I hate this whole exchange when I really look at it, because it looks like DBS is just trying to create wiggle room here to be able to later say, "It wasn't confirmed that I actually targeted KJ, guess the scum did something!"
Either A)DBS needs to state plainly that the PM she received says she TARGETED KJ, even if this means asking the Mod(because what the **** else would she do here other than seek clarification), or B)she's lying and trying to leave herself an out.
instead of pulling up various posts, you could look at how I'm DIRECTLY denying it is a dichotomy - with my vote.
thats not how any of this works
Lets put this together:
Grape: Doesnt want killjoy to get lynched
Cyan: Wants Killjoy to get lynched
Phraze: Created a dichotomy with her claim, is still voting Cantra
RE: Doesnt seem to care
Tom: Defends Cantri, and wants to lynch killjoy, his vote is still sitting on phraze unless im missing another vote change
Killjoy: well I forgot where his vote is, but im assuming phraze?
Cantri: Voting killjoy, but the post where he votes killjoy is just overall bad
Rhand: IDK been pretty lurky as of late
Wuffles: Ok with lynching killjoy thanks to Cyan
ME: Well ima a mess
Terry: Still dont know who vanallized him? and still not voting? i think?
Tom stole from the auction house n1, yes, definitely. He's a thief, yes - AKA a politician
None of these things make him scum. And I can confirm that he can do precisely 0 damage with the items he has, except to himself.
1. he heisted the map, but hasn't claimed the N2/6th item steal.
2. Shadow willed him everything.
3. he stole Proph's gold, which proves he's a thief.
4. why would town have a vault if the main interaction was with town? DoTA flipped only a 1-shot steal iirc.
the conclusion is that he could be a neutral. being a thief while town has a vault also goes together flavorfully.
disprove me or shut trap
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Tom stole from the auction house n1, yes, definitely. He's a thief, yes - AKA a politician
None of these things make him scum. And I can confirm that he can do precisely 0 damage with the items he has, except to himself.
1. he heisted the map, but hasn't claimed the N2/6th item steal.
2. Shadow willed him everything.
3. he stole Proph's gold, which proves he's a thief.
4. why would town have a vault if the main interaction was with town? DoTA flipped only a 1-shot steal iirc.
the conclusion is that he could be a neutral. being a thief while town has a vault also goes together flavorfully.
disprove me or shut trap
1. Ok?
2. And?
3. Yes?
4. Makes sense, doesn't mean he's scum
Cantri would be a better lynch if we wanted to solve Tom honestly
And this game doesn't revolve around you, he doesn't need to disprove anything. And wuffles is kinda right...
vote: Phraze
sigh, i hate cantri's post so much, hes disconnected from the game and he says that? like omg...
I have a few things to say about you. guess I'll settle it with "I'll make it my goal to lynch you from now on, regardless of your alignment or how confirmed it is".
Remember that time you got all high and mighty at me for apologizing for saying that I pushed you because of a previous game? I remember.
The question to me is, if dawn is scum, where did the night kill go?
we flipped the redirector role, so a redirector item is possible. like with Silver/Cyan.
@Grape
thoughts on this post?
It makes no sense to me. We know there is a redirection item and it's in Wuffles hands. It's the rift of zhar. Her not remembering that is NAI.
I think we all can't remember things. ik by Silver/Cyan and Vezok/Kamikaze that item/ability overlaps are possible though.
if bandages and day doc - both flipped - can co-exist, it is safe to assume that a redirecting item and ability can co-exist (even if idr anything).
if redirecting works the same way as the rift of zhar does mechanically - then nobody would be told that they were redirected. I confirmed this with DV when I got the rift. I've asked about redirection abilities specifically now though.
that was late. I think they should work similarly. compare the bandages and day doc if there is any doubt.
the literal idea of what I'm saying when I avoid asking hosts by principle: instead of having them spoonfeed you every question, figure it out yourself. even with more flips, you still need the host to say something?
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vote: Phraze
sigh, i hate cantri's post so much, hes disconnected from the game and he says that? like omg...
I have a few things to say about you. guess I'll settle it with "I'll make it my goal to lynch you from now on, regardless of your alignment or how confirmed it is".
