*and yes I'm very happy to see this mess the town is in. when I gave up trying. this game loves me <3
phraze send that game my way where u were scum, trying to Lynch logic for being inactive during his hurricane... I need to read ur scum game right quick
*and yes I'm very happy to see this mess the town is in. when I gave up trying. this game loves me <3
phraze send that game my way where u were scum, trying to Lynch logic for being inactive during his hurricane... I need to read ur scum game right quick
lol here. kinda lazy to backtrack to where exactly, but there's my flip (which totally describes my feelings now) //sic vengeful on Shin again
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pulls up this post from Logic for the deceased to read:
"If I remember correctly from Senki she waited until the last minute to claim. @Phraze haven't you learned that not claiming as town with an ample amount of time is a really bad thing for town?"
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One thing going that might be important:
If phoenix didn't kill dv what was the actual killer doing while jenna was claiming watcher?
the actual killer didn't say anything. which means we can focus our PoE on those who kept quiet.
btw do you think me and Shin are aligned? I'm sorta confused about him atm
gonna go back to the start of her claiming and figure out who is viable. Gotta wonder what phoenix' plan was if he actually killed dv. Just hope to win a thunderdome jenna?
One thing going that might be important:
If phoenix didn't kill dv what was the actual killer doing while jenna was claiming watcher?
the actual killer didn't say anything. which means we can focus our PoE on those who kept quiet.
btw do you think me and Shin are aligned? I'm sorta confused about him atm
gonna go back to the start of her claiming and figure out who is viable. Gotta wonder what phoenix' plan was if he actually killed dv. Just hope to win a thunderdome jenna?
And no you/shin definitely not together
Phoenix could be scum with a townish ability, since I doubt his confusion was fake. his response towards Last is positive though, doesn't look like scum desperate to pin the blame elsewhere or cracking under the pressure.
t/t or t/s? I don't think we're s/s. hardtunneling from Shinichi is hard to believe, since he's played longer than me.
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There's one particularly glaring problem with your plan, Terry. All the scum would know in advance that you're not scum and you didn't actually kill DV, while all the townies would not.
If someone intentionally acts guilty, as you admitted to trying to do, but the scum know that they're not guilty, that lets the scum easily know not to go anywhere near that trap. It's like glaring neon letters.
You are far more likely, not less, to bait a townie attack than a scum attack with said "trap." Because townies don't have the same inside information.
So no, I didn't put a ton of creedence in this being a pro-town gambit, because it doesn't actually work like you're saying it does. I usually assume town gambits actually have sound logic behind them, so I didn't put a lot of stock in that being what you were trying here. Apparently, I was wrong.
Phoenix reread still pending. But the interaction he's describing where he "passively" targets each dead players sounds like moderator malpractice to me, if that's how the game was designed. That's pretty convoluted stuff.
The trap was only set because I didn't believe Jenna's claim one bit. It was a trap to catch a fake claim, which in my opinion at the time was to derail an inevitable Jenna Lynch and take down another townie in the process. Also, scum would have been happy to pawn off the heat onto a townie that might have also visited DV last night.
Your attack on me was way too opportunistic considering you were able to pick out the Tracker Gambit, but not even take seriously that I might have been counter claiming. I'm not budging for the time being.
@Phoenix, if multiple people die at night, would you be tracked to all of them? Also, when did you visit Grapefruit to get his role info? Or do you only visit the dead players, and if so would lynches still provide role info but not Night Kills?
We could test this is Jenna tracks him again, DBS shoots someone, and there's a Mafia kill. In this case, Phoenix should be tracked to both, right? If not, he's lying. This would be hard to pull off depending on what powers scum has but if we can it should prove Phoenix one way or the other
Jeez this game moves fast. I haven't read anything yet, and am worried the pace will be infinite catch-up, but I'll see what I can get through by speed-reviewing over the next couple days.
I can't believe I don't play a game for 6 months, and when I finally decide to jump into one it turns into this....
Man, you’re telling me. I’m really not enjoying myself. Not for lack of trying, mind you. But the game is pretty much unreadable - my eyes started to gloss over during my search for someone saying the game was no-reveal.
Can someone else find it for me? I’d love you forever.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
maybe a Roz vs CP. mtgs version.
Azrael can be Roz, Terry can be CP. now who will play Phraze trying to sort them out but got caught in the middle... ah, right...Jenna!
This whole *exercise may be fun for you, but it's greek to most of us here. I don't even know what you're implying by doing this.
this it's one of the most epic battles of all time lol. all 3 were town. it's more of an inside joke yet informative - best way to describe this situation.
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The fact that you half assed your claim is a reason to not belive you've been cooperative lol.
You were fustrated yep of course the one that pushes the lynch totally has the right to be fustrated over the flipp.
hmmm.. you halfassed your claim too. you actually said your ability cost 0 BP, but it changed into 4 BP. I guess this means you should fullclaim now. you're not being cooperative until you fullclaim. but I have better things to do with my vote than latch on you~
I want to hear your other suspects outside of me. what do you think about Osie? I saw he's in your suspect list.
Want me to full claim ill do it right now.
