@Shin 175 is the main one. He earlier calls Last his top town read nakedly and defends it there.
I have seen scum call for a mass claim. I've also seen town call for it. Here I think it was town because I've only seen scum do it when it would be widely seen as beneficial to town, and the way he did it felt like his natural typing voice. See my post 248 for more on that.
As for town reads Rhand is asking great questions and is seeing the game in a way that feels town to me. Very inquisitive. And I felt our interaction over mechanics was natural. On Proph his entry felt like his town game. He might not stick to it, but this is the way he plays as town. As for you; you read exactly like you did in Zero Escape. Completely lacking guile and probing. You're curious and willing to listen to both sides of any argument and are moving your positions around as the information you receive develops.
On your proposal: it's fine to brush it off and just say we disagree, but both of our proposals require widespread town agreement. So just shrugging and saying "agree to disagree it's just mechanics" doesn't really finish the discussion. Why do you think it's valuable for people to out themselves for voting first on an item when they were speculating about what it would do?
On Vezok and the first voter being sinister; I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying the actions on their own without nefarious behavior to tie it to are not nefarious. If Vezok didn't sound so natural I'd be pushing him. His proposal is why my RVS landed on him. But I liked his reaction to my pressure. On the other one, who knows? It's a blind bid number. I have nothing to read them on so I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. Once that bid number is tied to a player I'll reassess.
Ya idk how anyone can nakedly defend wisp seeing as how everygame he gets scum read really easily and mostly for weird reasons which is the opposite right now for KJ read on him. I don't agree with the read at all, but i can say for sure if either or flips scum i will pursue the other with great prejudice maybe idk XD. I can see all the MS players getting riled up by the read cause its something no ones used to, the read itself is empty but from the psot you linked it seemed like even he was questioning his own read on wisp which is so weird. I would not mind pushing KJ into at the least L2 for a better reaction.
OK I just wanted to make sure you experienced both before u just brushed off the possibility that the other could exist. I havent played with vezo enough to agree or disagree with that read on his typing, I still cant accurately deduce what alignment vezo is when suggesting this mass claim. I feel like it kinda benefits scum more than town because like i mentioned before it gives them targets.
Only other game i played with rhand i got lynched on day 1 as scum smh,I however agree that his tone does give some good vibes but i aint ready yet to say hes a town lean. Only my 2nd time experiencing rhand and i dont want to get pulled in by town like questions he seems to be asking. Well i am the same aligment as that game so i can see why, until phraze starts hounding me Peers overs at phraze,I feel like ISO entrance felt more natural than anyhting so far. Atlaest compared to the zero escape where he came in being arrogant.
The person who voted an item most likely thought hard and clear why they wanted it, so why not them to get the item. That way we know who has it and if anything it would be clear of their intentions based on their interactions throughout the phase. I do have to say your right, and if i have to end up going with your idea over my i will do so for the greater good of town.
I still feel like if anything vezo could have done that as either alignment so i am kinda weary of him, i will let the later days decide what i will do with him. Also explain where he sounded natural?
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"Sir Shinichi, I have mostly glossed over the musings of the players who are in unfamiliar terrain, here. Their stances have not had a major impact on my psyche, and I am largely waiting for some profound wave to be made before I make an assessment one way or the other, as the 'fish out of water' syndrome tends to detrimentally affect my ability to properly analyze newer players. In short: I am waiting to formulate an opinion.
When you refer to 'the idea', are you speaking of the mass auction claim? Because I believe I made my thoughts on the matter - and Mister Vezokpiraka - quite clear. I would advise you to read through the minutes as the times I have spoken, while not great in number, have been quite profound in the content therein. I do not know to what your question about Mister Grapefruit is referring.
Fair enough i was just curious as to what you thought of them since you havent seen their play before this game.
Morn concerned on why, saw u speak of the idea but i couldnt really noticed a base idea of why your against the idea unless i skiped over major details.
Gf theory of having people vote on who should be allowed to bid on the items, atleast i believe gf was the first to bring it up.
"Ah. My primary reason for not wanting any of these things revealed is because it tells those who would see us dead exactly who they need to kill to make their plans work. With regards to Mister Grapefruit's theory, I think that is also a terrible idea, for the exact same reason, and I believe the manner in which he proposed it juxtaposes our best interests."
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@Shinichi: The second person to use a gimmick is more likely to be scum than the first one, but it's not really an alignment tell. I'm still trying to figure Iso out, I'm not really sure what his alignment could be.
@Iso: Last scum game and town game?
Also Cyan appears to be town for now. Grape is acting very strange, but not necessarily in a scummy way.
As for my "conftown" comment: Of course I consider the possibility that terry is scum, but it think it has such a miniscule chance that it's not worth thinking about, at least at this stage of the game.
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"Mister Vezokpiraka, my latest tangle with the town was Zero Escape Mafia. As for the flip side of the coin, I seem to recall that being Disinheiritance."
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After reading both games I come to the conclusion that Iso is probably scum. His play here looks nothing like Zero Escape and is almost identical to Disinheritence.
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Are we seeing a townbloc of Iso/Chris/Cyan/GJ?
Because I am so down for that this game.
I want to make a note that this post in Disinheritance was only scum and one town. So Iso is not afraid to buddy to his scumbuddies.
Vote Iso
I will make a compelling case in a few days as I'm swamped with work until Thursday.
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Ok, got through the first two pages. Liking Atog, Kami, Terry, Proph, Rhand, Shin, and Grape, the latter of which I'm mindmelding with a lot so far.
A few quick questions (with apologies if these have been discussed in pages 3-current) and responses:
@DBS: Why the sudden vote on my slot in 94?
@Grape: Why the sudden vote on DisplayName in 97?
@Terry: Town.
@Those Asking Which Newcomers I'm Most Interested In: I'll let you know when I get fully caught up, but so far I'm enjoying the two posts from Gwendolly. Seems like s/he's enjoying her/himself.