Remember that time you got all high and mighty at me for apologizing for saying that I pushed you because of a previous game? I remember.
I have a reputation elsewhere already. understandable.
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The worst characters, apparently, were the barons and their direct heirs; at least, most was whispered about these. If of healthier inclinations, it was said, an heir would early and mysteriously die to make way for another more typical scion. There seemed to be an inner cult in the family, presided over by the head of the house, and sometimes closed except to a few members. Temperament rather than ancestry was evidently the basis of this cult, for it was entered by several who married into the family. Lady Margaret Trevor from Cornwall, wife of Godfrey, the second son of the fifth baron, became a favourite bane of children all over the countryside, and the daemon heroine of a particularly horrible old ballad not yet extinct near the Welsh border. Preserved in balladry, too, though not illustrating the same point, is the hideous tale of Lady Mary de la Poer, who shortly after her marriage to the Earl of Shrewsfield was killed by him and his mother, both of the slayers being absolved and blessed by the priest to whom they confessed what they dared not repeat to the world.
There are no recruitment roles either. No further questions about cults or recruitment will be answered unless specifically relevant to the game at hand.
Day 4 Ends June 1st 10 PM PST
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
vote: Phraze
sigh, i hate cantri's post so much, hes disconnected from the game and he says that? like omg...
I have a few things to say about you. guess I'll settle it with "I'll make it my goal to lynch you from now on, regardless of your alignment or how confirmed it is".
Remember that time you got all high and mighty at me for apologizing for saying that I pushed you in pirates because of a previous game? I remember.
I have a reputation elsewhere already. understandable.
Tom stole from the auction house n1, yes, definitely. He's a thief, yes - AKA a politician
None of these things make him scum. And I can confirm that he can do precisely 0 damage with the items he has, except to himself.
1. he heisted the map, but hasn't claimed the N2/6th item steal.
This is important. Because we were told day 2 that auction items were stolen. But for some reason the sixth missing item (as we found out when the second batch of auction house items were made available) wasn't announced.
Who wants to ask the mod? :3
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1. Tom (thief) / Cantrip (neighborizer)
2. Killjoy (bodyguard) / Dawn (tracker)
if one of these lynches flip scum, the other might be nightkilled/townfirmed.
I prefer to lynch Cantrip, while having Tom nightkilled/townfirmed. I'm somewhat proven mechanically, while Tom has nothing to show for his slot (other than heist + thief).
we can still solve some of Killjoy/Dawn along the way:
Killjoy should bodyguard Dawn who tracks Grape.
if the NK goes onto anyone else, it should help the PoE.
even if the NK is Tom who's gonna pocketwatch me, no harm done and I'll still be questioned .-.
on the side I guess Terry can shoot Last. we'll have a record of spite-killing lel jk it's not worth it
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Tom stole from the auction house n1, yes, definitely. He's a thief, yes - AKA a politician
None of these things make him scum. And I can confirm that he can do precisely 0 damage with the items he has, except to himself.
1. he heisted the map, but hasn't claimed the N2/6th item steal.
This is important. Because we were told day 2 that auction items were stolen. But for some reason the sixth missing item (as we found out when the second batch of auction house items were made available) wasn't announced.
Who wants to ask the mod? :3
lol not me for sure..
I think Silver sorted that out already though. 3 items were confirmed stolen, with 2 pre-releases (5 items total were stolen), and uhh actually I think it was N3 that the 6th item was stolen.
on the side, thank you hosts for confirming things
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@Grapefruit & others
about you and the salt in ZE, I'm not sure what I did to warrant the hate, since you pushed all 3 town to scumread you (not just me). taking advantage of being scum is surprising to hear, and disgusting tbh.... when I'm scum, I know that I'm at the advantage, so I would play all the more considerately. I play for a challenge, not to bully someone (even as town, unsurprisingly).
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not sure who should be best scum here, since it's more thanks to the Grape/Nancy!DV theater that the team sailed. I probably would say DV, since his entire D1 act felt real - even reacting strongly to his scumbuddy's push. Grapes was doing fine, but I guess the personal approach gives him less points in my eyes.
