I won't on my own, but the normal ways. Town reading people. Anyway since it's only the top 3 vote getting items it probably won't come to having to nominate someone to get it.
@Proph I agree that's a noble goal, but I think in a game this mechanics heavy some mechanical discussion is a must. Just not at the expense of also looking at behavior. I also missed Kami being excited in the signup thread, so that weakens my reaction to the flavor post a bit. Thought it was more spontaneous than it was.
First things first I'm already angry at whoever put a vote on the auction house logs. My main bit of pregame spec was that either we as a town refuse to bid on it and consider mass claiming if someone does, or put a late bid on it and have someone who the majority trusts buy it. I feel like that item does way way way more damage in the hands of scum then good in the hands of town.
Proposal: when that item becomes available for bidding someone trusted reveals their bid number and no one bids against them. If someone does we mass claim auction house numbers.
How is this better? The town doesn't know who is whom and the scum can randomly bid on stuff by still staying hidden and the scum knows who has the powerful items and can kill them at night. This to me sounds like the worst of both worlds.
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- I'm going to keep mechanical discussion to a limit in my posts. Obviously, it's a huge part of the game, and it's going to come up at some point. However, I find that overfocusing on mechanical discussion gives scum a smokescreen in which they can post/engage in discussion, and I don't want that. I'm just going to keep scumhunting normally and then dive into mechanical discussion when I deem it relevant.
I'd normally agree with you, but it is day 1 and we can talk about it before we start scumhunting out of RVS>
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@Vezok I think you misunderstood me. My proposal was to keep anyone from getting information. And was made at a point when I thought the logs were guaranteed to go up for auction.
I'm saying if that item does go up (and it revealing what it is doesn't change the equation) that town elects one person to bid on it. And if someone else bids against them we mass claim. Otherwise we play as normal till D3 at which point I suggest we mass claim. Preferably we should not let that item be bid on at all though. At least not early. Same with the blacklist one.
@Vezok I think you misunderstood me. My proposal was to keep anyone from getting information. And was made at a point when I thought the logs were guaranteed to go up for auction.
I'm saying if that item does go up (and it revealing what it is doesn't change the equation) that town elects one person to bid on it. And if someone else bids against them we mass claim. Otherwise we play as normal till D3 at which point I suggest we mass claim. Preferably we should not let that item be bid on at all though. At least not early. Same with the blacklist one.
I understand what you mean now. Yeah, I also thought about mass claim on day 3. This seems like the best idea unless something else happens.
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vote: Prophylaxis
It’s been way too long since I got to do that
I agree that choosing who gets what item is a bad idea. It forces us to vote for top town reads, giving scum an easy pool of hard to lynch people to kill at Night. Also, we have no idea what kind of abilities there are. For all we know scum can steal our items if they know who has them.
Why are we discussing when we’re going to massclaim? I think we should simply look at how the game progresses and massclaim when it’s useful.
I’m getting mixed feelings from Shinichi. The question if it’s ok to vote worries me bigtime, but at the same time I can’t see the claim that he knows a townie coming from scum. I think Shinichi is going to be one of those players that I can’t read and always seems scum.
@Proph: when Shinichi has answered you, please give your read on him. It bugs me that you understand Grape’s townread while at the same time you’re throwing scum-hunting questions at Shinichi.
@Rhand I'm bringing it up as an eventuality because with the underlying mechanics of this game (buying items and bidding on what comes available) are going to be key to solving it. And given that someone placed a bid on the logs I don't think that town are thinking this through ahead of time. It reeks of someone making a "hero" play valuing their position more than trying to maximize it for town.
I'm not married to a D3 mass claim, but think there will come a point where it needs to happen. It being D3 was to give us two nights of wine without giving scum too much leeway and losing too much information to NK's. If we lynch scum early though I'm very happy to kick it down the line.
@Kamikaze I want you to talk to me about my never put the logs or blacklist up for auction theory. You also seem to have put a fair amount of thought into the set up and I want your opinion on it.
Rereading what's here Shin looks townier than I remembered.
@Yurkin how would you decide if someone was trustworthy, if the game mechanics made you pick someone to trust? What does asking how I would give insight into my alignment?
@Rhand I'm bringing it up as an eventuality because with the underlying mechanics of this game (buying items and bidding on what comes available) are going to be key to solving it. And given that someone placed a bid on the logs I don't think that town are thinking this through ahead of time. It reeks of someone making a "hero" play valuing their position more than trying to maximize it for town.
I'm not married to a D3 mass claim, but think there will come a point where it needs to happen. It being D3 was to give us two nights of wine without giving scum too much leeway and losing too much information to NK's. If we lynch scum early though I'm very happy to kick it down the line.
Are you talking about a mass item claim, mass auction number claim, mass role claim or all of the above?
Talking about a massclaim/planning for when it happens is not helpful. A massclaim should happen when it needs to; and planning for it while we are still in RVS isn’t really doing us any favors.
@Grapefruit: Talk to me about your thought process; you dislike vezok’s plan, but here you are planning a mass claim for day three. How is this especially different in the grand scheme of things?
Also Vote Grapefruit you dirty pirate. (Couldn’t resist)
Looking at the auctions, I think maybe we should talk about what items we want released early.
Plant of Serenity for example sounds as if it can restore sanity without exhausting, and that’s something we probably want asap so it can restore as much as possible. I know we won’t really know what an item does before it’s up for auction, but isn’t it best to make some educated guesses to try to get the useful stuff in the game as fast as we can?
1 Auction House Logs - reveal who bought what?
2 Auction Slip - auto win an auction?
3 Auction Blacklist - block someone from the auction house?
4 Vial of Holy Water - 1-shot sanity restore?
5 Vial of Holy Water
6 Vial of Holy Water
8 Scepter of Daoloth - make someone lose sanity?
9 Headdress of the Pharaoh - governor?
10 Potion of Truth - 1-shot cop?
11 Amulet -
12 Potions of Speed - 1-shot priority boost?
13 Looking Glass - something investigative.. census maybe?
14 Mask of Azathoth -
15 Glasses of Daoloth - something investigative?
16 Staff of the Yellow King -
17 Twin Scepters - neighbour chat?
19 Money Box - money
20 Map of Other Worlds -
21 Orb of the Third Eye - watcher?
22 Cross of Focus -
23 Plant of Serenity - restore sanity?
24 Lockbox -
25 Telescope -
26 Rift of Zhar - vig? (opening a rift summons a monster)
27 Puzzle Box
Those are my guesses. I think we should go for the plant and anything that sounds investigative.
