If you don't believe that using engagement towards the game is a reliable way to read you, then what do you think is the best way for people to read/sort you, shadow?
I don’t think there is a “reliable” way to read me. The “best” way to do it is probably mechanically; I was tracked to the kill in Zero escape and that’s ultimately what lead to my death, but even that’s dangerous (see Overwatch).
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And.. in those posts that I'm quoting of Togs's, he is actively trying to work to sort people and get discussion moving/trying to talk with people. I'm not really seeing how he's exactly "floating". I do want him to post more though.
I the we must have different standards for Atog/what it looks like to get things moving, because that’s now really how I see it.
At the very least I want him to post or replace out already.
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Top three scum reads and why please.
Sure but you're now explicitly town reading him. And my question really wasn't about you scum reading him just how you went from not town reading him for that to top town read. Before him being more relaxed wasn't a town tell but now being natural is? But you also haven't changed your mind?
Sure but you're now explicitly town reading him. And my question really wasn't about you scum reading him just how you went from not town reading him for that to top town read. Before him being more relaxed wasn't a town tell but now being natural is? But you also haven't changed your mind?
Vote: tomsloger
@Grape, point me to Tom saying he wasn’t town reading Last in the past. I just skimmed through his Iso and I’m pretty sure that his rainbow wall is the first time he actually gives any read on Last whatsoever.
Also, I had a fun thought, since people seem to think I’m lying about my funds (which, I’m not sure why I would even lie about that in the first place when it would essentially lock me out of spending my money) I’d be willing to bid 2 silver on one of the items currently at 1 and then have my bid reversed due to not having the funds. (This somewhat depends on what an auction strike actually entails, I’m currently asking).
@tom I don't know how you go from saying wisp is being more relaxed than you've seen him (presumably to get me to stop spamming about how bad KJ's read is by seconding him) but that doesn't indicate that Wisp is town to having Wisp at the top of your rainbow wall for being natural and reminding you of you in mashes.
@Shadow see 770 and 771 and compare them to his read of wisp in the rainbow wall.
Those two things aren't related, and I'm moderately curious how you think they are
Now that I’ve reread the context, he did ask if you thought that last being relaxed made him town and you answered “no”, so it’s at least kind of related.
Those two things aren't related, and I'm moderately curious how you think they are
I asked you if Last being more relaxed this game in your opinion gave you insight to him being town. You said no. Now he's among your top town reads and probably top since you led with him and that's how you tend to organize these rainbow walls. And the two reasons provided are feeling natural and reminding you of you. You are famously relaxed and the play style you describe being reminded of ("sitting back and commenting on what he thinks is important") evokes the word relaxed. And while not directly synonymous natural and relaxed are pretty complimentary adjectives. Lots of room for overlap between the two.
I wasn't reading properly, but I still want to know which posts gave you that vibe. The past 3 games I've played with last he's tunneled, he's stood out, and "sitting back and commenting" doesn't seem like the main thing he'd be known for in a game as town.
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No, you’re not being clear. So enlighten me please.
You said “Last is more relaxed than I’ve ever seen him and it’s not even close”
Grape asked if that made him townie
You said “No.”
Then you post a rainbow wall, he’s at the top, and the reason you lead with is “I like the way he’s just sitting back and commenting on what he thinks is important.”
Is that not synonymous with him being relaxed? Was your first answer to Grape just reactionary? I’m just not following you at all here.
This isn’t hard. If you legit contradicted yourself then own it. If Grape and I are wrong, then explain what you actually meant. Because right now I don’t understand how you don’t get the confusion here.
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Top three scum reads and why please.
I got a better question... if I dont give you my top 3 scum reads, what does that mean to you?
and I am voting Rhand, because I dont particularly like how focuses soley on people who vote him, or when he deems that someone's "votes are bad"...
Re From my meta records, relaxed last is not indicative of town!last. Like, at all.
Those who are townreading last, which posts in particular give you that vibe?
(Sorry if it's been done, I forgot.)