But you would happily turn around and joke about making Wisp a policy lynch.
1. Tom (thief) / Cantrip (neighborizer)
2. Killjoy (bodyguard) / Dawn (tracker)
if one of these lynches flip scum, the other might be nightkilled/townfirmed.
I prefer to lynch Cantrip, while having Tom nightkilled/townfirmed. I'm somewhat proven mechanically, while Tom has nothing to show for his slot (other than heist + thief).
we can still solve some of Killjoy/Dawn along the way:
Killjoy should bodyguard Dawn who tracks Grape.
if the NK goes onto anyone else, it should help the PoE.
even if the NK is Tom who's gonna pocketwatch me, no harm done and I'll still be questioned .-.
on the side I guess Terry can shoot Last. we'll have a record of spite-killing lel jk it's not worth it
KJ bodyguards tom and that solves the tom dying problem. If KJ doesn't and we don't get the results we snap lynch KJ.
if Killjoy is a self-destructing bodyguard, there's also no harm in him targeting me. just saying. DBS/KJ dichotomy disappears in 1 phase, thanks to scum.
Cantrip/Tom are just... there.
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But you would happily turn around and joke about making Wisp a policy lynch.
KJ bodyguards tom and that solves the tom dying problem. If KJ doesn't and we don't get the results we snap lynch KJ.
1. policy-lynching Last is not done out of spite, it is a necessary good. look at his posts since D1.
2. Killjoy bodyguarding Tom does not confirm him though. even if Tom dies, you can confirm me. Cantrip/Tom aren't a distinct dichotomy yet, while me/Killjoy have been almost at each others throats.
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if Killjoy is a self-destructing bodyguard, there's also no harm in him targeting me. just saying. DBS/KJ dichotomy disappears in 1 phase, thanks to scum.
Cantrip/Tom are just... there.
There is the harm of tom getting shot and not knowing what to make of you without the pocketwatch check to see who visited you and catch literal scum. Tom surviving tonight kind of needs to be the highest priority and not lynching KJ ensures that.
if Killjoy is a self-destructing bodyguard, there's also no harm in him targeting me. just saying. DBS/KJ dichotomy disappears in 1 phase, thanks to scum.
Cantrip/Tom are just... there.
There is the harm of tom getting shot and not knowing what to make of you without the pocketwatch check to see who visited you and catch literal scum. Tom surviving tonight kind of needs to be the highest priority and not lynching KJ ensures that.
Which I know you were already for, but you wanted the BG for yourself which isn't as good as having it on tom.
if Killjoy is a self-destructing bodyguard, there's also no harm in him targeting me. just saying. DBS/KJ dichotomy disappears in 1 phase, thanks to scum.
Cantrip/Tom are just... there.
There is the harm of tom getting shot and not knowing what to make of you without the pocketwatch check to see who visited you and catch literal scum. Tom surviving tonight kind of needs to be the highest priority and not lynching KJ ensures that.
we still have you to test me. Tom has nothing to confirm his alignment, but his results are much more believable with Cantrip's flip.
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But you would happily turn around and joke about making Wisp a policy lynch.
KJ bodyguards tom and that solves the tom dying problem. If KJ doesn't and we don't get the results we snap lynch KJ.
2. Killjoy bodyguarding Tom does not confirm him though. even if Tom dies, you can confirm me. Cantrip/Tom aren't a distinct dichotomy yet, while me/Killjoy have been almost at each others throats.
Wut? Lynching Cantrip either confirms tom or lynches scum. Tom has the pocketwatch. Last night you were visited by scum who hasn't claimed it (triggering your lucky coin protection) tom pocketwatching you catches that scum member. KJ protecting tom ensures tom survives to relay his results to us tomorrow. We don't need you to be alive for those results to be helpful.
If tom dies despite KJ being knowing he needs to protect him more than literally anything else in this game then we know beyond a shadow of a doubt KJ is lying. If tom lives we catch scum.
if Killjoy is a self-destructing bodyguard, there's also no harm in him targeting me. just saying. DBS/KJ dichotomy disappears in 1 phase, thanks to scum.
