If Shinichi hadn't already voted Grapefruit (I think? I'm super bad at keeping track of votes), I'd be voting him now. Something I wrote up while reading the thread:
I don’t understand Grapefruit’s change of vote from DisplayName to yurkin (#97, #104). To me, the two are currently indistinguishable by their posts. He changes his vote as if he made a mistake, but really, was there actually much of a difference? He also gives a bit more explanation in #118, but yurkin’s vote was RVS. Planning ahead and keeping your ideas a secret, especially reasoning behind reads/votes, may seem like something town do, but it’s also an easy way to appear to be solving the game and wrap people around your finger (#121).
@Grapefruit I also don't understand your stance on logs (#44). Terry only revealed what it does later in the game (#227), and already being "angry" at someone voting for that item seems like an overreaction. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding how the auction works, but I believe you did not know exactly what that item did at the time?
Also, why yurkin again? Seemed like you put a lot of focus on her for little reason.
Terry is town, Kami is a town lean (mainly for #349, which is mechanics, but I really liked how he jumped straight into something with high benefit for town). I kinda like Atogaholic for the softclaim (#15). I don't remember exactly but I think I liked Iso's reads.
vez's #60 I kinda like, but #177 bothers me, since copying a gimmick (that imo, is pretty elaborate) solely for a townread seems silly. I don't think Kami was even getting townleans for his gimmick (though correct me if I'm wrong). I could complain about his #228 (because it feels a bit over the top and something scum would do), but I have practically the same thought, though for a different reason.
Rhand's #368 vote feels opportunistic, and I don't really like the townread he gave on Grapefruit earlier. Remind me why Grape's a townread? And if there's anything Phraze dawn has done aside from that comment you find scummy.
Cyan's #250 is a cheap shot.
According to my notes, I liked Gwen's #239 and really liked her #298.
I have a couple more posts I pulled up but I'm tired so this will be it for now.
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Quick thoughts on the auction house.
Potion of truth being used in duress (l-2) or in dat before mylo makes sense to me.
Tommy gun should probably be used earlier than later in a game this size.
Ruby seems pretty weak. Bidding war over it would be silly.
Ditto looking glass.
Puzzle box would be good to organize, but too early for that. If you buy that it seems very important to will properly. Don't forget to keep your affairs in order.
My vote on Yurkin was serious. I'm still accepting guesses as to why I made it. So far no one has ventured one. Still not explaining it yet. Want at least one person to play along first.
Dont ask me to read phraze... shes always town to me
this but the exact opposite
if you have seen me as town so far, shouldn't you assume this is town!me? statistically speaking. if you've seen scum!me then I guess you have a point.
just saying.
@DBS You literally called me out for sheeping togs case on KJ. you pushed me because I said I liked his reasoning and voted without double checking who said it. And you're voting togs for sheeping?
I mean I'm pretty certain you're town through all of this, but you're literally forgetting things that you made a point of and it's frustrating. Stop making crap up. I sheeped togs. You pushed me over it. Turning around and pushing togs for sheeping me after that is absurd.
I already said I will read through Atogs and have not noticed him before. that should be clarification enough.
pbbbt, scum never ever drinks it, the shove it up their... and it never sees the light of day. They’ll make never ending excuses to not take just like Az promising to kill himself every day until end game.
town!Az. inb4 this becomes Zero Escape v.2
that was one of my concerns. it's best to hand it over to someone we believe is town, or has a questionable claim that we want to sort out.
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My vote on Yurkin was serious. I'm still accepting guesses as to why I made it. So far no one has ventured one. Still not explaining it yet. Want at least one person to play along first.
Also hi RE! Welcome
I'll guess after you answer this - how familiar are you with yurkin's meta?
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My vote on Yurkin was serious. I'm still accepting guesses as to why I made it. So far no one has ventured one. Still not explaining it yet. Want at least one person to play along first.
Also hi RE! Welcome
I'll guess after you answer this - how familiar are you with yurkin's meta?
Effectively no experience with him. I was treating him as a blank slate.
