You're right, Tom's non-traditional abilities were verified.
The better way to put that would be, who has space in their roleclaim for additional, powered abilities such as the beam. That's a list of about three people, by my reckoning, unless the scum got double-powered roles while the town gets derpy unpowered neighbors.
Yeah no *****.
How many times have we gone through this?
You say something. Then walk it back after called out.
Stop treating everyone who is trying to figure out the game like they are dumb.
This is why i think you are scum. You are throeing everyone who has a different opinion as to what is going on into the mud, riddling them with OMGUS, and it's frankly annoying.
If you werent jailed n-2, okay, but shadow DID jail you, correct?
I swear to neptune i am not going crazy, you were roleblocked at some point because your night action failed one night and i coulda swore shadow claimed to have jailed you.
Either way, hard to not see you as scum when i have logical theories.
Shadow jailing himself is NOT NORMAL. It's odd and ******* farfetched and one hell of a move. ESSPECIALLY SINCE IT WORKED.
Forgive me if i have some skeptisism about PEOPLE WHO I THINK ARR SCUM DOING CRAZY *****.
D_V, you are not helping anyone. You haven't done anything but be mean. Exhibit a is nobue.
You even lied about being a girl?
Like, come on.
And then tom HOPES i'm scum. Why? How?!!
Flavorwise IT DOESN'T WORK. How the **** is the captain one of the mutineers? Just. How?
Tom can VERIFY i am the captain of the ship. I'm going full flavor solving right now, hell i feel like it's all we ****in have right now.
WILL KAZIN AMD VEZOK AND AE PLEASE CHIME IN?!!!!!!!!
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AZ spill it. Lets hear all that your hiding. Yup AZ is lying. You caused the redirects didn't you?
If you received a rolecop shot, and thought that it came from Az, why did you also think Az caused the redirects?
Also I still want a read list from you.
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@Thread: I’m not 100% convinced that AE’s progression doesn’t make sense, save for the part above, but in general I’m kind of worried he really could be town with how much there is a collective push for his blood. Yeah, bussing is a thing, but unless he is causing the no flips then whoever busses him won’t even get credit.
Also, to whom it may concern, today is our last real shot at lynching Az without risking instant game loss (this assuming 3 living scum). I think it’s noteworthy that while I think he’s a neutral, and probably very close to claimed, there is a chance he’s been the cause of the no flips. Not a big one, but I think it’s at least a discussion point and I want other people to do their due diligence and reread AE and anyone else you suspect.
(And if someone wants to put another pair of eyes on Vezok, with so many protectives, he worries me)
@Rodemy: Have you asked Iso about the jail thing? If yes, then why are you still bringing it up? If no, then go do that so I can at least try to take you seriously.
AZ spill it. Lets hear all that your hiding. Yup AZ is lying. You caused the redirects didn't you?
If you received a rolecop shot, and thought that it came from Az, why did you also think Az caused the redirects?
Also I still want a read list from you.
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@Thread: I’m not 100% convinced that AE’s progression doesn’t make sense, save for the part above, but in general I’m kind of worried he really could be town with how much there is a collective push for his blood. Yeah, bussing is a thing, but unless he is causing the no flips then whoever busses him won’t even get credit.
Also, to whom it may concern, today is our last real shot at lynching Az without risking instant game loss (this assuming 3 living scum). I think it’s noteworthy that while I think he’s a neutral, and probably very close to claimed, there is a chance he’s been the cause of the no flips. Not a big one, but I think it’s at least a discussion point and I want other people to do their due diligence and reread AE and anyone else you suspect.
(And if someone wants to put another pair of eyes on Vezok, with so many protectives, he worries me)
Hahahahaha. Shadow omg.
You actually want to lynch the neutral? Flips, as helpful as they would be, are no longer gonna help us, ESSPECIALLY since it's been no flip right now.
Lets say he IS the cause of the no flips, you think if we die, every single flip in the game will be revealed?
I doubt it? Logically, we'd have flips from az on.
Azreal, Flying Dutchman, nuetral survivor, has been lynched, and MAYBE a single nk reveal. Not worth the risk of wasting a lynch tonight.
Also that would stil put us at lylo tomorrow if nk is sucessfull.
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@Rodemy: Have you asked Iso about the jail thing? If yes, then why are you still bringing it up? If no, then go do that so I can at least try to take you seriously.
I did.
And i have trouble with it.
Sorry
Again, d_v confirming what you did WHEN THE EXISTANCE OF A SEPERATE ROLEBLOCKER WAS PROVEN BY HIM just logically doesn't click with me.