Cantrip/Tom are just... there.
There is the harm of tom getting shot and not knowing what to make of you without the pocketwatch check to see who visited you and catch literal scum. Tom surviving tonight kind of needs to be the highest priority and not lynching KJ ensures that.
we still have you to test me. Tom has nothing to confirm his alignment, but his results are much more believable with Cantrip's flip.
Me testing you doesn't catch the scum that triggered your lucky coin last night.
If people are so desperate to use the vig tonight then use it on me and don't bother testing DBS's track because tom will solve it anyway. And if Cantrip flips scum like I suspect he will and tom isn't clear he either is town and catches scum, or is scum and is caught in an impossible position.
Don't waste a lynch on KJ/DBS when they both have good reasons to be alive tonight and can be resolved by night actions. Lynch Cantrip or if that is so unacceptable lynch me instead and close off that part of the PoE.
@Wisp I love you and your posts are not useless. Yes you get confused and run with your confusion but you also try really hard and are humble and those are great qualities.
But you would happily turn around and joke about making Wisp a policy lynch.
KJ bodyguards tom and that solves the tom dying problem. If KJ doesn't and we don't get the results we snap lynch KJ.
2. Killjoy bodyguarding Tom does not confirm him though. even if Tom dies, you can confirm me. Cantrip/Tom aren't a distinct dichotomy yet, while me/Killjoy have been almost at each others throats.
Wut? Lynching Cantrip either confirms tom or lynches scum. Tom has the pocketwatch. Last night you were visited by scum who hasn't claimed it (triggering your lucky coin protection) tom pocketwatching you catches that scum member. KJ protecting tom ensures tom survives to relay his results to us tomorrow. We don't need you to be alive for those results to be helpful.
If tom dies despite KJ being knowing he needs to protect him more than literally anything else in this game then we know beyond a shadow of a doubt KJ is lying. If tom lives we catch scum.
to the invisible 1. I guess you misunderstood me to have ignored it. understandable.
2. we don't need me alive yeah, just only for the results. but have we confirmed Tom is town though? why didn't he just let Wuffles or Terry take it instead? clinging on to the pocketwatch is like the only reason we're leaving him alive tbh
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to the invisible 1. I guess you misunderstood me to have ignored it. understandable.
2. we don't need me alive yeah, just only for the results. but have we confirmed Tom is town though? why didn't he just let Wuffles or Terry take it instead? clinging on to the pocketwatch is like the only reason we're leaving him alive tbh
Well no I was trying to tactfully ignore it because if your further comment that it wasn't a joke is true then I don't have anything to say that I can say without drawing the ire of the mods. Simply put it's not acceptable.
Back to the game Tom survives this day phase in 100% of worlds. He never gets killed before Cantrip. But tom is in a spot where he either has to give us scum with his results or he immediately dies. Let me walk you through the worlds as I see them.
town!tom targets you and sees that in addition to wuffles you were visited by KJ. We now lynch KJ who is scum. Hooray!
town!tom targets you and sees that no one other than wuffles targeted you. We lynch you. You flip scum. Hooray!
Scum!tom lies and we lynch is target. They were town. Boo! We lynch or vig tom, he flips scum! Hooray!
Scum!tom busses a teammate saying they targeted you and we lynch scum. Hooray!
2. we don't need me alive yeah, just only for the results. but have we confirmed Tom is town though? why didn't he just let Wuffles or Terry take it instead? clinging on to the pocketwatch is like the only reason we're leaving him alive tbh
I'll also say.. we have the AH mechanic, where we can put things up for auction. there's no excuse for Tom to hold on to the pocketwatch like he did, when he isn't townfirmed. it's not in town's best interest at all
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2. we don't need me alive yeah, just only for the results. but have we confirmed Tom is town though? why didn't he just let Wuffles or Terry take it instead? clinging on to the pocketwatch is like the only reason we're leaving him alive tbh
I'll also say.. we have the AH mechanic, where we can put things up for auction. there's no excuse for Tom to hold on to the pocketwatch like he did, when he isn't townfirmed. it's not in town's best interest at all
You seem desperate to discredit tom all of a sudden.