@DBS Fair enough. I overreacted. As for your questions in 348 I think last is never relaxed. He bounces off walls both as scum and as town. My understanding of his scum meta (and this may have changed in the months since I saw him) was that he would be more granular in his arguments as scum while more flowy as town. My scum read on him came because he got into such specifics in arguing with Shin in RVS. My point dismissing 132 was A it doesn't read as relaxed (though it doesn't fit my granular as scum vision either) and B that it came after KJ had given his read so using it as evidence that KJ's read was real doesn't work. KJ had already made his read.
I have been talking to KJ about it, just been talking to you as well. Me questioning him on why we town read wisp (relaxed and sincere I had the wording wrong this whole time :sick:) is what started this whole branching conversation!
And I do scum read (though really by strength it's much more a lean than read, but it's real). I'm just refusing to answer why till people actually read those three posts and figure it out for themselves. Top 4 scum reads are Vezo>KJ>>>Yurkin>>>>>>>Wisp
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saw your ISO and how Grapes followed you on Killjoy. I guess that nullifies what I've noticed, since Grapes has followed with his own questions, and not just waited around.
I will say though, I have an ability that can affect the bidding process, which is probably not the only one present in the setup and I’d be very surprised if the scum didn’t have one. So, keeping track of everything probably won’t be perfect but it can also help spot out when abilities like this aren’t used for good.
My vote on Yurkin was serious. I'm still accepting guesses as to why I made it. So far no one has ventured one. Still not explaining it yet. Want at least one person to play along first.
I see. checked Yurkin's posts, and... her question in 1st post was trying to shade you? looked like her 2nd post cast doubt on Shinichi's frustration as well. still can't tell what it is exactly that you see.
@DBS Fair enough. I overreacted. As for your questions in 348 I think last is never relaxed. He bounces off walls both as scum and as town. My understanding of his scum meta (and this may have changed in the months since I saw him) was that he would be more granular in his arguments as scum while more flowy as town. My scum read on him came because he got into such specifics in arguing with Shin in RVS. My point dismissing 132 was A it doesn't read as relaxed (though it doesn't fit my granular as scum vision either) and B that it came after KJ had given his read so using it as evidence that KJ's read was real doesn't work. KJ had already made his read.
I have been talking to KJ about it, just been talking to you as well. Me questioning him on why we town read wisp (relaxed and sincere I had the wording wrong this whole time :sick:) is what started this whole branching conversation!
And I do scum read (though really by strength it's much more a lean than read, but it's real). I'm just refusing to answer why till people actually read those three posts and figure it out for themselves. Top 4 scum reads are Vezo>KJ>>>Yurkin>>>>>>>Wisp
Last is still the same old jittery bug, but with more self-control. nothing new. and thanks for the explanation.
3 posts to read sure doesn't sound like a hassle, but I'm surprised you can get a read out of just 3 posts.
as for your reads, can you explain why Last is in there? thought you said you townread him for different reasons from Killjoy.
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@DBS You're on the right track (shade) with my Yurkin read but not all of it or exactly what I was seeing. Like I said it's more a lean than a read, but it's real.
I scum read him for that RVS section I've been talking about. He's done some stuff lately that makes me think he could be town, but I can't shake the way he's just a bit more detail oriented (in a defensive way) than he often is. If the Yurkin read is a lean, the Wisp read is a ping. But one I can't shake.
@DBS You're on the right track (shade) with my Yurkin read but not all of it or exactly what I was seeing. Like I said it's more a lean than a read, but it's real.
I scum read him for that RVS section I've been talking about. He's done some stuff lately that makes me think he could be town, but I can't shake the way he's just a bit more detail oriented (in a defensive way) than he often is. If the Yurkin read is a lean, the Wisp read is a ping. But one I can't shake.
hmm ok. I'll need to check #44 and make sense out of it, since you did vote after that 1 post (unless I remembered wrongly).
your explanations on Last and Yurkin sound fair. do you intend to explore those hunches further? I'm interested to see what you're trying to establish with them. your argument with Killjoy looks like something that's gotten enough attention as it is. I'll also look over your debate(?) with Vezok.
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So. I've been thinking that there's probably one scum in Grape/Atog because of how much they're focusing on my read on Last. I'm gonna go ahead and say probably not both? That's a lot of scum persuing a bad line to kill a townie.
Looking through their ISO's... Grape seems... I guess not fake? is the word I'm trying to find here? Like Grapes progression seems real. He does seem to be scumreading Last, and his suspicion of my seems to have resulted form that.