I'm torn on Vezok's AH numbers claim idea. At first I was suspicious that he didn't list his reasons in his opening post as he could be scum trolling for good responses to agree to later, but then I figured he was just trying to not let his ideas influence others...but so far I don't think he's actually said what his reasons for and against are, so I guess I'll wait and see if he does. I'm leaning away from claiming because right now scum have to glean info to guide their kills from what we post. If we claim the AH numbers, they have that added benefit of knowing that Player X got a powerful item, which could impact their kill choice. I think we keep it in the dark until we identify definite pros. But I'm still debating the idea.
As for Grape's reservations about the logs and blacklist, I can see his point, but I'm not sure the fears are well founded. We don't even know what the items do. I feel like his plan to nominate a likely town to receive the items if they get auctioned is a) dependent on us picking correctly and no deep wolves among us (and I *know* several players here are good deep wolves), and b) has the side effect of forcing a player to expend his funds a certain way, which could be used nefariously. I think Grape's motivations are more likely town, but I don't know that his proposal will work out as well as he wants it to. I'm ok with those items just staying off the block.
More to come when it's not 2am and I have to get up in...smh...four hours.
@Shin that is not remotely my proposal. I only suggested we vte on who can bid on an item if it's something disastrous for town like the logs. Normally I do not people to reveal anything.
As for Vezok I agree his idea was good for scum. That's why I pushed him on it. But I'm not of the opinion that he's scum for that. That's kind of been the main point of my posts, and my comparison to Pirates where he also made suggestslions earnestly that I thought hurt his win con. Though this reactionary post against Iso has me wondering if he is scum after all. Iso here reads almost nothing like Disinheritance. And Zero Escape was a huge outlier in Iso's meta.
Shin did you typo into an accidental scum claim in 266?
@Iso What do you think my proposals are? They have been misunderstood more than once.
@Vezok try reading the most recent invitational game or Jarrasic Park Adventure 2 for a better idea of town Iso. ZE isn't a remotely representative game for him imo.
@Cantrip you are correct about the drawbacks of my plan and much prefer just never having them go for auction now that Terry has confirmed the logs assign numbers to players. It's just a contingency for if an item that would be disastrous for town goes up. And if the agreememt is in place minimal funds would need to be used (which is still a significant commitment.
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"What absolute twaddle. Mister Vezokpiraka is panicked. I am closing in on him and his team, and he reeks of fear. Destroy him immediately."
Closing in on me and my team? Have you even expressed suspicion of anyone else except me?
@grape: Scum Iso in Inheritance pushed for lynching Bur (who was town) day 1 with the exact same attitude of not really giving reasons and just blindly tunneling.
Even if Zero Escape was not typical town Iso, he didn't appear to jump to conclusions and he doubted himself, while also having multiple reads.
Maybe I'm just seeing similarities where they don't exist, but I'll comb the games you suggested.
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"Clearly Mister Vezokpiraka is not reading my posts, else he would know the answer to his question. He would also know that I have presented reasons against him. Surely anybody who thinks he is well-intentioned at this point must have been driven mad by Eldritch visions."
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@Iso You said my proposals are "a terrible idea" in reply to shinichi. Implying you thought it was bad for revealing information. I'm pushing to not reveal information before D3 unless an item that is disastrous for town goes up for auction at which point we in a limited fashion reveal a small amount of information.
So given you implied I was advocating revealing information I was wondering what you thought my theories were.
Also Vote: Vezok for claiming to have read 2 games and missing Iso is pushing me is bad.
@Vezok Iso's lack of confidence in ZE is what made it an outlier. He's normally full of bluster and confidence as either alignment.
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@Shadow: I’m fine if you want Proph’s answer first, but:
- why ask Proph?
- why about Iso?
- what is your own take on Iso?
Proph because he came at me somewhat out of the blue. I want to get into his headspace. His post where he ends with voting me is somewhat rambly/disjointed.
About Iso because that’s who asked proph for his suspects in the first place. Sometimes you can catch scum answering questions at face value because they know the person asking them is town or a buddy, regardless of whatever read they’re faking on them. Obviously this isn’t a hard and fast rule, but a temperature gauge I can use to build an understanding of where that person is at. (Because yeah, sometimes townies will answer questions from a suspect as face value as well)
I’m liking Iso; I’m somewhat tentative towards him in general because if Iso is actually bringing his A game then he won’t be an easy read.@Vezok: To go into some depth on Iso, I will absolutely corroborate that the absolute confidence type reads you’re seeing from him are usually present regardless of alignment; to the point that he gets obnoxiously smug about things.
@Shinichi: I don’t mind relevant mechanical discussion, but my comment came at the heels of a bunch of talk that was more ethereal and not actually helpful to either the game state or scum hunting.
@Cyan: Why do you think revealing our bid numbers when buying things is helpful for town?
Vez Even if Zero Escape was not typical town Iso, he didn't appear to jump to conclusions and he doubted himself, while also having multiple reads.
I mean I see what you are saying, but Iso was also scum read heavily for that game, because if his weird mishap with not reading his ability... also why does Iso jumping to conclusions mean hes scum? I will make a compelling case in a few days as I'm swamped with work until Thursday. I look forward to that
Grape
What do you think of Iso's gimmick? has he done something like this before? Also as much as I agree that ZE might be an outlier of a game for Iso, I still think Iso is pushing to see what he wants to see, but idk .
What are these nibbling doubts?
Can anyone of you link that other game? Dissonance, I think? I wanna try and see what Vez sees
Iso
Also gimmicks annoy me... Your posts have absolutely no indication of your voting reasons, and looks simply as though you are supporting any bandwagon that you believe may feasibly gain traction. does it irritate you when people post empty votes? cant remember if you attacked me for that in ZE, because my votes were pretty empty there also... I also find it more fun to see how people react to random votes.
Mister Atog, my reasons for inquiring as to your familiarity with Mister Vezokpiraka are simple. You made it a point to force an interaction between the two of you in a very unnatural-seeming way. Can you elaborate this more? what seems so forced about their convo? also im not used to pre flip association as they get heavily scum read on my home site.
Though I do agree, after playing in my first game here, that answering questions for another is weird...
Also Iso, what do you think this means for Dawn/Vez? W/W V/V or W/V?
Shin
I cant recall, but I think you asked me about Grape? I see nothing that gives me reason to push him closer to scum nor town, so hes relatively neutral.