@Grapefruit
#5652:
I guess you should keep in mind that I keep things in the game then. I think I even mentioned in ZE that I can reopen a game and get all the feelings of frustration back. in other words, I can easily separate feelings on a case by case basis. no worries
#5653:
when have I expressed trust in Tom, even in the slightest?
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1. he heisted the map, but hasn't claimed the N2/6th item steal.
2. Shadow willed him everything.
3. he stole Proph's gold, which proves he's a thief.
4. why would town have a vault if the main interaction was with town? DoTA flipped only a 1-shot steal iirc.
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Sure but he is self resolving at this point. He either gives us the scum who targets you and we lynch them or he lies, we mislynch one person and then correctly lynch him.
4. Also Dota is confirmed two shots. Plus the vault allows items to be removed so they aren't willed to people if you're unsure of who to trust. Same with my Chruch Vaults ability.
1. isn't incriminating.
2. is wine
3. is him stealing from scum
And again he has to give us scum from his pocketwatch watch or he gets lynched immediately. So there is no point in worrying about trusting or not trusting him now unless you have something to fear from him watching you.
Sure but he is self resolving at this point. He either gives us the scum who targets you and we lynch them or he lies, we mislynch one person and then correctly lynch him.
4. Also Dota is confirmed two shots. Plus the vault allows items to be removed so they aren't willed to people if you're unsure of who to trust. Same with my Chruch Vaults ability.
1. isn't incriminating.
2. is wine
3. is him stealing from scum
And again he has to give us scum from his pocketwatch watch or he gets lynched immediately. So there is no point in worrying about trusting or not trusting him now unless you have something to fear from him watching you.
I see. fair enough. do we have the numbers for it?
and I don't see why you had to include "unless you have something to fear from him watching you". calm down please~
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He probably included that because the more you post today, the more you seem like scum. You appear to be actively opposed to every plan we come up with to try to solve the game. It's really disconcerting.
He probably included that because the more you post today, the more you seem like scum. You appear to be actively opposed to every plan we come up with to try to solve the game. It's really disconcerting.
my plan works though. Tom isn't gonna be confirmed by anything, but I can be confirmed either way (unless scum have 2 NKs). resolving NAs by confirmation is more helpful to PoE than getting fake results to delay a correct lynch. the plan everyone is advocating for is too long-distance, and scumsided.
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Sure but he is self resolving at this point. He either gives us the scum who targets you and we lynch them or he lies, we mislynch one person and then correctly lynch him.
4. Also Dota is confirmed two shots. Plus the vault allows items to be removed so they aren't willed to people if you're unsure of who to trust. Same with my Chruch Vaults ability.
1. isn't incriminating.
2. is wine
3. is him stealing from scum
And again he has to give us scum from his pocketwatch watch or he gets lynched immediately. So there is no point in worrying about trusting or not trusting him now unless you have something to fear from him watching you.
I see. fair enough. do we have the numbers for it?
and I don't see why you had to include "unless you have something to fear from him watching you". calm down please~
Only way we don't have the numbers is if it's two living scum, and an SK, and we mislynch toDay, and misvig toNight, and we lose people to the mask via sanity death.
And I added it because I had to repeat myself about 7 times for you to grasp that tom has to give us scum or die. You ignoring/not understanding that and worrying about not being able to trust tom makes me think that you were actively trying to discredit him.
He probably included that because the more you post today, the more you seem like scum. You appear to be actively opposed to every plan we come up with to try to solve the game. It's really disconcerting.
my plan works though. Tom isn't gonna be confirmed by anything, but I can be confirmed either way (unless scum have 2 NKs). resolving NAs by confirmation is more helpful to PoE than getting fake results to delay a correct lynch. the plan everyone is advocating for is too long-distance, and scumsided.
But your plan is actively avoiding trying to catch the scum who targeted you last night. And doesn't really do anything other than give you a chance to prove you can track which incriminates KJ. It unlike the rest of the plans doesn't find out who targeted you and triggered your coin and is 100% scum. Or fabricated. Which is what I believe at this point.