TBH, idk why anyone would want to town read a lurker, and even if they were gunna use meta, particularly the people from MTGS, then this game is nothing like my ZE game... but I also think u are wrong by focusing on my "meta", cause you wont find anything there, I mean if you think im scum for my tone or how I'm playing this game, then so be it...
I wasn't reading properly, but I still want to know which posts gave you that vibe. The past 3 games I've played with last he's tunneled, he's stood out, and "sitting back and commenting" doesn't seem like the main thing he'd be known for in a game as town.
When it comes to how active I am, neither meta nor alignment play any indication. The only reason I was particularity super tunnely last game was because, in a game with so much wine (more wine than usual for a mafia game), people were using wine to clear people, and it was the most frustrating thing...
Tom Is the contradiction that I don't think his new playstyle is inherently towny therefore I can't think he's playing towny?
Also natural and relaxed aren't even close to the same thing in mafia terms and aren't being used to describe the same thing anyway
And frankly I don't see how it would be scummy even if it was a contradiction
Town: Last/iso/proph/joe
I mean if its any consulation, last game, tom scum read me into oblivion and he was scum, so maybe hes town, despite the contradiction?? but again, if I make a contradiction in, I just admit fault... so meh
Rhand I think Wuffles is scum.
@Wuffles: why do I go from town to no read for lurking but Proph remains your biggest town read?
IMO, there is no reason to town read you, and it irks me that u just want to focus on people that scum read you...
I think you guys refer to it as "shade"?
Popping in to say I'm off today and will do stuff at a later time. Debating on a full reread for context purposes. Also I can't remember who replaced who do all thses opinions I'm forming feels disconnected from my previous ones.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I looked around, bewildered. The suspicion I'd expressed was being brushed off by too many. I locked eyes again with the subject of my concern. Was it triumph I saw there, or just pride?
I maintain that dawningbluesky is suspicious and that the foray into describing their own skill at beguilement feels to me like just a screen, to cover for their reaction. But I have had too many experiences in the past where, locking onto a single clue, I would shout into the void and be unheard by my fellow citizens. I will not waste further time here for the moment.
For those who are not voting for anyone - why not?
The disagreement among Grapefruit, Shadow and Tom interests me, but I am not going to comment yet, as I wish to see how it evolves.
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Re From my meta records, relaxed last is not indicative of town!last. Like, at all.
Those who are townreading last, which posts in particular give you that vibe?
(Sorry if it's been done, I forgot.)
TBH, idk why anyone would want to town read a lurker, and even if they were gunna use meta, particularly the people from MTGS, then this game is nothing like my ZE game... but I also think u are wrong by focusing on my "meta", cause you wont find anything there, I mean if you think im scum for my tone or how I'm playing this game, then so be it...
I wasn't reading properly, but I still want to know which posts gave you that vibe. The past 3 games I've played with last he's tunneled, he's stood out, and "sitting back and commenting" doesn't seem like the main thing he'd be known for in a game as town.
When it comes to how active I am, neither meta nor alignment play any indication. The only reason I was particularity super tunnely last game was because, in a game with so much wine (more wine than usual for a mafia game), people were using wine to clear people, and it was the most frustrating thing...
I'm not reading you on meta. You're mostly in neutral territory, though on the lower end. I never mentioned tone, and I try very hard not to read people off of it. The content you've provided isn't very townie or scummy, is all, and the contrast with your town!meta, while possibly an outlier, isn't a great look.
You tunneled logic strongly in that game (well, day 1), and I townread you for it (even though we were both wrong about him). I'm not seeing the same conviction here, though you can't always have strong reads.
Also, it's interesting you call yourself a lurker.
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RE Also, it's interesting you call yourself a lurker. Well what would you call what I am doing? Reading and barely posting?
Rhand @Last: You’re the one throwing shade. Wuffles doesn’t call me scum. And I DBS omgus’ed me, not the other way around.
hmm, ok saying scum reading you was a bad choice of wording, but u dont like that hes not town reading u for the same reason as another.. so meh
and how am I throwing shade?
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ALSO!
Upon the conclusion of me rereading this whole thread, Killjoy seemed super suspicious. Yet he isn't being talked about at all. In fact several people recently posted TS lists and didn't expand on KJ at all.
