I don't have much to add except to say that the pocket watch is one of the best designed abilities I've ever seen. I'm thinking of ways of introducing it into a normal game without being either too swingy or too broken.
If you came up with a good name for that ability, let me know
I've already used it few times (in Trigger Happy Havoc as 1-shot), but haven't really been able to name it well at all...
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I don't have much to add except to say that the pocket watch is one of the best designed abilities I've ever seen. I'm thinking of ways of introducing it into a normal game without being either too swingy or too broken.
If you came up with a good name for that ability, let me know
I've already used it few times (in Trigger Happy Havoc as 1-shot), but haven't really been able to name it well at all...
Forensic Investigator is almost the same, but only targets dead players.
There were also too many clears for town, I think. A generic rule I follow is that town should never have more clears than there are mafia. Town had over 5 clears, this game. I don't know exactly how many clears there were, but there were a lot, even if some of them weren't hard clears. I think the way that we used my role came the closest to matching that kind of clearing power, but that required a lot of creativity and effort, whereas town only had to use their items as they were given and be transparent about that, if that makes sense. It's hard to balance such a crazy setup like this, though.
I literally have no idea what you are talking about Gemma. There was not over 5 clears in this game.
@Grape
I didn't take advantage of my differences, and I did describe the way I saw things in detail (especially since my views are more backwards from ordinary). for everyone to ignore my cases simply because I think different, is biased and lazy. of course I won't take kindly to it. but thanks, I've had it good since my first ever game.
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3. Cyan you played a fantastic game, but you kind of gave away the highground there at the end with your comments around wisp.
I'm not sure when I've ever cared about having the 'high ground'. I play like one game per year at this point. I just want that experience to be the best experience possible. I didn't say anything to LW at any point during the game, despite wanting to multiple times. I've had problems with that in the past, and I'm very aware of that, and didn't want to negatively impact the rest of the playerbase' gameplay experience. But the game is over now.
It's fine to be a new player and make mistakes. Even a bunch of them. It's not fine to be a new player, make mistakes, and act like an arrogant **** and actively make the town's life more difficult. LW flatly stated that he blocked Rhand because of 'tinfoil'. That is unacceptable. Period. If you're paranoid, fine, you're paranoid. But you don't act against the town because of it. And you ESPECIALLY don't ridicule other people because they make choice that you (incorrectly) think were poor.
@Gemma: What are the 5 clears that you are referring to?
@DBS: We didn't ignore your case because you 'think differently'. We tuned you out because you kept acting like an ********(and I know plenty about that), which is especially vexing coming from someone who has apparently one other game played here, and we had a hard time taking anything you said seriously because your viewpoints were just absurd in some aspects. Like. You legitimately believe that people should not clarify things with the Mod. Coming from our perspective of 'people that are rational', this makes everything you say hard to accept, especially when combined with you acting like a jerk toward people to such an extent that one of the Mods had to make a post about it.
My boys Grapefruit and Silver, you guys were a blast to play with, I wish more people would take up your attitudes towards playing mafia. MVPs in my heart
This marks my second game dying as confirmed town, next time I get a role like that I think I'll just use it early lol
I am still exceedingly happy with my early behavioral cases on Prop and Gemma, feeling especially vindicated on the latter since no one wanted to listen to me. Though maybe I should have made that case *after* I cleared myself, gotta pay more attention to the Ethos of the thread. That being said though, with the read accuracy I managed to put up, I should have been posting way more in order to actually any of them through. I'm not so sure if I ended up making a difference this game in the grand scheme of things.
Anyways thanks to the hosts and everything too, gg
Oh also @DV: i wasn’t late with the shadow cop? I sent that in on the day of the lynch.
I also see that You decided not to inform Cyan when the Eye triggered, but when I asked you how the item worked you told me it would get a counter?
Not that I’m complaining. I loved this game and the mechanical puzzles it created.
No you definitely were not. The post said you sent in the cop 3 minutes after the day ended. Which was the lynch.
Yes, but it is a Night action? I sent it at the very beginning of Night.
I don't understand the confusion here. You got it in as soon as night started. I never said you were late. The comment in the discord was that you got your night action 3 minutes after day ended IE 3 minutes into night starting.
double roleblock on RE not so great, I tunneled onto shins slot, but I roleblocked RE again, after more mafia were killed, it was my attempt at stomping my tunnel...
