Yeah I honestly don't think Tom is scum under any circumstances.
Like, why would a scum create a separate chat window for 2 of their scum buddies; it makes no sense. It's literally a waste. It makes FAR more sense to do so for one of your scum buddies and one townie, to get some extra information. Setting this up is a really, really long con that I have a hard time believing in, especially considering how inattentive that slot has been for the entire game.
I would lynch Tom ahead of Wuffles or Rhand, but that's really it.
I don't feel inclined to comment on what I'm going to do with my night action(s).
Yeah I honestly don't think Tom is scum under any circumstances.
Like, why would a scum create a separate chat window for 2 of their scum buddies; it makes no sense. It's literally a waste. It makes FAR more sense to do so for one of your scum buddies and one townie, to get some extra information. Setting this up is a really, really long con that I have a hard time believing in, especially considering how inattentive that slot has been for the entire game.
I would lynch Tom ahead of Wuffles or Rhand, but that's really it.
I don't feel inclined to comment on what I'm going to do with my night action(s).
Fair enough on not tipping your night actions.
My personal tinfoil that I don't really believe at all is that they don't have day chat and were leaning on tom for updates since those slots were so IRL busy and struggling to keep up. But I think 4 scum is just the most likely answer at this point because outside Cantrip I don't really think any of you are scum.
Oh and I couldn't have used the Mask, I was busy using the Eyes because I didn't understand that they're just a 3 Sanity gamble. Just saying.
I mean that's probably true, but it would look the same to an outsider. If you pulled that off you deserve an Oscar, but I still am worried you did.
Mostly I'm just trying to get people to consider all the hypotheticals because odds are against me being alive tomorrow if the game doesn't end with Cantrip's flip.
I just want to have this on the record for later, because I know it doesn't mean anything right now. There are lines that I don't cross to be convincing as scum, and publicly fighting with the Mod(who was perfectly willing to argue back, incidentally) is definitely one of those lines.
Like, I'm still mad at Sir Chris because in that one Invitational, he was all, "I had to stop making Thanksgiving Dinner to come save the town!"..when he was scum. There are just some things that you don't do.
I just want to have this on the record for later, because I know it doesn't mean anything right now. There are lines that I don't cross to be convincing as scum, and publicly fighting with the Mod(who was perfectly willing to argue back, incidentally) is definitely one of those lines.
Like, I'm still mad at Sir Chris because in that one Invitational, he was all, "I had to stop making Thanksgiving Dinner to come save the town!"..when he was scum. There are just some things that you don't do.
That is completely fair and reasonable. And I try to hold myself to that same standard. I just also can't treat it as a basis to read you because that creates an ugly incentive structure.
Plus I don't think you're scum I think you're an SK.
Back to game stuff are we using the looking glass on Cantrip or not? I think it's worth it but I want everyone else to chime in. Turning the clear on Rhand into a hard clear and confirming a 5th scum is a nice prize if it comes back negative. And a positive check is a bit of a waste, but confirms scum.
@Wuffles: I’m fine with you getting that item too. Doesn’t really matter as long as scum don’t get their hands on it.
Thinking about the LG. Cantrip must have shot LW. If not, the only possible other person would be Cyan. Everyone else has an alibi.
I’m sure Cyan wouldn’t create extra bodies on even Nights with his claim so it HAS to be cantrip and using the LG is indeed a waste.
Meh, I'm happy to leave it up to RE tbh. What do you think, RE? I think using it today and getting a final chance for it in two days is best play. Because it will guarantee us a win in a three player game if somehow nobody is confirmed.
Meh, I'm happy to leave it up to RE tbh. What do you think, RE? I think using it today and getting a final chance for it in two days is best play. Because it will guarantee us a win in a three player game if somehow nobody is confirmed.
Honestly want to use it on Cantrip.
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Seriously why do people think they wouldn't be able to kill and perform an action in the same Night?
That would pretty literally break this game that's why it never happens in role madness
Seriously why do people think they wouldn't be able to kill and perform an action in the same Night?
