@Iso, you can be forceful if you want. Why not push for LW? Why not create momentum? Do you think jenna's lynch has so much more momentum? Do you really think an az lynch has any momentum roughly 24 hrs away from deadline?
Because some players don't just go with what has momentum, and instead stick by their beliefs?
Like, I don't think Iso and Az are aligned; it doesn't look like W/W, and it's probably not V/V. And if I were to choose between them looking at the game as a whole, I'd vote Az until his wall of posts, and with Iso's claim, that only solidifies that.
I am using Iso's own logic. There are a lot of people who think LW is scummy, but Iso's refusal to try and swing the wagon that way is weirding me out.
Iso is a believer in town momentum; yes there was no momentum on As, so why vote him? If the argument is that he hoped to create momentum on Az then why not do so with LW?
Iso is a believer in town momentum; yes there was no momentum on As, so why vote him? If the argument is that he hoped to create momentum on Az then why not do so with LW?
Or, well, Jenna? I mean, I see your point, but I'm not sure that it's conclusive. Is Iso so predictable of a person/player that he will always focus on momentum over straight belief?
Ok, I'm going to come out and say this as politely as possible...
HOW ARE WE NOT LYNCHING LW, DBS or JENNA!?
We have a day left and we are talking about lynching Tom or ISO or even Azrael!? All of those player, if they are town, are heavy hitters and that I want on my town team going into Lylo. I will cry and soil myself if I go into LyLo with town LW, DBS and/or Jenna. Let's play the long game here. Yeah, this sounds terrible, but if any of those three are town, call this a town bus on them lead by yours truly.
Ok, I'm going to come out and say this as politely as possible...
HOW ARE WE NOT LYNCHING LW, DBS or JENNA!?
We have a day left and we are talking about lynching Tom or ISO or even Azrael!? All of those player, if they are town, are heavy hitters and that I want on my town team going into Lylo. I will cry and soil myself if I go into LyLo with town LW, DBS and/or Jenna. Let's play the long game here. Yeah, this sounds terrible, but if any of those three are town, call this a town bus on them lead by yours truly.
IDK how we are not lynching Jenna.
Hence my vote is on Jenna.
Are you actually scum? Have you done the statistically impossible and rolled scum in another one of our games?
Wow. What an opportunistic wagon. "Yo dawg, we heard you don't make Mafia posts on weekends, so we ran you up." Any townies voting me should feel bad. I'm lurking? I'm doing nothing? I post 5 days a week with solid content. That's more than can be said for half of the players in this game. Get real.
I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
I didn't claim sooner because I didn't know I was at L-2 because I don't read the game on weekends. For ****'s sake.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability. Hence why I thought I was the Vig. The counterclaim SNAFU was not nearly grounds enough to be voting me and I'm playing the game the way I enjoy - I'm not interested in going back to my old playstyle short of a lifechanging event that enables me to do so.
Get over it.
Now, stop wasting time, and lynch scum. We have (less than?) one day before the deadline expires.
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@osi: I don't see any questions to me in either of those posts.
On that note, I don't think scumosi goes against the grain, here. I'll call him town. And then osi sheeps the obvscum. God dammit, osi.
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@LnGrR: Jenna is scum and we have a cavalcade of interaction information from her flip. And of course I'd be excited that a Jenna wagon was forming - I was the first person to call for her head. I didn't say Jenna was a mislynch - I said that I predicted a mislynch for Day 1.
Regarding your questions on LW, I've already answered that with regards to how game momentum occurs. tom and Az are doing a wonderful job of pretending that doesn't exist after I've explained time and again how it does, and are trying to paint me as scum for such. Please try to pay attention if you're going to pretend to suddenly care about my alignment. Obviously I'm interested in lynching scum - what kind of stupid question is that?
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@Shin: There have been a few spambots present in the thread, I've removed their posts and put them elsewhere.
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I don't like that Jenna is re-continuing the rolefishing train. And now I've claimed.