I'm definitely not arrogant... dont even know where that come from
Secondly, if you remember, my poe around the time of my second roleblock, was RE, Tom, and Cyan... but I guess you couldnt deduce that Togs wasnt scum? ya I roleblocked rhand, the tinfoil didnt hurt anyone, and even if it did, well still no need to be so mean...
and lastly, I've had my fair share of good games, you barely know me
@Gemma: What are the 5 clears that you are referring to?
Just off the top of my head, Rhand, Killjoy/Atog (I forget which one people soft-cleared for their role, or maybe it was both), Terry, Kamikaze, Wuffles, and RE/lw.
Wuffles and Atog you guys are awesome. Thanks! Though my dying on the last night while completely accidental death made the last day a lot cleaner.
@DBS Everyone has cases get ignored. Silver's really smart heist wolf PoE got ignored to some extent, my less smart SK!Cyan case was largely ignored, and Cyan's Dota is scum case got ignored. It's just from there a matter of how you pursue them. Cyan is a hit of a bulldog in general but in this game he got to unilaterally act on his case. Silver posted eloquent wall after eloquent wall trying to convince people. I mostly flailed around and was rightfully ignored.
If you have the self awareness to realize you're different (which is great, I wish I'd understood myself better 10 years ago) then maybe take the next step and realize we can't intuitively make the connections you do and try to explain them in ways idiots like me will understand. It took me so long to even understand your give the puzzlebox to a suspect theory. I never agreed with it but I eventually saw where it was coming from. Without that understanding I was always either going to ignore it or push you as scum for it.
Great job town! Sorry I didn’t pull my weight much after I got myself town cleared, my new job has severely limited my posting time, but most of all, this game was essentially on cruise control after the number of heist items was revealed. I don’t think it was necessary to reveal it and it hamstrung the scum team pretty badly.
@Gemma: What are the 5 clears that you are referring to?
Just off the top of my head, Rhand, Killjoy/Atog (I forget which one people soft-cleared for their role, or maybe it was both), Terry, Kamikaze, Wuffles, and RE/lw.
How was Terry clear? People literally thought he might be scum and that it could have been a gambit.
Same with Rhand got blocked by LW. KJ/Atog were not cleared on roles so IDK what the **** you're talking about there.
RE/LW/DBS were clear because????
Half the players on this list were never cleared. Some of these players KJ/Atog(Who you can't even keep straight because you are so disconnected from this game were both lynched and killed by town).
You were so disconnected from the game I don't even think you know what was going on in this game I don't even know how you can make the statement "Off the top of my head". Its a statement that makes it sound as though you understand what is going on. When you couldn't even keep the game straight and Tom had to hold your hand this whole game.
I'm going to be frank. When you posted I couldn't believe my eyes. I'm surprised you posted at all after the game ended and on top of that I'm pretty sure you managed to type more in a closing statement about a game you couldn't follow then in the entire time of playing the game. I'm insulted to say the least. But really I'm just mad. I had to listen to you and Proph ***** in scum chat the whole game while both of you managed to make such a poor showing in this game I don't even know how to describe it because I've never seen such a pathetic showing. Cantripmancer replaced in on your slot and performed about 100 times better than anything you did in about a 1/4 of the time of playing in the game. You beat Shinichi by one post a player that replaced out day one. You had less posts than me.
Good game guys, and a congratulations to the town for pulling it off.
I said some similar things in the discord spec chat, but I'd like to formally apologize to D_V, my scumbuddies (especially tom/shadow), and the rest of the players for going MIA Day 3 and completely botching my claim. I'd like to clear up any confusion regarding my actions there.
I saw that I rolled scum this game and thought "well, I'm probably going to go down Day 3/4 for having a pretty terrible scumgame, but I'll try to stick it out until then". Day 1 rolls around and we all do pretty well. I'm like "yeah, let's get tom and shadow their first scum victory!". Then I checked Day 2 and saw that not only did our kill fail, DoTA was shot, which was pretty demoralizing.
Then shadow got copped, and then my motivation to play the game went completely down the drain. I didn't think we could pull it off with so many townies left alive. Around this time as well, I had finals which kept me from playing the game to my fullest potential because I do not like posting as the mafia alignment, and the game was ballooning in size, which made it very difficult for me to keep up or play in any sort of reasonable capacity. Like every time I'd check the thread there would like like 10-20 new posts. I wanted to play on MTGS because the deadlines were long and I could get away with posting once every day or so, but I just got completely deluged in the number of posts.
I told myself that I would jump into the game after my finals, but once I checked the game thread again after I finished my last final, I saw that there were 1000 posts from when I felt that I was properly caught up to the current game thread. I felt like it was absolutely impossible to catch up given the circumstances, and ran a pretty terrible false claim idea (only vanilla, basically to have the mod punish modgaming a la Hobbit Mafia). It didn't work, my lie was caught, and I got lynched to very little fanfare.