Only way we don't have the numbers is if it's two living scum, and an SK, and we mislynch toDay, and misvig toNight, and we lose people to the mask via sanity death.
And I added it because I had to repeat myself about 7 times for you to grasp that tom has to give us scum or die. You ignoring/not understanding that and worrying about not being able to trust tom makes me think that you were actively trying to discredit him.
1. it would be wise to consider the worst-case scenario then. Killjoy bodyguarding me to say "truth or not" resolves the lynch between us, while Cantrip's lynch can help us place Tom (not clear, mind you).
2. what if Tom just claims being tampered with? there is no 2 ways around that kind of solution. hmmm but ok. if you're misreading anything, I don't trust Tom unless proven otherwise. all the info he's given makes him more and more suspicious .-.
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He probably included that because the more you post today, the more you seem like scum. You appear to be actively opposed to every plan we come up with to try to solve the game. It's really disconcerting.
my plan works though. Tom isn't gonna be confirmed by anything, but I can be confirmed either way (unless scum have 2 NKs). resolving NAs by confirmation is more helpful to PoE than getting fake results to delay a correct lynch. the plan everyone is advocating for is too long-distance, and scumsided.
But your plan is actively avoiding trying to catch the scum who targeted you last night. And doesn't really do anything other than give you a chance to prove you can track which incriminates KJ. It unlike the rest of the plans doesn't find out who targeted you and triggered your coin and is 100% scum. Or fabricated. Which is what I believe at this point.
I stilllll don't see how my results incriminates Killjoy. even if I can prove I can track, it doesn't change the fact I'm not voting him now. and I already proven I can track since Rhand
I suspect Killjoy for different reasons, which everyone doesn't agree with, so this seems like a good compromise
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Only way we don't have the numbers is if it's two living scum, and an SK, and we mislynch toDay, and misvig toNight, and we lose people to the mask via sanity death.
And I added it because I had to repeat myself about 7 times for you to grasp that tom has to give us scum or die. You ignoring/not understanding that and worrying about not being able to trust tom makes me think that you were actively trying to discredit him.
1. it would be wise to consider the worst-case scenario then. Killjoy bodyguarding me to say "truth or not" resolves the lynch between us, while Cantrip's lynch can help us place Tom (not clear, mind you).
2. what if Tom just claims being tampered with? there is no 2 ways around that kind of solution. hmmm but ok. if you're misreading anything, I don't trust Tom unless proven otherwise. all the info he's given makes him more and more suspicious .-.
We can avoid the worst case scenario by not vigging which I have advocated for.
And I don't believe there is an ability or item that says "target a player, that player's results will be false that night." I know you do given the way you've handled the KJ mess but I refuse to believe that item exists.
Lastly KJ BG'ing you resolves nothing. What if scum don't shoot at you and hit him? Then it does nothing.
And I misunderstood. If tom claims he was blocked or otherwise interfered with we'll have a super narrow pool to look at because of the way we're distributing items today so most players will have a item and ability that they are expected to use and prove.
None of these things make him scum. And I can confirm that he can do precisely 0 damage with the items he has, except to himself.
Lets put this together:
Grape: Doesnt want killjoy to get lynched
Cyan: Wants Killjoy to get lynched
Phraze: Created a dichotomy with her claim, is still voting Cantra
RE: Doesnt seem to care
Tom: Defends Cantri, and wants to lynch killjoy, his vote is still sitting on phraze unless im missing another vote change
Killjoy: well I forgot where his vote is, but im assuming phraze?
Cantri: Voting killjoy, but the post where he votes killjoy is just overall bad
Rhand: IDK been pretty lurky as of late
Wuffles: Ok with lynching killjoy thanks to Cyan
ME: Well ima a mess
Terry: Still dont know who vanallized him? and still not voting? i think?
what kind of game has a requirement where you need to ask the host to get an answer?
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2. Shadow willed him everything.
3. he stole Proph's gold, which proves he's a thief.
4. why would town have a vault if the main interaction was with town? DoTA flipped only a 1-shot steal iirc.
the conclusion is that he could be a neutral. being a thief while town has a vault also goes together flavorfully.
disprove me or shut trap
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1. Ok?