That would pretty literally break this game that's why it never happens in role madness
Cause we asked. Mafia kill is counted as an ability. It's separate from item use I think though.
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If we use LG on Cantrip and he did not commit the kill, then:
RE is cleared because he didn’t kill tom
tom is cleared because he didn’t kill RE
Grape is cleared because DBS tracked him
I am cleared because I was roleblocked
Wuffles is still clear because of the potion
It only leaves Cyan, which makes no sense.
That means Cantrip did make the kill amd using the LG toDay doesn’t help us.
Seriously why do people think they wouldn't be able to kill and perform an action in the same Night?
That would pretty literally break this game that's why it never happens in role madness
Hey someone actually bid on the AH Logs. I feel like this probably means something, considering that they're useless now, but I can't figure out what it COULD mean.
Other than being wrong about me being scum, Rhand's perspective is pretty convincing. I don't see any reason to use the LG on me, especially if we're just going to lynch me anyway. I can't imagine it would give us any info we don't already have other than that I didn't perform the kill.
So...either Cyan performed the kill or the mafia can perform a kill AND use other abilities. I'd believe the latter before the former. Cyan is ballsy, but he's not going to kill a fellow mafia member, not at that point in the game.
Cantrip, you're forgetting that the Mafia definitely have some kind of ninja-esque asshattery or day actions that happen at night.
I don't think we should clear based on night Actions except for Tom and RE who were for better or worse incorrectly lightning rodded at each other last night.
Also, I definitely want to see the glass used today. I say we just let RE decide who to target.
Cantrip, you're forgetting that the Mafia definitely have some kind of ninja-esque asshattery or day actions that happen at night.
I don't think we should clear based on night Actions except for Tom and RE who were for better or worse incorrectly lightning rodded at each other last night.
Also, I definitely want to see the glass used today. I say we just let RE decide who to target.
Okay, I guess we just target Grape then, and hope for a miracle that he carried out last night's NK but DBS just didn't get to see it?
Having a result tomorrow just seems better in every way. And if RE is scum, I don't even want him to be able to use the thing on a possible Day 7, because he will flatly just lie about a result and then the town has to figure that out. I think using the item tomorrow forces RE(a very likely candidate for 5th scum if there is one) to paint himself into a corner if he's the last scum, and if he gets a 'killed that person' result, we can be relatively certain he's being honest about it. And we'll still have time for recourse if he's not.
Eh, yeah grape works. Re, what is the point of targeting cantrip unless you're planning to fight for his life after if it comes back negative? Not throwing shade,just curious if you have a reason that merits it.
Hey someone actually bid on the AH Logs. I feel like this probably means something, considering that they're useless now, but I can't figure out what it COULD mean.
It means that I was tying up my gold just in case the anon bidder strikes again.
Eh, yeah grape works. Re, what is the point of targeting cantrip unless you're planning to fight for his life after if it comes back negative? Not throwing shade,just curious if you have a reason that merits it.
Although, I can imagine there being a 5 player scum team and assuming Cantrip flips scum, they choose not to perform a night kill in hopes of incriminating Cyan. It may be better to use it today. We find out either Cantrip committed the kill (which would be relieving) or we find out he did not (which, again assuming he flips scum, would mean there's a 5th member on the team).
Basically tells us if there's a 5th member we have to hunt for or if there's a neutral in the game
Also, pretty sure that was a rhetorical question on Cyan's part
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Bah, you know what? I will claim. My night action isn't overly useful at this point so I don't mind doing it.
I'm a money cop. Each night I can check someone and learn to within 1 silver how much money they have. I checked grape N2 and it came back with a result that matched his 2 silver claim. Since he claims that's all he started with, I don't see why he would falseclaim that. Grape almost certainly isn't the secret bidder and I'm going out on a limb to say he's almost certainly town. He's given me 4 sanity so far and that makes me basically a doctor for the rest of the game, as I can rift of zhar-protec people to guarantee their night Actions go off. No blocks, no funny business,unless they get lucky and block my other rift target.
Other targets I've hit were shadow (n1) to confirm if he was lying about not affording the potion of truth, and Dawning last night. I was going to target last since he was nervous about claiming his money but I realized as dawning is harder to read the she felt like the better target.