When I made the false claim I just put down my computer and lied in bed for around an hour just thinking about this game and how badly I screwed up. The reason why I just gave up on posting afterwards was because constantly thinking about how I was scum this game, how badly I screwed up my false claim, and how mad everyone was going to get at me was just.. extremely unhealthy thinking/damaging to my mental health. Add that to me traveling from Amherst to Seattle and starting my summer and.. it was not pleasant.
Like literally I just wanted to roll town with Grape/Cyan/Togs and have a grand old time bouncing reads off of each other. Instead I had to roll scum again and deceive these people which is just not fun for me. Plus I think I've been scum/town versus RE1031 like, 5 or 6 times? Never been town with her. That blows.
So yeah. I really apologize to everyone involved due to my toxic/gamethrowing behavior, and I think I'm going to take a long break/retirement from the game. I started an internship and I think that my hobbies need to be less stressful, and mafia is a very stressful hobby as either alignment, haha. I just completed a trio of games on Smogon and lost every single one, so it's pretty clear that me crashing and burning would have to happen eventually; unfortunately it happened to be in this game. I think 100+ games and 7 years of mafia played is a good way to end this player's career. I feel pretty bad about my behavior this game and again would like to just extend a couple words of apology to anyone who felt ticked off by my actions
Proph, given the circumstances I find that understandable. Mafia's a pain and it's not my business, but I hope this isn't a permanent end. I'd love to town with you one day.
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Losing 2 scum by night 2 heavily swayed this in town's favor and that had little to do with the complicated mechanics of this game. Cyan and Rhand just played really well.
I do think the game was townsided overall though, especially with the number of protective abilities. Tom might have won this if the kills on Dawn and Cyan succeeded, and those occurred after the town doc was killed. Items are really cool and I want to see the mechanic incorporated in other games but it allowed extremely powerful abilities to make it end game where it's vital for scum to make the right kills. Though Rhand should have been killed earlier, so props for the fake claim
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Proph you're one of my favorite mafia players and I'll miss playing with you. Enjoy your retirement and a year or so from now when you finish your internship and the itch is back maybe we'll finally have a non hydra town game together after so long.
Proph, given the circumstances I find that understandable. Mafia's a pain and it's not my business, but I hope this isn't a permanent end. I'd love to town with you one day.
Absolutely. I may come back for the occasional game here or there, but we'll see.
What is it?
Kitty Mafia
Easter Egg Mafia
Silence of the Lambs
Mostly Seinen
Arkham Horror
So yeah that's like 5 games we've played with each other and me scum you town in all, which amuses me.
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Proph you're one of my favorite mafia players and I'll miss playing with you. Enjoy your retirement and a year or so from now when you finish your internship and the itch is back maybe we'll finally have a non hydra town game together after so long.
Thanks man! I enjoy playing with you too (at least the games where I don't have to deceive you; I enjoyed working with you in Fairy Tail and Day 1 of the MU hydra game).
Aww man. Don't be a stranger. It's been a lot of fun seeing you in a lot of games and otherwise. I hope we'll continue to see you around even if not in mafia games.
Wuffles and Atog you guys are awesome. Thanks! Though my dying on the last night while completely accidental death made the last day a lot cleaner.
@DBS Everyone has cases get ignored. Silver's really smart heist wolf PoE got ignored to some extent, my less smart SK!Cyan case was largely ignored, and Cyan's Dota is scum case got ignored. It's just from there a matter of how you pursue them. Cyan is a hit of a bulldog in general but in this game he got to unilaterally act on his case. Silver posted eloquent wall after eloquent wall trying to convince people. I mostly flailed around and was rightfully ignored.
If you have the self awareness to realize you're different (which is great, I wish I'd understood myself better 10 years ago) then maybe take the next step and realize we can't intuitively make the connections you do and try to explain them in ways idiots like me will understand. It took me so long to even understand your give the puzzlebox to a suspect theory. I never agreed with it but I eventually saw where it was coming from. Without that understanding I was always either going to ignore it or push you as scum for it.
@Grape: I wish more people approached mafia the way you and Silver do. Myself included. You are both wonderful.
@Silver: If you're in a similar situation to this game in the future, I recommend just not revealing anything, except maybe that you're a mandatory Vig, at some point. You might get lynched as SK Anyway(Mandatory Vig is a pretty common SK fake claim), but still.