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The first hours of the meeting were a hubbub of greetings and idle chatter. A welcome distraction on most any other day, yet today it merely set me on edge, knowing that some of the smiles around me hid dark intents.
The ones called Prophylaxis and Rhand, at least, rose above that banal noise. A certain flexibility of the mind, and pointed questions. They had the air of true curiosity, reminding me of the archaeologists that had set out upon that expedition to Egypt. I could only hope they would not meet the same fate.
Grapefruit was teeming with plans. I misliked the quickness with which he began to command, yet perhaps this was just an industrious nature. His questions, at least, deserved answers.
We should not be seeking the logs of the auction house. As the purchases by the numbers are themselves public knowledge, I can only surmise that they would contain the identities of those who bid - perhaps for all numbers, but more likely just for those who have won auctions (as the auction house would need to keep a record of their addresses, for delivery). I think this should remain secret, for the same reason that I prefer we maintain secrecy in our auction numbers.
The blacklist, I suspect, would be a permit to ban someone from the Auction House - temporarily or entirely - and may be useful in future, but it is too early to make use of it.
I am also wary of several of the items listed. Simply from the name, they strike me as too dangerous to be used. In my research at the Miskatonic University Library, I came upon some of the names that are present here. Surely no good can come of any relic of the Yellow King, to say nothing of the danger of associating with the dread daemon sultan - and you may call me superstitious if you wish, but I will not say his name here; I will simply say that a Mask with that name is on the rolls. Better to let it rot in a forgotten warehouse, I would say.
As for the others, no ill can come of Holy Water or a Cross; and I think it would be safe to have such mundane things as a puzzle-box, a telescope, and so forth.
I can confirm the knowledge that I know someone in this game is town by default and their auction number but its to early for me to tell who that is
If true, my friend, I fear you may already have said too much; for there are things that lurk behind the walls, and hear what is said. Rat-like things with faces grotesquely reminiscent of the human form, they report to masters who care not for the laws of man; and if you possess such knowledge as could shed light on our dilemma, they will assuredly seek to silence you, to keep us in the dark.
Its not like it matters who since i dont think we will know what an item does until it is bought from the auction house and I think only that player would know.
I entreat you to review the bylaws of the Auction House, in which it is said:
The entire ability text will be readable by players..
Thus each object shall be analyzed by experts, and its properties shall be revealed to all, when it is placed on the block; and it is a certainty that these objects will grant powers both wondrous and, in some cases, unnatural, such as might dwarf the limitations and skills of humanity. Thus anyone who knew what we possessed could know much of our potential power, and could turn that to nefarious ends - either to prepare for our efforts to halt the menace in this town, or to slay those who are best-armed, or perhaps even - and here I speculate - to catch us in some forsaken back-alley and rob us of our possessions.
Wow, I kind of want to leave Kami completely off my radar because of his role playing! I'm not going to, but definitely have enjoyed it so far.
Looking at the auctions, I think maybe we should talk about what items we want released early.
Plant of Serenity for example sounds as if it can restore sanity without exhausting, and that’s something we probably want asap so it can restore as much as possible. I know we won’t really know what an item does before it’s up for auction, but isn’t it best to make some educated guesses to try to get the useful stuff in the game as fast as we can?
I find this to be a pointless waste of time. We only know what one item does, the rest is useless speculation.
shinichi-kun, don't get how acting different in rvs makes you scum. You can't expect people to act the same way in each and every game haha. So calling in policy voting is rather fun.
/btw the posting box here is great.
PRob an off beat way to play the game and possibily stupid but by default people tend to follow the norm so if that doesnt happen something is normally up.
And Vezok is a semi RVS. I strongly disagree with his proposal and think it's slightly anti-town, but I know I disagree with him on how best to handle mechanics fairly often so it's hard to discern his alignment from that disagreement.
I suspect it's either a list of all item abilities or a list of everything that will later be revealed for auction. And the blacklist one I suspect has something to do with secret items. Either way they both seem to be items that would primarily provide information about other items and that is not something I want the scum team to get their hands on.
And I don't currently believe the person who voted for it is scum. Could very easily be someone naively wanting a list and not realizing how much more valuable that is in an organized team's hand then in one random person's hands. Either way I think it's hurting town to have that item go up for auction. I might be completely off base (this is pure speculation after all) but the downside potential is really high.
And yeah that is completely different to my definition of policy voting. Policy voting (to me) is voting for someone because you want them out of the game regardless of alignment. For example shadow policy votes people for self voting regardless of his alignment or what he believes their alignment to be.
What makes you think a scum aligned player voted for it, thats kind of a bold statement don't you think. I agree though on your analysis of the items, and if there are secret items i am slighly worried about their stength.
Nvm you believe they aren't scum I read into that wrong, your still making a very bold assessment seeing as how the items power has yet to be revealed. I mean u could easily be scum argueing this exact reasoning so you could snatch it.I think aslong as the described item is in towns hands it will be fine aslong as commuincation is involved.
Oh thats just wrong, thats the equivalent of game throwing at that point.
Looking at the auctions, I think maybe we should talk about what items we want released early.
Plant of Serenity for example sounds as if it can restore sanity without exhausting, and that’s something we probably want asap so it can restore as much as possible. I know we won’t really know what an item does before it’s up for auction, but isn’t it best to make some educated guesses to try to get the useful stuff in the game as fast as we can?
I find this to be a pointless waste of time. We only know what one item does, the rest is useless speculation.
Eh wut
If you really think that item mames say nothing, then why would the auction mechanic of voting on items exist in the first place?
Looking at the auctions, I think maybe we should talk about what items we want released early.
Plant of Serenity for example sounds as if it can restore sanity without exhausting, and that’s something we probably want asap so it can restore as much as possible. I know we won’t really know what an item does before it’s up for auction, but isn’t it best to make some educated guesses to try to get the useful stuff in the game as fast as we can?
I find this to be a pointless waste of time. We only know what one item does, the rest is useless speculation.
Eh wut
If you really think that item mames say nothing, then why would the auction mechanic of voting on items exist in the first place?
I think the point is that the items are supposed to be like supplemental abilities that cost sanity and you're supposed to use them like you would a standard role ability and that they should be treated with the same level of secrecy. I mean would you have guessed:
18 Ruby of R'lyeh
Day Action — Pay 2 Sanity. Abilities you use tonight gain the highest priority. Breaks after two uses.(Does not effect Factional)
I don't think so, so why are you wasting our time speculating instead of hunting for scum?