Atog's progression is less clear. He's more likely scum than Grape if one of them is scum. I also feel like he didn't really do his due diligence prior to voting me.
He might be scum. Not sure yet.
But just FYI since there's a bit of contention about me I WOULD be willing to grab that potion of Truth and use it. I'm not sure there's a better person for it right now.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So. I've been thinking that there's probably one scum in Grape/Atog because of how much they're focusing on my read on Last. I'm gonna go ahead and say probably not both? That's a lot of scum persuing a bad line to kill a townie.
Looking through their ISO's... Grape seems... I guess not fake? is the word I'm trying to find here? Like Grapes progression seems real. He does seem to be scumreading Last, and his suspicion of my seems to have resulted form that.
Atog's progression is less clear. He's more likely scum than Grape if one of them is scum. I also feel like he didn't really do his due diligence prior to voting me.
He might be scum. Not sure yet.
But just FYI since there's a bit of contention about me I WOULD be willing to grab that potion of Truth and use it. I'm not sure there's a better person for it right now.
This feels like setting up a chain mislynch. But the reads also feel real. Really had a negative visceral reaction to this post, but holding my nose and looking closer it's also kind great. His read on me is fair and well reasoned even if it's in a context where it could be set up to push me after togs.
DBS probably shouldn't potion (that togs push was probably a town push as gross as it was). I probably won't, because I'm obv town anyway :link:. Wouldn't hate Vezok potioning. But I also like just lynching him today.
@DBS I've seen a couple townie glimmers from wisp but haven't town read him all game.
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DBS acted like a real townie after Grape’s post.
I’m starting to get doubts about Grape. His unwillingness to take the potion bugs me.
@Terry: would you be ok facing possible bad consequences by having your AH number in the open? I really think you should grab that gun, but if all the AH logs do is reveal 1 number, then there almost must be a reason for wanting someone else’s number.
Which is another reason why I’m starting to doubt my Grape read. I know from last game that he’s not afraid of openly pushing a scum agenda and making it sound townie, and the whole massclaim Day 3 idea might be just that.
I’m gonna catch up on the pages I missed and I believe there are some open questions for me too. Maybe today, otherwise tomorrow.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Rhand
Tbh, if I got the potion I as well wouldnt use it, I'd rather use it as leeway because if I die, and give it someone else via my will... then thats either two confirmed town, or one confirmed town and one confirmed scum...
and another thing, anyone could say they are down to take the potion, but does that mean they will actually do it? Its a simple tactic to get pressure of themselves, or even look like town, without the actual need to do anything... plus we wouldnt even know if they were one of the people actively voting for the item...
Grape I've seen a couple townie glimmers from wisp but haven't town read him all game.
you are really still hug up on that interaction between me and shin I see... what posts gave you that townie glimmer?
First early read is shin/last v/v.
Just, i like the way theyre feeling each other out. Obviously this is low confidence since...brothers/play together all the time/etc but they're both so unselfconsciously cautious of each other early on. It's very not played up from both sides
I really like the way vezok frames his mech through reads.
It's a marked difference from [the admittedly only tangentially related situation in] pirates where he just wallowed in wanting to kill neutral az. But it was still Something He Thought Town Should Do, and that was alignment neutral to him that game.
His response to dawn coming to the opposite conclusion in realtime lines up perfectly with what I was already thinking.
Killjoys #100 has a thing that's important
Having just read grapefruits day 3 claim thing, rhand bringing it up again in the present is...
Idk need more context here but noted
shinichi-kun, don't get how acting different in rvs makes you scum. You can't expect people to act the same way in each and every game haha. So calling in policy voting is rather fun.
/btw the posting box here is great.
I agree. Besides, scum are capable of voting for each other in RVS. My opinion, not Shinichi's apparently.
@Kamikaze I want you to talk to me about my never put the logs or blacklist up for auction theory. You also seem to have put a fair amount of thought into the set up and I want your opinion on it.
Rereading what's here Shin looks townier than I remembered.
@Yurkin how would you decide if somone was trustworthy, if the game mechanics made you pick someone to trust? What does asking how I would give insight into my alignment?
Whoever I think is town ofc
Sadly not each and every question can be telling.
