Oh and if we are talking about how one would play as scum...
Y'all really think me/Joe is a viable team? Seen it mentioned a couple times.
Especially if we knew about no flips... but even if not we would habe powerwolfed not me being first to call him out yesterday. And iirc first to call him out again for hammering.
Not like this means anything if we don't get his flip but come on.
I'm at
Joe + [dawn>>dota] + ???? Pretty definitively rn.
With grape being my top behavioral town as well as probably not scum with Joe barring that whole slip thing being antispew but, again, why bother in no flips.
If kazin is scum it would almost have to be either with shadow or in, like, a lost wolf role that doesn't get to join the scumteam til later (or both if mainteam knew about him and that was shadow finding his lost wolf) and both of those seem... a bit silly/reachy
DV I think is reacting genuinely / doesn't know what's going on any more than me.
Vezok I still really liked his reaction to dota but I suppose he gets a bit less cred if dota town.
Shadow kinda the opposite where he's probably not w/w with dawning but looks a lot worse if she was town.
Overall I like vezok for town a little more in a vacuum but those two flips change the order of the two.
Rodemy probably goes between them. Still ~lock scum if AZ is, but AZ is probably just neutral. Really minor sign to being with Joe (in fact I'd like a sanity check on that I'll quote it)
Archmage... I'd kinda expect him and Joe "finding each other" to be more played up if it was totally faked...
But still don't really know what to even base a read on there
Az neutral
Joe scum
So rhand/kami/grape
dv/kazin
vezok/rodemy
shadow/archmage
azrael/dota
joeterry/dawning
So let me get this straight. N1 terry was redirected to rolecop AE, and in return AE's mirror ability (for nonfactional abilities I'm guessing, otherwise really confused where nonfactional came up to cause AE to think Terry was the neutral but not insta vote Az) rolecopped Terry. Terry hasn't claimed a N2 target but wants to lynch Az.
All of this makes me wonder why Terry didn't target Az N2. Especially since the existence of AE's role makes it even harder for Az to fulfil his scary win con, as opposed to just surviving (I think I've got this all straight).
Well part of this is wrong, the other part is a scum slip.
I never said AE's ability was a mirror ability and neither did AE. That means AE and Grape are scum together! You going to claim neighbors with him too? I demand answers now!
The bolded could easily be nothing.
But the "too" is a little weird to me.
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Rodemy+Az
Obvious reasons.
There's no doubt in my mind that the two of them could come up with it. And AZ not confirming soul steal with anyone else n2 as well as the (admittedly pretty minor) sign of communication)
shadow+kazin
Talked about in my last post. Not sure it actually matters if it's a coached derptell or weird role interaction. It's the sort of thing I'd go for, so shadow probably would too and kazin is the perfect sort of competent noob to pull it off with.
Do I actually think either of these things is likely? No, probably not.
But
rodemy + Joeterry
See above. Idk if real.
grape + archmage
Throwing joeterry a bone and including.
And I think any sane person should have, like, a 3 of [me/shadow/rodemy/dv/grape] team. I don't think it's any of that. Wanna say shadow/rod/grape or me/dv/grape are most likely, so I'll say the one I'm not in.
Dota + rhand
Kamikaze copied the NK. Somewhere there's a role of some kind that stopped the real NK.
Idk what to say about this one **** you iso
Only other thing I want to share from #neighborhoodreads is that rodemy seemed to react townie to no flip.
It came after I had already reacted so mitigated a bit but he did call iso a cheeky dickwaffle which I enjoyed
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Joe is done claiming until later, if his nigh 1 result claims different than what he says we’ll have a dichotomy which would be a boon in a no flip game, guaranteed kill on scum.
Also Tom, I don’t recall you ever theory crafting with teams that included yourself on them quite like that before, is my memory failing me or are you being weird?
Also Tom, I don’t recall you ever theory crafting with teams that included yourself on them quite like that before, is my memory failing me or are you being weird?
I go where the wind takes me
I'm sure I've done that before though idk when. I know in symp games I often claim who I'd be symp to (Still grape/dv btw but idk if symp + no flip even makes sense) which is pretty similar
Pretty sure I want a fullclaim out of Joe though. Preferably early in the claim process.