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tom/Az/Jenna/LW? I haven't seen Az get this frenzied since Crosstown 3, when scumAz rallied the town to mislynch obvtown in the 11th hour. Amusingly, he and tom both jumped into action against me the second the weekend began, aka when I said I wouldn't be posting - aka when I wouldn't be here to defend myself. How convenient.
Not to mention tom and Az are doing their song and dance, trying to distract from the Jenna lynch, and trying to say "oh well LW is scum but let's table that for now" and hurriedly sweep him off into a corner where nobody can see.
Neither tom nor Az are absolute garbage enough as town to believe the cases they're pushing against me. If Az had actually ISO'd me as he said, then he would know that I am not posting on weekends and is intentionally ignoring that fact. And I doubt both tom AND Az would have missed that fact, especially since tom ALSO went through my posts.
Az says I've been a nonentity but that's because I haven't been able to post as frequently, meaning I can't take control of the momentum as I am wont to doing. Which...again, he would know if he were reading my posts. And tom would know I've made scum team associations since he's also read my posts, yet he's accusing me of not having done so, despite me pointing them out to him at least twice - and he's STILL denying they exist on THIS VERY PAGE.
Az says I haven't caught the scum. But I have.
Unvote, Vote Azrael
Let's murder us some scum.
If you guys decide to lynch me first, fine - but you'd ******* better sheep me into oblivion once I flip.
Thought exercise for the people voting me:
Who are my scumbuddies, and why?
It's becoming increasingly hard not to stoop to flaming in this game.
While I can see the possibility of Scum Az, I can't help but feel this is a last ditch distancing effort that I will have to look into more if you flip scum. At this point, I don't think ISO will flip scum.
Ok, I'm going to come out and say this as politely as possible...
HOW ARE WE NOT LYNCHING LW, DBS or JENNA!?
We have a day left and we are talking about lynching Tom or ISO or even Azrael!? All of those player, if they are town, are heavy hitters and that I want on my town team going into Lylo. I will cry and soil myself if I go into LyLo with town LW, DBS and/or Jenna. Let's play the long game here. Yeah, this sounds terrible, but if any of those three are town, call this a town bus on them lead by yours truly.
well I'm town lol, and what's with the emotional play? I've won my fair share of lylos before...
Ok, I'm going to come out and say this as politely as possible...
HOW ARE WE NOT LYNCHING LW, DBS or JENNA!?
We have a day left and we are talking about lynching Tom or ISO or even Azrael!? All of those player, if they are town, are heavy hitters and that I want on my town team going into Lylo. I will cry and soil myself if I go into LyLo with town LW, DBS and/or Jenna. Let's play the long game here. Yeah, this sounds terrible, but if any of those three are town, call this a town bus on them lead by yours truly.
well I'm town lol, and what's with the emotional play? I've won my fair share of lylos before...
plus why are u assuming you'll be in lylo? And lylo is pretty far away to be thinking about... Sorry this post is just weird from you. You went from calm, at the beginning of this game to just randomly spurting AtE's every once in a while about how your confused that me Jenna or Dawn aren't dead yet lol
Ok, I'm going to come out and say this as politely as possible...
HOW ARE WE NOT LYNCHING LW, DBS or JENNA!?
We have a day left and we are talking about lynching Tom or ISO or even Azrael!? All of those player, if they are town, are heavy hitters and that I want on my town team going into Lylo. I will cry and soil myself if I go into LyLo with town LW, DBS and/or Jenna. Let's play the long game here. Yeah, this sounds terrible, but if any of those three are town, call this a town bus on them lead by yours truly.
IDK how we are not lynching Jenna.
Hence my vote is on Jenna.
Are you actually scum? Have you done the statistically impossible and rolled scum in another one of our games?
Are you implying that I rolled scum with you? The only games I've played with you are when we are both scum. Is that the statistical impossibility you were referring to? Is this a scum slip!?
My vote is on Jenna too? Do you think I'm bussing her?
Yeah, the no lynch vote is setting off all kinds of alarm bells even with her being newish. And both Iso and Az were pushing for her lynch, though Az was waffling a bit.