@Gemma: Terry was never a 'cleared role'. He acted thoroughly town Day 1, and then a sequence of in game events made it obvious that he wasn't scum. There is nothing the Mod can do to prevent DOTA stealing an item that Terry bought, which he could only do via nightkill, while Terry was Doc protected. RE and Atog were never 'soft cleared' for anything. RE only became 'clear' on the final game day, when the person that would have had his scum role flipped. I vigged Atog because he was somewhat scummy, especially early in the game when he was more active, and he was in the Heist POE. We lynched KJ because he didn't know how his own role worked, and it seemed like he was just lying about it. Wuffles literally had to use a one-shot item to be confirmed as town, and even, he seemed less likely town to me at the end of the game than Rhand or RE. Kami was viewed as town because he counter-claimed someone as Doc AND prevented a scum NK. And LW was just behaviorally town. None of these are 'clears' built into the game, they're just player behavior sometimes combined with in game circumstances that a Mod can't do anything about. Maybe you should just play games where everyone is Vanilla? Or maybe you should, you know, actually participate in games that you willingly choose to replace into. When your team needed you more than ever, you chose to contribute nothing. That's really poor for a replacement, and then you just blamed the game instead of at least being honest about the situation.
@Proph: See you a year from now when a game interests me enough to play again.
Jesus Christ **** you Cyan and DV, I gave the game everything I had, I didn't blame anyone or anything, I didn't ***** talk anyone, I didn't say I was better than anyone. I actually said I thought the setup was really cool and tom already said the same things that I did about how I felt it could have been improved so you're an ******** for treating me like my opinion is a bunch of *****. How much do you want me to apologize for my activity issues? Because I've already said how much I regret not having more time to dedicate to the game. I've already said how sorry I am for letting my team down. I've already explained that I had no way to anticipate how busy work became suddenly. Is that not ******* good enough for you? You do realize this is a ******* game? Do you want me to tell you about how I was working so much that my relationship with my partner suffered and all the little fights we had about that? Do you want me to tell you about how I had so little time that I couldn't even shower for days straight? Do you want me to tell you about how I nearly killed myself from the stress? You're telling me I'm a piece of ***** because I didn't prioritize the game when I was working 140 hours a week and I wasn't sleeping and my life was going to *****? **** you.
Jesus Christ **** you Cyan and DV, I gave the game everything I had, I didn't blame anyone or anything, I didn't ***** talk anyone, I didn't say I was better than anyone. I actually said I thought the setup was really cool and tom already said the same things that I did about how I felt it could have been improved so you're an ******** for treating me like my opinion is a bunch of *****. How much do you want me to apologize for my activity issues? Because I've already said how much I regret not having more time to dedicate to the game. I've already said how sorry I am for letting my team down. I've already explained that I had no way to anticipate how busy work became suddenly. Is that not ******* good enough for you? You do realize this is a ******* game? Do you want me to tell you about how I was working so much that my relationship with my partner suffered and all the little fights we had about that? Do you want me to tell you about how I had so little time that I couldn't even shower for days straight? Do you want me to tell you about how I nearly killed myself from the stress? You're telling me I'm a piece of ***** because I didn't prioritize the game when I was working 140 hours a week and I wasn't sleeping and my life was going to *****? **** you.
I'm sorry for your personal problems. My problem with you though is that you have made statements about the game that were not even close to correct for god knows what reason. You sat in mafia chat and complained and in my opinion you took Proph to a worse place in this game. You even managed to not follow the hand given claim that Tom gave you. Gave it your all give me a break.
My overall problem isn't about the lurking. Its you coming into this thread talking about cleared town, which never happened. You had a defeatest attitude when you came into the game and continued it throughout the game. You and Proph both managed to make me have no sympathy for the scum team at all. You came in and instead of arguing against the "clears" or saying "What fake claim could I make to get myself town read." You just *****ed.
I do realize its a game. Games should be fun and probabally you should play correctly too not to hamper your team.
So don't you dare give me the statement "I tried." Because you didn't. You gave the bare minimum effort(Maybe due to personal reasons maybe not). If you had simply come into the thread and say "I'm sorry I had real life things come up, I couldn't play." It really would have just been that. But you came in here and started talking about things that were not true, as though you understood anything you were talking about. That crosses a line to me.
I understand being busy. I don't understand being so busy that I can't play a game and knowing that, and then coming in and talking about the game after the fact when I'm not even right. If I know I'm too busy to play the game, then I know that what I think may have happened is probabally wrong. Its just rude.
I feel like I'm coming in after that moment in 12 Angry Men where Juror 10 goes off about "Those people" and everyone walks away...
Oh well.