Also no i clarified I misread my own role the same as ISO I thought the (4) was X shots I didnt realize the (4) was the cost of ab to use my ability.
yes please. I wanna see your fullclaim.
Phi-Town Manipulator
I have 2 passives
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
the ally ability makes me think there's always an anti town role blocker of some kind.
Idk if it's dawning, or a third role.
Town/scum or town/scum/neutral or maybe town/town/scum
No way the second part of shin's ability exists if the only other manipulative role is also town
The fact that you half assed your claim is a reason to not belive you've been cooperative lol.
You were fustrated yep of course the one that pushes the lynch totally has the right to be fustrated over the flipp.
hmmm.. you halfassed your claim too. you actually said your ability cost 0 BP, but it changed into 4 BP. I guess this means you should fullclaim now. you're not being cooperative until you fullclaim. but I have better things to do with my vote than latch on you~
I want to hear your other suspects outside of me. what do you think about Osie? I saw he's in your suspect list.
Want me to full claim ill do it right now.
Also no i clarified I misread my own role the same as ISO I thought the (4) was X shots I didnt realize the (4) was the cost of ab to use my ability.
yes please. I wanna see your fullclaim.
Phi-Town Manipulator
I have 2 passives
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
This doesn't line up with your statement earlier: "my ability can only go off if I'm betrayed in the 1st AB game"
i mean i believe Pheonix's claim but i feel like as helpful as his passive is, he could still be mafia under it, but hell if im taking that chance, if he dies the only thing we will get from death flips is alignment, which then we wouldnt be able to spot fake claims
Nothing honestly could stop him from being mafia, I mean this role is the perfect claim to give to a scum aligned player.
In retrospect, would a moderator really need to step in right now, and not earlier during the night if the mafia team were plotting who targets who? If the mafia have to submit their actions separately and privately from each other, I can believe this. Otherwise Phoenix-Fire is unquestionably town from the error. This isn't how I feel a game should be played, but I think the downside of my lost reaction test is balanced out by Phoenix-Fire being in the clear. I'm willing to move on. Mistakes happen.
WAit I am confused at what your trying to say here, can you clarifiy it better?
Phoenix is town, otherwise this issue would have resolved itself last night. Phoenix couldn't have performed the kill given his special ability is a requirement to use.
*another thing is how Shinichi was clueless of factional kills needing to be specified in pm until Tom brought it up, and now he fullclaims with specification.
Phoenix is town, otherwise this issue would have resolved itself last night. Phoenix couldn't have performed the kill given his special ability is a requirement to use.
Are you assuming the mod doesn't allow player actions and mod-kills in the same night? Is that in the rules, because generally on MTGS, that's not the case.
One thing going that might be important:
If phoenix didn't kill dv what was the actual killer doing while jenna was claiming watcher?
From most likely to least likely.
The responseless
Kabazame, Cythare, and TheRealStinkyJoeTerry never responded.
The straight-answerers:
Axelrod: I did nothing to DV last night
Azrael: I did not target DV last night.
Killjoy: I did not.
Tom: I have nothing to claim.
The overexplainers
LastWhisper: I didnt do anything last night
LnGrrrR: I didn't use an ability/visit anyone last Night.
Dawningbluesky: Did you visit D_V last night? no. my roleblock ability is activated now though.
Shinichi: Nope, Can't visit anyone till I get 4 bp. I have 2 bp
Iso: I don't have any activated abilities. There is nothing for me to claim.
The proven
Osieorb: Killjoy got a chat
Phoenix-Fire: Targeted D_V
Are you assuming the mod doesn't allow player actions and mod-kills in the same night? Is that in the rules, because generally on MTGS, that's not the case.
Actually, reading along, I anticipated the Tracker gambit, as well.
The town. Not unless the scum have a recruiting role, or we have a Cultist - both of which I strongly doubt. Yes, my behavior is that of Iso who has given up all hope that his team is going to win, so I'm effectively going through the motions at this point. How good of you to notice.
I would like a more specific answer to the first question. Name names.
The people who aren't my scum reads.
When I say "name names" do you interpret that as "don't name names?" Please name the players you are talking about because I don't believe you were talking about anyone and the more you dodge the more that is sounding like the truth.
When I say "the people who aren't my scum reads", do you interpret that as "don't read my posts"? I'm telling you that you need to read the game.
I don't believe you know who you were talking about. That was the entire point of this exercise. Your statement was highly suspicious to be sent to all who you believe to be town, and the exercise failure shows your inability to prove that you Understand What You Said.
What does this even mean?
Congratulations, you noticed some of my reads? I stated why I voted Grapefruit and I clarified what I meant by my role. If you're going to keep flip-flopping on me because you can't remember the sequence of events in this game, I have no more interest in talking to you.
don't use me as an excuse that you won't gamesolve. not talking to me is the same as not wanting to gamesolve.
you're flip-flopping just as much as the rest of us, friend.
He is acting openly hostile. He can't answer simple queries. There's no reason to trust or engage with him. I will be ignoring him from now on and I recommend you do as well.