Maybe he just claims who else he targeted and we figure out what to do from there.
I'm ok with archmage claiming first, especially since it seems he confirms much of joes claim?
Joe has fullclained, the only thing he hasn’t claimed is who he targeted night 1, and I think it’s smart to let him hold that until later, regardless of his alignment.
Id like him to claim "who", and then maybe "what" (after discussion in which the "who" should be included)
On the off chance that the “who” is scum, then they know that they have to true claim and go with it. If he doesn’t reveal now then we have a shot at a dichotomy.
@Rodemy: I’m facilitating because it’s the right play.
@Tom: in a no flip game a dichotomy is great, guaranteed scum when we otherwise don’t know anything. And if we’re very lucky, the scum we do kill is responsible for the no flips. (If the no flips aren’t a scum ability then we’re just screwed anyway.)
Flips are superfluous, especially since we're getting role-names. If you're not solving the entire game day one before any flips at all, you're clearly not trying hard enough.
@Rodemy: I’m facilitating because it’s the right play.
@Tom: in a no flip game a dichotomy is great, guaranteed scum when we otherwise don’t know anything. And if we’re very lucky, the scum we do kill is responsible for the no flips. (If the no flips aren’t a scum ability then we’re just screwed anyway.)
Nothing counter balances that ability. My ability is one shot. If it WAS a scum ability, it is overpowered as **** concidering it's a multishot or it lasts as long as they are alive.
Concidering we saw no in game ability triggers minus the kraken, i think it's a game mechanic. I never got an answer to my question yesterday... @iso ARE WE STILL BEING EFFECTED BY THE KRAKEN?. We never saw a resolution to that and i feel like the players are owed at least that much. At least tell us if you cant say anything.
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I'm Ratspine, Second mate. (my post early game asking who the 1st was is why)
Town Chameleon. So yea, when targeted I gain a one shot of the ability.
And does this allow you to effectively role-cop the ability you gain, IE, you would receive details on what the ability does?
Obviously, I'd have no issue targeting you with my ability if that's the case, though I'd be inclined to still hold off from raising my soul count to two, unless we lynch Terry today. Also, we should lynch terry today. Oh, wait. So you have a rolecop now, and you can verify me also? Splendid! Let's kill Terry AND I'll skip taking a soul again, you confirm me, everyone's happy.
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I'm Ratspine, Second mate. (my post early game asking who the 1st was is why)
Town Chameleon. So yea, when targeted I gain a one shot of the ability.
And does this allow you to effectively role-cop the ability you gain, IE, you would receive details on what the ability does?
Obviously, I'd have no issue targeting you with my ability if that's the case, though I'd be inclined to still hold off from raising my soul count to two, unless we lynch Terry today. Also, we should lynch terry today. Oh, wait. So you have a rolecop now, and you can verify me also? Splendid! Let's kill Terry AND I'll skip taking a soul again, you confirm me, everyone's happy.
Why the hell would we waste a rolecop on you? Will that help us catch scum? I'm pretty sure we can take you for your word and make us all lose. No point in keeping you around because clearly you have no interest in actually catching scum.
@Tom: You’ve mentioned me being much more likely to be scum if dawning was town a lot, but as far as I can tell that is solely based on the fact that I wanted to lynch her because of playstyle moreso than behavior, is that it or am I missing something else?
Can you give a real read on me not having to do with dawning, because it feels very one dimensional; sort of reminds me of the Anak/KJ “dichotomy” that you pushed in Low fantasy.
Also are you just neighbors with Rod or do you have something additional like he did? (You’re up)
@Tom: You’ve mentioned me being much more likely to be scum if dawning was town a lot, but as far as I can tell that is solely based on the fact that I wanted to lynch her because of playstyle moreso than behavior, is that it or am I missing something else?
Can you give a real read on me not having to do with dawning, because it feels very one dimensional; sort of reminds me of the Anak/KJ “dichotomy” that you pushed in Low fantasy.
Also are you just neighbors with Rod or do you have something additional like he did? (You’re up)
mostly you've mentioned that actually, and no that's not particularly correct.