I don't feel that we get as much information from Jenna as we do from lynching in Iso/Az, but Terry has a point.
Sorry this post is just weird from you. You went from calm, at the beginning of this game to just randomly spurting AtE's every once in a while about how your confused that me Jenna or Dawn aren't dead yet lol
I mean, it's weird, but not that weird from Terry specifically.
Are you implying that I rolled scum with you? The only games I've played with you are when we are both scum. Is that the statistical impossibility you were referring to? Is this a scum slip!?
Sorry this post is just weird from you. You went from calm, at the beginning of this game to just randomly spurting AtE's every once in a while about how your confused that me Jenna or Dawn aren't dead yet lol
I mean, it's weird, but not that weird from Terry specifically.
well u have a better understanding of his meta, but his change in tone from early game to now throws me off
Are you implying that I rolled scum with you? The only games I've played with you are when we are both scum. Is that the statistical impossibility you were referring to? Is this a scum slip!?
Sorry this post is just weird from you. You went from calm, at the beginning of this game to just randomly spurting AtE's every once in a while about how your confused that me Jenna or Dawn aren't dead yet lol
I mean, it's weird, but not that weird from Terry specifically.
well u have a better understanding of his meta, but his change in tone from early game to now throws me off
Like, Terry's been scum in every game we've been in, I think. I've read some of his town games and I'm not getting huge scumvibes here.
He's also made a number of good posts. Like a decently high number.
Ok, I'm going to come out and say this as politely as possible...
HOW ARE WE NOT LYNCHING LW, DBS or JENNA!?
We have a day left and we are talking about lynching Tom or ISO or even Azrael!? All of those player, if they are town, are heavy hitters and that I want on my town team going into Lylo. I will cry and soil myself if I go into LyLo with town LW, DBS and/or Jenna. Let's play the long game here. Yeah, this sounds terrible, but if any of those three are town, call this a town bus on them lead by yours truly.
well I'm town lol, and what's with the emotional play? I've won my fair share of lylos before...
plus why are u assuming you'll be in lylo? And lylo is pretty far away to be thinking about... Sorry this post is just weird from you. You went from calm, at the beginning of this game to just randomly spurting AtE's every once in a while about how your confused that me Jenna or Dawn aren't dead yet lol
Which game have you been reading!? I came out tied with you in the first competing wagons of the game because I was being aggressive with you! My discussion of LyLo was to impart my infinite wisdom on our town that if ANY of you make it to LyLo, you are a liability not an asset.
I feel like we've had two claims too many today from people whose roles are better if they don't claim. (Dawning, Iso)
Maybe a CFD to Azrael is the correct play.
Excuse me?! I intentionally called for a CFD onto Grape for the very reason that I didn't want some kind of before-threshold debacle occurring without time to thoroughly explore Iso's wagon in a timely fashion.
Iso completely ignores that, and accuses me of pushing of trying to kill him while he's away WHEN I SPECIFICALLY UNVOTED HIM AND CALLED FOR A NEW WAGON TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, and initiated a CFD onto Grape instead. But sure, Iso, yeah, I was trying to pull some kind of fast one to get you killed while you were away. *eyeroll*
Then Lngrr and Shin asked for a claim, which I would have gone nuclear in opposing if I were here, because you're right, we don't need a claim from him if we're not planning on lynching him today. That's not on me, if the rest of the town didn't step in to follow appropriate procedure on a wagon that I said should wait until we had more time, for tomorrow.
Besides, by his own admission, his general strategy as town is not one of pretending to be scum. I think the pretense is, in and of itself, another layer of smokescreen, and there are too many of those surrounding Az.
You should read the MTGS article called something like "The Pinnochio Problem: When Should Townies Lie?" It discusses the purpose and theory behind town gambits and deceptions.
I wrote it. Because I lie and gambit constantly, as town, for the sake of generating information. And that is absolutely, 100% part of my town game, going back over twelve years. Including saying that I'm scum. I'm notorious for it, to the extent that if I do it as scum, it's because I'm copying my townie MO and pretending to be doing it for information gathering purposes.
