Well two things. One, I still don't get why you think I would vote the person I was saying looked to be bussing instead of the person they could potentially be bussing that I thought was independently scummy. We could just be two people voting the same scummy person. There is no world where voting Tom makes sense instead of voting LW. I'm sorry if you don't think my vote on LW made sense, but I have spent sufficient time explaining it.
@osi: Can you please evoke a serious and consistent playstyle so that I can be arsed to read your posts? Thanks!
That sounds less entertaining, papa Iso. But here's something:
Unvote
Talk to me about your thoughts on Terry and LW; they seem to mostly mirror my own. Also, what do you think about LnGrrrR outside of his RVS vote on you?
Okay....I guess it just seems unreliable to ask for meta and then use that, rather than actually looking at someone's written meta or just ignore it altogether.
I find nothing wrong with asking for meta, but relying on it as a primary source of judgement is of dubious value.
Fwiw i wont follow any plans for the prisoners dilemmas that don't let me betray my scumreads and ally with my townreads
You too Tom!? This reads like scum tom.
Anyone that tries to control the game i believe are the scummy ones but thats just me, forcing a ultimative doesn't sound to townlike wouldnt you agree?
I don't know how I feel about Tom, its Tom. Could be town, could be scum. He is sort of gimmicking right now with no real content. Meh.
Yes I need the three points as fast as possible.
I typically don't focus on Meta much. But with Terry its been like 3 games I've seen him do this. 2 of the games I was his partner and saw it first hand. So, I feel pretty confident about saying that is part of the meta. If he continues on that path it will be pretty obvious soon.
What will be obvious? Because I'm pushing a case on someone I think is scum, you're calling me scum? Should I push a case on an obvious townie to prove I'm town? I'll say this again, just because I bus as scum, it does not mean that I am scum. Your logic makes no sense. Who am I bussing? LW? Tom? who?
Terry don't bull***** me.
You've even said you do this in scum chats. I can go pull it up if you want.
You're missing my point. I'm admitting I bus as scum, but that's because I hunt scum as town and I play scum like I play town. I have meta tells, and hunting scum is not one of them because I hunt scum either way. My town games tend to be more solvey and invested. Please tell me who I am bussing here. This is serious. Who am I bussing?
Are you reading the thread or just looking to pick fights?
If Terry flips scum there is a pretty decent probability that Azreal is scum.
Why?
Why not assume that there is something to punish some betrayals? I'd be heavily surprised if there isn't at least one role that interacts with betrayals on some level. Maybe its too swingy to straight up punish though.
Hmm uncertain then.
@Axel Also.
I've seen Terry time and time again bus as scum. This is the only mode he seems to know as scum and he draws huge red flags when he does this sort of behavior to me. That being said he seems more stuck in his ways a lot of time when he is scum and his flow on Azreal may be more town than scum. I've been annoyed that he is ignoring his wagon for the moment and hope he maybe addresses it. He also is sort of bussing Tom for no good reason though so maybe Tom and him are scum.
@Killjoy
Why stop me from my intended goal of gaining points?
Okay, Stinkyjoe, ignore Tom and just answer this for me because this is the question that matters:
What specifically changed about Last whisper that caused you to be okay voting him 2 posts after you said he was scummy? Because he didn't make any posts.
@DV: So I'm bussing Tom? Even after I never voted him and and never tried to push a wagon onto to him? Even after I decided he was probably town in post #124? You can unvote me now.
Fwiw i wont follow any plans for the prisoners dilemmas that don't let me betray my scumreads and ally with my townreads
You too Tom!? This reads like scum tom.
Anyone that tries to control the game i believe are the scummy ones but thats just me, forcing a ultimative doesn't sound to townlike wouldnt you agree?
I usually get that feeling too, but I've seen town players control the game in a very good way as well.
Liking Shinichi so far.
To answer your question, I revealed because the net gain is >random positive for town, especially since I am not just open for business, I'm going to be very specific about who I am okay betraying me.
