover them violates chrome store policies and disabled itself GRRR. The gist of it was:
@Vezok:
Basically everyone else has managed to get blood from this particular stone, and I think your lack of evidence of trying is indicative of scum. People can judge for themselves if your opening posts are neutral and non-committal, it's not you I need to convince. But can't really accuse me of telling bald-faced lies when you look at how empty of opinion or analysis posts like #40 ("this WIFOM situation is WIFOM"), #48 ("I think this is the post in question, I can see how some people would call it WIFOM" with no followup on Rodemy or Tom, or even if you yourself think the post is WIFOM), #53, #67 (both "I got nothing"), #88 ("I have this tiny opinion but basically means nothing") #124 (Do you think Dan is town? What do you like about his answer?).
The thing that is annoying me most is that you've 100% committed to this dreadful counterattack as I've said VEZOK LOCK SCUM KILL IT IMMEDIATELY. It's not. I voted you because you've done some scummy things and we all have to start somewhere. The vicious and also poorly supported nature of your defence really doesn't look like someone interested in working the game out, just someone who has found a potential mislynch to stick their teeth into.
This is ignoring the fact that between #67 and #88 I asked multiple questions. #88 was just a continuation of my argument that the first page was not useful at all for scum hunting. You are trying to paint it as a a lack of anything.
In #124 you are arguing semantics. Obviously if I like an answer it means that it gives town points to that person. I've also responded to why I liked dan's answer just a few posts from it.
You are twisting my words and trying to paint my every action as scummy even when you fully know you are wrong. This is scum behaviour.
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This is ignoring the fact that between #67 and #88 I asked multiple questions. #88 was just a continuation of my argument that the first page was not useful at all for scum hunting. You are trying to paint it as a a lack of anything.
In #124 you are arguing semantics. Obviously if I like an answer it means that it gives town points to that person. I've also responded to why I liked dan's answer just a few posts from it.
You are twisting my words and trying to paint my every action as scummy even when you fully know you are wrong. This is scum behaviour.
You are correct, you did ask some questions. However, one (#74) was just clarification that didn't go anywhere. #87 looks really weird: it's a very serious post, but that's out of proportion for the best it's asking about. There's a lot of aggression for someone asking "how do you know when you'll need to adjust your play?". For all the seriousness of the post, it's also surprising that you never followed up on Shadow's response in #92.
RE: #124: well that's good then! Be explicit in your reads and we'll have fewer misunderstandings.
Perhaps I am being unfair, you have done more than nothing. But I can't really see any analysis from you: what are your reads right now? They don't have to be world beaters, I just want some evidence that you're trying to work out who's scum (apart from me obviously).
The scumgame in question that vezok pulled the quote from.
Vezok, why did you pull the quote and not aay what game it was so we can all look at it.
Eco, same question with an addon: how the hell did you remember what game let alone know which one was talkog about?
This may be nai, but it could also be tinfoil scum on scum sexytimes.
I could probably give you a summary of any mafia game I've played in my coming-up-to-ten year career. The Invitational was recent and seared onto my memory as an unpleasant experience, so I remember that in detail. Also I clicked the arrow as Vezok said to check the context.
Stuff happened since I asked shadow that question and I didn't really feel the need to follow up on it.
Here's my read list right now
Town
Tom
Shadow
dan
Rodemy
Neutral
Bur
Eco
Scum
Bur is just below the neutral line. Too few posts to make anything solid out of it and what's there isn't really good.
Rodemy, dan and shadow are about equal, but in that exact order although these aren't high confidence reads. I'm liking the questions Rodemy is asking. Seems to show a desire to solve the game. He's acting differently than Pirates mafia, but in a good way.
Shadow is nostly a gut read, but I like where his mind was with the Bur vote.
Tom is town cause I say so.
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I think we should claim all of our chats now, I’m building teams and think it’s useful info to have out in the open now.
@Rod: don’t be disappointed, I told you I was chatting with Tom pretty immediately too.
I understand, but the i. Game mindset is percieved to be way different. Like, you know, saying something you didnt mean.
Kind of like something scum would do.
I never said anything I didn’t mean. I was on board for chats being openly claimed before the end of day one since the beginning. In private, I saw no reason why I couldn’t or shouldn’t discuss any chat I had within another chat. It’s not like it’s a shared secret.
I picked Tom
Tom picked Eco
Eco picked me
Rod picked me
Bur picked eco (probably)
Vezok picked Tom (probably)
Dan picked ??? (Tom if Vezok didn’t)
There are a bunch of teams we can (very likely) eliminate.
Tom asked shadow to join him on a wagon and shadow did so. I think scum shadow would have been more reserved about doing so immediately.
And I confirm I picked tom.
Since you've confirmed this, can you also talk about why you town read Tom so heavily? And also go over your Dan read since you didn't explain that. Why do you think scum Shadow would have been more reserved?