@Azrael
late to remember this but..I recall you wanted to read up my meta, as a basis to read Last. how did that go? my previous meta should coincide with this game.
I was more interested in LW's meta than in yours, actually. And at the moment, that's fairly low on my priority chain.
Iso's response leaves me completely disgusted, but again, I want to take the time to sort him out tomorrow. We don't have the time to deal with a wagon of that magnitude today. Grape is caught scum, we can mop him up easily enough, and then move on to tackling more controversial wagons such as Jenna and Iso for tomorrow.
Ok, I'm going to come out and say this as politely as possible...
HOW ARE WE NOT LYNCHING LW, DBS or JENNA!?
We have a day left and we are talking about lynching Tom or ISO or even Azrael!? All of those player, if they are town, are heavy hitters and that I want on my town team going into Lylo. I will cry and soil myself if I go into LyLo with town LW, DBS and/or Jenna. Let's play the long game here. Yeah, this sounds terrible, but if any of those three are town, call this a town bus on them lead by yours truly.
well I'm town lol, and what's with the emotional play? I've won my fair share of lylos before...
plus why are u assuming you'll be in lylo? And lylo is pretty far away to be thinking about... Sorry this post is just weird from you. You went from calm, at the beginning of this game to just randomly spurting AtE's every once in a while about how your confused that me Jenna or Dawn aren't dead yet lol
Which game have you been reading!? I came out tied with you in the first competing wagons of the game because I was being aggressive with you! My discussion of LyLo was to impart my infinite wisdom on our town that if ANY of you make it to LyLo, you are a liability not an asset.
based solely off my day 1, you have no idea how I play this game, so don't tell me I'm a liability...
Iso's response leaves me completely disgusted, but again, I want to take the time to sort him out tomorrow. We don't have the time to deal with a wagon of that magnitude today. Grape is caught scum, we can mop him up easily enough, and then move on to tackling more controversial wagons such as Jenna and Iso for tomorrow.
I don't think that you can get enough momentum on Grape for a lynch. Feel free to prove me wrong. But if you and Iso are as similar as you declare, that should be a serious concern to you. I'm not going to let a no lynch happen if it comes down to it.
You might be able to get enough people on Jenna, though.
I wrote it. Because I lie and gambit constantly, as town, for the sake of generating information. And that is absolutely, 100% part of my town game, going back over twelve years. Including saying that I'm scum. I'm notorious for it, to the extent that if I do it as scum, it's because I'm copying my townie MO and pretending to be doing it for information gathering purposes.
And how the bloody heck are we supposed to believe that you're not doing that this game?
Ok, I'm going to come out and say this as politely as possible...
HOW ARE WE NOT LYNCHING LW, DBS or JENNA!?
We have a day left and we are talking about lynching Tom or ISO or even Azrael!? All of those player, if they are town, are heavy hitters and that I want on my town team going into Lylo. I will cry and soil myself if I go into LyLo with town LW, DBS and/or Jenna. Let's play the long game here. Yeah, this sounds terrible, but if any of those three are town, call this a town bus on them lead by yours truly.
well I'm town lol, and what's with the emotional play? I've won my fair share of lylos before...
plus why are u assuming you'll be in lylo? And lylo is pretty far away to be thinking about... Sorry this post is just weird from you. You went from calm, at the beginning of this game to just randomly spurting AtE's every once in a while about how your confused that me Jenna or Dawn aren't dead yet lol
Which game have you been reading!? I came out tied with you in the first competing wagons of the game because I was being aggressive with you! My discussion of LyLo was to impart my infinite wisdom on our town that if ANY of you make it to LyLo, you are a liability not an asset.
based solely off my day 1, you have no idea how I play this game, so don't tell me I'm a liability...
It's your Day 1 play that makes you the liability. If you're town, it's just mislynch fodder.
Especially considering she's completely ignoring the fact that she's been sitting at 5-6 votes and still isn't giving specifics on any of her reads.
It's literally as if she's putting her fingers in her ears and chanting as loud as she can, hoping we'll all go away. Which is pretty much worked for the entire forty-five pages up till now, so, hard to blame her I guess?