Looking at the auctions, I think maybe we should talk about what items we want released early.
Plant of Serenity for example sounds as if it can restore sanity without exhausting, and that’s something we probably want asap so it can restore as much as possible. I know we won’t really know what an item does before it’s up for auction, but isn’t it best to make some educated guesses to try to get the useful stuff in the game as fast as we can?
I find this to be a pointless waste of time. We only know what one item does, the rest is useless speculation.
Eh wut
If you really think that item mames say nothing, then why would the auction mechanic of voting on items exist in the first place?
I think the point is that the items are supposed to be like supplemental abilities that cost sanity and you're supposed to use them like you would a standard role ability and that they should be treated with the same level of secrecy. I mean would you have guessed:
18 Ruby of R'lyeh
Day Action — Pay 2 Sanity. Abilities you use tonight gain the highest priority. Breaks after two uses.(Does not effect Factional)
I don't think so, so why are you wasting our time speculating instead of hunting for scum?
I think this post comes from town terry, but I don't really agree with it. If an item is called Bandage, we could probably speculate that it's a healing item while if an item is called The Twisted Spoon of Ygdrassill it would be pretty useless to speculate on it.
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18 Ruby of R'lyeh
Day Action — Pay 2 Sanity. Abilities you use tonight gain the highest priority. Breaks after two uses.(Does not effect Factional)
I don't think so, so why are you wasting our time speculating instead of hunting for scum?
My dear fellow, you may be well served by a visit to the library. Those who know where to look would easily expect the Ruby of R'lyeh to grant inhuman speed.
Any conversation can be of use, if you're willing to look hard enough. Why, I had a conversation just the other day that ostensibly touched simply on matters of physics, but soon revealed a great deal regarding my companion's moral convictions. In a time such as this, you must be willing to look beyond what is said, and think on the motives revealed.
But let us say you're right and that there is nothing fruitful here; what, then, would you discuss? Have you yet spotted anything suspicious in our fellow citizens? If not, how do you propose to find it?
- I'm going to keep mechanical discussion to a limit in my posts. Obviously, it's a huge part of the game, and it's going to come up at some point. However, I find that overfocusing on mechanical discussion gives scum a smokescreen in which they can post/engage in discussion, and I don't want that. I'm just going to keep scumhunting normally and then dive into mechanical discussion when I deem it relevant.
- Not a fan of vezok's idea because I feel like that pushes a lot of information into the public which the scum can potentially manipulate, and I don't want to spend the entire Day deciding who gets X item when we can literally just figure out who the bad guys are and lynch them.
@Shinichi: Why do you have to ask for permission to vote for someone? It's RVS; let the votes fly?
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its very relevant because if u had voted anyone other than gwen as ur rvs i would have assumed ur scum together by lynching u first.
What do you mean by this? If Last voted anyone other than Gwendolly for his RVS vote, you would have assumed that Last is scum? Why?
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Because it would have been evident ur scum together if u didnt rvs the same person u do every game.
So if Last didn't vote Gwendolly for his RVS vote, you would have assumed that Gwendolly + Lastwhisper would have been scum together? Would appreciate clarification here.
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Can understand the Shinichi one, but can you try to explain the Kami one? I just see.. creative roleplaying which is cool but not really sure if it's alignment indicative when Kami was pretty excited for this game to start in sign-ups.
I feel like vezok idea doesnt need to come from scum nor do we have the information to suggest I am sure someone would have brought it up just like someone always brings up massclaiming its inevitable. I feel like its best to get the mechanics talk out of the way so everyone understands the auction and how we're going to go about using it. Since scum will clearly want in one what gets given out and will def fight for stuff.
They don't, but its like if people want to follow norms expect that me or others moight scum read them from the fact that they're branching out is all. Not entirely just assumed his scum, but i would def be pushing him so much harder if that was the case. I would have assumed last was scum and if he had flipped scum either he manipulated me or gwen is scum with him.
I agree that we shouldn't focus too much on mechanics, as tempting as it is for this setup. Proph/Grapes looking good in that regard.
Shinichi vs Last is coming off as town to me. I know some players like to rvs certain people as a gimmick, but it isn't close to policy.
also, to my definition, policy means lynching someone cuz you know they are more helpful to town dead than alive (because of playstyle, or other). policy voting is voting someone regardless of their alignment, because an action taken looks unhelpful to town. gimmick voting is different.
I don't like Vezok's constant focus on mechanics. the least he could do was use that to fish reactions, then question the players why they react that way. like #80 ("I think this post comes from town terry, but I don't really agree with it.") looks good at first, but it goes into more mechanics talk rather than questioning Terry for the whys of his post.
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I feel like vezok idea doesnt need to come from scum nor do we have the information to suggest I am sure someone would have brought it up just like someone always brings up massclaiming its inevitable. I feel like its best to get the mechanics talk out of the way so everyone understands the auction and how we're going to go about using it. Since scum will clearly want in one what gets given out and will def fight for stuff.
They don't, but its like if people want to follow norms expect that me or others moight scum read them from the fact that they're branching out is all. Not entirely just assumed his scum, but i would def be pushing him so much harder if that was the case. I would have assumed last was scum and if he had flipped scum either he manipulated me or gwen is scum with him.
Can you rewrite this post? I'm having a hard time understand what you meant.
I agree that we shouldn't focus too much on mechanics, as tempting as it is for this setup. Proph/Grapes looking good in that regard.
Shinichi vs Last is coming off as town to me. I know some players like to rvs certain people as a gimmick, but it isn't close to policy.
also, to my definition, policy means lynching someone cuz you know they are more helpful to town dead than alive (because of playstyle, or other). policy voting is voting someone regardless of their alignment, because an action taken looks unhelpful to town. gimmick voting is different.
I don't like Vezok's constant focus on mechanics. the least he could do was use that to fish reactions, then question the players why they react that way. like #80 ("I think this post comes from town terry, but I don't really agree with it.") looks good at first, but it goes into more mechanics talk rather than questioning Terry for the whys of his post.
I mostly play mafia for the mechanics. This game has a ton of different ones and I started the discussion about them, because I'm really interested in how other people want to approach this game. I will point out what posts I feel are notable in determining the alignment of someone, but up until now there hasn't been much.