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@tom: I don't get told if I get shot, but I highly doubt the scum tried to kill me.
@Rodemy: Who do you think is town out of the living players? You have called every single person in the game still alive scum with the exception of Kazin.
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I can't tell if he just doesn't get what happened this game or what.
RODEMY please for the love of god listen.
Shadow's ability works more like a commuter from what I can tell.
Shadow is the one that "Rb'ed me". I asked Iso, Iso said that if a jailer targeted I wouldn't be able to to see.
Shadow then targeted the Mirror and I tried to watch which once again "RB'ed me".
I don't know if you are just choosing to not read the game or what.
I can't tell if he just doesn't get what happened this game or what.
RODEMY please for the love of god listen.
Shadow's ability works more like a commuter from what I can tell.
Shadow is the one that "Rb'ed me". I asked Iso, Iso said that if a jailer targeted I wouldn't be able to to see.
Shadow then targeted the Mirror and I tried to watch which once again "RB'ed me".
I don't know if you are just choosing to not read the game or what.
Why the **** would Vezok be vanilized?
You are mistaking what i am saying:
You got roleblocked n-2. Not jailed. You even said you werent jailed. Shadow jailed Tom.
That means there is a roleblocker present yet you automatically believe this crazy notion that shadow protected himself from the kill becauase your ability failed.
Im sorry if i take my wild actions with a side of scepticism.
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@tom: I don't get told if I get shot, but I highly doubt the scum tried to kill me.
@Rodemy: Who do you think is town out of the living players? You have called every single person in the game still alive scum with the exception of Kazin.
The only person i am 100% is who they say they are is AZ.
Reasons why i think people arr scum:
Tom: Flavor, essentially vanilla minus being a neighbor.
Shadow: N1 action not consistant with D1 attitide, only d_v has been able to confirm his role, N3 action, his entire role in general (no night chat with jailed target,) still alive after d2. (Yeah)
D_V: behavior, dichotomy with shadow, behavior again.
Vezok: lack of posts, lurking, bulletproof
Why i havent added these peoole
Kazin: idk. Someone explain how he was slipcleared? I think it's because:
i keep forgetting he is in the game?
AE: same actually. Keep forgetting he is in the game
Grape: can throw him in the town pile.
Grape: why didnt you use your ability d1?
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You think me and AZ are scum together because only i have confirmed him as nuetral.
What about shadow and D_V?
Unleas i am missing something.
Kazin couldnt because he was already vanillad
Tom couldnt because apparently you arent told you are jailed in this game. And the only way we knew is because shadow claimed to have jailed tom, which submits a clear of d_v on a failed watch on tom.
So d_v targeted tom: action failed becausw of shadow
Dv targets shadow. Shadow confirmation again
Yet you don't have any theory about them being scum together.
D_v watches terry n_1 and sees.. ****. What did you see?
I'm going off memory here. But feel free to yell at me about how crazy i am for thinking these things.
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Okay i am kinda wrong. You do have a "fun tinfoil" but like, me and az are more plausable even tho behaviorally, D_V has been so much more scum, and shadows jailing patterns seem to lead back to d_v.
Idk. I'm not winning this game by myself. But all you guys are putting forth are role ideas. No behavior, just roles.
Ae was cream beamed. Joe was a rolecop, and the other two.. eh. No idea.
Kazin waa towncleared.
So if you all think we have 2 scum left. And you four think the other is town. With kazin townslipped and nobody thinks vezok is scum.
Its me/az/ae.
Which ia bull*****. Maybe ae because od his lurking
But i still am not sure weve lynched scum yet and that bothers me.
So forgive me if i am trying to come up with OTHER options.
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@Rodemy: Please understand that calling every single person alive scum is counter-productive. Nobody is going to listen to you and you'll just get more frustrated,
You should work on solidifying some town reads. Read the game again and try to find behaviour that you feel comes from a town mindset.
I understand your frustration and I'm sorry I'm not contributing more, but I'm half convinced that AE is the last scum and this game has sapped all joy out of it with the no flips.
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@Tom: I definitely have a joe/arc both town tinfoil; and even if they’re not, I’m not sure how we’d know. And as much as I could see it as a scum ploy, the fact that AE did get vanilla’d isn’t nothing.
What you thought had happened at the start of the day. Or why my vote was parked on you all day and was begging people to talk about.
You claimed that you thought Az had targeted you with the rolecop and that Terry was claiming neutral.