Rhand? Proph? Kami? DOTA? Give me some feedback on Killjoy.
RE Also, it's interesting you call yourself a lurker. Well what would you call what I am doing? Reading and barely posting?
I don't think I would have called you a lurker. You've posted more than half the players in the game (I think?) and your replies are pretty condensed. However, if you feel like you're lurking, which can be seen as a scum sign, then it's worth noting the difference in observations.
I don't really know how to explain this better, but basically, if you recognize your own behavior as scummy, or even lurkish, then it's extreme self-consciousness, which is much more likely to come from scum. Just a tidbit I'm calling out, I don't want to pursue you for something as little as that. It's different from saying you're always scummy, since this isn't a meta read.
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I'm not getring lynched today, but I really want to see who joins my wagon.
Why are you so certain?
Vote me and find out if you are that curious.
Vezo, threatening people isn't a good look for you right now. What's up?
I kinda want people to start focusing on another wagons and as long as the wagon on me exists that seems like a slim chance. I'm also annoyed that a few people have expressed concerns with me, but haven't voted. I want to get a wagon going in order to perform analysis on it later.
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After reading Iso in Disinheritence I realised I have no idea how to accurately deduce Iso's alingment by his posts. He just seems a bit braver as town than scum, but I can't confirm that.
The only thing I've observed that points to this being scum Iso is the above reply. Town Iso doesn't say "no u", while it's almost a catchphrase for scum Iso.
I'm not convinced though and feel that Iso is better left to be solved by roles instead of analysis.
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Rhand - Curious how quickly you jumped to me being scum, just because I had cooled on you due to your sporadic posting making it harder for me to read you as explicitly town - you sure got real defensive real quick. Remember that you quoting meta or typical posting patterns/frequency means nothing to me my dude it's literally been seven years,since I was here. I'm not all up in the meta know like the hip kids seem to be.
I'm not sure if that makes you over-anxious town or paranoid scum, though, but I'll be keeping my eye on you after this.
I kinda want people to start focusing on another wagons and as long as the wagon on me exists that seems like a slim chance. I'm also annoyed that a few people have expressed concerns with me, but haven't voted. I want to get a wagon going in order to perform analysis on it later.
I have something I want to say about this post after a couple of the above players respond. This is more of a reminder to myself than anything.
Silver @Lastwhisper: This reminds you of a post you made in Zero Escape? In what way? Does that make you think he's town?
Well my post was a long the lines of, "I'm pretty sure I wont get lynched today", and I was town
but this, Vote me and find out if you are that curious. is a threat I dont like... and a town shouldnt be ok with asking for votes...
Tbh, I find it townie, and while my first impression of vez was on the scum side, after rereading him, it wasn't all bad. If vez is scum, he's pulling a stunt that will eventually get him lynched, which seems like a bad move to make on day 1.
He'll have to explain it eventually. I'm not gonna bother opening that bag because someone else will.
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Tbh, I find it townie, and while my first impression of vez was on the scum side, after rereading him, it wasn't all bad. If vez is scum, he's pulling a stunt that will eventually get him lynched, which seems like a bad move to make on day 1.
He'll have to explain it eventually. I'm not gonna bother opening that bag because someone else will.
would ur opinion be any different if he wasnt scum read before he said that? saying you think someone is still townie, and finding that something they say is totally townie... is something completely different...
Like, someone could self vote... ya maybe u still believe they are town... but that doesnt make that self vote less scummy he's pulling a stunt that will eventually get him lynched agree, but imo thats just wine, its not the most dangerous thing to do, expecially if he has a decent explanation later on for why he did it
I already said I Thought Vezok was town, why would I want to press him to claim?
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@Lastwhisper: This reminds you of a post you made in Zero Escape? In what way? Does that make you think he's town?
Well my post was a long the lines of, "I'm pretty sure I wont get lynched today", and I was town
but this, Vote me and find out if you are that curious. is a threat I dont like... and a town shouldnt be ok with asking for votes...