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I agree that we shouldn't focus too much on mechanics, as tempting as it is for this setup. Proph/Grapes looking good in that regard.
Shinichi vs Last is coming off as town to me. I know some players like to rvs certain people as a gimmick, but it isn't close to policy.
also, to my definition, policy means lynching someone cuz you know they are more helpful to town dead than alive (because of playstyle, or other). policy voting is voting someone regardless of their alignment, because an action taken looks unhelpful to town. gimmick voting is different.
I don't like Vezok's constant focus on mechanics. the least he could do was use that to fish reactions, then question the players why they react that way. like #80 ("I think this post comes from town terry, but I don't really agree with it.") looks good at first, but it goes into more mechanics talk rather than questioning Terry for the whys of his post.
I mostly play mafia for the mechanics. This game has a ton of different ones and I started the discussion about them, because I'm really interested in how other people want to approach this game. I will point out what posts I feel are notable in determining the alignment of someone, but up until now there hasn't been much.
hmm you're a mechanical player? don't really remember if you were mechanical in previous games. but if that's the case, I guess it's in your capabilities as town. I'll look elsewhere.
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I see no real benefit into this, atleast not yet. Its way to early for me to decide if claiming auction numbers helps or hinders town. I can confirm the knowledge that I know someone in this game is town by default and their auction number but its to early for me to tell who that is
Two soft claims before we've even hit the end of page one? Keep it your pants people! @Atog/@Shinichi: Without giving more info away, why did you feel it necessary to post the above?
Ok nvm then, if thats the case it may be beneficial to reveal auction numbers thought I still do believe we should wait until its proven that revealing said numbers is advantageous to town.
Well I mean i have 3 weeks to decide if that information is worth giving or not, and if anything unless there is some sort of day 1 day killing vigilante it should be fine. I would still rather wait till later into the day phase to decide what type of information is worth being given and if it will help catch scum.
Also prob should read into the auction some more, it seems i missed obvious stuff.
First things first I'm already angry at whoever put a vote on the auction house logs. My main bit of pregame spec was that either we as a town refuse to bid on it and consider mass claiming if someone does, or put a late bid on it and have someone who the majority trusts buy it. I feel like that item does way way way more damage in the hands of scum then good in the hands of town.
Proposal: when that item becomes available for bidding someone trusted reveals their bid number and no one bids against them. If someone does we mass claim auction house numbers.
Don't agree with VeOk's idea. It's essentially similar to just mass claiming on Day 1. Too easy for scum to pick targets.
Unless you thinking numbers have something to do with alignment I dont see how its even slighyl similar to mass claiming, since our numbers wont give away much information on abilities or anything else for that matter.
@Shin and Wisp I don't think policy vote means the same thing here that you think it means. Either that or you two really shouldn't be playing together.
@Terry <3 you too. A golden sarchophagus wouldn't be the worst way to go out, but I feel like I'd want something more humble. Maybe mortared into a wall of the crypts under the church cask of amontillado style.
Vote: Vezok I don't think a mass claim D1 helps us at all. I think D3 might be a good idea though. Let scum sweat the wine for a couple nights (and feel like they either have to do non provable things or appear town aligned) knowing they'll have to claim soon.
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Hi
I actually agree to that proposal
Also u make it sound like you think the person who asked for the logs is scum? Or are u just speaking in general terms.
Policy voting is something i expect people to do every time they play because they're just choosing to get read wrong if they try toa ct differently. You are prob right in that policy lynching may be different on this site.You think hes scum or atleast scummy for suggesting that plan? Or is that vote stickly rvs.
Two questions:
1) In post #33 you appear to be in favour of a Day 1 claim, even after it's pointed out that the item powers are made public, but then in post #47 you prefer Grape's idea. So which is it? And why phrase it that way, "I actually agree"?
2) Grape never quoted me, so why was my RVS vote and comment on Vezoks idea thrown in there?
I suspect it's either a list of all item abilities or a list of everything that will later be revealed for auction. And the blacklist one I suspect has something to do with secret items. Either way they both seem to be items that would primarily provide information about other items and that is not something I want the scum team to get their hands on.
And I don't currently believe the person who voted for it is scum. Could very easily be someone naively wanting a list and not realizing how much more valuable that is in an organized team's hand then in one random person's hands. Either way I think it's hurting town to have that item go up for auction. I might be completely off base (this is pure speculation after all) but the downside potential is really high.
I don't like that bolded part, there is only one organised team in any game of Mafia... You yourself know how much damage scum can do when they blend in well enough (promised myself I wouldn't mention Pirates but it's kinda hard not to ) Why phrase it like that?
- Not a fan of vezok's idea because I feel like that pushes a lot of information into the public which the scum can potentially manipulate, and I don't want to spend the entire Day deciding who gets X item when we can literally just figure out who the bad guys are and lynch them.
I agree that it's a bad idea to claim it so early, but there have been games where deciding and debating on actions/items as a group have been the deciding factor in town winning (see the final Days of Mafia vs Werewolves). Are you entirely opposed to the idea of a group decision or do you think it could be worthwhile later in the game?
@Vezok I think you misunderstood me. My proposal was to keep anyone from getting information. And was made at a point when I thought the logs were guaranteed to go up for auction.
I'm saying if that item does go up (and it revealing what it is doesn't change the equation) that town elects one person to bid on it. And if someone else bids against them we mass claim. Otherwise we play as normal till D3 at which point I suggest we mass claim. Preferably we should not let that item be bid on at all though. At least not early. Same with the blacklist one.
@Vezok I think you misunderstood me. My proposal was to keep anyone from getting information. And was made at a point when I thought the logs were guaranteed to go up for auction.
I'm saying if that item does go up (and it revealing what it is doesn't change the equation) that town elects one person to bid on it. And if someone else bids against them we mass claim. Otherwise we play as normal till D3 at which point I suggest we mass claim. Preferably we should not let that item be bid on at all though. At least not early. Same with the blacklist one.
I understand what you mean now. Yeah, I also thought about mass claim on day 3. This seems like the best idea unless something else happens.
I'm not married to a D3 mass claim, but think there will come a point where it needs to happen. It being D3 was to give us two nights of wine without giving scum too much leeway and losing too much information to NK's. If we lynch scum early though I'm very happy to kick it down the line.
Vote: Grape
Vezok claims to have also been considering Day 3 and then you're "not married to the idea"? Doesn't gel with your earlier posts.