Your first post assumes that Az caused the chaos and that Terry knew of the targeting. That to me seems like a weird jump to make when received a shot of role cop from whoever targeted you. I get that you believe you caught him in a lie in 1125 but the jump to kraken is weird. As is the assumption that Terry is counterclaiming neutral.
Then you seem to attempt to resolve the confusion by clarifying what non factional means before Terry claims he targets you. That wouldn't help you figure out what was happening in the world where you believe you were targeted by lying Azrael.
Then there is the seeming contradiction of 1186 and 1294. In the first you say the non factional wording clearing helped you clear up what happened when Terry targeted you, but then you claim you thought Az targeted you till Terry claimed his targets which didn't happen until 1153. You assumed Terry was neutral in 1140.
@Az this is the breakdown of AE's lying. The timeline is really wonky, and his later stated explanation that he assumed you had multiple one shots and had the kraken and the rolecop is a crazy jump to make. It feels like he came into the day with a plan and an agenda.
@Shadow I'll take another look at Vezok when I get a chance. This feels different than his scum game in prison block mafia, but I don't really have a read on him. I'll admit I've been in a bit of a tunnel yesterDay and toDay.
@Rodemy I only have two shots and wanted to try and hold them till they'd be higher impact.
Let it be known i will not let anyone live this down if i am right about at least one scum in tom shadow dv...
fair tbh
Still don't think shadow/DV ever need to skip a kill to win this game though.
I mean, if it WAS them, and we actually have a scum dead, it would solidfy them to endgame. Its s gambit, but a ****in good one. I mean, look at my push on them. Got nowhere.
So, that's a thing.
Can kazin please say SOMEthing.
His ability is a mirror thing too, right? Or a motivator kinda thing? I am a little confused by it because i just can't grasp in my memory exactly what it is.
What was his townclear?
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I am kinda lost on the whole ae case tbh. Just that his d2 was scummy.
His actions don't match up with his claims of what he thought happened to him.
At the start of the day he tries to stop the wagon on Terry thinking he was neutral believing he was targeted by Az. He then assumes Az is a one shot factory and has the kraken as well (nothing to do with the lying, just weird and agenda'y).
Then comes the lie. In 1140 he assumes Terry is neutral explicitly. This is before Terry claimed he targeted AE and at this stage AE believes he was targeted by Az. (1162 establishes this as well, though after Terry claimed targets) Then 1186 happens:
@AE: why did you assume Terry was neutral and not scum?
Because he targeted me. I thought non-factional meant players with no faction...ie neutral. Not town or scum. Thats why I wanted AZ to target me.
Note he was asking about the non factional wording before Terry claimed. He assumed Terry was neutral when he thought Az had targeted him. This isn't a matter of confusion, it's changing his story.
@AE: How did you know it was Terry who targeted you?
I didn't, which is why I said AZ lied. I thought he targeted me.
@Az It's more than weird, it's lying. Yes he got vanilla'd but he's also very scummy behaviorally and for you to say otherwise without offering any evidence isn't something I'm going to follow. He's been caught lying and has avoided answering questions about it for ages now. And it just feels like he's trying to avoid it and hope it goes away.
So I can say stuff, Rod. What do you want me to say? I spend a lot of time observing and check this in either the morning or evening when I have time and the ability to. I chime in with my thoughts on the way I see things. I can give you a long run-down if it makes you feel better? Truth be told, at this point the game has reached a point where a lot goes over my head so by the time I think of angles of approach in my time away considering what we know... or at least THINK we know, I come in and chime in on the parts I want. Since my certainty on Day 1 of D_V/Nobue I have followed along and tried to keep pace. As a first game, playing in a game with so many abilities and zero facts has been really daunting.
So from my angle... There's a random ability causing basically all the players to go "I have an ability that targets X" but that has proven to be near useless between mirrors and random target swapping. People might as well spend Night going. "I target whoever you say I target cause I don't really get a say." Take that a step further... We have people claiming Role cop positions and no one really refuting them in any capacity... nobody claiming to be the only role cop or anything to really work with. When the powers have been called most people seem content to just take them as they are placed in front of us. SO sure, let's say that the right choices have been made.... Neat? How would we know? We're dealing with Day 1 random guess-peculation.
Let's add another step to me in particular. Vanilla beamed before I ever acted and had the chance to learn anything for myself beyond what people say? And then I can just watch behavior. SO sure. Let's start there.
Shadow: Objective from Day 1 and consistent over every day thus far. He regularly comes up with questions that put people into a spot of giving us things to work with? Feels town related as Scum can sit back and let others do work, he hasn't.