Don't really like the taking control over the game proposal, the question I asked is low key showing this. If u were scum herew taking that sort of position would be in your plus. From where the disliking of the idea.
Okay, that's a joke answer. I wouldn't answer like that, I'd give a list of town reads or something. So this convo is a bit redundant (but again, I could see town!yurkin doing this?).
And I kinda like her final response, and her initial question looks better with it. I don't disagree with it.
I just find the focus on yurkin odd because she has hardly any posts, she's getting replaced and you're still clinging to your read and making a big deal out of it by hiding your reasoning, she isn't even your top suspect, and overall, I don't see any benefit in keeping your reasons a secret until people guess? Do you hope to get reads from the responses? I remember you trying something like this in Starship when you were scum and Shinichi was the target instead of yurkin (who was also in that game). I don't know if that was in order to mimic your meta or what I said earlier. I'll review your other reads but I don't see what this is supposed to accomplish.
I don't know if it was intentional but you also ignored my questions regarding the logs.
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RE I very much hoped to get reads from people digging into my read on Yurkin. And your point about there not being much there is fair, but there is enough that I had a read on it.
Anyway now that you and DBS had a go at it, it's the combination of shade and dismissal. The first post as DBS noted is a slight shading. Yurkin is casting doubt A at me and B on the idea of building trust and finding town reads. The joke answer to follow it up continues that line of sowing distrust. He's showing no interest in anything except leaning into the idea that we can't trust anyone. Shows no game solving interest at all. Yes there isn't much there but there is zero positive and some decent red flags.
@KJ I read your post 3 times. I'm not sure what I'm missing. You say you think there is one scum in me/togs. And then you town read me slightly and shrug a bit no togs saying maybe scum. If you're town maybe you didn't mean it that way, but it reads like possibly setting up to push me after togs.
@Wisp your later replies to DBS.
@Terry glad your finger is okay!
@Rhand not refusing to use it, just difficult for me to afford. And I'm confident that by the time I could use it (tomorrow) I'll be widely town read anyway.
I'd rather have someone like Phraze or grape take the potion than KJ. KJ is not so hard to read while those two are almost impossible.
may I ask why I am hard to read? Grapes I can understand, since he's fooled us in a previous game. I have nothing to warrant the caution yet, so I want to see what groups me in with Grapes.
DBS probably shouldn't potion (that togs push was probably a town push as gross as it was). I probably won't, because I'm obv town anyway :link:. Wouldn't hate Vezok potioning. But I also like just lynching him today.
please elaborate on what you mean by "gross". and how are you obv!town?
@DBS I've seen a couple townie glimmers from wisp but haven't town read him all game.
shouldn't you be looking for scum signs? how can you push someone as scum if they don't have the 'signs' for you to case? overall, I want to hear a proper case on why Last or Yurkin could be scum. you've spoken a lot about Killjoy and Vezok, but not those other two.
I still wanna know your answer to my question. were my reasons bad or not, and how. I looked through your ISO and it's been poorly-explained voting/unvoting, with mechanics talk. how are you scumhunting?
@DBS It's gross because it wasn't based on any reality in the thread and was admitted to have been made without reading. Those are things wolves would love to be able to get away with. Gross meaning viscerally scummy at a surface level in context.
As for me being obv!town I think I usually am. I'm also either the most active or second most active so far and have plenty to be read by.
As for Wisp I've explained my read several times. It's the way he reacted to Shin early. The detailed focus on the points Shin made in RVS rather than breezing past them or making points of his own. Scum!Wisp the time I saw him was more detail oriented in his defensiveness than town!wisp who is just widely defensive. Yurkin I explained just before your post.
I'm not a fan of plan no one but Terry bid on the tommy gun for reasons. I trust Terry but I don't love automatically cedeing the gun to him since it can't be used toDay. But keeping it out of scum hands is also a really nice benefit to no one else bidding on it. Meh, it's back to the same information vs organization problem we keep running into. A day vig is not quite strong enough to push me to the organization side.
@dbs: Your playstyle is very hard to read for me at least. I don't really know why. I don't suspect you this game at all even have a slight townread, but I think you getting confirmed is a good play.
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Vezok, my dude, do you really have nothing to say to me after #15 and #89 ?