Uhm I dont think u read what i said properly
If i ally someone then there actions cant be messed with, I in no way or form protect them from any sort of killing.
As well as my roleblock only stop actions being used it does not stop kills.
As for this whole factional kill thing each site is different what does that have to do with my alignment?
Btw you believe I made up my role then? Cause what does that have to do with my alignment in any form?
hmmm yeah, your role doesn't seem to be the main reason you hounded me. I'm still wondering what's up with your obsession over me tbh lol. being roleblocker doesn't seem to be your main motivation for that hounding on D1. this claim sounds like an extra reason to hound me some more, which could be stalling for time. ur making another excuse to play octopus lmao
U asked me to claim therefore i claimed lol, my roleblockers ability had nothing to do with me hating your claim it was how you went about claiming idk how many times i have to repeat myself.
I asked you to claim on D1, but you kept deflecting by saying "I hate claiming". now on D2, you asked if I wanted to see your claim and I replied yes, so that was you just outing yourself without me involved. the way you went about your claim is just as bad, since you actually did it because a scumread of yours wanted to hear it. how does that make any more sense than mine?
what goes around comes around~ everyone gets into their own messes while I just spend my time doing cleanup. yeap.
Weird that you bring this up, yet were ok with me claiming in the first place. So i guess comparing your crap of a claim to my claim prob makes you feel better. I also assume since my role isnt as provable as yours, you're ok lynching me. Am I right?
If you dont want people to claim don't ask them to claim, the other ***** doesn't matter.
@dbs ya see this is why i dont want to unvote you, you deflect the blame onto town. #4500
hmmm.. you halfassed your claim too. you actually said your ability cost 0 BP, but it changed into 4 BP. I guess this means you should fullclaim now. you're not being cooperative until you fullclaim. but I have better things to do with my vote than latch on you~
I want to hear your other suspects outside of me. what do you think about Osie? I saw he's in your suspect list.
Want me to full claim ill do it right now.
Also no i clarified I misread my own role the same as ISO I thought the (4) was X shots I didnt realize the (4) was the cost of ab to use my ability.
yes please. I wanna see your fullclaim.
Phi-Town Manipulator
I have 2 passives
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
This doesn't line up with your statement earlier: "my ability can only go off if I'm betrayed in the 1st AB game"
he said that? I guess Last did him a favor if that is the case.
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hmmm.. you halfassed your claim too. you actually said your ability cost 0 BP, but it changed into 4 BP. I guess this means you should fullclaim now. you're not being cooperative until you fullclaim. but I have better things to do with my vote than latch on you~
I want to hear your other suspects outside of me. what do you think about Osie? I saw he's in your suspect list.
Want me to full claim ill do it right now.
Also no i clarified I misread my own role the same as ISO I thought the (4) was X shots I didnt realize the (4) was the cost of ab to use my ability.
yes please. I wanna see your fullclaim.
Phi-Town Manipulator
I have 2 passives
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
This doesn't line up with your statement earlier: "my ability can only go off if I'm betrayed in the 1st AB game"
How so? I cant use my ability without 4 points therefore my ability can only go off is I was betrayed on the first round.
Uhm I dont think u read what i said properly
If i ally someone then there actions cant be messed with, I in no way or form protect them from any sort of killing.
As well as my roleblock only stop actions being used it does not stop kills.
As for this whole factional kill thing each site is different what does that have to do with my alignment?
Btw you believe I made up my role then? Cause what does that have to do with my alignment in any form?
hmmm yeah, your role doesn't seem to be the main reason you hounded me. I'm still wondering what's up with your obsession over me tbh lol. being roleblocker doesn't seem to be your main motivation for that hounding on D1. this claim sounds like an extra reason to hound me some more, which could be stalling for time. ur making another excuse to play octopus lmao
U asked me to claim therefore i claimed lol, my roleblockers ability had nothing to do with me hating your claim it was how you went about claiming idk how many times i have to repeat myself.
I asked you to claim on D1, but you kept deflecting by saying "I hate claiming". now on D2, you asked if I wanted to see your claim and I replied yes, so that was you just outing yourself without me involved. the way you went about your claim is just as bad, since you actually did it because a scumread of yours wanted to hear it. how does that make any more sense than mine?
what goes around comes around~ everyone gets into their own messes while I just spend my time doing cleanup. yeap.
Intriguing. Do you expect he forgot about his D1 act? Or that you pushed him to exhaustion and he naturally gave in?
i mean i believe Pheonix's claim but i feel like as helpful as his passive is, he could still be mafia under it, but hell if im taking that chance, if he dies the only thing we will get from death flips is alignment, which then we wouldnt be able to spot fake claims
Nothing honestly could stop him from being mafia, I mean this role is the perfect claim to give to a scum aligned player.
In retrospect, would a moderator really need to step in right now, and not earlier during the night if the mafia team were plotting who targets who? If the mafia have to submit their actions separately and privately from each other, I can believe this. Otherwise Phoenix-Fire is unquestionably town from the error. This isn't how I feel a game should be played, but I think the downside of my lost reaction test is balanced out by Phoenix-Fire being in the clear. I'm willing to move on. Mistakes happen.