Tom: Analyzes and gives feedback with an open and healthy suspicion. If he's scum, my first game with him is showing a level of charisma that makes his posts feel believable so I have given credence to his opinions and followed up on them.
D_V: Since Day 1 has felt volatile and aggressive. I believe it was recently even pointed out how even when he is just answering things or answering questions he treats people like they are stupid. Could be a personality quirk that I disagree with, but it also felt very early on like a defensiveness of a scum fingered early. So instead? It seems he's claimed role cop and people believe him. Meaning that my distaste means naught and I have to trust the other people in game who still have night powers and some form of information gathering who trust him.
You, Rodemy: Let's cover you... You seem as frustrated as I am. So I watch you rail against the walls, jump on every wagon, then back pedal and rail more and go right back on what you've done.
Az: Didn't originally suspect him of anything but being a survivor Neutral. I wanted that dead early when there was lots of fodder and time, but people disagreed... and now I'm not as sure he's the neutral in the game. Now there's a lot of things that could fuel that... like a different neutral could be just a different kind of survivor... or Az lied about his role and could only soul-steal once and he needed to find a way to steal someone's soul and survive to some arbitrary point and win or... some other thing like a neutral that reaches a certain point and becomes one side or another... who knows. Either way, wasn't getting enough support for his death, so we're probably stuck with him till the "Surprise upset win" he pulls off on/after Night 5/6.
AE: Perpetually busy and comes in and answers some things but doesn't add much. When he does, the people who have felt like town to me seem to watch him do the same things you do, Rodemy. Jump on a point, push it hard like he figured something out, then backpedal when met with resistance... Also feels scummy: Hence my vote.
Vezo: Always comes in feeling level headed and answering stuff. Early on he didn't even ping my radar and as you pointed out for me: kept forgetting he was in the game. In later stuff, he's proven to ask questions, respond to things in a way that when I'm reading it feels like fact-finding enough that I've taken notice and watch what he says to help gauge what I'm going to do.
Grapefruit: Once abilities came out, he's quickly gone from someone I wasn't sure about and felt was quiet to someone actively impacting the game. Feels like a heavy town play from me.
Then if you want I'll add in how I slip cleared. Apparently I missed some obvious point about Scum chatting as early as Day 1 and planning what to do. I wasn't aware of that so I pointed out early on that I thought some people might be fact-checking to try and figure out who their scum-buddies were. So... I figured why hide it at that point. I expected Scum to pick off an early cleared Townie so I wasn't expecting to last long. Seems keeping the "Sure thing" around for this long has been the other side of that play. I claimed early cause people were suspicious of the Iso event where I got vanilla'd. Figured the best I could be for town at that point is someone who objectively watched what people say, how they say it, and jumped in on wagons I felt had merit, pointing out the little things I believe might be overlooked.
You wanna know why I'm quiet? Because with no flips and limited info... There's not much I can do but sit quietly, jump on the right wagons (as I see them) and watch others interactions for signs of who is working together/how. Aside from being called out to respond, I didn't see a reason to do the full download of my thoughts, considering people were pushing directions I agree with.
Grape, if AE were scum, he would know exactly where the no reveal crap and vanilla bean are coming from. (Because it's not me).
But he is displaying what appears to be legit confusion regarding who is responsible for these things.
You have portrayed a changing story from a confused person as a lie. Sometimes, people are wondering about multiple possibilities when they are confused.
I think it is far more helpful to note that he was disabled by the scum when he had a rolecop ability, and he was confused about things that the scum would have absolute clarity about. So how does acting really confused as a gambit pay off in any way?
AE is town, and there is no way that AE's head scratching confusion about something that would never confuse a scum, is more sinister Tom's actual malevolence.
You're murdering him for a aingle tell instead of his record as a whole, and it's a town tell, to boot.
Why does scum AE pretend to be confused about this? His confusion wasn't going to get a to be lynched. There is no motivation for him to do that. The town explanation that he was just clueless and making weird assumptions fits so much better.
Grape, if AE were scum, he would know exactly where the no reveal crap and vanilla bean are coming from. (Because it's not me).
AE is town, and there is no way that AE's head scratching confusion about something that would never confuse a scum, is more sinister Tom's actual malevolence.
You're murdering him for a aingle tell instead of his record as a whole, and it's a town tell, to boot.
Jesus!!!!! Nice to see someone seeing things clearly.