This post by Atog, especially in context with the rest of his posts, feels super scummy. It just doesn't make sense coming from a town perspective.
Can you explain further? Why especially in context with the rest of his posts? What about it can't come from a town perspective?
I also don't understand your read on Rhand. Why couldn't scum!Rhand speculate about item usage? And the question you liked from Rhand - isn't that just mafia theory?
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I've been reading but not taking notes because, well, I wasn't really intending to replace. Heh.
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While I'm catching up/organizing my thoughts, someone should tell me about this auction house plan with Terry buying the tommy gun, (probably?) getting shot tonight, then willing it to someone? Is there anyone against that plan? Because, well, I have some thoughts about it that I don't know if I should share.
I could probably wine it out, and might even be correct about it, but.
Also, why yurkin again? Seemed like you put a lot of focus on her for little reason.
Terry is town, Kami is a town lean (mainly for #349, which is mechanics, but I really liked how he jumped straight into something with high benefit for town). I kinda like Atogaholic for the softclaim (#15). I don't remember exactly but I think I liked Iso's reads.
vez's #60 I kinda like, but #177 bothers me, since copying a gimmick (that imo, is pretty elaborate) solely for a townread seems silly. I don't think Kami was even getting townleans for his gimmick (though correct me if I'm wrong). I could complain about his #228 (because it feels a bit over the top and something scum would do), but I have practically the same thought, though for a different reason.
Rhand's #368 vote feels opportunistic, and I don't really like the townread he gave on Grapefruit earlier. Remind me why Grape's a townread? And if there's anything
Phrazedawn has done aside from that comment you find scummy.Cyan's #250 is a cheap shot.
According to my notes, I liked Gwen's #239 and really liked her #298.
I have a couple more posts I pulled up but I'm tired so this will be it for now.
Potion of truth being used in duress (l-2) or in dat before mylo makes sense to me.
Tommy gun should probably be used earlier than later in a game this size.
Ruby seems pretty weak. Bidding war over it would be silly.
Ditto looking glass.
Puzzle box would be good to organize, but too early for that. If you buy that it seems very important to will properly. Don't forget to keep your affairs in order.
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just saying.
I already said I will read through Atogs and have not noticed him before. that should be clarification enough.
town!Az. inb4 this becomes Zero Escape v.2that was one of my concerns. it's best to hand it over to someone we believe is town, or has a questionable claim that we want to sort out.
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Effectively no experience with him. I was treating him as a blank slate.
@DBS Fair enough. I overreacted. As for your questions in 348 I think last is never relaxed. He bounces off walls both as scum and as town. My understanding of his scum meta (and this may have changed in the months since I saw him) was that he would be more granular in his arguments as scum while more flowy as town. My scum read on him came because he got into such specifics in arguing with Shin in RVS. My point dismissing 132 was A it doesn't read as relaxed (though it doesn't fit my granular as scum vision either) and B that it came after KJ had given his read so using it as evidence that KJ's read was real doesn't work. KJ had already made his read.
I have been talking to KJ about it, just been talking to you as well. Me questioning him on why we town read wisp (relaxed and sincere I had the wording wrong this whole time :sick:) is what started this whole branching conversation!
And I do scum read (though really by strength it's much more a lean than read, but it's real). I'm just refusing to answer why till people actually read those three posts and figure it out for themselves. Top 4 scum reads are Vezo>KJ>>>Yurkin>>>>>>>Wisp
saw your ISO and how Grapes followed you on Killjoy. I guess that nullifies what I've noticed, since Grapes has followed with his own questions, and not just waited around.
your speculating the scumteam looks good I guess?
the 2nd doesn't look like a helpful answer. but I guess it reads null either way.
haven't seen through the cases on you but for now, I guess you should be given the benefit of doubt.
@Grapefruit21
I still would like to know why you voted Yurkin.
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Possibly by reading the op, the other thread, and/or the first 7 pages of this one
Last is still the same old jittery bug, but with more self-control. nothing new. and thanks for the explanation.
3 posts to read sure doesn't sound like a hassle, but I'm surprised you can get a read out of just 3 posts.
as for your reads, can you explain why Last is in there? thought you said you townread him for different reasons from Killjoy.