WAit I am confused at what your trying to say here, can you clarifiy it better?
Phoenix is town, otherwise this issue would have resolved itself last night. Phoenix couldn't have performed the kill given his special ability is a requirement to use.
Ok this I unerstand, but i still the possibility exists I mean ive seem scum grave diggers before.
Uhm I dont think u read what i said properly
If i ally someone then there actions cant be messed with, I in no way or form protect them from any sort of killing.
As well as my roleblock only stop actions being used it does not stop kills.
As for this whole factional kill thing each site is different what does that have to do with my alignment?
Btw you believe I made up my role then? Cause what does that have to do with my alignment in any form?
hmmm yeah, your role doesn't seem to be the main reason you hounded me. I'm still wondering what's up with your obsession over me tbh lol. being roleblocker doesn't seem to be your main motivation for that hounding on D1. this claim sounds like an extra reason to hound me some more, which could be stalling for time. ur making another excuse to play octopus lmao
U asked me to claim therefore i claimed lol, my roleblockers ability had nothing to do with me hating your claim it was how you went about claiming idk how many times i have to repeat myself.
I asked you to claim on D1, but you kept deflecting by saying "I hate claiming". now on D2, you asked if I wanted to see your claim and I replied yes, so that was you just outing yourself without me involved. the way you went about your claim is just as bad, since you actually did it because a scumread of yours wanted to hear it. how does that make any more sense than mine?
what goes around comes around~ everyone gets into their own messes while I just spend my time doing cleanup. yeap.
Weird that you bring this up, yet were ok with me claiming in the first place. So i guess comparing your crap of a claim to my claim prob makes you feel better. I also assume since my role isnt as provable as yours, you're ok lynching me. Am I right?
If you dont want people to claim don't ask them to claim, the other ***** doesn't matter.
@dbs ya see this is why i dont want to unvote you, you deflect the blame onto town. #4500
*sigh* I will just go back to ignoring you.
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What does this even mean?
Congratulations, you noticed some of my reads? I stated why I voted Grapefruit and I clarified what I meant by my role. If you're going to keep flip-flopping on me because you can't remember the sequence of events in this game, I have no more interest in talking to you.
don't use me as an excuse that you won't gamesolve. not talking to me is the same as not wanting to gamesolve.
you're flip-flopping just as much as the rest of us, friend.
He is acting openly hostile. He can't answer simple queries. There's no reason to trust or engage with him. I will be ignoring him from now on and I recommend you do as well.
So fighting with fire? I mean the way all 3 of you have been acting is something that should come from a town aligned player just saying.
Iso with his over the top ego
DBS with her you can't touch me and anyone who tries is game throwing. On top of the fact shes ok attacking people to make them react.
Jenna who is trolling plus playing mind games with the town.
Uhm I dont think u read what i said properly
If i ally someone then there actions cant be messed with, I in no way or form protect them from any sort of killing.
As well as my roleblock only stop actions being used it does not stop kills.
As for this whole factional kill thing each site is different what does that have to do with my alignment?
Btw you believe I made up my role then? Cause what does that have to do with my alignment in any form?
hmmm yeah, your role doesn't seem to be the main reason you hounded me. I'm still wondering what's up with your obsession over me tbh lol. being roleblocker doesn't seem to be your main motivation for that hounding on D1. this claim sounds like an extra reason to hound me some more, which could be stalling for time. ur making another excuse to play octopus lmao
U asked me to claim therefore i claimed lol, my roleblockers ability had nothing to do with me hating your claim it was how you went about claiming idk how many times i have to repeat myself.
I asked you to claim on D1, but you kept deflecting by saying "I hate claiming". now on D2, you asked if I wanted to see your claim and I replied yes, so that was you just outing yourself without me involved. the way you went about your claim is just as bad, since you actually did it because a scumread of yours wanted to hear it. how does that make any more sense than mine?
what goes around comes around~ everyone gets into their own messes while I just spend my time doing cleanup. yeap.
Intriguing. Do you expect he forgot about his D1 act? Or that you pushed him to exhaustion and he naturally gave in?
I think he's softening up when we're finding a reason to scumread him. his buddying up talk with Grapefruit in twilight hour (saying he'll make sure I'm lynched if he flipped town) was suspicious as well. now he's deflecting that he was against claiming, yet forced me to fullclaim and wanted to scumread Last for 'breadcrumbing' without a fullclaim.
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hmmm yeah, your role doesn't seem to be the main reason you hounded me. I'm still wondering what's up with your obsession over me tbh lol. being roleblocker doesn't seem to be your main motivation for that hounding on D1. this claim sounds like an extra reason to hound me some more, which could be stalling for time. ur making another excuse to play octopus lmao
U asked me to claim therefore i claimed lol, my roleblockers ability had nothing to do with me hating your claim it was how you went about claiming idk how many times i have to repeat myself.