[quote from="Archmage Eternal »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/788489-pirates-mafia-day-3-pirates-dont-bathe?comment=1812"]Grape what am I lying about????
What you thought had happened at the start of the day. Or why my vote was parked on you all day and was begging people to talk about.
No I wasn't. Don't think I paid attention to your vote, along with others.
You claimed that you thought Az had targeted you with the rolecop and that Terry was claiming neutral.
Yes I thought Az targeted me because I told him to and he said ok. Did I think Terry was claiming neutral? I'll have to go back and see...
Your first post assumes that Az caused the chaos and that Terry knew of the targeting. That to me seems like a weird jump to make when received a shot of role cop from whoever targeted you. I get that you believe you caught him in a lie in 1125 but the jump to kraken is weird. As is the assumption that Terry is counterclaiming neutral.
No, my 1st post is 1124 sayn to stop voting. Point to me where your seeing this.
Then you seem to attempt to resolve the confusion by clarifying what non factional means before Terry claims he targets you. That wouldn't help you figure out what was happening in the world where you believe you were targeted by lying Azrael.
Huh? Ok I see where I thought Terry was claiming Neutral. In post 1127 he says "Az is definitely lying". I was thinking non town/scum could only target me, thats why I asked
Then there is the seeming contradiction of 1186 and 1294. In the first you say the non factional wording clearing helped you clear up what happened when Terry targeted you, but then you claim you thought Az targeted you till Terry claimed his targets which didn't happen until 1153. You assumed Terry was neutral in 1140.
I'll look these over but I thought I could only gain the ability if a neutral targeted me. Az said he didn't target me, so if he was neutral he was lying.
In post 1137 I asked Terry if he thought Az was scum. If he said yes, to me that would have been confirmation that Terry was neutral.
The timeline is not wonky. If you want we can break down each post to start that day.
A voice roars across the ship: "SHADOWLANCERX, FIRE THE CANNONS!" shadowlancerx crosses his arms. "I don't want to. You saw what happened to the last two guys that did that."
Suddenly, the mast swings, knocking shadowlancerx over. In the kerfuffle, the flint in his pistol sparks against the nearby cannon (conveniently pre-loaded), which fires and covers him in soot.
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"Sounds like they were ready to be done with it. They didn't wait to see if the killing stopped?"
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"So...it was over?"
"Not yet. They still had one last hope."
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Yeah no *****.
How many times have we gone through this?
You say something. Then walk it back after called out.
Stop treating everyone who is trying to figure out the game like they are dumb.
This is why i think you are scum. You are throeing everyone who has a different opinion as to what is going on into the mud, riddling them with OMGUS, and it's frankly annoying.
If you werent jailed n-2, okay, but shadow DID jail you, correct?
I swear to neptune i am not going crazy, you were roleblocked at some point because your night action failed one night and i coulda swore shadow claimed to have jailed you.
Either way, hard to not see you as scum when i have logical theories.
Shadow jailing himself is NOT NORMAL. It's odd and ******* farfetched and one hell of a move. ESSPECIALLY SINCE IT WORKED.
Forgive me if i have some skeptisism about PEOPLE WHO I THINK ARR SCUM DOING CRAZY *****.
D_V, you are not helping anyone. You haven't done anything but be mean. Exhibit a is nobue.
You even lied about being a girl?
Like, come on.
And then tom HOPES i'm scum. Why? How?!!
Flavorwise IT DOESN'T WORK. How the **** is the captain one of the mutineers? Just. How?
Tom can VERIFY i am the captain of the ship. I'm going full flavor solving right now, hell i feel like it's all we ****in have right now.
WILL KAZIN AMD VEZOK AND AE PLEASE CHIME IN?!!!!!!!!
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@Thread: I’m not 100% convinced that AE’s progression doesn’t make sense, save for the part above, but in general I’m kind of worried he really could be town with how much there is a collective push for his blood. Yeah, bussing is a thing, but unless he is causing the no flips then whoever busses him won’t even get credit.
Also, to whom it may concern, today is our last real shot at lynching Az without risking instant game loss (this assuming 3 living scum). I think it’s noteworthy that while I think he’s a neutral, and probably very close to claimed, there is a chance he’s been the cause of the no flips. Not a big one, but I think it’s at least a discussion point and I want other people to do their due diligence and reread AE and anyone else you suspect.
(And if someone wants to put another pair of eyes on Vezok, with so many protectives, he worries me)
But he was roleblocked.
Or he is ****in lying
I like to think he he lying.
Also, totally forfot vezok was bp
With this new mirror jailer combo,
Um, no?