Cyan ..This is just a million word way of saying that we should reveal who we are when we're bidding on auction items, right? sorry but this just sounds so fake to me
Anyway, can we talk about how badly Bur is scum right now?
And by talk, I mean vote him into oblivion?
@Iso
@Vez
I already seeing similarities between this game, minus the gimmick xD...
@Grape did u even re read this game? As fidgety as Vez seems, I can already see what he means just from the first 2 pages... but I am going to keep reading
@lastwhisper: I hate roleplaying. It adds absolutely nothing to the game for anyone other than the person doing it. I understand that people are allowed to have fun and do what they want with their roles, but roleplaying is just extremely tedious fluff, and is a complete detraction from the game overall for every player in it. The post I quoted was a prime example. It shouldn't take an entire ******* paragraph to say, 'No I don't think we should do that Vezok'.
Vezok is completely flailing right now, but I don't think that's an alignment tell for him, and I still stand by my read of his early posts. Let's hope this goes differently than the last time I defended Vezok and he ended up flipping scum.
Vezok is completely flailing right now, but I don't think that's an alignment tell for him, and I still stand by my read of his early posts. Let's hope this goes differently than the last time I defended Vezok and he ended up flipping scum.
I agree, mostly because I can be like that also, and Iso kinda does resemble his scum self in disinheritance...
also I agree with the role playing *****, Rumanshi, played only talking in Haiku's and called us stupid when we couldnt understand them... Have fun if you want, but I shouldnt need to strain my brain to read peoples' posts.
Just finished skimming over Jurassic Park mafia. Really enjoyable game. I remembered how much I love nacho.
I gathered some posts I thought were interesting in the spoiler below. Didn't glean anything definite from it although the Iso there seems different than the Iso here. You can check for yourself and see.
I will not be moving my vote for the rest of the Day.
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@Regfan: I forget why I'm townreading Pozzai but I probably had a good reason. As for the scum read on Vaimes, he feels frantic and like he's pushing all over the place to see where he gains traction and go from there. It's a gut read on his mindset. With regards to Grapefruit, he feels uncomfortable in a non-townie way. I expect newbtown to be suspicious of everyone but it reads to me like his discomfort stems from an uncertainty of what he needs to be doing, which I don't see being terribly indicative of a town mindset. Town always know what they're supposed to be doing.
Also, your recent posts seem townier than your early stuff so I guess you can be a town lean, now.
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@Typhrous: Ophidia has an extremely bad habit of seeming like scum when he's town. I still haven't found a way to distinguish him as scum simply because I always think he's scum when he's town. That said, I suppose it couldn't hurt for you to check his game history to see what I mean? What are your thoughts on the possibility of Ophidia being scum with X=Y? Also, hi! Did you finally get the fleas to go away?
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@Ophidia: Why do you need to be told to read people in-depth? Don't you care about catching scum?
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@Newcomb: Hi! Let's chat. Also, I think I'm willing to accept your Vaimes read as canon at this point.
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@tom: How do you reconcile my strongest scum read being X=Y and yet you put us as scum together despite his pitiful vote on me?
Does this mean you don't want to be in my townbloc?
Great questions from Iso even if he didn't interact too much with others.
@tom: How do you reconcile my strongest scum read being X=Y and yet you put us as scum together despite his pitiful vote on me?
I don't reconcile that at all. I'm not trying to name the team in any way.
What do you think about Nacho?
I'd also really like you to figure out the reasons for your Pozzai read.
Nacho is a delight and one of my favorite people to play with. I find he tends to have a harder time faking his typical demeanor when he's scum, and as such, I think he's town.
I'm sure you would! I'll probably re-read the game eventually after some flips and re-establish to myself why I'm townreading Pozzai (or start scumreading him, depending). I'll be glad to share if and when that happens.
If you're not trying to name the team, your PoE process could probably use a little refining. Have you tried turning it off and back on again?
Also, you didn't answer my question. Do you want to be part of my townbloc or not?
Hey, xequalsy: Why do you think I was "clearly wrong once"? Vaimes hasn't flipped. Do you expdct me to believe that you've grokked a better understanding of the gamestate than I have at this point when you've pressured absolutely nobody and the best vote you could come up with is on me?
This is Iso pushing for a lynch on townie. Great arguments.
Tom, I completely understand your approach to Iso, and I agree with most of the points you bring up.
There are a few parts where we differ - first of all, Iso as town doesn't start out as a big beautiful shining star in every game that he plays; sometimes he takes a little while to get rolling and dominating as he usually does and he's lazy a good amount of the time until he feels confident about the game.
I don't think his scum game is as bad as you're selling it to be; while scum certainly isn't his stronger alignment he's not completely helpless and has learned to do basic things by virtue of being an experienced player. While I'm certainly not willing to bet the farm that he's town here, I think the 4 scum in a basic thing is probably townier than not and I think that his current "**** you guys, read my mind" mindset is pretty typical of town!Iso.
If I had a bigger and more beautiful town circle, then I'd probably be more inclined to help you sort Iso right now but as it stands it doesn't feel like one of those "everyone is super town" games and so I'm willing to give him a little more room to work, especially when lynching Iso this early on is a pretty high risk low reward situation.
Part of my read on X=Y here stemmed from the way he approached my opening post. Literally everyone else ignored it, and his response was basically, "Plan on providing any content, CC? /loran" I made the post to see if anybody called me out on not saying anything, and from my general experience, I find that the people that tend to do that are more often scum looking like they have something to say than not.
With regards to #226:
X=Y specifically asked about two people that were not him that I listed as scum, which felt like he wanted me to elaborate on the other two reads, as well, but like he was too afraid of looking self-conscious to actually ask about my read on him. He manages to discredit said reads in the same breath. He also brings up Ophidia out of the blue and hard-defends him, there, for things that are more likely to come from scum than town but pretending that isn't the case. Additionally, he refers to Typhrous's actions as "interesting", and his vote on me was absolute garbage - of all the people he can think to vote at that point, he chooses to vote me to explain my reads, rather than asking me and voting for scum? Did he think he was going to be pressuring me? How does that make sense for a vote, contextually? One thing I notice scum often do is vote for things that they shouldn't be voting for. It's actually one of Void's biggest scumtells - he'll ask a question or say something that looks like he's scumhunting but then he'll vote off of it and it will completely have the wrong tone for the situation. That's exactly what X=Y's vote felt like, here. (And if we wanna get really anal about it, it's also a vote that lacks fire, as he votes me, tells me to explain my reads...and then tacks on a "please".)