Is Jenna is literally 1300 posts behind atm? I'm down with killing iso or grape too. We just need to consolidate on one of these three, and Jenna seems like the front runner?
Jenna and iso have enough heat on them now that they won't skate by unnoticed the rest of the game, but we have insufficient time to suck responses out of them.and I think support for grape has grown to the point we can make that stick. And I absolutely hated his last post.
Especially considering she's completely ignoring the fact that she's been sitting at 5-6 votes and still isn't giving specifics on any of her reads.
It's literally as if she's putting her fingers in her ears and chanting as loud as she can, hoping we'll all go away. Which is pretty much worked for the entire forty-five pages up till now, so, hard to blame her I guess?
Is Jenna is literally 1300 posts behind atm? I'm down with killing iso or grape too. We just need to consolidate on one of these three, and Jenna seems like the front runner?
Jenna and iso have enough heat on them now that they won't skate by unnoticed the rest of the game, but we have insufficient time to suck responses out of them.and I think support for grape has grown to the point we can make that stick. And I absolutely hated his last post.
@Axel: You're saying there's only one type of busywork that scum do? You don't think that overloading your posts with useless stuff makes the person posting look like they're doing more than they are? Like... Osie literally asked me if I saw the moon one night as part of his questions. If that was an isolated incident then ok but he's been doing stuff like that on a regular basis and I literally don't understand why he's not getting more flak for it.
@Everyone: I'm sorry for my general absence... I've been... kind of addicted to the source material of this game and have been playing it pretty nonstop since i signed up for this game.I'm nearing the end of the last game so I've been more focused on that than usual.
Yeah, the no lynch vote is setting off all kinds of alarm bells even with her being newish. And both Iso and Az were pushing for her lynch, though Az was waffling a bit.
I don't feel that we get as much information from Jenna as we do from lynching in Iso/Az, but Terry has a point.
Vote: Jenna
"alarm bells" is a scum phrase etc etc.
This is irritating because I agree with it.
I don't like Az's CFD attempt. It didn't feel natural. IDK. Like, I feel like without it we could have easily gotten a lynch. Then he moved.
No the question remains do I trust Iso? Answer: More than I trust Az.
I think lynching Grape is better than Iso at this stage.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
And how the bloody heck are we supposed to believe that you're not doing that this game?
Well of course you can't know that. Not unless you're actually paying attention to the game, reading my posts, thinking for yourself, and analyzing the game like a townie. I mean, aside from all those things, you have absolutely no way to figure me out. *dryly*
Am I good scum? Yes. Better than most in the game? Probably. Top 10%? No. Is my town game also pretty obvious for people to figure out if they're paying attention? Yes, absolutely. My town game is kind of painfully obvious as a townie (I feel), and when I'm scum, it's more like people have to hem and haw and squint a little bit, and say, well, he's probably town. Which, I know, I know, a couple of people in this game are currently doing. Which I think is silly, because this is the painfully obvious town game that you're seeing here, and partially understandable since I went out of my way to muddy the waters a bit for the sake of info. But, Iso failing to pick up on the obv-town vibes, and trying to make some kind of case where I'm trying to murder him while he can't defend himself, is completely ridiculous and counter-factual, and beneath him. It looks just like a straight OMGUS response, because he's got no better idea of how to carry himself this game.
I prefer Grape, because it's possible that Jenna is just a weird out-of-towner, and we haven't had a full opportunity to dissect her mindset. Best way to handle lurkers is to put them on the radar for pressure early, but you don't rush the actual lynch on them. Not without opening yourself up to mistakes.
Which is why, the closer we got to deadline, I wanted to abort both the Jenna and Iso wagons. We no longer had the time to explore them fully, because of their own posting activity. Not something we can forget about, but it's foolish to push it until we've thoroughly explored their dysfunctions.
So for now, Grape over either of those two, though I'll of course happily stab either of them in a pinch to avoid a no lynch.