Why hasnt vezok been cream beamed yet? Why havent we taken into account his lack of words?
Why aren't we actually doing behavior analysis?
Hahahahaha. Shadow omg.
You actually want to lynch the neutral? Flips, as helpful as they would be, are no longer gonna help us, ESSPECIALLY since it's been no flip right now.
Lets say he IS the cause of the no flips, you think if we die, every single flip in the game will be revealed?
I doubt it? Logically, we'd have flips from az on.
Azreal, Flying Dutchman, nuetral survivor, has been lynched, and MAYBE a single nk reveal. Not worth the risk of wasting a lynch tonight.
Also that would stil put us at lylo tomorrow if nk is sucessfull.
I did.
And i have trouble with it.
Sorry
Again, d_v confirming what you did WHEN THE EXISTANCE OF A SEPERATE ROLEBLOCKER WAS PROVEN BY HIM just logically doesn't click with me.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
D_V sighs, rolls his eyes, and gets to cleaning the ship for the rest of the Day and Night.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Rodemy: Who do you think is town out of the living players? You have called every single person in the game still alive scum with the exception of Kazin.
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I can't tell if he just doesn't get what happened this game or what.
RODEMY please for the love of god listen.
Shadow's ability works more like a commuter from what I can tell.
Shadow is the one that "Rb'ed me". I asked Iso, Iso said that if a jailer targeted I wouldn't be able to to see.
Shadow then targeted the Mirror and I tried to watch which once again "RB'ed me".
I don't know if you are just choosing to not read the game or what.
Why the **** would Vezok be vanilized?
You are mistaking what i am saying:
You got roleblocked n-2. Not jailed. You even said you werent jailed. Shadow jailed Tom.
That means there is a roleblocker present yet you automatically believe this crazy notion that shadow protected himself from the kill becauase your ability failed.
Im sorry if i take my wild actions with a side of scepticism.
And shsodw jailed tom.
Okay.
Im Dumb
The only person i am 100% is who they say they are is AZ.
Reasons why i think people arr scum:
Tom: Flavor, essentially vanilla minus being a neighbor.
Shadow: N1 action not consistant with D1 attitide, only d_v has been able to confirm his role, N3 action, his entire role in general (no night chat with jailed target,) still alive after d2. (Yeah)
D_V: behavior, dichotomy with shadow, behavior again.
Vezok: lack of posts, lurking, bulletproof
Why i havent added these peoole
Kazin: idk. Someone explain how he was slipcleared? I think it's because:
i keep forgetting he is in the game?
AE: same actually. Keep forgetting he is in the game
Grape: can throw him in the town pile.
Grape: why didnt you use your ability d1?
Think we'd be fine lynching him tomorrow if that's what we want. Unless you have a joe/arch both town tinfoil.
@vezok
Yeah I don't think it happened either. Just being thorough.
@rod/AZ
Lol
You think me and AZ are scum together because only i have confirmed him as nuetral.
What about shadow and D_V?
Unleas i am missing something.
Kazin couldnt because he was already vanillad
Tom couldnt because apparently you arent told you are jailed in this game. And the only way we knew is because shadow claimed to have jailed tom, which submits a clear of d_v on a failed watch on tom.
So d_v targeted tom: action failed becausw of shadow
Dv targets shadow. Shadow confirmation again
Yet you don't have any theory about them being scum together.
D_v watches terry n_1 and sees.. ****. What did you see?
I'm going off memory here. But feel free to yell at me about how crazy i am for thinking these things.
But I think both of them are townier than both of you
Idk. I'm not winning this game by myself. But all you guys are putting forth are role ideas. No behavior, just roles.
Ae was cream beamed. Joe was a rolecop, and the other two.. eh. No idea.
Kazin waa towncleared.
So if you all think we have 2 scum left. And you four think the other is town. With kazin townslipped and nobody thinks vezok is scum.
Its me/az/ae.
Which ia bull*****. Maybe ae because od his lurking
But i still am not sure weve lynched scum yet and that bothers me.
So forgive me if i am trying to come up with OTHER options.
If grape, tom, d_v and Shadow all think the other is town.
Nobody thinks vezok is scum.
Nobody thinks kazin is scum.
So thst leaves me ae and az.
I can 100% say its not az and i so that leaves ae.
I dont think he is last scum. I think joe was town, dota was toen and barbarosa was town.
So i think we still have 3 scum.
Lets say the fab 4 are all town.
That leaves vezok ae and kazin.
Plausable since NONE of them sre contributing.