The first hours of the meeting were a hubbub of greetings and idle chatter. A welcome distraction on most any other day, yet today it merely set me on edge, knowing that some of the smiles around me hid dark intents.
The ones called Prophylaxis and Rhand, at least, rose above that banal noise. A certain flexibility of the mind, and pointed questions. They had the air of true curiosity, reminding me of the archaeologists that had set out upon that expedition to Egypt. I could only hope they would not meet the same fate.
Grapefruit was teeming with plans. I misliked the quickness with which he began to command, yet perhaps this was just an industrious nature. His questions, at least, deserved answers.
We should not be seeking the logs of the auction house. As the purchases by the numbers are themselves public knowledge, I can only surmise that they would contain the identities of those who bid - perhaps for all numbers, but more likely just for those who have won auctions (as the auction house would need to keep a record of their addresses, for delivery). I think this should remain secret, for the same reason that I prefer we maintain secrecy in our auction numbers.
The blacklist, I suspect, would be a permit to ban someone from the Auction House - temporarily or entirely - and may be useful in future, but it is too early to make use of it.
I am also wary of several of the items listed. Simply from the name, they strike me as too dangerous to be used. In my research at the Miskatonic University Library, I came upon some of the names that are present here. Surely no good can come of any relic of the Yellow King, to say nothing of the danger of associating with the dread daemon sultan - and you may call me superstitious if you wish, but I will not say his name here; I will simply say that a Mask with that name is on the rolls. Better to let it rot in a forgotten warehouse, I would say.
As for the others, no ill can come of Holy Water or a Cross; and I think it would be safe to have such mundane things as a puzzle-box, a telescope, and so forth.
Looking at the auctions, I think maybe we should talk about what items we want released early.
Plant of Serenity for example sounds as if it can restore sanity without exhausting, and that’s something we probably want asap so it can restore as much as possible. I know we won’t really know what an item does before it’s up for auction, but isn’t it best to make some educated guesses to try to get the useful stuff in the game as fast as we can?
I find this to be a pointless waste of time. We only know what one item does, the rest is useless speculation.
Why call out Rhand for speculating on the items but ignore Kami's post where he did the same?
I mostly play mafia for the mechanics. This game has a ton of different ones and I started the discussion about them, because I'm really interested in how other people want to approach this game. I will point out what posts I feel are notable in determining the alignment of someone, but up until now there hasn't been much.
hmm you're a mechanical player? don't really remember if you were mechanical in previous games. but if that's the case, I guess it's in your capabilities as town. I'll look elsewhere.[/quote]
We've only played in Pirates mafia together and most of my mechanic talk was in the scumchat.
I don't want to discourage you from trying to read me as I will try to limit my talk about mechanics and actually come up with posts about other people.
As an aside, I tend to view mafia games with complicated setups as a board game you play only once. This means that mechanic talks are necessary in order to increase the chances of winning as you don't really have references for these types of situations.
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What do you think of Shinichi/Lastwhisper in the first page or so?
Do you not want to play with meg that badly ? Alright I’ll try not to subject you guys to that.
Uhh the twins.. their posts are kind of hard to parse and I kind of glossed over, so no. Rn I’m just answering what catches my eye but since there’s only 2 pages I can probably afford a more careful reread. Any reason you asked this, did you notice anything ?
@vezokpiraka You never replied to my #15. I don’t actually care about this topic all that much but I’m miffed that you didn’t respond.
@Rhand I'm referring to auction numbers only. Roles should be handled normally. I should have been more clear.
@KA thanks, you're ideas are interesting.
@Dota I phrased it like that because I completely agreewith you. And wanted to make sure others were thinking in those terms. I'm confident that people weren't.
Also I'm married to the idea of claiming auction numbers in the future. Not to it happening D3.
@DBS the pirates scum chat will give you insight on my opinion of Vezok as a player. We both think mechanically, but I'm less agressive than he is. Note our debate around the third vanilla shot for example.
@Dota I phrased it like that because I completely agreewith you. And wanted to make sure others were thinking in those terms. I'm confident that people weren't.
Town player A votes for the logs to be included in the auction. The logs go up for auction but scum outbids everyone and walks away with the info. Right? Still don't like how you've phrased it there:
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Could very easily be someone naively wanting a list and not realizing how much more valuable that is in an organized team's hand then in one random person's hands.
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Could very easily be someone naively wanting a list and not realizing how much more dangerous that is in an organized team's hand then in one random person's hands.
You can argue that it's semantics but it's a pretty important distinction to make.
Vote: Vezok I don't think a mass claim D1 helps us at all. I think D3 might be a good idea though. Let scum sweat the wine for a couple nights (and feel like they either have to do non provable things or appear town aligned) knowing they'll have to claim soon.
And Vezok is a semi RVS. I strongly disagree with his proposal and think it's slightly anti-town, but I know I disagree with him on how best to handle mechanics fairly often so it's hard to discern his alignment from that disagreement.
I'm not married to a D3 mass claim, but think there will come a point where it needs to happen. It being D3 was to give us two nights of wine without giving scum too much leeway and losing too much information to NK's. If we lynch scum early though I'm very happy to kick it down the line.
I agree that we shouldn't focus too much on mechanics, as tempting as it is for this setup. Proph/Grapes looking good in that regard.
Shinichi vs Last is coming off as town to me. I know some players like to rvs certain people as a gimmick, but it isn't close to policy.
also, to my definition, policy means lynching someone cuz you know they are more helpful to town dead than alive (because of playstyle, or other). policy voting is voting someone regardless of their alignment, because an action taken looks unhelpful to town. gimmick voting is different.
I don't like Vezok's constant focus on mechanics. the least he could do was use that to fish reactions, then question the players why they react that way. like #80 ("I think this post comes from town terry, but I don't really agree with it.") looks good at first, but it goes into more mechanics talk rather than questioning Terry for the whys of his post.
I mostly play mafia for the mechanics. This game has a ton of different ones and I started the discussion about them, because I'm really interested in how other people want to approach this game. I will point out what posts I feel are notable in determining the alignment of someone, but up until now there hasn't been much.
hmm you're a mechanical player? don't really remember if you were mechanical in previous games. but if that's the case, I guess it's in your capabilities as town. I'll look elsewhere.
We've only played in Pirates mafia together and most of my mechanic talk was in the scumchat.
I don't want to discourage you from trying to read me as I will try to limit my talk about mechanics and actually come up with posts about other people.