@Axel: You're saying there's only one type of busywork that scum do? You don't think that overloading your posts with useless stuff makes the person posting look like they're doing more than they are? Like... Osie literally asked me if I saw the moon one night as part of his questions. If that was an isolated incident then ok but he's been doing stuff like that on a regular basis and I literally don't understand why he's not getting more flak for it.
@Everyone: I'm sorry for my general absence... I've been... kind of addicted to the source material of this game and have been playing it pretty nonstop since i signed up for this game.I'm nearing the end of the last game so I've been more focused on that than usual.
Yeah, the no lynch vote is setting off all kinds of alarm bells even with her being newish. And both Iso and Az were pushing for her lynch, though Az was waffling a bit.
I don't feel that we get as much information from Jenna as we do from lynching in Iso/Az, but Terry has a point.
Vote: Jenna
"alarm bells" is a scum phrase etc etc.
This is irritating because I agree with it.
I don't like Az's CFD attempt. It didn't feel natural. IDK. Like, I feel like without it we could have easily gotten a lynch. Then he moved.
No the question remains do I trust Iso? Answer: More than I trust Az.
I think lynching Grape is better than Iso at this stage.
Osieorb has fallen into a cosy patch of fluff and I have no desire to disturb him.
A lot of people have commented on how I'm posting "a lot of fluff," and:
1. It's not actually a particularly high portion of my posts, especially after the earlyish game.
2. I joke around some. It generally means that I (at least am trying to) enjoy the game. This is not alignment indicative.
3. I'm a verbose writer, at times, to a fault. That's been the case for years. Again, not alignment indicative.
4. "Your guerrilla insurgent is my founding father." Now and then, something that looks like fluff either A) isn't fluff, or B) provokes a useful response even if it is fluff.
Scum have day chat and are trying to drive a Grapefruit Mislynch.
Probs.
Notice how Azreal posts a lot but when Iso responds to him his only response was "LUL that's your play?"
Nothing about anything Iso said.
Azreal = Scum
KJ = scum
Jenna = scum
and his defense is that "my scum and town games are painfully obvious, and people should know this is my town game"... i thought self meta is mostly scummy? either way idk anymore, my brain says Grape, but with that i kinda thought that azreals bounce back mid way through this day was kinda weird, and how easily he jumped on me when he thought i scum slipped.
@Iso, you can be forceful if you want. Why not push for LW? Why not create momentum? Do you think jenna's lynch has so much more momentum? Do you really think an az lynch has any momentum roughly 24 hrs away from deadline?
Because it wasn't the time and the LW horse was thoroughly beaten. However, I can get behind a Jenna lynch for toDay rather than Az.
@Iso, you can be forceful if you want. Why not push for LW? Why not create momentum? Do you think jenna's lynch has so much more momentum? Do you really think an az lynch has any momentum roughly 24 hrs away from deadline?
Because some players don't just go with what has momentum, and instead stick by their beliefs?
Like, I don't think Iso and Az are aligned; it doesn't look like W/W, and it's probably not V/V. And if I were to choose between them looking at the game as a whole, I'd vote Az until his wall of posts, and with Iso's claim, that only solidifies that.
I am using Iso's own logic. There are a lot of people who think LW is scummy, but Iso's refusal to try and swing the wagon that way is weirding me out.
Iso is a believer in town momentum; yes there was no momentum on As, so why vote him? If the argument is that he hoped to create momentum on Az then why not do so with LW?
Ok, I'm going to come out and say this as politely as possible...
HOW ARE WE NOT LYNCHING LW, DBS or JENNA!?
We have a day left and we are talking about lynching Tom or ISO or even Azrael!? All of those player, if they are town, are heavy hitters and that I want on my town team going into Lylo. I will cry and soil myself if I go into LyLo with town LW, DBS and/or Jenna. Let's play the long game here. Yeah, this sounds terrible, but if any of those three are town, call this a town bus on them lead by yours truly.
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@Axel: You're saying there's only one type of busywork that scum do?
Hrm.
You asked me what was the difference between the busywork I was accusing you of and the fluff posts Osie was making and I gave you an answer. At what point did I suggest that "there's only one type of busywork that scum do?" Are you trying to argue terminology with me? Or are you actually saying there's no difference?