Me and shadow wagoning together for no reason is not alignment indicative for either of us in any way.
We probably didn't even need the neighborhood to do it.
Me and shadow wagoning together for no reason is not alignment indicative for either of us in any way.
We probably didn't even need the neighborhood to do it.
So how do you feel about vezok using it a clear for shadow?
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I think we should claim all of our chats now, I’m building teams and think it’s useful info to have out in the open now.
@Rod: don’t be disappointed, I told you I was chatting with Tom pretty immediately too.
I understand, but the i. Game mindset is percieved to be way different. Like, you know, saying something you didnt mean.
Kind of like something scum would do.
I never said anything I didn’t mean. I was on board for chats being openly claimed before the end of day one since the beginning. In private, I saw no reason why I couldn’t or shouldn’t discuss any chat I had within another chat. It’s not like it’s a shared secret.
I picked Tom
Tom picked Eco
Eco picked me
Rod picked me
Bur picked eco (probably)
Vezok picked Tom (probably)
Dan picked ??? (Tom if Vezok didn’t)
There are a bunch of teams we can (very likely) eliminate.
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After spending last 4 hours on ISOing everyone here and looking at interactions, I agree with this list, except that Vezok could've picked g_d too (but that's partially since g_d has so little interactions with anyone, so he is kinda free space atm).
I'll probably dump everything here in the thread, after I'm done with analysing it.
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Me and shadow wagoning together for no reason is not alignment indicative for either of us in any way.
We probably didn't even need the neighborhood to do it.
So how do you feel about vezok using it a clear for shadow?
i think it shows remarkable misunderstanding of shadow as a player regardless of vezoks alignment
Me and shadow wagoning together for no reason is not alignment indicative for either of us in any way.
We probably didn't even need the neighborhood to do it.
So how do you feel about vezok using it a clear for shadow?
i think it shows remarkable misunderstanding of shadow as a player regardless of vezoks alignment
What about on top of his nuetral statements?
I get you are trying to put together teams, but i feel like ypu are wasting time doing that right now. Some input on vezok wouls be nice.
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I think vezok could be scum and would totally lynch him
I think that flip would pretty much clear me, so I don't need to push it
I think his most likely partners would be shadow and bur
I think vezok could be scum and would totally lynch him
I think that flip would pretty much clear me, so I don't need to push it
I think his most likely partners would be shadow and bur
How would that flip clear you?
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Um.. Low fantasy. Nuff said ♡
Can you answer my question about ahadow?
I'm trying to figure out if vezok is scum or just bad
Or, theoretically, good but that looks least likely
That's all the possibilities
Wrong town
"Wrong" scum
Right town
Bussing scum
Sigh
What info did you get about shadow joining you on your vote?
You said you got all this info and such, but fail to share it with the class. This IS a team game.
Nothing notable but I don't know that until I do it
Yes the info gained was unsatisfactory.
It's only partially your fault
Wasn't tom like.. 100% against claiming neighbors? (See his first post) Yet he then just..
Someone tell me if this indicates something?
Could be 5 if one is the scumteam (Or if I'm wrong)
Plan to do a reread soonish? But I’m like, not actually sure what I think of people so I’m reading words and not taking things in.
Yeah but you wanting to keep neighbors a secret wasn't pregame.
And they only people so far that KNEW you were gonna pick each other are.. you and shadow. So, you literally went back on what you said not 2 pages later.
Do you know who my neighbor is?
That's not cool.
I am disappointed in my neighbor.
So tom, who picked who?
How am i following the game better than you ._.?
Now that we know you and tom are attatched at the hip, csre to explain what info you wanted from bur when you asked him why he thought you were voting him? I kinda want to know what your intentions were with that one.
I am also neighbors with shadow. Shadow stated in game that he was in favor of claiming chats, just not right away.
But obviously he already claimed me to tom pretty much right away.
So.. like.. what gives?
Tom are you actually against claiming neighbors?
Shsdow did you want to discuss with me ( seeing as i was against claiming) before claiming you were neighbors with me?
Im not mad, i'm just dissapointed. /dad
But here I am POEing down who chose who
K. Whatchya got?
You?
Eco: pretty good posts. Logical. I find myself seeing what he is saying eith ease. Vezok pressure feelsgoodman.gif
Dan: i am pretty fency right now on him. His initial post led me to believe he was trying to discredit me and my read on you by saying i was wrong. But then his 142 kind of sides with me. He is leaning scum in my reads.
Shadow: not posting nearly enough. That question of "why do you think i voted you" just doesnt sit well with me. He has also done very little right now in the game for me to get a good read. Although, i don't remember ever being this uncertain about him before. Even in chat he is.. distant?