2. And?
3. Yes?
4. Makes sense, doesn't mean he's scum
Cantri would be a better lynch if we wanted to solve Tom honestly
And this game doesn't revolve around you, he doesn't need to disprove anything. And wuffles is kinda right...
Remember that time you got all high and mighty at me for apologizing for saying that I pushed you because of a previous game? I remember.
if bandages and day doc - both flipped - can co-exist, it is safe to assume that a redirecting item and ability can co-exist (even if idr anything).
that was late. I think they should work similarly. compare the bandages and day doc if there is any doubt.
the literal idea of what I'm saying when I avoid asking hosts by principle: instead of having them spoonfeed you every question, figure it out yourself. even with more flips, you still need the host to say something?
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
The worst characters, apparently, were the barons and their direct heirs; at least, most was whispered about these. If of healthier inclinations, it was said, an heir would early and mysteriously die to make way for another more typical scion. There seemed to be an inner cult in the family, presided over by the head of the house, and sometimes closed except to a few members. Temperament rather than ancestry was evidently the basis of this cult, for it was entered by several who married into the family. Lady Margaret Trevor from Cornwall, wife of Godfrey, the second son of the fifth baron, became a favourite bane of children all over the countryside, and the daemon heroine of a particularly horrible old ballad not yet extinct near the Welsh border. Preserved in balladry, too, though not illustrating the same point, is the hideous tale of Lady Mary de la Poer, who shortly after her marriage to the Earl of Shrewsfield was killed by him and his mother, both of the slayers being absolved and blessed by the priest to whom they confessed what they dared not repeat to the world.
Killjoy (5) – Cyan, Wuffles_II, Rhand, Cantripmancer, RE1031
Cantripmancer (3) – Grapefruit21, dawningbluesky, Lastwhisper
dawningbluesky (1) – Tomsloger
Not voting: Killjoy, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
There are no recruitment roles either. No further questions about cults or recruitment will be answered unless specifically relevant to the game at hand.
Day 4 Ends June 1st 10 PM PST
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Uh-huh. Sure. Those words make a sentence.
This is important. Because we were told day 2 that auction items were stolen. But for some reason the sixth missing item (as we found out when the second batch of auction house items were made available) wasn't announced.
Who wants to ask the mod? :3
on the side I guess Terry can shoot Last. we'll have a record of spite-killing lel
jk it's not worth itBe grateful, always."
I think Silver sorted that out already though. 3 items were confirmed stolen, with 2 pre-releases (5 items total were stolen), and uhh actually I think it was N3 that the 6th item was stolen.
on the side, thank you hosts for confirming things
Be grateful, always."
But you would happily turn around and joke about making Wisp a policy lynch.
KJ bodyguards tom and that solves the tom dying problem. If KJ doesn't and we don't get the results we snap lynch KJ.
Cantrip/Tom are just... there.
Be grateful, always."
2. Killjoy bodyguarding Tom does not confirm him though. even if Tom dies, you can confirm me. Cantrip/Tom aren't a distinct dichotomy yet, while me/Killjoy have been almost at each others throats.
Be grateful, always."
There is the harm of tom getting shot and not knowing what to make of you without the pocketwatch check to see who visited you and catch literal scum. Tom surviving tonight kind of needs to be the highest priority and not lynching KJ ensures that.
Which I know you were already for, but you wanted the BG for yourself which isn't as good as having it on tom.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Wut? Lynching Cantrip either confirms tom or lynches scum. Tom has the pocketwatch. Last night you were visited by scum who hasn't claimed it (triggering your lucky coin protection) tom pocketwatching you catches that scum member. KJ protecting tom ensures tom survives to relay his results to us tomorrow. We don't need you to be alive for those results to be helpful.
If tom dies despite KJ being knowing he needs to protect him more than literally anything else in this game then we know beyond a shadow of a doubt KJ is lying. If tom lives we catch scum.
Me testing you doesn't catch the scum that triggered your lucky coin last night.
If people are so desperate to use the vig tonight then use it on me and don't bother testing DBS's track because tom will solve it anyway. And if Cantrip flips scum like I suspect he will and tom isn't clear he either is town and catches scum, or is scum and is caught in an impossible position.