Hopefully that answers your questions.
Very articulate on why he thinks someone is scum. Not really seeing it in this game, but it took a while to happen in Jurrasic park. Need to read Disinheritance closely and just skim a few posts from Iso to really see something more.
Sure. I think your mindset here comes from scum. Instead of organically developing your reads, you're re-establishing your view of the game in a manner that feels wholly inorganic and focuses only on one particular thing instead of attempting to solve the game. I felt a very abrupt mindset shift from you from your push on me prior seguing into your tom case.
In short, I think you're scum for it.
Obviously wrong conclusion, but at least the arguments are a lot better than what he is presenting here.
I will read Disinheritance tomorrow as I only skimed Iso's iso a bit.
The only thing I figured out from Jurassic Park is that ignoring Iso would be much better for my sanity.
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You seem a bit panicky this game (your mass claim idea was suspect too) and you were scum in your last two games. I'd be really impressed if you rand scum 3 in a row, but I can't let that affect my read on you.
You seem a bit panicky this game (your mass claim idea was suspect too) and you were scum in your last two games. I'd be really impressed if you rand scum 3 in a row, but I can't let that affect my read on you.
@lastwhisper: I hate roleplaying. It adds absolutely nothing to the game for anyone other than the person doing it. I understand that people are allowed to have fun and do what they want with their roles, but roleplaying is just extremely tedious fluff, and is a complete detraction from the game overall for every player in it. The post I quoted was a prime example. It shouldn't take an entire ******* paragraph to say, 'No I don't think we should do that Vezok'.
Vezok is completely flailing right now, but I don't think that's an alignment tell for him, and I still stand by my read of his early posts. Let's hope this goes differently than the last time I defended Vezok and he ended up flipping scum.
Flailing is my state of being.
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Anyway, can we talk about how badly Bur is scum right now?
And by talk, I mean vote him into oblivion?
@Iso
@Vez
I already seeing similarities between this game, minus the gimmick xD...
@Grape did u even re read this game? As fidgety as Vez seems, I can already see what he means just from the first 2 pages... but I am going to keep reading
Bur is on the replacement list, have I missed something?
Also, @Mod/s: 27's vote has been counted twice for the same item but 89's two votes for the same item weren't. Is that correct?
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I messed up with the AH vote count twice. I believe it is now correct.
Additionally, I have been asked this question a couple of times so I will answer it in thread. If a player bids more money then they have their bid will not be counted. Players can not remove bids once they are made. Once bids are made the money is locked until a higher bidder comes along.
As an additional example.
DV has 5 gold. Bids four gold on one item. I can not bid three gold on another item only one.
Anyway, can we talk about how badly Bur is scum right now?
And by talk, I mean vote him into oblivion?
@Iso
@Vez
I already seeing similarities between this game, minus the gimmick xD...
@Grape did u even re read this game? As fidgety as Vez seems, I can already see what he means just from the first 2 pages... but I am going to keep reading
Bur is on the replacement list, have I missed something?
Also, @Mod/s: 27's vote has been counted twice for the same item but 89's two votes for the same item weren't. Is that correct?
Aight, I'm halfway through page 4 now, haha. But I'm done for today. Hmmm, the fact that no one has approached me yet, not even for lurking, irks me tho. Wonder why I am out of the radar. I am observing but you can talk to meeee D: I don't bite (maybe).
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I messed up with the AH vote count twice. I believe it is now correct.
Additionally, I have been asked this question a couple of times so I will answer it in thread. If a player bids more money then they have their bid will not be counted. Players can not remove bids once they are made. Once bids are made the money is locked until a higher bidder comes along.
As an additional example.
DV has 5 gold. Bids four gold on one item. I can not bid three gold on another item only one.
Question for the mod : Suppose we have the following scenario: Person A bids 3 gold. Person B bids 4 gold, but he has only 2 gold, Person C comes along and bids 5 Gold. The mod comes and confirms Person B's bid wasn't legal. Person C kinda got screwed.
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I messed up with the AH vote count twice. I believe it is now correct.
Additionally, I have been asked this question a couple of times so I will answer it in thread. If a player bids more money then they have their bid will not be counted. Players can not remove bids once they are made. Once bids are made the money is locked until a higher bidder comes along.
As an additional example.
DV has 5 gold. Bids four gold on one item. I can not bid three gold on another item only one.
Question for the mod : Suppose we have the following scenario: Person A bids 3 gold. Person B bids 4 gold, but he has only 2 gold, Person C comes along and bids 5 Gold. The mod comes and confirms Person B's bid wasn't legal. Person C kinda got screwed.
... even if it wasnt legal... you still bet... no take backs
Announcement
I messed up with the AH vote count twice. I believe it is now correct.
Additionally, I have been asked this question a couple of times so I will answer it in thread. If a player bids more money then they have their bid will not be counted. Players can not remove bids once they are made. Once bids are made the money is locked until a higher bidder comes along.
As an additional example.
DV has 5 gold. Bids four gold on one item. I can not bid three gold on another item only one.
Question for the mod : Suppose we have the following scenario: Person A bids 3 gold. Person B bids 4 gold, but he has only 2 gold, Person C comes along and bids 5 Gold. The mod comes and confirms Person B's bid wasn't legal. Person C kinda got screwed.
Depending on the situation we may reverse person C's bid entirely or reduce their bid to being the highest.
Ok, so I have a partial claim for you guys. I'm a bit of an appraiser. It's not all of my role, but I can tell you this much: Once a day I can see what an item does. Since the most discussed item has been the Auction Logs I looked into it. It's a one-shot day action that publicly reveals target player's auction number.
I plan on using this each day before item voting occurs and will be open for suggestions... starting tomorrow (since I just burned it today).
sounds legit. I hope we don't have any helpful-to-town scum abilities.
First and most important question: Cursing allowed?
post must be in text and detectable by censors / not truncated. just preview your posts and see what words aren't allowed.
iirc DV used a **** you gif and got a warning for it.