Vezok: a little panicky with ecos pressure, no depth to what little opinions he has provided. But i feel like he is at the bottom of my scumspects. He hasnt posted really since the vote so i am still trying to get a better read on him.
Bur: Bur is in this game???
Tom: Sassypants McGee. You have a bit of a mindset discrepancy. You also keep saying you sre doing things for info but aren't sharing many reads. It IS a micro, so the sooner you post your thoughts the better.
That do anything for you?
Have you even read my posts?
Yes, I am fully convinced that Eco scum would push wagonsfor bad reasons regardless of the game. He did it in an invitational. This is child's play for him.
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This is ignoring the fact that between #67 and #88 I asked multiple questions. #88 was just a continuation of my argument that the first page was not useful at all for scum hunting. You are trying to paint it as a a lack of anything.
In #124 you are arguing semantics. Obviously if I like an answer it means that it gives town points to that person. I've also responded to why I liked dan's answer just a few posts from it.
You are twisting my words and trying to paint my every action as scummy even when you fully know you are wrong. This is scum behaviour.
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The scumgame in question that vezok pulled the quote from.
Vezok, why did you pull the quote and not aay what game it was so we can all look at it.
Eco, same question with an addon: how the hell did you remember what game let alone know which one was talkog about?
This may be nai, but it could also be tinfoil scum on scum sexytimes.
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You are correct, you did ask some questions. However, one (#74) was just clarification that didn't go anywhere. #87 looks really weird: it's a very serious post, but that's out of proportion for the best it's asking about. There's a lot of aggression for someone asking "how do you know when you'll need to adjust your play?". For all the seriousness of the post, it's also surprising that you never followed up on Shadow's response in #92.
RE: #124: well that's good then! Be explicit in your reads and we'll have fewer misunderstandings.
Perhaps I am being unfair, you have done more than nothing. But I can't really see any analysis from you: what are your reads right now? They don't have to be world beaters, I just want some evidence that you're trying to work out who's scum (apart from me obviously).
I could probably give you a summary of any mafia game I've played in my coming-up-to-ten year career. The Invitational was recent and seared onto my memory as an unpleasant experience, so I remember that in detail. Also I clicked the arrow as Vezok said to check the context.
Here's my read list right now
Town
Tom
Shadow
dan
Rodemy
Neutral
Bur
Eco
Scum
Bur is just below the neutral line. Too few posts to make anything solid out of it and what's there isn't really good.
Rodemy, dan and shadow are about equal, but in that exact order although these aren't high confidence reads. I'm liking the questions Rodemy is asking. Seems to show a desire to solve the game. He's acting differently than Pirates mafia, but in a good way.
Shadow is nostly a gut read, but I like where his mind was with the Bur vote.
Tom is town cause I say so.
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Joins rodemy/shadow as least likely team
Also don't think it's vezok/Dan, eco/shadow, or rod/vezok
Which would be 5 down, 10 to go
Kinda want to make a rainbow wall of 2 man teams at some point
@Rod: don’t be disappointed, I told you I was chatting with Tom pretty immediately too.
I understand, but the i. Game mindset is percieved to be way different. Like, you know, saying something you didnt mean.
Kind of like something scum would do.
Shadow hasnt said where his mind was with the bur vote. How can you like something that isnt there?
I picked Tom
Tom picked Eco
Eco picked me
Rod picked me
Bur picked eco (probably)
Vezok picked Tom (probably)
Dan picked ??? (Tom if Vezok didn’t)
There are a bunch of teams we can (very likely) eliminate.
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Tom asked shadow to join him on a wagon and shadow did so. I think scum shadow would have been more reserved about doing so immediately.
And I confirm I picked tom.
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Since you've confirmed this, can you also talk about why you town read Tom so heavily? And also go over your Dan read since you didn't explain that. Why do you think scum Shadow would have been more reserved?
ScumShadow gets a free pass to blind vote. I don't see your logic here.
We probably didn't even need the neighborhood to do it.
So how do you feel about vezok using it a clear for shadow?
After spending last 4 hours on ISOing everyone here and looking at interactions, I agree with this list, except that Vezok could've picked g_d too (but that's partially since g_d has so little interactions with anyone, so he is kinda free space atm).
I'll probably dump everything here in the thread, after I'm done with analysing it.
I need to head to bed anyways now, I have 6½ hours till alarm... >_>
Anything you've got man I'm hungry
What about on top of his nuetral statements?
I get you are trying to put together teams, but i feel like ypu are wasting time doing that right now. Some input on vezok wouls be nice.
I think vezok could be scum and would totally lynch him
I think that flip would pretty much clear me, so I don't need to push it
I think his most likely partners would be shadow and bur
How would that flip clear you?
If you want me to believe it, then yes. ♡
Then tell me the opposite if what you want me to believe *wavey arms*
But really, i see no correlation between you and vezok, so how his flip would clear you is lost on me.