I asked you to claim on D1, but you kept deflecting by saying "I hate claiming". now on D2, you asked if I wanted to see your claim and I replied yes, so that was you just outing yourself without me involved. the way you went about your claim is just as bad, since you actually did it because a scumread of yours wanted to hear it. how does that make any more sense than mine?
what goes around comes around~ everyone gets into their own messes while I just spend my time doing cleanup. yeap.
Weird that you bring this up, yet were ok with me claiming in the first place. So i guess comparing your crap of a claim to my claim prob makes you feel better. I also assume since my role isnt as provable as yours, you're ok lynching me. Am I right?
If you dont want people to claim don't ask them to claim, the other ***** doesn't matter.
@dbs ya see this is why i dont want to unvote you, you deflect the blame onto town. #4500
*sigh* I will just go back to ignoring you.
I mean you know I hate claiming so what are you trying to tell me here? That I am never allowed to claim or I am setting myself up to be scum read?
*another thing is how Shinichi was clueless of factional kills needing to be specified in pm until Tom brought it up, and now he fullclaims with specification.
Can you show this progression?
[#1597] Tom: does it stop the factional kill if you block the person performing it?
[#1600] Dawn: doesn't say. I'd assume no, unless it's an unsaid norm around here.
[#1601] Tom: i think if you were town it would say you couldnt tbh
[#1613] Tom: nothing in the OP saying if its assigned, but there is an "order of operations" that puts roleblocking before killing actions.
idk.
feel like it would mention that in the PM still
got lazy to check more but.. I remember few posts after that, Grapefruit was saying that roleblocks always work on NKs. Shinichi was all supportive about Grapefruit's points and insisted that I'm just acting(?) and that roleblocks always work on factional kills.
so, I don't think Shinichi was aware of the significance of specification in a roleblocker pm. he was scumreading me over my vig claim, and not my rb claim later. I doubt he's after me to counterclaim me.
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@Phoenix, if multiple people die at night, would you be tracked to all of them? Also, when did you visit Grapefruit to get his role info? Or do you only visit the dead players, and if so would lynches still provide role info but not Night Kills?
We could test this is Jenna tracks him again, DBS shoots someone, and there's a Mafia kill. In this case, Phoenix should be tracked to both, right? If not, he's lying. This would be hard to pull off depending on what powers scum has but if we can it should prove Phoenix one way or the other
I mean you know I hate claiming so what are you trying to tell me here? That I am never allowed to claim or I am setting myself up to be scum read?
you know...I hope you're scum. because if you're town, knows how I play, and deliberately hounds me for 2 whole phases, even when you should know better - I will die from laughter.
you've seen my town and scum games, so it would make more sense for you to be paranoid of me if you really know my alignment, and that I'm town. since, well, I would be your worst nightmare. that's the only logical conclusion I can get from this obsession.
as for your reason to hate claiming, you could've said that because you wanted to discuss with your scumbuds first. you were vehemently against claiming your own role, but you kept pushing others for their roles. I don't see any reason for someone who hates claiming, to want to force others to fullclaim..even when they just 'breadcrumbed'. you put Last at L2, made him claim, and knew he wasn't an ideal lynch, that's why you backed off from him. you're focused on me since I claimed vig, and that is more of a threat than Last is, that is why you're focused on only Dawn.
the way you keep shading everyone, forcing them to fullclaim, then get overly defensive when someone shades you, or act like others 'make you do this'....just looks bad.
tl;dr your actions from the last phase until now hasn't been productive, but dragged things down for us and caused needless arguments.
and no, I'm not flaming the town. I'm just stating a fact. this thread would be a lot more readable if everyone didn't behave like they're always right all the time. this game is about teamwork, and I don't see that. I've had to handle frustration for a week, so it hasn't been an easy ride for me either - but I didn't complain. you're just trying to paint me to look bad, and I hope you can stop.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
for the record, my scumgames aren't this tragically infuriating. I had control of the board, so I did my best to keep hostility in check. why can't I get such treatment in return? maybe because the scumteam aren't having an easy time.. I always have an easy time rolling scum
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
Also no i clarified I misread my own role the same as ISO I thought the (4) was X shots I didnt realize the (4) was the cost of ab to use my ability.
yes please. I wanna see your fullclaim.
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I have 2 passives
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
This doesn't line up with your statement earlier: "my ability can only go off if I'm betrayed in the 1st AB game"
How so? I cant use my ability without 4 points therefore my ability can only go off is I was betrayed on the first round.
I never mentioned anything aobut my passives lol
Are passives not abilities? And if you are betrayed, how does that take you from 3 BP to 5+ BP?
*though I think there was that one time where it got frustrating for town.. but that was because I was lynched early and couldn't keep things in check. lol..
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
This doesn't line up with your statement earlier: "my ability can only go off if I'm betrayed in the 1st AB game"
How so? I cant use my ability without 4 points therefore my ability can only go off is I was betrayed on the first round.
I never mentioned anything aobut my passives lol
Are passives not abilities? And if you are betrayed, how does that take you from 3 BP to 5+ BP?
Well tbf when I made that post I had thought the betrayl points were the same as the actual game, but i was wrong once I saw the results of the first AB game. Not activatble abilities, the passive i can't control.