I just make it a point to write properly and not in slang when on this site .-.
Well this is going to be a pain in the ...uhm....buttocks...
Whoever made the point that casual and relaxed doesn't describe Wisp's game as either alignment was onto something.
if you think that was a good point, why aren't you looking for the one who spoke of it? and why did you vote Killjoy? I personally liked his interactions with Iso and assessment of Last. he is eager to find someone to trust, which is a good sign.
This is the post I keep coming back to of Wisp's that feels wrong. He enjoys banter and RVS, but this is forced. It looks nervous about Shin calling him out and pushes back in a way that's more than just Banter. It's a real push back and I don't see town wisp feeling like he has to make that over Shin poking at him over RVS.
why do you say "I don't see town wisp...." when you've admitted to not knowing the difference between Last's town or scum game? do you or do you not know what a town!Last looks like?
Its too early to just trust eachother, in mafia everyones guilty till proven innocent. YOu cant just expect GF or anyone else to just trust someone, thats what interactions are for.
IF anything those wild reactions from kyle are null because ive seen him do them as both and if i read him based on that OOG situations would just cause me to read him as town everytime.
it's too early yeah, but the rapport should be built before the game ends. playing as if we will continue distrusting others, without looking to built rapport, isn't a good idea. guilty till proven innocent is also wrong, because the only way to prove someone is when they're dead, and when do we ever rely on corpses for reads? but to each their own before this becomes unproductive
by Kyle, do you mean Last? it's not an OoG read. he's not restricted by the informed mindset when he reacts wildly, and one of the limitations of an informed mindset is that survival matters most.
Only other game i played with rhand i got lynched on day 1 as scum smh,I however agree that his tone does give some good vibes but i aint ready yet to say hes a town lean. Only my 2nd time experiencing rhand and i dont want to get pulled in by town like questions he seems to be asking. Well i am the same aligment as that game so i can see why, until phraze starts hounding me Peers overs at phraze
should I remind you that you were the one who started hounding me first, because of my claim? '-'
"Mister Grapefruit, I would really rather you cut it out with your non-sequitur voting. Your posts have absolutely no indication of your voting reasons, and looks simply as though you are supporting any bandwagon that you believe may feasibly gain traction. Yet another reason I believe you have nefarious intent."
I agree. the quiet votes, yet focus elsewhere, doesn't say much about his intentions.
because he voted Proph and disappeared, and I was looking for a lead.
@Those Asking Which Newcomers I'm Most Interested In: I'll let you know when I get fully caught up, but so far I'm enjoying the two posts from Gwendolly. Seems like s/he's enjoying her/himself.
I was the one who asked that. thanks.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
@lastwhisper: I hate roleplaying. It adds absolutely nothing to the game for anyone other than the person doing it. I understand that people are allowed to have fun and do what they want with their roles, but roleplaying is just extremely tedious fluff, and is a complete detraction from the game overall for every player in it.
I would not do something that caused all others to suffer. If enough find my speech - and excerpts from my journal - to be aggravating, I will cease; but it is evident that not all find it tedious and a detraction:
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Wow, I kind of want to leave Kami completely off my radar because of his role playing! I'm not going to, but definitely have enjoyed it so far.
dawningbluesky, those words of mine that you quoted are the most obvious and least in-depth of my comments. Why is it those that instill trust, and not the rest?
dawningbluesky, those words of mine that you quoted are the most obvious and least in-depth of my comments. Why is it those that instill trust, and not the rest?
1. it was simple. you wouldn't think too much about a simple response, so it was a chance to look into an unguarded mindset's loyalties.
2. you wanted to get a point across. scum would prefer keeping things 'up in the air'.
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Question for people with more experience than me: how drastically does the game change being this large? I'm already more of a coalition builder than a scum hunter in the first place (though I do both) does the extra size make forming a town circle less valuable? Or the opposite which was my original take, but I've since wavered on.
I personally find it helpful to process the game in groups/chunks and to pay more attention to more specific people later. For Day 1 I'm just more about getting a good threadflow going and making sure that I, myself, am comfortable with the gamestate. It's pretty easy to be overwhelmed when you're dealing with games more than like 16 players so I think it's important to pace yourself.
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"Sir Prophylaxis, I must say that I do not markedly recall those to whom I was referring with regards to pushing Sir Shinichi based on his posting style, but I do not believe Sir Shadowlancerx was one of those people - it was simply a sentiment I recalled hearing as I witnessed the events of this group discussion unfold. If you wish, I can review the minutes to pinpoint exactly to whom I was referring, but ultimately, I expect you would be able to infer for yourself upon a cursory re-read just who those people were. While I don't disagree that Sir Shadowlancerx has not done anything especially indicative action-wise to suggest that he may be on our side, I do not receive a sinister vibe from his machinations; rather, I find his analysis of the situation, while somewhat shallow at present, to be insightful - at least, insofar as it has helped me peer into his mind to determine his allegiances."
I myself can't recall who was pushing Shinchi based off of his posting style if you asked me to name people doing so; I'll do a quick reread of the thread because I have about an hour to dedicate to this game and then get back to you on that.
I just want to poke shadow with a stick and see how he responds. The biggest reason why I'm scumreading him right now has to be post 170, because it's constructed to look like a catchup post and.. is basically devoid of any actual game-related content. It's just a bunch of housekeeping, responses to things, "I'm not a fan of the mechanics discussion going on", and "Can you post a reads list"? Like, what do you think of that post?
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@Proph: It also guages your reactions, which may be of an alignment.
When I asked you that, I didn't actually think maybe THAT question would put me on al alignment for you... but it started a discussion. That was more the point.
OK. What is your read on me right now?
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What feeling are you getting from Iso so far?
I like how Iso is playing so far (his roleplaying + his general approach to things seems less self-centered than what I normally expect out of him). I feel like he's also being more transparent with his thoughts and actions. Why are you asking me about.. Iso?
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I'm still waiting for an answer from Proph and will explain later.
I'll take a look at dawning once I finish my catch up.
“Perhaps I am misremembering; but were you not advocating for a massclaim at some point?”
Yes but not before D3. If you're opposed to that one then fire away. You just seemed to be replying to Shinichi's misunderstanding so I thought you did as well.