Don't waste a lynch on KJ/DBS when they both have good reasons to be alive tonight and can be resolved by night actions. Lynch Cantrip or if that is so unacceptable lynch me instead and close off that part of the PoE.
@Wisp I love you and your posts are not useless. Yes you get confused and run with your confusion but you also try really hard and are humble and those are great qualities.
I can't use both the Looking Glass and the tablet tomorrow.
Can't they just watch tom?
2. we don't need me alive yeah, just only for the results. but have we confirmed Tom is town though? why didn't he just let Wuffles or Terry take it instead? clinging on to the pocketwatch is like the only reason we're leaving him alive tbh
Be grateful, always."
That's fine then but I still think my plan solves KJ without using our lynch today or our Vig tonight on him.
Be grateful, always."
Well no I was trying to tactfully ignore it because if your further comment that it wasn't a joke is true then I don't have anything to say that I can say without drawing the ire of the mods. Simply put it's not acceptable.
Back to the game Tom survives this day phase in 100% of worlds. He never gets killed before Cantrip. But tom is in a spot where he either has to give us scum with his results or he immediately dies. Let me walk you through the worlds as I see them.
town!tom targets you and sees that in addition to wuffles you were visited by KJ. We now lynch KJ who is scum. Hooray!
town!tom targets you and sees that no one other than wuffles targeted you. We lynch you. You flip scum. Hooray!
Scum!tom lies and we lynch is target. They were town. Boo! We lynch or vig tom, he flips scum! Hooray!
Scum!tom busses a teammate saying they targeted you and we lynch scum. Hooray!
Be grateful, always."
You seem desperate to discredit tom all of a sudden.
#5652:
I guess you should keep in mind that I keep things in the game then. I think I even mentioned in ZE that I can reopen a game and get all the feelings of frustration back. in other words, I can easily separate feelings on a case by case basis. no worries
#5653:
when have I expressed trust in Tom, even in the slightest?
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
4. Also Dota is confirmed two shots. Plus the vault allows items to be removed so they aren't willed to people if you're unsure of who to trust. Same with my Chruch Vaults ability.
1. isn't incriminating.
2. is wine
3. is him stealing from scum
And again he has to give us scum from his pocketwatch watch or he gets lynched immediately. So there is no point in worrying about trusting or not trusting him now unless you have something to fear from him watching you.
and I don't see why you had to include "unless you have something to fear from him watching you". calm down please~
Be grateful, always."
I hope there isn't cuz that would bring back bad memories lolBe grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Only way we don't have the numbers is if it's two living scum, and an SK, and we mislynch toDay, and misvig toNight, and we lose people to the mask via sanity death.
And I added it because I had to repeat myself about 7 times for you to grasp that tom has to give us scum or die. You ignoring/not understanding that and worrying about not being able to trust tom makes me think that you were actively trying to discredit him.
But your plan is actively avoiding trying to catch the scum who targeted you last night. And doesn't really do anything other than give you a chance to prove you can track which incriminates KJ. It unlike the rest of the plans doesn't find out who targeted you and triggered your coin and is 100% scum. Or fabricated. Which is what I believe at this point.
1. it would be wise to consider the worst-case scenario then. Killjoy bodyguarding me to say "truth or not" resolves the lynch between us, while Cantrip's lynch can help us place Tom (not clear, mind you).
2. what if Tom just claims being tampered with? there is no 2 ways around that kind of solution. hmmm but ok. if you're misreading anything, I don't trust Tom unless proven otherwise. all the info he's given makes him more and more suspicious .-.
Be grateful, always."
I suspect Killjoy for different reasons, which everyone doesn't agree with, so this seems like a good compromise
Be grateful, always."
We can avoid the worst case scenario by not vigging which I have advocated for.
And I don't believe there is an ability or item that says "target a player, that player's results will be false that night." I know you do given the way you've handled the KJ mess but I refuse to believe that item exists.
Lastly KJ BG'ing you resolves nothing. What if scum don't shoot at you and hit him? Then it does nothing.
Be grateful, always."