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@dbs wanting someone to finish their claim is alot different than forcing someone to claim. If your going to do the town a favor an claim atleast give them all the information.
TBF I wasnt even online when you claim nor was one of those who pushed you to claim. The only thing I did was ask you to full claim after you said you were a standard vigilante. Because based on my role I obviously knew their had to be more to your claim.
What does this even mean?
Congratulations, you noticed some of my reads? I stated why I voted Grapefruit and I clarified what I meant by my role. If you're going to keep flip-flopping on me because you can't remember the sequence of events in this game, I have no more interest in talking to you.
don't use me as an excuse that you won't gamesolve. not talking to me is the same as not wanting to gamesolve.
you're flip-flopping just as much as the rest of us, friend.
He is acting openly hostile. He can't answer simple queries. There's no reason to trust or engage with him. I will be ignoring him from now on and I recommend you do as well.
So fighting with fire? I mean the way all 3 of you have been acting is something that should come from a town aligned player just saying.
Iso with his over the top ego
DBS with her you can't touch me and anyone who tries is game throwing. On top of the fact shes ok attacking people to make them react.
Jenna who is trolling plus playing mind games with the town.
How ironic, the person who just used Blame On All Sides suggests I'm the one trolling.
for the record, my scumgames aren't this tragically infuriating. I had control of the board, so I did my best to keep hostility in check. why can't I get such treatment in return? maybe because the scumteam aren't having an easy time.. I always have an easy time rolling scum
I doubt they're having an easy time since this game activity is over the top.
I do agree however the players should work together more, but your way of thinking hasnt helped either. How you expected people to just leave your claim alone, or how you just expected people to just accept the vig claim. Or how you expect people to read last based on the meta you've shown.
-If I betray someone they will lose their action tonight (I assume it kinda like an ability role block of sorts My role clarifies that this can't stop factional abilities so i guess thats refering to the fact I can't stop a factional kill.), this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
-If I ally someone said person will be immune to any abilities that alter or hinder their actions tonight, this happens on top of the Normal AB round mechanics
Phi Kick (4)-I can transfer the effect of my passives to a person of my choosing instead of it effecting my direct pair.
This doesn't line up with your statement earlier: "my ability can only go off if I'm betrayed in the 1st AB game"
How so? I cant use my ability without 4 points therefore my ability can only go off is I was betrayed on the first round.
I never mentioned anything aobut my passives lol
Are passives not abilities? And if you are betrayed, how does that take you from 3 BP to 5+ BP?
Oh ok I i am confusing myself here lol, i meant to say if I betrayed I would get enough. Welp now I actually see why your confused and why i am also confused haha.
@dbs wanting someone to finish their claim is alot different than forcing someone to claim. If your going to do the town a favor an claim atleast give them all the information.
TBF I wasnt even online when you claim nor was one of those who pushed you to claim. The only thing I did was ask you to full claim after you said you were a standard vigilante. Because based on my role I obviously knew their had to be more to your claim.
it should be up to the player if they want to fullclaim their role or not. it is not your decision to make.
you didn't 'ask', you forced me to fullclaim. you voted me saying that my refusal to fullclaim is scummy and kept trying to keep me as the center of attention. you haven't looked into any of my possible associations or team, just me. that isn't scumhunting. you also didn't ASK for my fullclaim, you forced it with your persistence. get that straight. even when I fullclaimed, you never bothered to look into it other than saying I claimed a scummy role. if you had a similar role, with specifications, you would've tried to fish that info out of me, and not just insist that my rb claim was enough to have me lynched.
you've been very opportunistic overall. and I doubt your claim is even real.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
for the record, my scumgames aren't this tragically infuriating. I had control of the board, so I did my best to keep hostility in check. why can't I get such treatment in return? maybe because the scumteam aren't having an easy time.. I always have an easy time rolling scum
I doubt they're having an easy time since this game activity is over the top.
I do agree however the players should work together more, but your way of thinking hasnt helped either. How you expected people to just leave your claim alone, or how you just expected people to just accept the vig claim. Or how you expect people to read last based on the meta you've shown.
there was that time I replaced into a game with 1k posts. I adapted. just started questioning from that point on. everyone should be able to adapt to how fast or slow a game is. the activity of this game should not affect performance, because it doesn't for me. I obviously have the time to play catchup, but I usually skip over...as a means of adapting. you can't blame others for your incompetence, in a nutshell. why are you now trying to pass the blame onto the active players (including you)?
my way of thinking hasn't damaged the town yet. I was asked to claim, then asked to fullclaim, then asked to verify things with the host. I've been cooperative so far. how is my way of thinking harmful to the town? please explain.
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"I still remember the days I prayed for the things I have now.
@dbs wanting someone to finish their claim is alot different than forcing someone to claim. If your going to do the town a favor an claim atleast give them all the information.