@Vezok The bluster in those quotes you highlighted is kind of my point. Iso is normally unfailingly confident as either alignment. JPA2 he loses that a bit later on, but as you point out he's supremely confident D1 to the point of yoloVigging me. That's the town Iso I'm seeing here.
@Wisp I'd refer you to the above as well. Reading Iso as scum for being confident is silly. ZE is the only game of his I've read where he show's serious trepidation consistently and was scum read for it. Also he was town in ZE which you maybe kind of implied otherwise.
@DBS I did later seek out who said it (Togs) and agreed with him. As for highlighting why I voted KJ that quoted explained it. I thought his read on Wisp was very fake. He's looking for someone to trust, but using "fake" reasoning to find them. Which is what makes KJ scummy.
On reading Wisp I think I have a better idea of how to read him now than I did in ZE. Still not confident, but more than I used to be.
@Gwendolly You can be irked but I don't like to engage with people who are totally absent. Now that you're here I'm enjoying reading your posts and want more from you. Thoughts on KJ and Yurkin when you're fully caught up please.
I’m afraid I don’t really know Last as well as you seem to think, the only games I think were the one where everyone was town and a micro where he was newb scum, both were early games from him and seeing how much he plays I’d assume he’s improved a lot since then ? TBH I’ve been out of the game for a while in general and right now I’m not fully confident in my own ability to read other people’s meta. I’m actually kind of hoping this is the game that lets me start getting grips on people’s metas again.
As for Shinichi, to be honest he feels different to me.. from both his town and scum games ? I seem to remember him always having some kind of huge argument with someone early on and then posting these giant 12+ post stream of consciousness reactions and he seems to not really be doing those things here. This may be because of the different setting (MARATHON NOT A SPRINT) or just a personality shift in general but it’s not something I could get a meta read on. But I will say I like his activity in the thread and his questions and he’s a town lean for me based on that.
Ah ok, I thought you were more acquainted with Last than I was because I think my only experience with him was.. the roller coaster of a scum game where we power wolfed and Last just was very very right at the end there.
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I can agree with this list for light townreads. What are your thoughts about Phraze ?
I swear that this is the third time people have asked me this question.
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@Proph: Thoughts on Phraze?
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-What do you think of vaimes and DBS?
I now see what Iso means when he says he hates people asking him the same question multiple times
(will get to this, please have patience. Though I am interested as to exactly /why/ people are asking me for my thoughts on dawningbluesky?)
Togs's post 223 is pretty good IMO.
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yes, scum!Last is easy to read. he tends to act out of pressure to perform, even when no pressure is placed yet. as town, he just swims the way he wants.
Thanks for the meta insight, will keep it in mind.
First good use of color here.
Second I explain my red flags about your alignment here. As DBS has pointed out your scum game tends to be on edge and reacts forcefully to any perception of pressure, and that's exactly what I'm seeing in the quoted post. A very out of proportion defensive reaction.
First good use of color here.
Second I explain my red flags about your alignment here. As DBS has pointed out your scum game tends to be on edge and reacts forcefully to any perception of pressure, and that's exactly what I'm seeing in the quoted post. A very out of proportion defensive reaction.
Two things: 1 I'm not convinced. I've seen you and Shin banter and the difference I'm seeing here is you kind of address his points rather than brushing them off. I'd expect you to just call them weak and poke at him over something he did.
2 I have no idea how KJ who doesn't know your meta can have you as his strongest town read when that post is there. Even if you want to say that's normal brotherly banter for the two of you, KJ town reading you despite that is a reach.
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Ya idk how anyone can nakedly defend wisp seeing as how everygame he gets scum read really easily and mostly for weird reasons which is the opposite right now for KJ read on him. I don't agree with the read at all, but i can say for sure if either or flips scum i will pursue the other with great prejudice maybe idk XD. I can see all the MS players getting riled up by the read cause its something no ones used to, the read itself is empty but from the psot you linked it seemed like even he was questioning his own read on wisp which is so weird. I would not mind pushing KJ into at the least L2 for a better reaction.
OK I just wanted to make sure you experienced both before u just brushed off the possibility that the other could exist. I havent played with vezo enough to agree or disagree with that read on his typing, I still cant accurately deduce what alignment vezo is when suggesting this mass claim. I feel like it kinda benefits scum more than town because like i mentioned before it gives them targets.
Only other game i played with rhand i got lynched on day 1 as scum smh,I however agree that his tone does give some good vibes but i aint ready yet to say hes a town lean. Only my 2nd time experiencing rhand and i dont want to get pulled in by town like questions he seems to be asking. Well i am the same aligment as that game so i can see why, until phraze starts hounding me Peers overs at phraze,I feel like ISO entrance felt more natural than anyhting so far. Atlaest compared to the zero escape where he came in being arrogant.
The person who voted an item most likely thought hard and clear why they wanted it, so why not them to get the item. That way we know who has it and if anything it would be clear of their intentions based on their interactions throughout the phase. I do have to say your right, and if i have to end up going with your idea over my i will do so for the greater good of town.
I still feel like if anything vezo could have done that as either alignment so i am kinda weary of him, i will let the later days decide what i will do with him. Also explain where he sounded natural?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Fair enough i was just curious as to what you thought of them since you havent seen their play before this game.
Morn concerned on why, saw u speak of the idea but i couldnt really noticed a base idea of why your against the idea unless i skiped over major details.
Gf theory of having people vote on who should be allowed to bid on the items, atleast i believe gf was the first to bring it up.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Iso: Last scum game and town game?
Also Cyan appears to be town for now. Grape is acting very strange, but not necessarily in a scummy way.
As for my "conftown" comment: Of course I consider the possibility that terry is scum, but it think it has such a miniscule chance that it's not worth thinking about, at least at this stage of the game.
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I want to make a note that this post in Disinheritance was only scum and one town. So Iso is not afraid to buddy to his scumbuddies.
Vote Iso
I will make a compelling case in a few days as I'm swamped with work until Thursday.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
A few quick questions (with apologies if these have been discussed in pages 3-current) and responses:
@DBS: Why the sudden vote on my slot in 94?
@Grape: Why the sudden vote on DisplayName in 97?
@Terry: Town.