This reaction seems pretty scummy though honestly.
Is the contradiction that I don't think his new playstyle is inherently towny therefore I can't think he's playing towny?
Also natural and relaxed aren't even close to the same thing in mafia terms and aren't being used to describe the same thing anyway
And frankly I don't see how it would be scummy even if it was a contradiction
Throw out the word “natural”, it’s irrelevant here.
You said that him being relaxed wasn’t townie, then your top reason for town reading him is because he’s sitting back.
“Sitting back” is basically the same as “relaxed”. Do you disagree?
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I'm still over talking about this, but no my top reason for townreading him is not because he's sitting back. It's the interactions with shin I already talked about and with dawn that I don't think I did which i shorthanded as good vibes
But the secondary reason is, as I said, the way he's sitting back. Most importantly the naturalness of what he thinks is important
And literally, even if it was a contradiction it wouldn't matter because the original statement was, iirc, after me reading like 100 posts and things have changed. And, as mentioned, contradictions aren't even scummy in the first place...
So yes, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever responded to and I'm not even sure why I am
Rhand - Curious how quickly you jumped to me being scum, just because I had cooled on you due to your sporadic posting making it harder for me to read you as explicitly town - you sure got real defensive real quick. Remember that you quoting meta or typical posting patterns/frequency means nothing to me my dude it's literally been seven years,since I was here. I'm not all up in the meta know like the hip kids seem to be.
I'm not sure if that makes you over-anxious town or paranoid scum, though, but I'll be keeping my eye on you after this.
You’re completely avoiding my point. What I am accusing you of is double standards. You call Proph your strongest town read while saying I lost town credit for lurking (nothing else). Proph is lurking just as much as me.
What I think you are doing is trying to blend in by having the same reads as most of us have. The fact it is me doesn’t matter at all. I would’ve made the same observation if you were talking about someone else.
That probably means me vs DBS is a town vs town fight if you are indeed scum.
vote: Wuffles
@lastwhisper: do you really believe pushing someone because their vote is bad is not good? explain why.
@Terry: I do have KJ in my top scum reads, but he’s not posting enough to react to. I would be ok with lynching him toDay.
Tom
Town: Last/iso/proph/joe
I mean if its any consulation, last game, tom scum read me into oblivion and he was scum, so maybe hes town, despite the contradiction?? but again, if I make a contradiction in, I just admit fault... so meh
yes that's my town core
And do you think there's a contradiction (there isnt) or just saw them use the word?
Dawn I think kami is seeing some variation of "caught for the wrong reasons" and it makes sense to me except that he is missing that you've just got NAI pride in being hard to read
This part of our exchange sure makes it seem like you did.
This was the quote that led to that exchange. Doesn't feel like you were town reading him then
I've seen one game.
Only thing I'm taking from his "meta" is a vague impression of how his mind works and some opinions ive seen expressed of his scum game
At the very least I want him to post or replace out already.
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Top three scum reads and why please.
Sure but you're now explicitly town reading him. And my question really wasn't about you scum reading him just how you went from not town reading him for that to top town read. Before him being more relaxed wasn't a town tell but now being natural is? But you also haven't changed your mind?
Vote: tomsloger
I don't even know what you're talking about you're welcome to read my posts about him
Or just die on this hill
@Shadow see 770 and 771 and compare them to his read of wisp in the rainbow wall.
Those who are townreading last, which posts in particular give you that vibe?
(Sorry if it's been done, I forgot.)
I asked you if Last being more relaxed this game in your opinion gave you insight to him being town. You said no. Now he's among your top town reads and probably top since you led with him and that's how you tend to organize these rainbow walls. And the two reasons provided are feeling natural and reminding you of you. You are famously relaxed and the play style you describe being reminded of ("sitting back and commenting on what he thinks is important") evokes the word relaxed. And while not directly synonymous natural and relaxed are pretty complimentary adjectives. Lots of room for overlap between the two.
Do neither of y'all read the full sentence?
Am I the one not be clear?
@Wuffles: why do I go from town to no read for lurking but Proph remains your biggest town read?