It's a pretty meh ability at this point of the game tbh, since Tom's probs the only one that can still **** with money counts.
I'd also like to say here that my first night I investigated TWO scum (though admittedly it was because I was almost certain that proph's town play d1 would draw a NK)
So please put grape at end very end of the POE. I think he's town and he at least is not the secret bidder, unless he lied about his treasure from the start, which seems unlikely.
Of course RE opted to use the Looking Glass today.
Still haven't sent my action yet
But I'm fully expecting to die tonight or tomorrow, so
Do you think it's better to use the looking glass tomorrow, or the day after? I understand that using it tomorrow makes it more likely to return more informative results, but the same argument could be made tomorrow.
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So some of you may remember last April when I told people that my family and I were victims of a hit and run. Well, our car was declared a total loss and they sent us some money, but because we're moving to a new house, we really haven't had a chance to get a new car. We had two other cars that were both on their last legs, and our Subaru decided to quit about a week ago. And then tonight we were coming home and got hit AGAIN by someone, and they ALSO fled the frickin scene of the crime (got the license plate this time, though). So now we are officially without any vehicle (damage was bad enough this time that it got towed away, and I can't imagine the insurance company fixing a '96 Accent), and instead of prepping the new house and packing the old this weekend, I get to go car shopping ("woo").
So I'm pretty much out of flocks to give. I'm not going to have any time for anything extraneous likely until Monday at the earliest. So this is a big fat PTAP/VLA announcement that I'm more or less signing off. If you want to keep the game going until next week so you can ask me some questions, I'll do my best to contribute when I can, but it's probably best to just lynch me and move on. Sorry if I sound bitter, but right now I'm not really feeling my usual optimism.
Do you think it's better to use the looking glass tomorrow, or the day after? I understand that using it tomorrow makes it more likely to return more informative results, but the same argument could be made tomorrow.
Honestly, the whole reason that I want it to be used tomorrow is because if the person who holds it is scum, they can't lie about the results without facing serious risk. If it's not used until the following day(which is when it would be available again if used today), they would just be able to lie about a result and put the town in the very difficult spot of figuring out whether or not to believe them. Avoiding this entirely sounds much better.
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It seems like it's time to move forward with lynching Cantrip. Items have been bid on already, etc.
Honestly, the whole reason that I want it to be used tomorrow is because if the person who holds it is scum, they can't lie about the results without facing serious risk. If it's not used until the following day(which is when it would be available again if used today), they would just be able to lie about a result and put the town in the very difficult spot of figuring out whether or not to believe them. Avoiding this entirely sounds much better.
That's a fair point.
Okay, I'll hold off on it.
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Okay, because nobody responded when I asked for them to confirm their claims, I'll just post my theory that probably holds no water but yeah
I think the only players with possibly inaccurate role names are Tom and Wuffles, I'm not 100% sure. I would have preferred if they confirmed before I did this, but... Whatever.
1. KamikazeArchon - Vincent Lee, the Town Healer (the Doctor)
2. RE1031 - Bob Jenkins, the Town Auctioneer (the Salesman)
3. Iso - Luke Robinson, the Town Hider (the Dreamer)
4. shadowlancerx - Trish Scarborough, the Mafia Warlock - Nygotha (the Spy)
5. Lastwhisper - Akachi Onyele, the Town Occultist (the Shaman)
6. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - George Barnaby, the Town Aristocrat (the Lawyer)
7. Gemma/Cantrip - Carolyn Fern, the Town Psychologist (the Psychologist)
8. Killjoy - Mark Harrigan, the Town Bodyguard (the Soldier)
9. Prophylaxis - Lola Hayes, the Mafia Enchantress - Atlach-Nacha (the Actress)
10. Cyan - Michael McGlen, the Town Gunslinger (the Gangster)
11. Dawningbluesky - Roland Banks, the Town Investigator (the Fed)
12. Grapefruit21 - Sister Mary, the Nun (the Nun)
13. Atogaholic - Jacqueline Fine, the Town Seance (the Psychic)
14. DoTArchon - “Skids” O’Toole, the Mafia Thief - Tsathoggua (the Ex-Convict)
15. Wuffles_II - Marie Lambeau, the Town Entertainer (the Entertainer)
16. Tomsloger - Charlie Kane, the Connected Politician (the Politician)
17. Silvercrys3467 - Wendy Adams, the Insane Town Beggar (the Urchin)
18. vezokpiraka - Harvey Walters, the Town Collector (the Professor)
19. Rhand - Tommy Muldoon, the Town Rookie Cop (the Rookie Cop)
Basically, I noticed that everyone who flipped so far had flavor that happened to have occupations on the wiki that differed from the role they were given. Mafia that flipped so far had somewhat sketchy names, like "Warlock," "Thief," and "Enchantress," so I think it's possible the rest of the mafia used the occupation from the wiki instead when they claimed.