Entire scumteam lurking? Or is that just as dumb as dv tom shadow?
DV and grape have been my top towns since long before the claims.
You should work on solidifying some town reads. Read the game again and try to find behaviour that you feel comes from a town mindset.
I understand your frustration and I'm sorry I'm not contributing more, but I'm half convinced that AE is the last scum and this game has sapped all joy out of it with the no flips.
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I'm done tinfoiling. Lead the way guys.
He has been non-existant for like 2 days now.
vote ae
Still don't think shadow/DV ever need to skip a kill to win this game though.
@Az this is the breakdown of AE's lying. The timeline is really wonky, and his later stated explanation that he assumed you had multiple one shots and had the kraken and the rolecop is a crazy jump to make. It feels like he came into the day with a plan and an agenda.
@Rodemy I only have two shots and wanted to try and hold them till they'd be higher impact.
Rod is likely town. AE is strongly town.
Tom is simply vile. I'll leave it up to you guys to mop up his teammates, but he is steering you all on a course straight to loser town.
I mean, if it WAS them, and we actually have a scum dead, it would solidfy them to endgame. Its s gambit, but a ****in good one. I mean, look at my push on them. Got nowhere.
So, that's a thing.
Can kazin please say SOMEthing.
His ability is a mirror thing too, right? Or a motivator kinda thing? I am a little confused by it because i just can't grasp in my memory exactly what it is.
What was his townclear?
His actions don't match up with his claims of what he thought happened to him.
At the start of the day he tries to stop the wagon on Terry thinking he was neutral believing he was targeted by Az. He then assumes Az is a one shot factory and has the kraken as well (nothing to do with the lying, just weird and agenda'y).
Then comes the lie. In 1140 he assumes Terry is neutral explicitly. This is before Terry claimed he targeted AE and at this stage AE believes he was targeted by Az. (1162 establishes this as well, though after Terry claimed targets) Then 1186 happens:
Note he was asking about the non factional wording before Terry claimed. He assumed Terry was neutral when he thought Az had targeted him. This isn't a matter of confusion, it's changing his story.
And 1294 goes back to the original story.
@Az It's more than weird, it's lying. Yes he got vanilla'd but he's also very scummy behaviorally and for you to say otherwise without offering any evidence isn't something I'm going to follow. He's been caught lying and has avoided answering questions about it for ages now. And it just feels like he's trying to avoid it and hope it goes away.
Vote: ArchmageEternal
unvote vote archmage
Azrael (1): DV
Tom (1): AZ
Not voting (3): shadow, vezok, archmage
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So from my angle... There's a random ability causing basically all the players to go "I have an ability that targets X" but that has proven to be near useless between mirrors and random target swapping. People might as well spend Night going. "I target whoever you say I target cause I don't really get a say." Take that a step further... We have people claiming Role cop positions and no one really refuting them in any capacity... nobody claiming to be the only role cop or anything to really work with. When the powers have been called most people seem content to just take them as they are placed in front of us. SO sure, let's say that the right choices have been made.... Neat? How would we know? We're dealing with Day 1 random guess-peculation.
Let's add another step to me in particular. Vanilla beamed before I ever acted and had the chance to learn anything for myself beyond what people say? And then I can just watch behavior. SO sure. Let's start there.
Shadow: Objective from Day 1 and consistent over every day thus far. He regularly comes up with questions that put people into a spot of giving us things to work with? Feels town related as Scum can sit back and let others do work, he hasn't.
Tom: Analyzes and gives feedback with an open and healthy suspicion. If he's scum, my first game with him is showing a level of charisma that makes his posts feel believable so I have given credence to his opinions and followed up on them.
D_V: Since Day 1 has felt volatile and aggressive. I believe it was recently even pointed out how even when he is just answering things or answering questions he treats people like they are stupid. Could be a personality quirk that I disagree with, but it also felt very early on like a defensiveness of a scum fingered early. So instead? It seems he's claimed role cop and people believe him. Meaning that my distaste means naught and I have to trust the other people in game who still have night powers and some form of information gathering who trust him.
You, Rodemy: Let's cover you... You seem as frustrated as I am. So I watch you rail against the walls, jump on every wagon, then back pedal and rail more and go right back on what you've done.