As someone who has been in pretty much that exact same situation a couple times in the past, I empathize with you, Gemma. But at the same time, I find it extremely disgusting when people use mental illness as an excuse to go off on someone. DV and Cyan's responses to you may not have been the most constructive they could be. But flying off the handle is completely inappropriate. This game was not your best. We can learn from it and move on, or you can lash out at people about it. One of those is going to be more productive than the other.
Jesus Christ **** you Cyan and DV, I gave the game everything I had, I didn't blame anyone or anything, I didn't ***** talk anyone, I didn't say I was better than anyone. I actually said I thought the setup was really cool and tom already said the same things that I did about how I felt it could have been improved so you're an ******** for treating me like my opinion is a bunch of *****. How much do you want me to apologize for my activity issues? Because I've already said how much I regret not having more time to dedicate to the game. I've already said how sorry I am for letting my team down. I've already explained that I had no way to anticipate how busy work became suddenly. Is that not ******* good enough for you? You do realize this is a ******* game? Do you want me to tell you about how I was working so much that my relationship with my partner suffered and all the little fights we had about that? Do you want me to tell you about how I had so little time that I couldn't even shower for days straight? Do you want me to tell you about how I nearly killed myself from the stress? You're telling me I'm a piece of ***** because I didn't prioritize the game when I was working 140 hours a week and I wasn't sleeping and my life was going to *****? **** you.
I should just let this go, rather than drag it out and make myself look heartless...ah well.
I want you to not sign up for mafia games in the first place if this is the case. Especially when you're replacing into a game that was, at that point, well established. How could you not know that you wouldn't be able to play? Like..it sucks that you have personal problems right now. I wish you didn't. But that doesn't excuse you dragging down everyone else' gameplay experience here, and it doesn't explain why you were constantly *****ing in the scum thread.
Also, no one is telling you that you're a piece of *****. This was just an attempt at some constructive criticism. It sounds like you just need to take a step back and focus on things that are actual priorities in your life, not mafia.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I thought the AH and wills would be the major points that would change this game, but it also turned out that the day/night action distribution was a big factor.
Ah, I see I missed the afterparty. Ah well, such is my life right now.
So I enjoyed the game. I wish I could have made the game *more* enjoyable for others rather than less so. Too busy for such a large game. And then when I came back in after Gemma, there was NO WAY that I could have caught up, so I just winged it/phoned it in as best I could.
I knew I was going to screw up Gemma's falseclaim. Even using their posts as references, I couldn't quite make it work logically. That was probably my failing, but I pushed through and did the best I could. And yes, I broke my primary scum rule (don't be lazy) and slipped twice and completely obliterated the bonus I got from Cyan believing my claim on the strength of flavor.
@Cyan: Why was that so convincing? I just googled Arkham Horror, found a wiki, noticed that all spoiled names matched Investigators, then chose one that sorta fit Gemma's claim (and got lucky twice in that there *was* one that fit the claim AND that it wasn't an actual town role already). I was really surprised that you cleared me so hard on just that flavor claim.
I do feel like the resilient nature of items made the game a little swingy (and could have gone the other way if a mafia player had been strongly accepted as town and started accumulating items). I love the idea of the AH, though, and I think a lot of good suggestions for fixes have already been floated.
My apologies to you, Tom; you didn't deserve to be saddled with me at the end there. You did an incredible job of towning, and it was fun playing with you.
So. I'm guessing I would've just been lynched if I *had* managed to kill Killjoy because. Lol if I had "magically" lost my kill.
If you came up with a good name for that ability, let me know
I've already used it few times (in Trigger Happy Havoc as 1-shot), but haven't really been able to name it well at all...
Forensic Investigator is almost the same, but only targets dead players.
I literally have no idea what you are talking about Gemma. There was not over 5 clears in this game.
No you definitely were not. The post said you sent in the cop 3 minutes after the day ended. Which was the lynch.
I didn't take advantage of my differences, and I did describe the way I saw things in detail (especially since my views are more backwards from ordinary). for everyone to ignore my cases simply because I think different, is biased and lazy. of course I won't take kindly to it. but thanks, I've had it good since my first ever game.
Be grateful, always."
Yes, but it is a Night action? I sent it at the very beginning of Night.
I'm not sure when I've ever cared about having the 'high ground'. I play like one game per year at this point. I just want that experience to be the best experience possible. I didn't say anything to LW at any point during the game, despite wanting to multiple times. I've had problems with that in the past, and I'm very aware of that, and didn't want to negatively impact the rest of the playerbase' gameplay experience. But the game is over now.