Which would make two of the players who are nearly confirmed town scum so probably not too accurate, lol. But I thought it was fun, so
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Vaguely prefer looking glass gets used today just because two uses is better than one but I don't really know who to target and only moderately trust RE anyway so
If Cantrip flips scum I kind of think tom's the most likely check and one of us is the most likely shot and I'm not sure why.
Like, why would a scum create a separate chat window for 2 of their scum buddies; it makes no sense. It's literally a waste. It makes FAR more sense to do so for one of your scum buddies and one townie, to get some extra information. Setting this up is a really, really long con that I have a hard time believing in, especially considering how inattentive that slot has been for the entire game.
I would lynch Tom ahead of Wuffles or Rhand, but that's really it.
I don't feel inclined to comment on what I'm going to do with my night action(s).
Fair enough on not tipping your night actions.
My personal tinfoil that I don't really believe at all is that they don't have day chat and were leaning on tom for updates since those slots were so IRL busy and struggling to keep up. But I think 4 scum is just the most likely answer at this point because outside Cantrip I don't really think any of you are scum.
I mean that's probably true, but it would look the same to an outsider. If you pulled that off you deserve an Oscar, but I still am worried you did.
Mostly I'm just trying to get people to consider all the hypotheticals because odds are against me being alive tomorrow if the game doesn't end with Cantrip's flip.
Like, I'm still mad at Sir Chris because in that one Invitational, he was all, "I had to stop making Thanksgiving Dinner to come save the town!"..when he was scum. There are just some things that you don't do.
That is completely fair and reasonable. And I try to hold myself to that same standard. I just also can't treat it as a basis to read you because that creates an ugly incentive structure.
Plus I don't think you're scum I think you're an SK.
*Hides*
I'd always just used it as a synonym for mafia. TIL
Anyway it was mostly an excuse to make a bad joke.
Thinking about the LG. Cantrip must have shot LW. If not, the only possible other person would be Cyan. Everyone else has an alibi.
I’m sure Cyan wouldn’t create extra bodies on even Nights with his claim so it HAS to be cantrip and using the LG is indeed a waste.
That would pretty literally break this game that's why it never happens in role madness
Cause we asked. Mafia kill is counted as an ability. It's separate from item use I think though.
If we use LG on Cantrip and he did not commit the kill, then:
RE is cleared because he didn’t kill tom
tom is cleared because he didn’t kill RE
Grape is cleared because DBS tracked him
I am cleared because I was roleblocked
Wuffles is still clear because of the potion
It only leaves Cyan, which makes no sense.
That means Cantrip did make the kill amd using the LG toDay doesn’t help us.
DV literally told us as much?
I don't think we should clear based on night Actions except for Tom and RE who were for better or worse incorrectly lightning rodded at each other last night.
Also, I definitely want to see the glass used today. I say we just let RE decide who to target.
Okay, I guess we just target Grape then, and hope for a miracle that he carried out last night's NK but DBS just didn't get to see it?
Having a result tomorrow just seems better in every way. And if RE is scum, I don't even want him to be able to use the thing on a possible Day 7, because he will flatly just lie about a result and then the town has to figure that out. I think using the item tomorrow forces RE(a very likely candidate for 5th scum if there is one) to paint himself into a corner if he's the last scum, and if he gets a 'killed that person' result, we can be relatively certain he's being honest about it. And we'll still have time for recourse if he's not.