As an aside, I tend to view mafia games with complicated setups as a board game you play only once. This means that mechanic talks are necessary in order to increase the chances of winning as you don't really have references for these types of situations.
@DBS the pirates scum chat will give you insight on my opinion of Vezok as a player. We both think mechanically, but I'm less agressive than he is. Note our debate around the third vanilla shot for example.
ok. thanks for the confirmation. seen some mechanical players before so that's fine.
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I don't think so, so why are you wasting our time speculating instead of hunting for scum?
My dear fellow, you may be well served by a visit to the library. Those who know where to look would easily expect the Ruby of R'lyeh to grant inhuman speed.
Any conversation can be of use, if you're willing to look hard enough. Why, I had a conversation just the other day that ostensibly touched simply on matters of physics, but soon revealed a great deal regarding my companion's moral convictions. In a time such as this, you must be willing to look beyond what is said, and think on the motives revealed.
But let us say you're right and that there is nothing fruitful here; what, then, would you discuss? Have you yet spotted anything suspicious in our fellow citizens? If not, how do you propose to find it?
My dearer fellow... Well if you didn’t notice, I was actually thinking that trying to direct town into a fruitless discussion may in fact be less than morally sound here.
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I don't think so, so why are you wasting our time speculating instead of hunting for scum?
My dear fellow, you may be well served by a visit to the library. Those who know where to look would easily expect the Ruby of R'lyeh to grant inhuman speed.
Any conversation can be of use, if you're willing to look hard enough. Why, I had a conversation just the other day that ostensibly touched simply on matters of physics, but soon revealed a great deal regarding my companion's moral convictions. In a time such as this, you must be willing to look beyond what is said, and think on the motives revealed.
But let us say you're right and that there is nothing fruitful here; what, then, would you discuss? Have you yet spotted anything suspicious in our fellow citizens? If not, how do you propose to find it?
My dearer fellow... Well if you didn’t notice, I was actually thinking that trying to direct town into a fruitless discussion may in fact be less than morally sound here.
@Dota yes that is my fear. And why I was talking about town "voting" on who they want to get the logs when I thought that one vote in the auction thread was going to make it available.
As for your semantics point I phrased it that way because I am assuming town voted for the logs. And I wanted to phrase it in a less confrontational manner. There are a few players here who I know aren't the most thorough in terms of thinking out mechanics and I went with the kill them with kindness approach since I'd already been a bit blustery.
As for your other point I literally said "D3 might be a good idea" in the post you quoted. The second one is a bit more confident wording, but I was more focused on making a point that we should be planning to mass claim auction numbers at some stage, but not before D3.
Terry do you suspect me and Vezok as well as Kamikaze? What about Rhand?
@terry: it’s perfectly possible to talk about items and scumhunt at the same time. Your initial reaction to my proposal made me feel bad about you because it seemed that you wanted to keep us from getting organised, but now that you’ve explained yourself with more words I think you’re town. So it does help understanding alignments too. It’s hard for scum to talk about mechanics like these without showing their agenda.
I don’t think we have to try to guess every item there is, but I do think that it’s better to go for items that look like they’ll help us find scum or keep our sanity. We don’t need page-long discussions about that.
And the Ruby proves that the item flavor is tied to what they do in the game.
@Grape/dota: your discussion is the wrong kind of mechanical discussion to have. You’re explaining what you’re expecting scum to do with the auction house. Which will make scum careful not to do that.
Better to keep those ideas to yourself and use them to catch scum later on when they actually did it.
I also won't be discussing too much about mechanics. I also can get bogged down in them and I'm gonna try and avoid that here.
@Proph: I think that engaging you in discussion might help me figure out your alignment, so
What do you think of Grape's proposal?
Actually, @Rhand: same question. You two are going to be the two I will have the most trouble with (except for potentially Kami, but we'll see) so this seems a good place to start.
@Shin: Thoughts on Atog?
Atog: Thoughts on Shin?
I don't plan to bid on the Auction Logs or Blacklist btw.
I think Last might be town? That is probably my most solid read atm.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Rhand if scum decides to not vote for the logs because I've outlined it as scum behavior then I consider that a victory. But you're definitely correct in a general sense.
@Killjoy talk to me about Wisp. I'm not settled on him at all, but my gut is saying he's scum. His half of the conversation with Shinichi felt performative to me. More like he wanted to put on a show of interacting with his brother, but was forcing it.
@KJ: I don’t want to pin us on a claim day and I do want to talk about items. I like that Grape doesn’t want certain items in the game early, but I think it’s more valuable to decide which ones we do want instead of which ones we don’t want.
Anyhow, I think Grape is probably town, which I guess was the question beneath your question?
Question for you: if you know you have a hard time reading Proph and me, then why question us? Wouldn’t it make more sense to question people that might actually give you an alignment read?
What's up with DBS's and grape's votes? Did I miss anything?
My vote is I got names mixed up... >_>
Vote: Yurkin
What do you think is with this one now that it's on the correct player?
@Rhand I'm a bit reluctant to discuss which items I think should be voted for because I feel that makes it easier for people to pin point which bid number belongs to you. It's a bit of a catch 22.
@Vezok I think you misunderstood me. My proposal was to keep anyone from getting information. And was made at a point when I thought the logs were guaranteed to go up for auction.
I'm saying if that item does go up (and it revealing what it is doesn't change the equation) that town elects one person to bid on it. And if someone else bids against them we mass claim. Otherwise we play as normal till D3 at which point I suggest we mass claim. Preferably we should not let that item be bid on at all though. At least not early. Same with the blacklist one.
I understand what you mean now. Yeah, I also thought about mass claim on day 3. This seems like the best idea unless something else happens.
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I kinda like Rhand.
I have mixed feelings about reading...half of the playerlist, because they all remind me of Shinichi.
Nope, you're right, that was just a flip of another vote. Sorry.
I won't on my own, but the normal ways. Town reading people. Anyway since it's only the top 3 vote getting items it probably won't come to having to nominate someone to get it.
@Proph I agree that's a noble goal, but I think in a game this mechanics heavy some mechanical discussion is a must. Just not at the expense of also looking at behavior. I also missed Kami being excited in the signup thread, so that weakens my reaction to the flavor post a bit. Thought it was more spontaneous than it was.
How is this better? The town doesn't know who is whom and the scum can randomly bid on stuff by still staying hidden and the scum knows who has the powerful items and can kill them at night. This to me sounds like the worst of both worlds.