@Those Asking Which Newcomers I'm Most Interested In: I'll let you know when I get fully caught up, but so far I'm enjoying the two posts from Gwendolly. Seems like s/he's enjoying her/himself.
I'm torn on Vezok's AH numbers claim idea. At first I was suspicious that he didn't list his reasons in his opening post as he could be scum trolling for good responses to agree to later, but then I figured he was just trying to not let his ideas influence others...but so far I don't think he's actually said what his reasons for and against are, so I guess I'll wait and see if he does. I'm leaning away from claiming because right now scum have to glean info to guide their kills from what we post. If we claim the AH numbers, they have that added benefit of knowing that Player X got a powerful item, which could impact their kill choice. I think we keep it in the dark until we identify definite pros. But I'm still debating the idea.
As for Grape's reservations about the logs and blacklist, I can see his point, but I'm not sure the fears are well founded. We don't even know what the items do. I feel like his plan to nominate a likely town to receive the items if they get auctioned is a) dependent on us picking correctly and no deep wolves among us (and I *know* several players here are good deep wolves), and b) has the side effect of forcing a player to expend his funds a certain way, which could be used nefariously. I think Grape's motivations are more likely town, but I don't know that his proposal will work out as well as he wants it to. I'm ok with those items just staying off the block.
More to come when it's not 2am and I have to get up in...smh...four hours.
As for Vezok I agree his idea was good for scum. That's why I pushed him on it. But I'm not of the opinion that he's scum for that. That's kind of been the main point of my posts, and my comparison to Pirates where he also made suggestslions earnestly that I thought hurt his win con. Though this reactionary post against Iso has me wondering if he is scum after all. Iso here reads almost nothing like Disinheritance. And Zero Escape was a huge outlier in Iso's meta.
Shin did you typo into an accidental scum claim in 266?
@Iso What do you think my proposals are? They have been misunderstood more than once.
@Vezok try reading the most recent invitational game or Jarrasic Park Adventure 2 for a better idea of town Iso. ZE isn't a remotely representative game for him imo.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Closing in on me and my team? Have you even expressed suspicion of anyone else except me?
@grape: Scum Iso in Inheritance pushed for lynching Bur (who was town) day 1 with the exact same attitude of not really giving reasons and just blindly tunneling.
Even if Zero Escape was not typical town Iso, he didn't appear to jump to conclusions and he doubted himself, while also having multiple reads.
Maybe I'm just seeing similarities where they don't exist, but I'll comb the games you suggested.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So given you implied I was advocating revealing information I was wondering what you thought my theories were.
Also Vote: Vezok for claiming to have read 2 games and missing Iso is pushing me is bad.
@Vezok Iso's lack of confidence in ZE is what made it an outlier. He's normally full of bluster and confidence as either alignment.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
About Iso because that’s who asked proph for his suspects in the first place. Sometimes you can catch scum answering questions at face value because they know the person asking them is town or a buddy, regardless of whatever read they’re faking on them. Obviously this isn’t a hard and fast rule, but a temperature gauge I can use to build an understanding of where that person is at. (Because yeah, sometimes townies will answer questions from a suspect as face value as well)
I’m liking Iso; I’m somewhat tentative towards him in general because if Iso is actually bringing his A game then he won’t be an easy read.
@Vezok: To go into some depth on Iso, I will absolutely corroborate that the absolute confidence type reads you’re seeing from him are usually present regardless of alignment; to the point that he gets obnoxiously smug about things.
@Shinichi: I don’t mind relevant mechanical discussion, but my comment came at the heels of a bunch of talk that was more ethereal and not actually helpful to either the game state or scum hunting.
@Cyan: Why do you think revealing our bid numbers when buying things is helpful for town?
Even if Zero Escape was not typical town Iso, he didn't appear to jump to conclusions and he doubted himself, while also having multiple reads.
I mean I see what you are saying, but Iso was also scum read heavily for that game, because if his weird mishap with not reading his ability... also why does Iso jumping to conclusions mean hes scum?
I will make a compelling case in a few days as I'm swamped with work until Thursday. I look forward to that
Grape
What do you think of Iso's gimmick? has he done something like this before? Also as much as I agree that ZE might be an outlier of a game for Iso, I still think Iso is pushing to see what he wants to see, but idk .
What are these nibbling doubts?
Can anyone of you link that other game? Dissonance, I think? I wanna try and see what Vez sees
Iso
Also gimmicks annoy me...
Your posts have absolutely no indication of your voting reasons, and looks simply as though you are supporting any bandwagon that you believe may feasibly gain traction. does it irritate you when people post empty votes? cant remember if you attacked me for that in ZE, because my votes were pretty empty there also... I also find it more fun to see how people react to random votes.
Mister Atog, my reasons for inquiring as to your familiarity with Mister Vezokpiraka are simple. You made it a point to force an interaction between the two of you in a very unnatural-seeming way. Can you elaborate this more? what seems so forced about their convo? also im not used to pre flip association as they get heavily scum read on my home site.
Though I do agree, after playing in my first game here, that answering questions for another is weird...
Also Iso, what do you think this means for Dawn/Vez? W/W V/V or W/V?
Shin
I cant recall, but I think you asked me about Grape? I see nothing that gives me reason to push him closer to scum nor town, so hes relatively neutral.
Cyan
..This is just a million word way of saying that we should reveal who we are when we're bidding on auction items, right? sorry but this just sounds so fake to me
For wisp.
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And by talk, I mean vote him into oblivion?
@Iso
@Vez
I already seeing similarities between this game, minus the gimmick xD...
@Grape did u even re read this game? As fidgety as Vez seems, I can already see what he means just from the first 2 pages... but I am going to keep reading
you really do like pre flip associations dont you?
Vezok is completely flailing right now, but I don't think that's an alignment tell for him, and I still stand by my read of his early posts. Let's hope this goes differently than the last time I defended Vezok and he ended up flipping scum.
I agree, mostly because I can be like that also, and Iso kinda does resemble his scum self in disinheritance...
also I agree with the role playing *****, Rumanshi, played only talking in Haiku's and called us stupid when we couldnt understand them... Have fun if you want, but I shouldnt need to strain my brain to read peoples' posts.