(for the ones who don’t know me: my job automatically gives me periods of lurking in each game I play)
I have more thoughts on this but they can wait.
You said “Last is more relaxed than I’ve ever seen him and it’s not even close”
Grape asked if that made him townie
You said “No.”
Then you post a rainbow wall, he’s at the top, and the reason you lead with is “I like the way he’s just sitting back and commenting on what he thinks is important.”
Is that not synonymous with him being relaxed? Was your first answer to Grape just reactionary? I’m just not following you at all here.
This isn’t hard. If you legit contradicted yourself then own it. If Grape and I are wrong, then explain what you actually meant. Because right now I don’t understand how you don’t get the confusion here.
Also natural and relaxed aren't even close to the same thing in mafia terms and aren't being used to describe the same thing anyway
And frankly I don't see how it would be scummy even if it was a contradiction
You said that him being relaxed wasn’t townie, then your top reason for town reading him is because he’s sitting back.
“Sitting back” is basically the same as “relaxed”. Do you disagree?
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Top three scum reads and why please.
I got a better question... if I dont give you my top 3 scum reads, what does that mean to you?
and I am voting Rhand, because I dont particularly like how focuses soley on people who vote him, or when he deems that someone's "votes are bad"...
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From my meta records, relaxed last is not indicative of town!last. Like, at all.
Those who are townreading last, which posts in particular give you that vibe?
(Sorry if it's been done, I forgot.)
TBH, idk why anyone would want to town read a lurker, and even if they were gunna use meta, particularly the people from MTGS, then this game is nothing like my ZE game... but I also think u are wrong by focusing on my "meta", cause you wont find anything there, I mean if you think im scum for my tone or how I'm playing this game, then so be it...
I wasn't reading properly, but I still want to know which posts gave you that vibe. The past 3 games I've played with last he's tunneled, he's stood out, and "sitting back and commenting" doesn't seem like the main thing he'd be known for in a game as town.
When it comes to how active I am, neither meta nor alignment play any indication. The only reason I was particularity super tunnely last game was because, in a game with so much wine (more wine than usual for a mafia game), people were using wine to clear people, and it was the most frustrating thing...
Tom
Is the contradiction that I don't think his new playstyle is inherently towny therefore I can't think he's playing towny?
Also natural and relaxed aren't even close to the same thing in mafia terms and aren't being used to describe the same thing anyway
And frankly I don't see how it would be scummy even if it was a contradiction
Town: Last/iso/proph/joe
I mean if its any consulation, last game, tom scum read me into oblivion and he was scum, so maybe hes town, despite the contradiction?? but again, if I make a contradiction in, I just admit fault... so meh
Rhand
I think Wuffles is scum.
@Wuffles: why do I go from town to no read for lurking but Proph remains your biggest town read?
IMO, there is no reason to town read you, and it irks me that u just want to focus on people that scum read you...
I think you guys refer to it as "shade"?
I maintain that dawningbluesky is suspicious and that the foray into describing their own skill at beguilement feels to me like just a screen, to cover for their reaction. But I have had too many experiences in the past where, locking onto a single clue, I would shout into the void and be unheard by my fellow citizens. I will not waste further time here for the moment.
For those who are not voting for anyone - why not?
The disagreement among Grapefruit, Shadow and Tom interests me, but I am not going to comment yet, as I wish to see how it evolves.
Why are you so certain?
I'm not reading you on meta. You're mostly in neutral territory, though on the lower end. I never mentioned tone, and I try very hard not to read people off of it. The content you've provided isn't very townie or scummy, is all, and the contrast with your town!meta, while possibly an outlier, isn't a great look.
You tunneled logic strongly in that game (well, day 1), and I townread you for it (even though we were both wrong about him). I'm not seeing the same conviction here, though you can't always have strong reads.
Also, it's interesting you call yourself a lurker.
Vote me and find out if you are that curious.
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Also, it's interesting you call yourself a lurker. Well what would you call what I am doing? Reading and barely posting?