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How have we not had time to explore the Jenna Lynch Az!? Jenna has been the vote leader since VC #1414.
Also Jenna has never once responded to the wagon.
Its my classic scum play against wagons.
Ignore and hope it goes away.
This is one of the major reasons my vote is here.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I am using Iso's own logic. There are a lot of people who think LW is scummy, but Iso's refusal to try and swing the wagon that way is weirding me out.
Iso is a believer in town momentum; yes there was no momentum on As, so why vote him? If the argument is that he hoped to create momentum on Az then why not do so with LW?
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Lol. All my posts are good posts. Especially this one.
Or, well, Jenna? I mean, I see your point, but I'm not sure that it's conclusive. Is Iso so predictable of a person/player that he will always focus on momentum over straight belief?
HOW ARE WE NOT LYNCHING LW, DBS or JENNA!?
We have a day left and we are talking about lynching Tom or ISO or even Azrael!? All of those player, if they are town, are heavy hitters and that I want on my town team going into Lylo. I will cry and soil myself if I go into LyLo with town LW, DBS and/or Jenna. Let's play the long game here. Yeah, this sounds terrible, but if any of those three are town, call this a town bus on them lead by yours truly.
IDK how we are not lynching Jenna.
Hence my vote is on Jenna.
Are you actually scum? Have you done the statistically impossible and rolled scum in another one of our games?
My vote is on Jenna too? Do you think I'm bussing her?
I don't feel that we get as much information from Jenna as we do from lynching in Iso/Az, but Terry has a point.
Vote: Jenna
I mean, it's weird, but not that weird from Terry specifically.
Is THIS a scum slip?
(I don't think that either player scum slipped.)
Like, Terry's been scum in every game we've been in, I think. I've read some of his town games and I'm not getting huge scumvibes here.
He's also made a number of good posts. Like a decently high number.
Excuse me?! I intentionally called for a CFD onto Grape for the very reason that I didn't want some kind of before-threshold debacle occurring without time to thoroughly explore Iso's wagon in a timely fashion.
Iso completely ignores that, and accuses me of pushing of trying to kill him while he's away WHEN I SPECIFICALLY UNVOTED HIM AND CALLED FOR A NEW WAGON TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, and initiated a CFD onto Grape instead. But sure, Iso, yeah, I was trying to pull some kind of fast one to get you killed while you were away. *eyeroll*
Then Lngrr and Shin asked for a claim, which I would have gone nuclear in opposing if I were here, because you're right, we don't need a claim from him if we're not planning on lynching him today. That's not on me, if the rest of the town didn't step in to follow appropriate procedure on a wagon that I said should wait until we had more time, for tomorrow.
Scum love chaos and bad lynches.
You should read the MTGS article called something like "The Pinnochio Problem: When Should Townies Lie?" It discusses the purpose and theory behind town gambits and deceptions.
I wrote it. Because I lie and gambit constantly, as town, for the sake of generating information. And that is absolutely, 100% part of my town game, going back over twelve years. Including saying that I'm scum. I'm notorious for it, to the extent that if I do it as scum, it's because I'm copying my townie MO and pretending to be doing it for information gathering purposes.
I was more interested in LW's meta than in yours, actually. And at the moment, that's fairly low on my priority chain.
Iso's response leaves me completely disgusted, but again, I want to take the time to sort him out tomorrow. We don't have the time to deal with a wagon of that magnitude today. Grape is caught scum, we can mop him up easily enough, and then move on to tackling more controversial wagons such as Jenna and Iso for tomorrow.
I don't think that you can get enough momentum on Grape for a lynch. Feel free to prove me wrong. But if you and Iso are as similar as you declare, that should be a serious concern to you. I'm not going to let a no lynch happen if it comes down to it.
You might be able to get enough people on Jenna, though.
Jenna LYNCH
Jenna LYNCH
And how the bloody heck are we supposed to believe that you're not doing that this game?