I've given lots of reads on you. Some of them are bound to be real/right.
I'm just a neighbor
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Adding bulletproof to the mix with two claimed ~docs brings it further into the realms of impossibility. Wouldn't mind seeing vezok rolecopped to confirm it's real, but eh. Doubt that's the fakeclaim scum gives here.
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That is a good question though. I just isoed Joe and didn't see him signalling archmage in any way. I wasn't looking for that specifically but I did look for signs of theater and feels like that should have pinged me
@Tom: You’ve mentioned me being much more likely to be scum if dawning was town a lot, but as far as I can tell that is solely based on the fact that I wanted to lynch her because of playstyle moreso than behavior, is that it or am I missing something else?
Can you give a real read on me not having to do with dawning, because it feels very one dimensional; sort of reminds me of the Anak/KJ “dichotomy” that you pushed in Low fantasy.
Also are you just neighbors with Rod or do you have something additional like he did? (You’re up)
mostly you've mentioned that actually, and no that's not particularly correct.
I've given lots of reads on you. Some of them are bound to be real/right.
I'm just a neighbor
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Adding bulletproof to the mix with two claimed ~docs brings it further into the realms of impossibility. Wouldn't mind seeing vezok rolecopped to confirm it's real, but eh. Doubt that's the fakeclaim scum gives here.
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That is a good question though. I just isoed Joe and didn't see him signalling archmage in any way. I wasn't looking for that specifically but I did look for signs of theater and feels like that should have pinged me
Umm, I claimed I targeted him at the beginning of the day. He knew my ability because I'm sure he got a pm explaining it.
Thank you Archmage. I'm ok claiming, but my claim alone won't really save me, so in a way, tom is right. If I don't want to get mislynched I need to put some leg work into it, but with no flips I don't see a ton of help I can be.
I will say that Archmage knows my role. I won't say how. I will flavor claim.
I'm Sharkbait, Navigator. I'm curious to see where Archmage takes this baton I've handed him.
as far as I can tell, this is the first signal of who you targeted, and arch had already yelled at you to claim and you're already saying he knows.
Thank you Archmage. I'm ok claiming, but my claim alone won't really save me, so in a way, tom is right. If I don't want to get mislynched I need to put some leg work into it, but with no flips I don't see a ton of help I can be.
I will say that Archmage knows my role. I won't say how. I will flavor claim.
I'm Sharkbait, Navigator. I'm curious to see where Archmage takes this baton I've handed him.
as far as I can tell, this is the first signal of who you targeted, and arch had already yelled at you to claim and you're already saying he knows.
I doubt his PM said "you were targeted by someone really stinky"
Well I think my favorite interpretation is joe/arch w/w, hopefully with [dawn/dota] as the third. Wanna say that sort of plan is extra viable in no flip. Corroborated by joe going right for grape in his slip push
But probably more likely scumjoe had a different thing to claim and switched up after targeting townarch. Makes sense.
There's another world, where Terry is town and archmage is sort of in soft role dichotomies with both Terry and kamikaze. Like, he gets role info AND copies abilities?
Not sure there's a v/v world here? Weird that Joe hasn't particularly suspected arch today.
i think we got 1 with dbs or dota. Then Eliminate the flip talkers, vezo, rod and AE. That leaves, shadow, Tom, dv, Kazin and grape. I think shadow seems town, I kind of think Tom is town just in mod gaming. Grape and kazin have seemed kind of sidesteppey, so they might be scum with dbs I think. DV seems like they are playing town after the nobue garbage. I could swap dv with gf on that guess maybe
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Well that was perfect timing. I fired my ability well before the mass claim was decided, but nice of Iso to come and confirm it, just when it's my turn. I'm Jack the deckhand. I have two shots where I make someone swab the deck. I choose a target during the day, and there is a mod announcement that they're swabbing the deck. While they're swabbing overnight abilities that target them target the person who fired them instead. I was planning on using it on Tom yesterday, but the day ended before I could use it. Was choosing between tom, Rod, and Kazin but figured Tom had the most chance at having a useful role after D1 to protect.
Anyway there is no way that DBS, Dota, Vezok, and myself are all town. That's just too much. Makes me feel more confident that we got one in Dota. And I don't hate lynching Vezok here.