I gathered some posts I thought were interesting in the spoiler below. Didn't glean anything definite from it although the Iso there seems different than the Iso here. You can check for yourself and see.
First post from Jurrasic Park mafia with real substance from Iso.
Great questions from Iso even if he didn't interact too much with others.
A lot more emphasis on finding town reads.
This post is a townie Iso post. I haven't seen anything remotely similar in this game, but that doesn't mean much.
This is Iso pushing for a lynch on townie. Great arguments.
Words of wisdom from nacho.
Valid sentiment.
Very articulate on why he thinks someone is scum. Not really seeing it in this game, but it took a while to happen in Jurrasic park. Need to read Disinheritance closely and just skim a few posts from Iso to really see something more.
Iso is prone to make incredibly choices as town. Noted. (Explanation: Grape was being incredibly obv town this game)
Obviously wrong conclusion, but at least the arguments are a lot better than what he is presenting here.
I will read Disinheritance tomorrow as I only skimed Iso's iso a bit.
The only thing I figured out from Jurassic Park is that ignoring Iso would be much better for my sanity.
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Hey Vez, how's the RNG been treating you lately?
What do you mean by this?
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I was town in DrMcNinja.
Flailing is my state of being.
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Also, @Mod/s: 27's vote has been counted twice for the same item but 89's two votes for the same item weren't. Is that correct?
I messed up with the AH vote count twice. I believe it is now correct.
Additionally, I have been asked this question a couple of times so I will answer it in thread. If a player bids more money then they have their bid will not be counted. Players can not remove bids once they are made. Once bids are made the money is locked until a higher bidder comes along.
As an additional example.
DV has 5 gold. Bids four gold on one item. I can not bid three gold on another item only one.
Question for the mod : Suppose we have the following scenario: Person A bids 3 gold. Person B bids 4 gold, but he has only 2 gold, Person C comes along and bids 5 Gold. The mod comes and confirms Person B's bid wasn't legal. Person C kinda got screwed.
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Depending on the situation we may reverse person C's bid entirely or reduce their bid to being the highest.
looks like you got a warning anyways lol
if you think that was a good point, why aren't you looking for the one who spoke of it? and why did you vote Killjoy? I personally liked his interactions with Iso and assessment of Last. he is eager to find someone to trust, which is a good sign.
why do you say "I don't see town wisp...." when you've admitted to not knowing the difference between Last's town or scum game? do you or do you not know what a town!Last looks like?
I like this post from Kamikaze. townlean
it's too early yeah, but the rapport should be built before the game ends. playing as if we will continue distrusting others, without looking to built rapport, isn't a good idea. guilty till proven innocent is also wrong, because the only way to prove someone is when they're dead, and when do we ever rely on corpses for reads? but to each their own
before this becomes unproductiveby Kyle, do you mean Last? it's not an OoG read. he's not restricted by the informed mindset when he reacts wildly, and one of the limitations of an informed mindset is that survival matters most.
should I remind you that you were the one who started hounding me first, because of my claim? '-'
I agree. the quiet votes, yet focus elsewhere, doesn't say much about his intentions.
because he voted Proph and disappeared, and I was looking for a lead.
I was the one who asked that. thanks.
Be grateful, always."
I would not do something that caused all others to suffer. If enough find my speech - and excerpts from my journal - to be aggravating, I will cease; but it is evident that not all find it tedious and a detraction:
2. you wanted to get a point across. scum would prefer keeping things 'up in the air'.
Be grateful, always."
I myself can't recall who was pushing Shinchi based off of his posting style if you asked me to name people doing so; I'll do a quick reread of the thread because I have about an hour to dedicate to this game and then get back to you on that.
I just want to poke shadow with a stick and see how he responds. The biggest reason why I'm scumreading him right now has to be post 170, because it's constructed to look like a catchup post and.. is basically devoid of any actual game-related content. It's just a bunch of housekeeping, responses to things, "I'm not a fan of the mechanics discussion going on", and "Can you post a reads list"? Like, what do you think of that post?
OK. What is your read on me right now?
I like how Iso is playing so far (his roleplaying + his general approach to things seems less self-centered than what I normally expect out of him). I feel like he's also being more transparent with his thoughts and actions. Why are you asking me about.. Iso?
I'll take a look at dawning once I finish my catch up.
Yes but not before D3. If you're opposed to that one then fire away. You just seemed to be replying to Shinichi's misunderstanding so I thought you did as well.
@Vezok The bluster in those quotes you highlighted is kind of my point. Iso is normally unfailingly confident as either alignment. JPA2 he loses that a bit later on, but as you point out he's supremely confident D1 to the point of yoloVigging me. That's the town Iso I'm seeing here.
@Wisp I'd refer you to the above as well. Reading Iso as scum for being confident is silly. ZE is the only game of his I've read where he show's serious trepidation consistently and was scum read for it. Also he was town in ZE which you maybe kind of implied otherwise.
@DBS I did later seek out who said it (Togs) and agreed with him. As for highlighting why I voted KJ that quoted explained it. I thought his read on Wisp was very fake. He's looking for someone to trust, but using "fake" reasoning to find them. Which is what makes KJ scummy.
On reading Wisp I think I have a better idea of how to read him now than I did in ZE. Still not confident, but more than I used to be.
@Gwendolly You can be irked but I don't like to engage with people who are totally absent. Now that you're here I'm enjoying reading your posts and want more from you. Thoughts on KJ and Yurkin when you're fully caught up please.
I swear that this is the third time people have asked me this question.
I now see what Iso means when he says he hates people asking him the same question multiple times
(will get to this, please have patience. Though I am interested as to exactly /why/ people are asking me for my thoughts on dawningbluesky?)
Togs's post 223 is pretty good IMO.
Thanks for the meta insight, will keep it in mind.
First good use of color here.
Second I explain my red flags about your alignment here. As DBS has pointed out your scum game tends to be on edge and reacts forcefully to any perception of pressure, and that's exactly what I'm seeing in the quoted post. A very out of proportion defensive reaction.
2 I have no idea how KJ who doesn't know your meta can have you as his strongest town read when that post is there. Even if you want to say that's normal brotherly banter for the two of you, KJ town reading you despite that is a reach.