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I scum read him for that RVS section I've been talking about. He's done some stuff lately that makes me think he could be town, but I can't shake the way he's just a bit more detail oriented (in a defensive way) than he often is. If the Yurkin read is a lean, the Wisp read is a ping. But one I can't shake.
your explanations on Last and Yurkin sound fair. do you intend to explore those hunches further? I'm interested to see what you're trying to establish with them. your argument with Killjoy looks like something that's gotten enough attention as it is. I'll also look over your debate(?) with Vezok.
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Looking through their ISO's... Grape seems... I guess not fake? is the word I'm trying to find here? Like Grapes progression seems real. He does seem to be scumreading Last, and his suspicion of my seems to have resulted form that.
Atog's progression is less clear. He's more likely scum than Grape if one of them is scum. I also feel like he didn't really do his due diligence prior to voting me.
He might be scum. Not sure yet.
But just FYI since there's a bit of contention about me I WOULD be willing to grab that potion of Truth and use it. I'm not sure there's a better person for it right now.
I'd rather have someone like Phraze or grape take the potion than KJ. KJ is not so hard to read while those two are almost impossible.
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What do you even think of grape and Dawn?
This feels like setting up a chain mislynch. But the reads also feel real. Really had a negative visceral reaction to this post, but holding my nose and looking closer it's also kind great. His read on me is fair and well reasoned even if it's in a context where it could be set up to push me after togs.
DBS probably shouldn't potion (that togs push was probably a town push as gross as it was). I probably won't, because I'm obv town anyway :link:. Wouldn't hate Vezok potioning. But I also like just lynching him today.
@DBS I've seen a couple townie glimmers from wisp but haven't town read him all game.
2. Are Will assignments publicly announced? Will people know who I leave my stuff to?
3. By publicly discussing who gets what we are inevitably revealing auction numbers
I'm down to take the potion. I think I'd be great as a confirmed townie.
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DBS acted like a real townie after Grape’s post.
I’m starting to get doubts about Grape. His unwillingness to take the potion bugs me.
@Terry: would you be ok facing possible bad consequences by having your AH number in the open? I really think you should grab that gun, but if all the AH logs do is reveal 1 number, then there almost must be a reason for wanting someone else’s number.
Which is another reason why I’m starting to doubt my Grape read. I know from last game that he’s not afraid of openly pushing a scum agenda and making it sound townie, and the whole massclaim Day 3 idea might be just that.
I’m gonna catch up on the pages I missed and I believe there are some open questions for me too. Maybe today, otherwise tomorrow.
Tbh, if I got the potion I as well wouldnt use it, I'd rather use it as leeway because if I die, and give it someone else via my will... then thats either two confirmed town, or one confirmed town and one confirmed scum...
and another thing, anyone could say they are down to take the potion, but does that mean they will actually do it? Its a simple tactic to get pressure of themselves, or even look like town, without the actual need to do anything... plus we wouldnt even know if they were one of the people actively voting for the item...
Grape
I've seen a couple townie glimmers from wisp but haven't town read him all game.
you are really still hug up on that interaction between me and shin I see... what posts gave you that townie glimmer?
Probably a good thing that Shin replaced...
First early read is shin/last v/v.
Just, i like the way theyre feeling each other out. Obviously this is low confidence since...brothers/play together all the time/etc but they're both so unselfconsciously cautious of each other early on. It's very not played up from both sides
I really like the way vezok frames his mech through reads.
It's a marked difference from [the admittedly only tangentially related situation in] pirates where he just wallowed in wanting to kill neutral az. But it was still Something He Thought Town Should Do, and that was alignment neutral to him that game.
His response to dawn coming to the opposite conclusion in realtime lines up perfectly with what I was already thinking.
Killjoys #100 has a thing that's important
Having just read grapefruits day 3 claim thing, rhand bringing it up again in the present is...
Idk need more context here but noted
And I kinda like her final response, and her initial question looks better with it. I don't disagree with it.
I don't know if it was intentional but you also ignored my questions regarding the logs.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Grape/vezok are literally never w/w this game lol
Comparing a buddy's behavior in thread to the last game thread vs scumchat is just not
No
The rest of this chunk...
I like iso a lot
And not just because this rp is better than his real personality
I can see him trying to move around the electrons
Don't like vezoks response to him at all, but still town on balance?