Rhand
@Last: You’re the one throwing shade. Wuffles doesn’t call me scum. And I DBS omgus’ed me, not the other way around.
hmm, ok saying scum reading you was a bad choice of wording, but u dont like that hes not town reading u for the same reason as another.. so meh
and how am I throwing shade?
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Upon the conclusion of me rereading this whole thread, Killjoy seemed super suspicious. Yet he isn't being talked about at all. In fact several people recently posted TS lists and didn't expand on KJ at all.
Rhand? Proph? Kami? DOTA? Give me some feedback on Killjoy.
I don't think I would have called you a lurker. You've posted more than half the players in the game (I think?) and your replies are pretty condensed. However, if you feel like you're lurking, which can be seen as a scum sign, then it's worth noting the difference in observations.
I don't really know how to explain this better, but basically, if you recognize your own behavior as scummy, or even lurkish, then it's extreme self-consciousness, which is much more likely to come from scum. Just a tidbit I'm calling out, I don't want to pursue you for something as little as that. It's different from saying you're always scummy, since this isn't a meta read.
I kinda want people to start focusing on another wagons and as long as the wagon on me exists that seems like a slim chance. I'm also annoyed that a few people have expressed concerns with me, but haven't voted. I want to get a wagon going in order to perform analysis on it later.
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After reading Iso in Disinheritence I realised I have no idea how to accurately deduce Iso's alingment by his posts. He just seems a bit braver as town than scum, but I can't confirm that.
The only thing I've observed that points to this being scum Iso is the above reply. Town Iso doesn't say "no u", while it's almost a catchphrase for scum Iso.
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Also, I like my Iso vote even more now that he's responded to it.
I'm not sure if that makes you over-anxious town or paranoid scum, though, but I'll be keeping my eye on you after this.
I'd like your takes on this. Do you think we should open it? Leave it closed? How do you feel about magic bags in general?
@Lastwhisper: This reminds you of a post you made in Zero Escape? In what way? Does that make you think he's town?
I have something I want to say about this post after a couple of the above players respond. This is more of a reminder to myself than anything.
Because Curse is the devil's forum software sent to torment mafia players in particular.
(Really it's because the site's main focus is Magic, so software changes that only matter to us basically never happen. Development $$$ and such.)
@Lastwhisper: This reminds you of a post you made in Zero Escape? In what way? Does that make you think he's town?
Well my post was a long the lines of, "I'm pretty sure I wont get lynched today", and I was town
but this, Vote me and find out if you are that curious. is a threat I dont like... and a town shouldnt be ok with asking for votes...
He'll have to explain it eventually. I'm not gonna bother opening that bag because someone else will.
Like, someone could self vote... ya maybe u still believe they are town... but that doesnt make that self vote less scummy
he's pulling a stunt that will eventually get him lynched agree, but imo thats just wine, its not the most dangerous thing to do, expecially if he has a decent explanation later on for why he did it
This reaction seems pretty scummy though honestly.
I'm still over talking about this, but no my top reason for townreading him is not because he's sitting back. It's the interactions with shin I already talked about and with dawn that I don't think I did which i shorthanded as good vibes
But the secondary reason is, as I said, the way he's sitting back. Most importantly the naturalness of what he thinks is important
And literally, even if it was a contradiction it wouldn't matter because the original statement was, iirc, after me reading like 100 posts and things have changed. And, as mentioned, contradictions aren't even scummy in the first place...
So yes, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever responded to and I'm not even sure why I am
You’re completely avoiding my point. What I am accusing you of is double standards. You call Proph your strongest town read while saying I lost town credit for lurking (nothing else). Proph is lurking just as much as me.
What I think you are doing is trying to blend in by having the same reads as most of us have. The fact it is me doesn’t matter at all. I would’ve made the same observation if you were talking about someone else.
That probably means me vs DBS is a town vs town fight if you are indeed scum.
vote: Wuffles
@lastwhisper: do you really believe pushing someone because their vote is bad is not good? explain why.
@Terry: I do have KJ in my top scum reads, but he’s not posting enough to react to. I would be ok with lynching him toDay.
And do you think there's a contradiction (there isnt) or just saw them use the word?