It means that I was tying up my gold just in case the anon bidder strikes again.
Also, pretty sure that was a rhetorical question on Cyan's part
Cause why not
Even if it's not a day kill it could totally be a poison
If they get gold that fools then Wuffles truly has a useless ability.
Here you go Cyan.
But I'm fully expecting to die tonight or tomorrow, so
Do you think it's better to use the looking glass tomorrow, or the day after? I understand that using it tomorrow makes it more likely to return more informative results, but the same argument could be made tomorrow.
Not that it really matters but that would be insane in this setup
Whatever I guess
I, uh, still haven't looked at AH...
Been a weird week (ballet>jethro tull>yanni>another ballet)
So I'm pretty much out of flocks to give. I'm not going to have any time for anything extraneous likely until Monday at the earliest. So this is a big fat PTAP/VLA announcement that I'm more or less signing off. If you want to keep the game going until next week so you can ask me some questions, I'll do my best to contribute when I can, but it's probably best to just lynch me and move on. Sorry if I sound bitter, but right now I'm not really feeling my usual optimism.
Good luck.
Honestly, the whole reason that I want it to be used tomorrow is because if the person who holds it is scum, they can't lie about the results without facing serious risk. If it's not used until the following day(which is when it would be available again if used today), they would just be able to lie about a result and put the town in the very difficult spot of figuring out whether or not to believe them. Avoiding this entirely sounds much better.
@Mod: Can we have a vote count please?
It seems like it's time to move forward with lynching Cantrip. Items have been bid on already, etc.
I’m pretty sure I’m not waking up toMorrow, so good luck to all of you.
Okay, I'll hold off on it.
I think the only players with possibly inaccurate role names are Tom and Wuffles, I'm not 100% sure. I would have preferred if they confirmed before I did this, but... Whatever.
2. RE1031 - Bob Jenkins, the Town Auctioneer (the Salesman)
3. Iso - Luke Robinson, the Town Hider (the Dreamer)
4. shadowlancerx - Trish Scarborough, the Mafia Warlock - Nygotha (the Spy)
5. Lastwhisper - Akachi Onyele, the Town Occultist (the Shaman)
6. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - George Barnaby, the Town Aristocrat (the Lawyer)
7. Gemma/Cantrip - Carolyn Fern, the Town Psychologist (the Psychologist)
8. Killjoy - Mark Harrigan, the Town Bodyguard (the Soldier)
9. Prophylaxis - Lola Hayes, the Mafia Enchantress - Atlach-Nacha (the Actress)
10. Cyan - Michael McGlen, the Town Gunslinger (the Gangster)
11. Dawningbluesky - Roland Banks, the Town Investigator (the Fed)
12. Grapefruit21 - Sister Mary, the Nun (the Nun)
13. Atogaholic - Jacqueline Fine, the Town Seance (the Psychic)
14. DoTArchon - “Skids” O’Toole, the Mafia Thief - Tsathoggua (the Ex-Convict)
15. Wuffles_II - Marie Lambeau, the Town Entertainer (the Entertainer)
16. Tomsloger - Charlie Kane, the Connected Politician (the Politician)
17. Silvercrys3467 - Wendy Adams, the Insane Town Beggar (the Urchin)
18. vezokpiraka - Harvey Walters, the Town Collector (the Professor)
19. Rhand - Tommy Muldoon, the Town Rookie Cop (the Rookie Cop)
Which would make two of the players who are nearly confirmed town scum so probably not too accurate, lol. But I thought it was fun, so
Vaguely prefer looking glass gets used today just because two uses is better than one but I don't really know who to target and only moderately trust RE anyway so
Oh I assumed it did. My bad. Then do will it to me
And I didn’t know you did. Just wanted to make sure whoever gets it can actually use it.
Now please let this end the game...
I'd be really surprised if Cantrip were lone scum at this point.
But really, any time you guys want to vote him would be great.