Proph towny and atog scummy but they're both just people id rather read after day 1
Idk what to do with shin think I'm just gonna lean into the v/v with last
Rhand looks better. Like his reads on vezok and Terry.
Blasphemous influences seemed to surround me and press chokingly upon my senses. Sleep, I decided, would be out of the question; so I merely extinguished the lamp and threw myself on the bed fully dressed. No doubt it was absurd, but I kept ready for some unknown emergency; gripping in my right hand the revolver I had brought along, and holding the pocket flashlight in my left. Not a sound came from below, and I could imagine how my host was sitting there with cadaverous stiffness in the dark.
Cyan (2) - KamikazeArchon, Lastwhisper
Grapefruit21 (2) - Shinichi, DoTArchon
Shadowlancerx (2) - Prophylaxis, dawningbluesky
vezokpiraka (2) - Iso, Grapefruit21
killjoy (1) - Atogaholic
dawningbluesky (1) - tomsloger
Lastwhisper (1) - Gwendolly
Prophylaxis (1) - Cantripmancer
tomsoger (1) – yurkin
Not voting: Killjoy, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Rhand
Day 1 ends on April 20th at 12:00 PM PST
With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.
Anyway now that you and DBS had a go at it, it's the combination of shade and dismissal. The first post as DBS noted is a slight shading. Yurkin is casting doubt A at me and B on the idea of building trust and finding town reads. The joke answer to follow it up continues that line of sowing distrust. He's showing no interest in anything except leaning into the idea that we can't trust anyone. Shows no game solving interest at all. Yes there isn't much there but there is zero positive and some decent red flags.
@KJ I read your post 3 times. I'm not sure what I'm missing. You say you think there is one scum in me/togs. And then you town read me slightly and shrug a bit no togs saying maybe scum. If you're town maybe you didn't mean it that way, but it reads like possibly setting up to push me after togs.
@Wisp your later replies to DBS.
@Terry glad your finger is okay!
@Rhand not refusing to use it, just difficult for me to afford. And I'm confident that by the time I could use it (tomorrow) I'll be widely town read anyway.
please elaborate on what you mean by "gross". and how are you obv!town?
shouldn't you be looking for scum signs? how can you push someone as scum if they don't have the 'signs' for you to case? overall, I want to hear a proper case on why Last or Yurkin could be scum. you've spoken a lot about Killjoy and Vezok, but not those other two.
I still wanna know your answer to my question. were my reasons bad or not, and how. I looked through your ISO and it's been poorly-explained voting/unvoting, with mechanics talk. how are you scumhunting?
I guess so. tbh it was difficult to read him lol
Be grateful, always."
As for me being obv!town I think I usually am. I'm also either the most active or second most active so far and have plenty to be read by.
As for Wisp I've explained my read several times. It's the way he reacted to Shin early. The detailed focus on the points Shin made in RVS rather than breezing past them or making points of his own. Scum!Wisp the time I saw him was more detail oriented in his defensiveness than town!wisp who is just widely defensive. Yurkin I explained just before your post.
I'm not a fan of plan no one but Terry bid on the tommy gun for reasons. I trust Terry but I don't love automatically cedeing the gun to him since it can't be used toDay. But keeping it out of scum hands is also a really nice benefit to no one else bidding on it. Meh, it's back to the same information vs organization problem we keep running into. A day vig is not quite strong enough to push me to the organization side.
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Can you explain further? Why especially in context with the rest of his posts? What about it can't come from a town perspective?
I also don't understand your read on Rhand. Why couldn't scum!Rhand speculate about item usage? And the question you liked from Rhand - isn't that just mafia theory?
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seems its just me and you again... :/
Flashbacks to when you kept forgetting I was your mafia buddy in your first mafia game....
:thinking:
I've been reading but not taking notes because, well, I wasn't really intending to replace. Heh.
unvote
While I'm catching up/organizing my thoughts, someone should tell me about this auction house plan with Terry buying the tommy gun, (probably?) getting shot tonight, then willing it to someone? Is there anyone against that plan? Because, well, I have some thoughts about it that I don't know if I should share.
I could probably wine it out, and might even be correct about it, but.
I'll just... put part of it out there, I guess.
Why hasn't anyone bid on the tommy gun yet?