Since Dota is probably scum I need to reassess on Terry. I don't like the way any of this has gone, but fast hammering a buddy like that in a no flip game is super weird.
I think that makes Vezok the lynch today (because that makes 100% sure we've lynched scum), but definitely want to finish claiming first.
Well that was perfect timing. I fired my ability well before the mass claim was decided, but nice of Iso to come and confirm it, just when it's my turn. I'm Jack the deckhand. I have two shots where I make someone swab the deck. I choose a target during the day, and there is a mod announcement that they're swabbing the deck. While they're swabbing overnight abilities that target them target the person who fired them instead. I was planning on using it on Tom yesterday, but the day ended before I could use it. Was choosing between tom, Rod, and Kazin but figured Tom had the most chance at having a useful role after D1 to protect.
Anyway there is no way that DBS, Dota, Vezok, and myself are all town. That's just too much. Makes me feel more confident that we got one in Dota. And I don't hate lynching Vezok here.
Since Dota is probably scum I need to reassess on Terry. I don't like the way any of this has gone, but fast hammering a buddy like that in a no flip game is super weird.
I think that makes Vezok the lynch today (because that makes 100% sure we've lynched scum), but definitely want to finish claiming first.
Vote: Vezok
Vezo talked too much about flips Day 1 to be scum with a person stopping flips. Unless some one comes and claims flip stopper that I think is town then I doubt vezo is scum
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Y'all really think me/Joe is a viable team? Seen it mentioned a couple times.
Especially if we knew about no flips... but even if not we would habe powerwolfed not me being first to call him out yesterday. And iirc first to call him out again for hammering.
Not like this means anything if we don't get his flip but come on.
I'm at
Joe + [dawn>>dota] + ???? Pretty definitively rn.
With grape being my top behavioral town as well as probably not scum with Joe barring that whole slip thing being antispew but, again, why bother in no flips.
If kazin is scum it would almost have to be either with shadow or in, like, a lost wolf role that doesn't get to join the scumteam til later (or both if mainteam knew about him and that was shadow finding his lost wolf) and both of those seem... a bit silly/reachy
DV I think is reacting genuinely / doesn't know what's going on any more than me.
Vezok I still really liked his reaction to dota but I suppose he gets a bit less cred if dota town.
Shadow kinda the opposite where he's probably not w/w with dawning but looks a lot worse if she was town.
Overall I like vezok for town a little more in a vacuum but those two flips change the order of the two.
Rodemy probably goes between them. Still ~lock scum if AZ is, but AZ is probably just neutral. Really minor sign to being with Joe (in fact I'd like a sanity check on that I'll quote it)
Archmage... I'd kinda expect him and Joe "finding each other" to be more played up if it was totally faked...
But still don't really know what to even base a read on there
Az neutral
Joe scum
So
rhand/kami/grapedv/kazin
vezok/rodemy
shadow/archmage
azrael/
dotajoeterry/
dawningThe bolded could easily be nothing.
But the "too" is a little weird to me.
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Tinfoil worlds:
Rodemy+Az
Obvious reasons.
There's no doubt in my mind that the two of them could come up with it. And AZ not confirming soul steal with anyone else n2 as well as the (admittedly pretty minor) sign of communication)
shadow+kazin
Talked about in my last post. Not sure it actually matters if it's a coached derptell or weird role interaction. It's the sort of thing I'd go for, so shadow probably would too and kazin is the perfect sort of competent noob to pull it off with.
Do I actually think either of these things is likely? No, probably not.
But
rodemy + Joeterry
See above. Idk if real.
grape + archmage
Throwing joeterry a bone and including.
And I think any sane person should have, like, a 3 of [me/shadow/rodemy/dv/grape] team. I don't think it's any of that. Wanna say shadow/rod/grape or me/dv/grape are most likely, so I'll say the one I'm not in.
Dota + rhand
Kamikaze copied the NK. Somewhere there's a role of some kind that stopped the real NK.
Idk what to say about this one **** you iso
Only other thing I want to share from #neighborhoodreads is that rodemy seemed to react townie to no flip.