Jenna Lynch
Jenna Lynch
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Also, that doesn't apply nearly as much now that I'm flatly less inclined to believe that Iso is scum.
Where was that gif that Tom shared? Oh, yeah:
JEnna LYnch
JEnna LYnch
@Everyone: I'm sorry for my general absence... I've been... kind of addicted to the source material of this game and have been playing it pretty nonstop since i signed up for this game.I'm nearing the end of the last game so I've been more focused on that than usual.
"alarm bells" is a scum phrase etc etc.
This is irritating because I agree with it.
I don't like Az's CFD attempt. It didn't feel natural. IDK. Like, I feel like without it we could have easily gotten a lynch. Then he moved.
No the question remains do I trust Iso? Answer: More than I trust Az.
I think lynching Grape is better than Iso at this stage.
Vote: Grapefruit
Well of course you can't know that. Not unless you're actually paying attention to the game, reading my posts, thinking for yourself, and analyzing the game like a townie. I mean, aside from all those things, you have absolutely no way to figure me out. *dryly*
Am I good scum? Yes. Better than most in the game? Probably. Top 10%? No. Is my town game also pretty obvious for people to figure out if they're paying attention? Yes, absolutely. My town game is kind of painfully obvious as a townie (I feel), and when I'm scum, it's more like people have to hem and haw and squint a little bit, and say, well, he's probably town. Which, I know, I know, a couple of people in this game are currently doing. Which I think is silly, because this is the painfully obvious town game that you're seeing here, and partially understandable since I went out of my way to muddy the waters a bit for the sake of info. But, Iso failing to pick up on the obv-town vibes, and trying to make some kind of case where I'm trying to murder him while he can't defend himself, is completely ridiculous and counter-factual, and beneath him. It looks just like a straight OMGUS response, because he's got no better idea of how to carry himself this game.
I prefer Grape, because it's possible that Jenna is just a weird out-of-towner, and we haven't had a full opportunity to dissect her mindset. Best way to handle lurkers is to put them on the radar for pressure early, but you don't rush the actual lynch on them. Not without opening yourself up to mistakes.
Which is why, the closer we got to deadline, I wanted to abort both the Jenna and Iso wagons. We no longer had the time to explore them fully, because of their own posting activity. Not something we can forget about, but it's foolish to push it until we've thoroughly explored their dysfunctions.
So for now, Grape over either of those two, though I'll of course happily stab either of them in a pinch to avoid a no lynch.
BOOOOO
JENna LYNch
JENna LYNch
JENna LYNch
JENna LYNch
/barn in a heartbeat.
I think I explained plenty about the "amount of fluff" here:
Probs.
Notice how Azreal posts a lot but when Iso responds to him his only response was "LUL that's your play?"
Nothing about anything Iso said.
Azreal = Scum
KJ = scum
Jenna = scum
Quick reactions are fun now and then.
Yes but he hasn't developed how Iso is scum.
Just CFD throw Shade and move on.
That's classic scum tell 101.
here you go
did you read my last post
Because it wasn't the time and the LW horse was thoroughly beaten. However, I can get behind a Jenna lynch for toDay rather than Az.
Come at me, bro.
dead horse etc.
LW is a viable wagon for another Day.
Choo choo
Unvote, Vote Jenna
NO BRAKES
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Read moar, please.
NO BRAKES.
2767 and 2780, to be specific.
Vote Jenna, please.
Because you've said you were scumreading her, to be specific.
Also Jenna has never once responded to the wagon.
Its my classic scum play against wagons.
Ignore and hope it goes away.
I'm personally inclined to do some version of that as either alignment, but...
Hrm.
You asked me what was the difference between the busywork I was accusing you of and the fluff posts Osie was making and I gave you an answer. At what point did I suggest that "there's only one type of busywork that scum do?" Are you trying to argue terminology with me? Or are you actually saying there's no difference?
This is one of the major reasons my vote is here.
Choo choo!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I haven't seen a single Jenna scum hunting comment.
I've seen Jenna read people as scum for no reason.
I've seen Jenna mark someone who was replaced as a Town player.