It's fine to be a new player and make mistakes. Even a bunch of them. It's not fine to be a new player, make mistakes, and act like an arrogant **** and actively make the town's life more difficult. LW flatly stated that he blocked Rhand because of 'tinfoil'. That is unacceptable. Period. If you're paranoid, fine, you're paranoid. But you don't act against the town because of it. And you ESPECIALLY don't ridicule other people because they make choice that you (incorrectly) think were poor.
@Gemma: What are the 5 clears that you are referring to?
@DBS: We didn't ignore your case because you 'think differently'. We tuned you out because you kept acting like an ********(and I know plenty about that), which is especially vexing coming from someone who has apparently one other game played here, and we had a hard time taking anything you said seriously because your viewpoints were just absurd in some aspects. Like. You legitimately believe that people should not clarify things with the Mod. Coming from our perspective of 'people that are rational', this makes everything you say hard to accept, especially when combined with you acting like a jerk toward people to such an extent that one of the Mods had to make a post about it.
My boys Grapefruit and Silver, you guys were a blast to play with, I wish more people would take up your attitudes towards playing mafia. MVPs in my heart
This marks my second game dying as confirmed town, next time I get a role like that I think I'll just use it early lol
I am still exceedingly happy with my early behavioral cases on Prop and Gemma, feeling especially vindicated on the latter since no one wanted to listen to me. Though maybe I should have made that case *after* I cleared myself, gotta pay more attention to the Ethos of the thread. That being said though, with the read accuracy I managed to put up, I should have been posting way more in order to actually any of them through. I'm not so sure if I ended up making a difference this game in the grand scheme of things.
Anyways thanks to the hosts and everything too, gg
I don't understand the confusion here. You got it in as soon as night started. I never said you were late. The comment in the discord was that you got your night action 3 minutes after day ended IE 3 minutes into night starting.
I'm definitely not arrogant... dont even know where that come from
Secondly, if you remember, my poe around the time of my second roleblock, was RE, Tom, and Cyan... but I guess you couldnt deduce that Togs wasnt scum? ya I roleblocked rhand, the tinfoil didnt hurt anyone, and even if it did, well still no need to be so mean...
and lastly, I've had my fair share of good games, you barely know me
well I had fun, gg to everyone including Cyan
Just off the top of my head, Rhand, Killjoy/Atog (I forget which one people soft-cleared for their role, or maybe it was both), Terry, Kamikaze, Wuffles, and RE/lw.
@DBS Everyone has cases get ignored. Silver's really smart heist wolf PoE got ignored to some extent, my less smart SK!Cyan case was largely ignored, and Cyan's Dota is scum case got ignored. It's just from there a matter of how you pursue them. Cyan is a hit of a bulldog in general but in this game he got to unilaterally act on his case. Silver posted eloquent wall after eloquent wall trying to convince people. I mostly flailed around and was rightfully ignored.
If you have the self awareness to realize you're different (which is great, I wish I'd understood myself better 10 years ago) then maybe take the next step and realize we can't intuitively make the connections you do and try to explain them in ways idiots like me will understand. It took me so long to even understand your give the puzzlebox to a suspect theory. I never agreed with it but I eventually saw where it was coming from. Without that understanding I was always either going to ignore it or push you as scum for it.
How was Terry clear? People literally thought he might be scum and that it could have been a gambit.
Same with Rhand got blocked by LW. KJ/Atog were not cleared on roles so IDK what the **** you're talking about there.
RE/LW/DBS were clear because????
Half the players on this list were never cleared. Some of these players KJ/Atog(Who you can't even keep straight because you are so disconnected from this game were both lynched and killed by town).
You were so disconnected from the game I don't even think you know what was going on in this game I don't even know how you can make the statement "Off the top of my head". Its a statement that makes it sound as though you understand what is going on. When you couldn't even keep the game straight and Tom had to hold your hand this whole game.
I'm going to be frank. When you posted I couldn't believe my eyes. I'm surprised you posted at all after the game ended and on top of that I'm pretty sure you managed to type more in a closing statement about a game you couldn't follow then in the entire time of playing the game. I'm insulted to say the least. But really I'm just mad. I had to listen to you and Proph ***** in scum chat the whole game while both of you managed to make such a poor showing in this game I don't even know how to describe it because I've never seen such a pathetic showing. Cantripmancer replaced in on your slot and performed about 100 times better than anything you did in about a 1/4 of the time of playing in the game. You beat Shinichi by one post a player that replaced out day one. You had less posts than me.