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I'd normally agree with you, but it is day 1 and we can talk about it before we start scumhunting out of RVS>
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I'm saying if that item does go up (and it revealing what it is doesn't change the equation) that town elects one person to bid on it. And if someone else bids against them we mass claim. Otherwise we play as normal till D3 at which point I suggest we mass claim. Preferably we should not let that item be bid on at all though. At least not early. Same with the blacklist one.
I understand what you mean now. Yeah, I also thought about mass claim on day 3. This seems like the best idea unless something else happens.
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It’s been way too long since I got to do that
I agree that choosing who gets what item is a bad idea. It forces us to vote for top town reads, giving scum an easy pool of hard to lynch people to kill at Night. Also, we have no idea what kind of abilities there are. For all we know scum can steal our items if they know who has them.
Why are we discussing when we’re going to massclaim? I think we should simply look at how the game progresses and massclaim when it’s useful.
I’m getting mixed feelings from Shinichi. The question if it’s ok to vote worries me bigtime, but at the same time I can’t see the claim that he knows a townie coming from scum. I think Shinichi is going to be one of those players that I can’t read and always seems scum.
@Proph: when Shinichi has answered you, please give your read on him. It bugs me that you understand Grape’s townread while at the same time you’re throwing scum-hunting questions at Shinichi.
I'm not married to a D3 mass claim, but think there will come a point where it needs to happen. It being D3 was to give us two nights of wine without giving scum too much leeway and losing too much information to NK's. If we lynch scum early though I'm very happy to kick it down the line.
Rereading what's here Shin looks townier than I remembered.
@Yurkin how would you decide if someone was trustworthy, if the game mechanics made you pick someone to trust? What does asking how I would give insight into my alignment?
Are you talking about a mass item claim, mass auction number claim, mass role claim or all of the above?
@Grapefruit: Talk to me about your thought process; you dislike vezok’s plan, but here you are planning a mass claim for day three. How is this especially different in the grand scheme of things?
Also Vote Grapefruit you dirty pirate. (Couldn’t resist)
Plant of Serenity for example sounds as if it can restore sanity without exhausting, and that’s something we probably want asap so it can restore as much as possible. I know we won’t really know what an item does before it’s up for auction, but isn’t it best to make some educated guesses to try to get the useful stuff in the game as fast as we can?
Vote Prophylaxis
Bye.
2 Auction Slip - auto win an auction?
3 Auction Blacklist - block someone from the auction house?
4 Vial of Holy Water - 1-shot sanity restore?
5 Vial of Holy Water
6 Vial of Holy Water
8 Scepter of Daoloth - make someone lose sanity?
9 Headdress of the Pharaoh - governor?
10 Potion of Truth - 1-shot cop?
11 Amulet -
12 Potions of Speed - 1-shot priority boost?
13 Looking Glass - something investigative.. census maybe?
14 Mask of Azathoth -
15 Glasses of Daoloth - something investigative?
16 Staff of the Yellow King -
17 Twin Scepters - neighbour chat?
19 Money Box - money
20 Map of Other Worlds -
21 Orb of the Third Eye - watcher?
22 Cross of Focus -
23 Plant of Serenity - restore sanity?
24 Lockbox -
25 Telescope -
26 Rift of Zhar - vig? (opening a rift summons a monster)
27 Puzzle Box
Those are my guesses. I think we should go for the plant and anything that sounds investigative.
My schedule is getting switched to overnights at work so I’ll catch up and make a post Sunday night, more than likely.
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The ones called Prophylaxis and Rhand, at least, rose above that banal noise. A certain flexibility of the mind, and pointed questions. They had the air of true curiosity, reminding me of the archaeologists that had set out upon that expedition to Egypt. I could only hope they would not meet the same fate.
Grapefruit was teeming with plans. I misliked the quickness with which he began to command, yet perhaps this was just an industrious nature. His questions, at least, deserved answers.
We should not be seeking the logs of the auction house. As the purchases by the numbers are themselves public knowledge, I can only surmise that they would contain the identities of those who bid - perhaps for all numbers, but more likely just for those who have won auctions (as the auction house would need to keep a record of their addresses, for delivery). I think this should remain secret, for the same reason that I prefer we maintain secrecy in our auction numbers.
The blacklist, I suspect, would be a permit to ban someone from the Auction House - temporarily or entirely - and may be useful in future, but it is too early to make use of it.
I am also wary of several of the items listed. Simply from the name, they strike me as too dangerous to be used. In my research at the Miskatonic University Library, I came upon some of the names that are present here. Surely no good can come of any relic of the Yellow King, to say nothing of the danger of associating with the dread daemon sultan - and you may call me superstitious if you wish, but I will not say his name here; I will simply say that a Mask with that name is on the rolls. Better to let it rot in a forgotten warehouse, I would say.
As for the others, no ill can come of Holy Water or a Cross; and I think it would be safe to have such mundane things as a puzzle-box, a telescope, and so forth.
PRob an off beat way to play the game and possibily stupid but by default people tend to follow the norm so if that doesnt happen something is normally up.
Tell me about VEzo as a player
What makes you think a scum aligned player voted for it, thats kind of a bold statement don't you think. I agree though on your analysis of the items, and if there are secret items i am slighly worried about their stength.Nvm you believe they aren't scum I read into that wrong, your still making a very bold assessment seeing as how the items power has yet to be revealed. I mean u could easily be scum argueing this exact reasoning so you could snatch it.I think aslong as the described item is in towns hands it will be fine aslong as commuincation is involved.
Oh thats just wrong, thats the equivalent of game throwing at that point.
Eh wut
If you really think that item mames say nothing, then why would the auction mechanic of voting on items exist in the first place?
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I don't think so, so why are you wasting our time speculating instead of hunting for scum?
I think this post comes from town terry, but I don't really agree with it. If an item is called Bandage, we could probably speculate that it's a healing item while if an item is called The Twisted Spoon of Ygdrassill it would be pretty useless to speculate on it.
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Any conversation can be of use, if you're willing to look hard enough. Why, I had a conversation just the other day that ostensibly touched simply on matters of physics, but soon revealed a great deal regarding my companion's moral convictions. In a time such as this, you must be willing to look beyond what is said, and think on the motives revealed.
But let us say you're right and that there is nothing fruitful here; what, then, would you discuss? Have you yet spotted anything suspicious in our fellow citizens? If not, how do you propose to find it?