TBF I wasnt even online when you claim nor was one of those who pushed you to claim. The only thing I did was ask you to full claim after you said you were a standard vigilante. Because based on my role I obviously knew their had to be more to your claim.
it should be up to the player if they want to fullclaim their role or not. it is not your decision to make.
you didn't 'ask', you forced me to fullclaim. you voted me saying that my refusal to fullclaim is scummy and kept trying to keep me as the center of attention. you haven't looked into any of my possible associations or team, just me. that isn't scumhunting. you also didn't ASK for my fullclaim, you forced it with your persistence. get that straight. even when I fullclaimed, you never bothered to look into it other than saying I claimed a scummy role. if you had a similar role, with specifications, you would've tried to fish that info out of me, and not just insist that my rb claim was enough to have me lynched.
you've been very opportunistic overall. and I doubt your claim is even real.
I did not force you to full claim, just like u didnt force me to claim. Under the normal standards of mafia if lets say everyones innocent till proven guilty asks you to finish off your claim then yes not full claming in that sense warrents a vote cause your hindering town. Honestly if you had just full out said I am a roleblocker vigilante I would have been fine, as town you had no reason to even hide parts of your claim. I am a persistant person either way, I mean votes are for pressuring am i right.
My claim is real i paraphrased it of course but everything I stated is the truth nonetheless.
as for your reason to hate claiming, you could've said that because you wanted to discuss with your scumbuds first.
Your so keen on meta yet for some reason you keep overlooking the fact that in all my games i am very reluctant to claim, either way both my statement here and the one I am quoteing are both wine.
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Phi: "Cutting my next album, what do you think?"
Azrael (4): Iso, Axelrod, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Jenna Tolaria
Lastwhisper (3): Kabazame, tomsloger, osieorb18
dawningbluesky (1): Shinichi
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1): Azrael
Shinichi (1): dawningbluesky
Not voting (5): Cythare, Phoenix-Fire, Lastwhisper, Killjoy, LnGrrrR
With 15 alive, it’s 8 to lynch. Deadline is Thursday, November 23rd at 11.59 pm EST.
Please know that any further violations of the rules WILL result in mod kills!
Be grateful, always."
"If I remember correctly from Senki she waited until the last minute to claim. @Phraze haven't you learned that not claiming as town with an ample amount of time is a really bad thing for town?"
Be grateful, always."
And no you/shin definitely not together
Phoenix could be scum with a townish ability, since I doubt his confusion was fake. his response towards Last is positive though, doesn't look like scum desperate to pin the blame elsewhere or cracking under the pressure.
t/t or t/s? I don't think we're s/s. hardtunneling from Shinichi is hard to believe, since he's played longer than me.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Your attack on me was way too opportunistic considering you were able to pick out the Tracker Gambit, but not even take seriously that I might have been counter claiming. I'm not budging for the time being.
We could test this is Jenna tracks him again, DBS shoots someone, and there's a Mafia kill. In this case, Phoenix should be tracked to both, right? If not, he's lying. This would be hard to pull off depending on what powers scum has but if we can it should prove Phoenix one way or the other
Man, you’re telling me. I’m really not enjoying myself. Not for lack of trying, mind you. But the game is pretty much unreadable - my eyes started to gloss over during my search for someone saying the game was no-reveal.
Can someone else find it for me? I’d love you forever.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
this it's one of the most epic battles of all time lol. all 3 were town. it's more of an inside joke yet informative - best way to describe this situation.
Be grateful, always."
Idk if it's dawning, or a third role.
Town/scum or town/scum/neutral or maybe town/town/scum
No way the second part of shin's ability exists if the only other manipulative role is also town
Are you assuming the mod doesn't allow player actions and mod-kills in the same night? Is that in the rules, because generally on MTGS, that's not the case.
The responseless
Kabazame, Cythare, and TheRealStinkyJoeTerry never responded.
The straight-answerers:
Axelrod: I did nothing to DV last night
Azrael: I did not target DV last night.
Killjoy: I did not.
Tom: I have nothing to claim.
The overexplainers
LastWhisper: I didnt do anything last night
LnGrrrR: I didn't use an ability/visit anyone last Night.
Dawningbluesky: Did you visit D_V last night? no. my roleblock ability is activated now though.
Shinichi: Nope, Can't visit anyone till I get 4 bp. I have 2 bp
Iso: I don't have any activated abilities. There is nothing for me to claim.
The proven
Osieorb: Killjoy got a chat
Phoenix-Fire: Targeted D_V
Nothing in the OP regarding this.
Weird that you bring this up, yet were ok with me claiming in the first place. So i guess comparing your crap of a claim to my claim prob makes you feel better. I also assume since my role isnt as provable as yours, you're ok lynching me. Am I right?
If you dont want people to claim don't ask them to claim, the other ***** doesn't matter.
@dbs ya see this is why i dont want to unvote you, you deflect the blame onto town. #4500
No I allied him
Be grateful, always."
How so? I cant use my ability without 4 points therefore my ability can only go off is I was betrayed on the first round.
I never mentioned anything aobut my passives lol
Ok this I unerstand, but i still the possibility exists I mean ive seem scum grave diggers before.
*sigh* I will just go back to ignoring you.
Be grateful, always."
So fighting with fire? I mean the way all 3 of you have been acting is something that should come from a town aligned player just saying.