It came after I had already reacted so mitigated a bit but he did call iso a cheeky dickwaffle which I enjoyed
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Joeterry (3): azrael, rodemy, kazin
Azrael (1): joeterry
Not voting (6): tom, shadow, grape, DV, archmage, vezok
Joe and archmage need to finish claiming. Then we can proceed with whatever version of massclaim we're doing
Though yes, Archmage should claim.
I go where the wind takes me
I'm sure I've done that before though idk when. I know in symp games I often claim who I'd be symp to (Still grape/dv btw but idk if symp + no flip even makes sense) which is pretty similar
Maybe he just claims who else he targeted and we figure out what to do from there.
I'm ok with archmage claiming first, especially since it seems he confirms much of joes claim?
Id like him to claim "who", and then maybe "what" (after discussion in which the "who" should be included)
Dichotomy doesn't do much in no flip though
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Shadow facilitating this seems planned.
I hate this game.
vote iso
@Tom: in a no flip game a dichotomy is great, guaranteed scum when we otherwise don’t know anything. And if we’re very lucky, the scum we do kill is responsible for the no flips. (If the no flips aren’t a scum ability then we’re just screwed anyway.)
< Not trying hard enough, either.
Nothing counter balances that ability. My ability is one shot. If it WAS a scum ability, it is overpowered as **** concidering it's a multishot or it lasts as long as they are alive.
Concidering we saw no in game ability triggers minus the kraken, i think it's a game mechanic. I never got an answer to my question yesterday...
@iso ARE WE STILL BEING EFFECTED BY THE KRAKEN?. We never saw a resolution to that and i feel like the players are owed at least that much. At least tell us if you cant say anything.
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I'm Ratspine, Second mate. (my post early game asking who the 1st was is why)
Town Chameleon. So yea, when targeted I gain a one shot of the ability.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
And does this allow you to effectively role-cop the ability you gain, IE, you would receive details on what the ability does?
Obviously, I'd have no issue targeting you with my ability if that's the case, though I'd be inclined to still hold off from raising my soul count to two, unless we lynch Terry today. Also, we should lynch terry today. Oh, wait. So you have a rolecop now, and you can verify me also? Splendid! Let's kill Terry AND I'll skip taking a soul again, you confirm me, everyone's happy.
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Can you give a real read on me not having to do with dawning, because it feels very one dimensional; sort of reminds me of the Anak/KJ “dichotomy” that you pushed in Low fantasy.
Also are you just neighbors with Rod or do you have something additional like he did? (You’re up)
Are you worried I'll find theres more to you than your letting on?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
THIS IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION
I've given lots of reads on you. Some of them are bound to be real/right.
I'm just a neighbor
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Adding bulletproof to the mix with two claimed ~docs brings it further into the realms of impossibility. Wouldn't mind seeing vezok rolecopped to confirm it's real, but eh. Doubt that's the fakeclaim scum gives here.
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That is a good question though. I just isoed Joe and didn't see him signalling archmage in any way. I wasn't looking for that specifically but I did look for signs of theater and feels like that should have pinged me
I didn't, which is why I said AZ lied. I thought he targeted me.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
But probably more likely scumjoe had a different thing to claim and switched up after targeting townarch. Makes sense.
There's another world, where Terry is town and archmage is sort of in soft role dichotomies with both Terry and kamikaze. Like, he gets role info AND copies abilities?
Not sure there's a v/v world here? Weird that Joe hasn't particularly suspected arch today.
Like, i havent heard a single good reason as to whyyy you think these people are scum. Most of it is superfluous.
To make a point
vote tom
could it be... my own son? Betraying me? I must know
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tom grabs a mop and begins to swab the deck.
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Anyway there is no way that DBS, Dota, Vezok, and myself are all town. That's just too much. Makes me feel more confident that we got one in Dota. And I don't hate lynching Vezok here.
Since Dota is probably scum I need to reassess on Terry. I don't like the way any of this has gone, but fast hammering a buddy like that in a no flip game is super weird.
I think that makes Vezok the lynch today (because that makes 100% sure we've lynched scum), but definitely want to finish claiming first.
Vote: Vezok