I feel like vezok idea doesnt need to come from scum nor do we have the information to suggest I am sure someone would have brought it up just like someone always brings up massclaiming its inevitable. I feel like its best to get the mechanics talk out of the way so everyone understands the auction and how we're going to go about using it. Since scum will clearly want in one what gets given out and will def fight for stuff.
They don't, but its like if people want to follow norms expect that me or others moight scum read them from the fact that they're branching out is all. Not entirely just assumed his scum, but i would def be pushing him so much harder if that was the case. I would have assumed last was scum and if he had flipped scum either he manipulated me or gwen is scum with him.
Shinichi vs Last is coming off as town to me. I know some players like to rvs certain people as a gimmick, but it isn't close to policy.
also, to my definition, policy means lynching someone cuz you know they are more helpful to town dead than alive (because of playstyle, or other). policy voting is voting someone regardless of their alignment, because an action taken looks unhelpful to town. gimmick voting is different.
I don't like Vezok's constant focus on mechanics. the least he could do was use that to fish reactions, then question the players why they react that way. like #80 ("I think this post comes from town terry, but I don't really agree with it.") looks good at first, but it goes into more mechanics talk rather than questioning Terry for the whys of his post.
Be grateful, always."
Can you rewrite this post? I'm having a hard time understand what you meant.
I mostly play mafia for the mechanics. This game has a ton of different ones and I started the discussion about them, because I'm really interested in how other people want to approach this game. I will point out what posts I feel are notable in determining the alignment of someone, but up until now there hasn't been much.
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Be grateful, always."
@Atog/@Shinichi: Without giving more info away, why did you feel it necessary to post the above?
There can be only one Archon!!!
Two questions:
1) In post #33 you appear to be in favour of a Day 1 claim, even after it's pointed out that the item powers are made public, but then in post #47 you prefer Grape's idea. So which is it? And why phrase it that way, "I actually agree"?
2) Grape never quoted me, so why was my RVS vote and comment on Vezoks idea thrown in there?
I don't like that bolded part, there is only one organised team in any game of Mafia... You yourself know how much damage scum can do when they blend in well enough (promised myself I wouldn't mention Pirates but it's kinda hard not to ) Why phrase it like that?
I agree that it's a bad idea to claim it so early, but there have been games where deciding and debating on actions/items as a group have been the deciding factor in town winning (see the final Days of Mafia vs Werewolves). Are you entirely opposed to the idea of a group decision or do you think it could be worthwhile later in the game?
Vote: Grape
Vezok claims to have also been considering Day 3 and then you're "not married to the idea"? Doesn't gel with your earlier posts.
Why call out Rhand for speculating on the items but ignore Kami's post where he did the same?
We've only played in Pirates mafia together and most of my mechanic talk was in the scumchat.
I don't want to discourage you from trying to read me as I will try to limit my talk about mechanics and actually come up with posts about other people.
As an aside, I tend to view mafia games with complicated setups as a board game you play only once. This means that mechanic talks are necessary in order to increase the chances of winning as you don't really have references for these types of situations.
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Uhh the twins.. their posts are kind of hard to parse and I kind of glossed over, so no. Rn I’m just answering what catches my eye but since there’s only 2 pages I can probably afford a more careful reread. Any reason you asked this, did you notice anything ?
@vezokpiraka You never replied to my #15. I don’t actually care about this topic all that much but I’m miffed that you didn’t respond.
Because scum probably already knows it anyways
@KA thanks, you're ideas are interesting.
@Dota I phrased it like that because I completely agreewith you. And wanted to make sure others were thinking in those terms. I'm confident that people weren't.
Also I'm married to the idea of claiming auction numbers in the future. Not to it happening D3.
@DBS the pirates scum chat will give you insight on my opinion of Vezok as a player. We both think mechanically, but I'm less agressive than he is. Note our debate around the third vanilla shot for example.
You can argue that it's semantics but it's a pretty important distinction to make.
Then please explain your progression here, because you were very much for it being Day 3 until Vezok agreed:
ok. thanks for the confirmation. seen some mechanical players before so that's fine.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
As for your semantics point I phrased it that way because I am assuming town voted for the logs. And I wanted to phrase it in a less confrontational manner. There are a few players here who I know aren't the most thorough in terms of thinking out mechanics and I went with the kill them with kindness approach since I'd already been a bit blustery.
As for your other point I literally said "D3 might be a good idea" in the post you quoted. The second one is a bit more confident wording, but I was more focused on making a point that we should be planning to mass claim auction numbers at some stage, but not before D3.
Terry do you suspect me and Vezok as well as Kamikaze? What about Rhand?
Vote: DisplayName
I don’t think we have to try to guess every item there is, but I do think that it’s better to go for items that look like they’ll help us find scum or keep our sanity. We don’t need page-long discussions about that.
And the Ruby proves that the item flavor is tied to what they do in the game.
Better to keep those ideas to yourself and use them to catch scum later on when they actually did it.
@Proph: I think that engaging you in discussion might help me figure out your alignment, so
What do you think of Grape's proposal?
Actually, @Rhand: same question. You two are going to be the two I will have the most trouble with (except for potentially Kami, but we'll see) so this seems a good place to start.
@Shin: Thoughts on Atog?
Atog: Thoughts on Shin?
I don't plan to bid on the Auction Logs or Blacklist btw.
I think Last might be town? That is probably my most solid read atm.
@Killjoy talk to me about Wisp. I'm not settled on him at all, but my gut is saying he's scum. His half of the conversation with Shinichi felt performative to me. More like he wanted to put on a show of interacting with his brother, but was forcing it.
Anyhow, I think Grape is probably town, which I guess was the question beneath your question?
Question for you: if you know you have a hard time reading Proph and me, then why question us? Wouldn’t it make more sense to question people that might actually give you an alignment read?
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My vote is I got names mixed up... >_>
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What do you think is with this one now that it's on the correct player?
@Rhand I'm a bit reluctant to discuss which items I think should be voted for because I feel that makes it easier for people to pin point which bid number belongs to you. It's a bit of a catch 22.
I'm just gonna scumhunt and kill wolfy people and let other people handle the blah blah blah for the time being.
That being said, I didn't really come away with any remotely strong feelings. It's mostly "massclaim yes no" and roleplaying.
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I kinda like Rhand.
I have mixed feelings about reading...half of the playerlist, because they all remind me of Shinichi.
Game is hard.
Hardly anyone is joining in on the discussion anyways, so i guess i’ll drop the idea.