Iso with his over the top ego
DBS with her you can't touch me and anyone who tries is game throwing. On top of the fact shes ok attacking people to make them react.
Jenna who is trolling plus playing mind games with the town.
I think he's softening up when we're finding a reason to scumread him. his buddying up talk with Grapefruit in twilight hour (saying he'll make sure I'm lynched if he flipped town) was suspicious as well. now he's deflecting that he was against claiming, yet forced me to fullclaim and wanted to scumread Last for 'breadcrumbing' without a fullclaim.
Be grateful, always."
I mean you know I hate claiming so what are you trying to tell me here? That I am never allowed to claim or I am setting myself up to be scum read?
[#1597] Tom: does it stop the factional kill if you block the person performing it?
[#1600] Dawn: doesn't say. I'd assume no, unless it's an unsaid norm around here.
[#1601] Tom: i think if you were town it would say you couldnt tbh
[#1613] Tom: nothing in the OP saying if its assigned, but there is an "order of operations" that puts roleblocking before killing actions.
idk.
feel like it would mention that in the PM still
got lazy to check more but.. I remember few posts after that, Grapefruit was saying that roleblocks always work on NKs. Shinichi was all supportive about Grapefruit's points and insisted that I'm just acting(?) and that roleblocks always work on factional kills.
so, I don't think Shinichi was aware of the significance of specification in a roleblocker pm. he was scumreading me over my vig claim, and not my rb claim later. I doubt he's after me to counterclaim me.
Be grateful, always."
you've seen my town and scum games, so it would make more sense for you to be paranoid of me if you really know my alignment, and that I'm town. since, well, I would be your worst nightmare. that's the only logical conclusion I can get from this obsession.
as for your reason to hate claiming, you could've said that because you wanted to discuss with your scumbuds first. you were vehemently against claiming your own role, but you kept pushing others for their roles. I don't see any reason for someone who hates claiming, to want to force others to fullclaim..even when they just 'breadcrumbed'. you put Last at L2, made him claim, and knew he wasn't an ideal lynch, that's why you backed off from him. you're focused on me since I claimed vig, and that is more of a threat than Last is, that is why you're focused on only Dawn.
the way you keep shading everyone, forcing them to fullclaim, then get overly defensive when someone shades you, or act like others 'make you do this'....just looks bad.
tl;dr your actions from the last phase until now hasn't been productive, but dragged things down for us and caused needless arguments.
and no, I'm not flaming the town. I'm just stating a fact. this thread would be a lot more readable if everyone didn't behave like they're always right all the time. this game is about teamwork, and I don't see that. I've had to handle frustration for a week, so it hasn't been an easy ride for me either - but I didn't complain. you're just trying to paint me to look bad, and I hope you can stop.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Well tbf when I made that post I had thought the betrayl points were the same as the actual game, but i was wrong once I saw the results of the first AB game. Not activatble abilities, the passive i can't control.
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@dbs wanting someone to finish their claim is alot different than forcing someone to claim. If your going to do the town a favor an claim atleast give them all the information.
TBF I wasnt even online when you claim nor was one of those who pushed you to claim. The only thing I did was ask you to full claim after you said you were a standard vigilante. Because based on my role I obviously knew their had to be more to your claim.
I doubt they're having an easy time since this game activity is over the top.
I do agree however the players should work together more, but your way of thinking hasnt helped either. How you expected people to just leave your claim alone, or how you just expected people to just accept the vig claim. Or how you expect people to read last based on the meta you've shown.
Oh ok I i am confusing myself here lol, i meant to say if I betrayed I would get enough. Welp now I actually see why your confused and why i am also confused haha.
it should be up to the player if they want to fullclaim their role or not. it is not your decision to make.
you didn't 'ask', you forced me to fullclaim. you voted me saying that my refusal to fullclaim is scummy and kept trying to keep me as the center of attention. you haven't looked into any of my possible associations or team, just me. that isn't scumhunting. you also didn't ASK for my fullclaim, you forced it with your persistence. get that straight. even when I fullclaimed, you never bothered to look into it other than saying I claimed a scummy role. if you had a similar role, with specifications, you would've tried to fish that info out of me, and not just insist that my rb claim was enough to have me lynched.
you've been very opportunistic overall. and I doubt your claim is even real.
Be grateful, always."
my way of thinking hasn't damaged the town yet. I was asked to claim, then asked to fullclaim, then asked to verify things with the host. I've been cooperative so far. how is my way of thinking harmful to the town? please explain.
Be grateful, always."
I did not force you to full claim, just like u didnt force me to claim. Under the normal standards of mafia if lets say everyones innocent till proven guilty asks you to finish off your claim then yes not full claming in that sense warrents a vote cause your hindering town. Honestly if you had just full out said I am a roleblocker vigilante I would have been fine, as town you had no reason to even hide parts of your claim. I am a persistant person either way, I mean votes are for pressuring am i right.
My claim is real i paraphrased it of course but everything I stated is the truth nonetheless.
Your so keen on meta yet for some reason you keep overlooking the fact that in all my games i am very reluctant to claim, either way both my statement here and the one I am quoteing are both wine.