I said some similar things in the discord spec chat, but I'd like to formally apologize to D_V, my scumbuddies (especially tom/shadow), and the rest of the players for going MIA Day 3 and completely botching my claim. I'd like to clear up any confusion regarding my actions there.
I saw that I rolled scum this game and thought "well, I'm probably going to go down Day 3/4 for having a pretty terrible scumgame, but I'll try to stick it out until then". Day 1 rolls around and we all do pretty well. I'm like "yeah, let's get tom and shadow their first scum victory!". Then I checked Day 2 and saw that not only did our kill fail, DoTA was shot, which was pretty demoralizing.
Then shadow got copped, and then my motivation to play the game went completely down the drain. I didn't think we could pull it off with so many townies left alive. Around this time as well, I had finals which kept me from playing the game to my fullest potential because I do not like posting as the mafia alignment, and the game was ballooning in size, which made it very difficult for me to keep up or play in any sort of reasonable capacity. Like every time I'd check the thread there would like like 10-20 new posts. I wanted to play on MTGS because the deadlines were long and I could get away with posting once every day or so, but I just got completely deluged in the number of posts.
I told myself that I would jump into the game after my finals, but once I checked the game thread again after I finished my last final, I saw that there were 1000 posts from when I felt that I was properly caught up to the current game thread. I felt like it was absolutely impossible to catch up given the circumstances, and ran a pretty terrible false claim idea (only vanilla, basically to have the mod punish modgaming a la Hobbit Mafia). It didn't work, my lie was caught, and I got lynched to very little fanfare.
When I made the false claim I just put down my computer and lied in bed for around an hour just thinking about this game and how badly I screwed up. The reason why I just gave up on posting afterwards was because constantly thinking about how I was scum this game, how badly I screwed up my false claim, and how mad everyone was going to get at me was just.. extremely unhealthy thinking/damaging to my mental health. Add that to me traveling from Amherst to Seattle and starting my summer and.. it was not pleasant.
Like literally I just wanted to roll town with Grape/Cyan/Togs and have a grand old time bouncing reads off of each other. Instead I had to roll scum again and deceive these people which is just not fun for me. Plus I think I've been scum/town versus RE1031 like, 5 or 6 times? Never been town with her. That blows.
So yeah. I really apologize to everyone involved due to my toxic/gamethrowing behavior, and I think I'm going to take a long break/retirement from the game. I started an internship and I think that my hobbies need to be less stressful, and mafia is a very stressful hobby as either alignment, haha. I just completed a trio of games on Smogon and lost every single one, so it's pretty clear that me crashing and burning would have to happen eventually; unfortunately it happened to be in this game. I think 100+ games and 7 years of mafia played is a good way to end this player's career. I feel pretty bad about my behavior this game and again would like to just extend a couple words of apology to anyone who felt ticked off by my actions
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Losing 2 scum by night 2 heavily swayed this in town's favor and that had little to do with the complicated mechanics of this game. Cyan and Rhand just played really well.
I do think the game was townsided overall though, especially with the number of protective abilities. Tom might have won this if the kills on Dawn and Cyan succeeded, and those occurred after the town doc was killed. Items are really cool and I want to see the mechanic incorporated in other games but it allowed extremely powerful abilities to make it end game where it's vital for scum to make the right kills. Though Rhand should have been killed earlier, so props for the fake claim
What is it?
Kitty Mafia
Easter Egg Mafia
Silence of the Lambs
Mostly Seinen
Arkham Horror
So yeah that's like 5 games we've played with each other and me scum you town in all, which amuses me.
Thanks man! I enjoy playing with you too (at least the games where I don't have to deceive you; I enjoyed working with you in Fairy Tail and Day 1 of the MU hydra game).
Aww man. Don't be a stranger. It's been a lot of fun seeing you in a lot of games and otherwise. I hope we'll continue to see you around even if not in mafia games.
@Grape: I wish more people approached mafia the way you and Silver do. Myself included. You are both wonderful.
@Silver: If you're in a similar situation to this game in the future, I recommend just not revealing anything, except maybe that you're a mandatory Vig, at some point. You might get lynched as SK Anyway(Mandatory Vig is a pretty common SK fake claim), but still.