Az: Didn't originally suspect him of anything but being a survivor Neutral. I wanted that dead early when there was lots of fodder and time, but people disagreed... and now I'm not as sure he's the neutral in the game. Now there's a lot of things that could fuel that... like a different neutral could be just a different kind of survivor... or Az lied about his role and could only soul-steal once and he needed to find a way to steal someone's soul and survive to some arbitrary point and win or... some other thing like a neutral that reaches a certain point and becomes one side or another... who knows. Either way, wasn't getting enough support for his death, so we're probably stuck with him till the "Surprise upset win" he pulls off on/after Night 5/6.
AE: Perpetually busy and comes in and answers some things but doesn't add much. When he does, the people who have felt like town to me seem to watch him do the same things you do, Rodemy. Jump on a point, push it hard like he figured something out, then backpedal when met with resistance... Also feels scummy: Hence my vote.
Vezo: Always comes in feeling level headed and answering stuff. Early on he didn't even ping my radar and as you pointed out for me: kept forgetting he was in the game. In later stuff, he's proven to ask questions, respond to things in a way that when I'm reading it feels like fact-finding enough that I've taken notice and watch what he says to help gauge what I'm going to do.
Grapefruit: Once abilities came out, he's quickly gone from someone I wasn't sure about and felt was quiet to someone actively impacting the game. Feels like a heavy town play from me.
Then if you want I'll add in how I slip cleared. Apparently I missed some obvious point about Scum chatting as early as Day 1 and planning what to do. I wasn't aware of that so I pointed out early on that I thought some people might be fact-checking to try and figure out who their scum-buddies were. So... I figured why hide it at that point. I expected Scum to pick off an early cleared Townie so I wasn't expecting to last long. Seems keeping the "Sure thing" around for this long has been the other side of that play. I claimed early cause people were suspicious of the Iso event where I got vanilla'd. Figured the best I could be for town at that point is someone who objectively watched what people say, how they say it, and jumped in on wagons I felt had merit, pointing out the little things I believe might be overlooked.
You wanna know why I'm quiet? Because with no flips and limited info... There's not much I can do but sit quietly, jump on the right wagons (as I see them) and watch others interactions for signs of who is working together/how. Aside from being called out to respond, I didn't see a reason to do the full download of my thoughts, considering people were pushing directions I agree with.
But he is displaying what appears to be legit confusion regarding who is responsible for these things.
You have portrayed a changing story from a confused person as a lie. Sometimes, people are wondering about multiple possibilities when they are confused.
I think it is far more helpful to note that he was disabled by the scum when he had a rolecop ability, and he was confused about things that the scum would have absolute clarity about. So how does acting really confused as a gambit pay off in any way?
AE is town, and there is no way that AE's head scratching confusion about something that would never confuse a scum, is more sinister Tom's actual malevolence.
You're murdering him for a aingle tell instead of his record as a whole, and it's a town tell, to boot.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Who cares what you think? The game is already over.
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Jesus!!!!! Nice to see someone seeing things clearly.
I was thinking maybe AZ had a multi purpose role. Extra things to help him survive.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
No I wasn't. Don't think I paid attention to your vote, along with others.
Yes I thought Az targeted me because I told him to and he said ok. Did I think Terry was claiming neutral? I'll have to go back and see...
No, my 1st post is 1124 sayn to stop voting. Point to me where your seeing this.
Huh? Ok I see where I thought Terry was claiming Neutral. In post 1127 he says "Az is definitely lying". I was thinking non town/scum could only target me, thats why I asked
I'll look these over but I thought I could only gain the ability if a neutral targeted me. Az said he didn't target me, so if he was neutral he was lying.
In post 1137 I asked Terry if he thought Az was scum. If he said yes, to me that would have been confirmation that Terry was neutral.
The timeline is not wonky. If you want we can break down each post to start that day.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Suddenly, the mast swings, knocking shadowlancerx over. In the kerfuffle, the flint in his pistol sparks against the nearby cannon (conveniently pre-loaded), which fires and covers him in soot.
shadowlancerx coughs out a cloud of dust. "Ugh. I don't feel well."
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Archmage Eternal (5): Kazin Drake, tomsloger, Grapefruit21, Rodemy, vezokpiraka (L-0)
tomsloger (1): Rodemy
Azrael (1): D_V
That is a lynch.
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"The next person they threw off was the second mate. They didn't even let him walk the plank - they just tossed him into the water."
"Sounds like they were ready to be done with it. They didn't wait to see if the killing stopped?"
"The chill in the air told them that they weren't done. In fact, the stillness of the waters told them they hadn't even gotten rid of a single mutineer."
"So...it was over?"
"Not yet. They still had one last hope."
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It is now Night 4. Night actions are due to me within 48 hours of this post.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player