@Gemma: Terry was never a 'cleared role'. He acted thoroughly town Day 1, and then a sequence of in game events made it obvious that he wasn't scum. There is nothing the Mod can do to prevent DOTA stealing an item that Terry bought, which he could only do via nightkill, while Terry was Doc protected. RE and Atog were never 'soft cleared' for anything. RE only became 'clear' on the final game day, when the person that would have had his scum role flipped. I vigged Atog because he was somewhat scummy, especially early in the game when he was more active, and he was in the Heist POE. We lynched KJ because he didn't know how his own role worked, and it seemed like he was just lying about it. Wuffles literally had to use a one-shot item to be confirmed as town, and even, he seemed less likely town to me at the end of the game than Rhand or RE. Kami was viewed as town because he counter-claimed someone as Doc AND prevented a scum NK. And LW was just behaviorally town. None of these are 'clears' built into the game, they're just player behavior sometimes combined with in game circumstances that a Mod can't do anything about. Maybe you should just play games where everyone is Vanilla? Or maybe you should, you know, actually participate in games that you willingly choose to replace into. When your team needed you more than ever, you chose to contribute nothing. That's really poor for a replacement, and then you just blamed the game instead of at least being honest about the situation.
@Proph: See you a year from now when a game interests me enough to play again.
I'm sorry for your personal problems. My problem with you though is that you have made statements about the game that were not even close to correct for god knows what reason. You sat in mafia chat and complained and in my opinion you took Proph to a worse place in this game. You even managed to not follow the hand given claim that Tom gave you. Gave it your all give me a break.
My overall problem isn't about the lurking. Its you coming into this thread talking about cleared town, which never happened. You had a defeatest attitude when you came into the game and continued it throughout the game. You and Proph both managed to make me have no sympathy for the scum team at all. You came in and instead of arguing against the "clears" or saying "What fake claim could I make to get myself town read." You just *****ed.
I do realize its a game. Games should be fun and probabally you should play correctly too not to hamper your team.
So don't you dare give me the statement "I tried." Because you didn't. You gave the bare minimum effort(Maybe due to personal reasons maybe not). If you had simply come into the thread and say "I'm sorry I had real life things come up, I couldn't play." It really would have just been that. But you came in here and started talking about things that were not true, as though you understood anything you were talking about. That crosses a line to me.
I understand being busy. I don't understand being so busy that I can't play a game and knowing that, and then coming in and talking about the game after the fact when I'm not even right. If I know I'm too busy to play the game, then I know that what I think may have happened is probabally wrong. Its just rude.
Oh well.
As someone who has been in pretty much that exact same situation a couple times in the past, I empathize with you, Gemma. But at the same time, I find it extremely disgusting when people use mental illness as an excuse to go off on someone. DV and Cyan's responses to you may not have been the most constructive they could be. But flying off the handle is completely inappropriate. This game was not your best. We can learn from it and move on, or you can lash out at people about it. One of those is going to be more productive than the other.
Thank you.
I should just let this go, rather than drag it out and make myself look heartless...ah well.
I want you to not sign up for mafia games in the first place if this is the case. Especially when you're replacing into a game that was, at that point, well established. How could you not know that you wouldn't be able to play? Like..it sucks that you have personal problems right now. I wish you didn't. But that doesn't excuse you dragging down everyone else' gameplay experience here, and it doesn't explain why you were constantly *****ing in the scum thread.
Also, no one is telling you that you're a piece of *****. This was just an attempt at some constructive criticism. It sounds like you just need to take a step back and focus on things that are actual priorities in your life, not mafia.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I thought the AH and wills would be the major points that would change this game, but it also turned out that the day/night action distribution was a big factor.
So I enjoyed the game. I wish I could have made the game *more* enjoyable for others rather than less so. Too busy for such a large game. And then when I came back in after Gemma, there was NO WAY that I could have caught up, so I just winged it/phoned it in as best I could.
I knew I was going to screw up Gemma's falseclaim. Even using their posts as references, I couldn't quite make it work logically. That was probably my failing, but I pushed through and did the best I could. And yes, I broke my primary scum rule (don't be lazy) and slipped twice and completely obliterated the bonus I got from Cyan believing my claim on the strength of flavor.
@Cyan: Why was that so convincing? I just googled Arkham Horror, found a wiki, noticed that all spoiled names matched Investigators, then chose one that sorta fit Gemma's claim (and got lucky twice in that there *was* one that fit the claim AND that it wasn't an actual town role already). I was really surprised that you cleared me so hard on just that flavor claim.
I do feel like the resilient nature of items made the game a little swingy (and could have gone the other way if a mafia player had been strongly accepted as town and started accumulating items). I love the idea of the AH, though, and I think a lot of good suggestions for fixes have already been floated.
My apologies to you, Tom; you didn't deserve to be saddled with me at the end there. You did an incredible job of towning, and it was fun playing with you.
Thanks to DV for a fun experience.
Something I will certainly remember in future games, heh.