Okay, Stinkyjoe, ignore Tom and just answer this for me because this is the question that matters:
What specifically changed about Last whisper that caused you to be okay voting him 2 posts after you said he was scummy? Because he didn't make any posts.
Ok, Phoenix. I've explained it lots of times. I will no longer answer this question.
If I think someone is scummy, that is reason enough to vote them. I don't need extra reasons. When I voted LW AFTER Tom did it was because I already thought LW was scummy an Day 1 wagons are good. This is the most activity that a game on this site has had in it's first 24 hours in a long time. We are well past the RVS waste of time and into the real meat of Day 1. You're welcome.
I asked the mod. if there was going to be any differentiation in the "morning" scenes between people who get killed by the Mafia vs. people who died because they ran out of BP/got betrayed. Then I asked (without really expecting an answer) whether all the dying in this game is just from running out of BP, like the Mafia kill is "target player loses all their BP" or something like that, meaning all the deaths would look the same.
Mod. answer was that all the deaths are going to look the same. So we aren't going to be able to tell (necessarily) who died because they got targeted by the mafia vs. who might have died because he burned up all his BP/got betrayed/etc.
Well that's super problematic.
I'll assume the mod put in things that punish betrayals as well though so for scum going Betray every time won't work the best.
Do people think we should announce who our partners were at the beginning of the day? I'm for it don't see any downside really.
If Terry flips scum there is a pretty decent probability that Azreal is scum.
I don't know how I feel about Tom, its Tom. Could be town, could be scum. He is sort of gimmicking right now with no real content. Meh.
Yes I need the three points as fast as possible.
I typically don't focus on Meta much. But with Terry its been like 3 games I've seen him do this. 2 of the games I was his partner and saw it first hand. So, I feel pretty confident about saying that is part of the meta. If he continues on that path it will be pretty obvious soon.
and the dv i know and love saves this ***** and tries to bury joeterry later in the phase
overall feels like hes just trying to link people together and is not actually trying to get reads on people
im missing the inquisitiveness. the sense of impending gotcha. the reactionary swings.
its like normal town dv is a rather rowdy child and hes pretending to be an adult right now. not like, super adult. still with the gifs or whatever. but hes trying to be even.
and its not normal
This isn't an rvs vote right, because if so this vote is quite over justified to be random. Also this vote screams scum, its one thing to vote to pressure someone but seems like you just want to get rid of said person for being unreadable plus hard to deal with in the late game.
Besides...
IMO Tom generally gets easier to deal with the longer the game goes on.
If betrayal will lead to your death just say it, but if you were to get betrayed while also still living im pretty sure that just make you scum so that statement is risky for you to make.
How can scum be confirmed in 1-2 posts? If anyone's role fishing here it seems to be you, I dont find a need to discuss roles this early into the game yet.
He...
didn't confirm scum and wasn't pushing for other people to reveal their roles.
My role can safely be betrayed a limited number of times without me getting too worried, I'll probably make a list of people I'm okay with betraying me should they get paired against me.
Was it necc to reveal this information? It quite beneficial for scum knowing this.
I asked the mod. if there was going to be any differentiation in the "morning" scenes between people who get killed by the Mafia vs. people who died because they ran out of BP/got betrayed. Then I asked (without really expecting an answer) whether all the dying in this game is just from running out of BP, like the Mafia kill is "target player loses all their BP" or something like that, meaning all the deaths would look the same.
Mod. answer was that all the deaths are going to look the same. So we aren't going to be able to tell (necessarily) who died because they got targeted by the mafia vs. who might have died because he burned up all his BP/got betrayed/etc.
Well that's super problematic.
I'll assume the mod put in things that punish betrayals as well though so for scum going Betray every time won't work the best.
Do people think we should announce who our partners were at the beginning of the day? I'm for it don't see any downside really.
If Terry flips scum there is a pretty decent probability that Azreal is scum.
I don't know how I feel about Tom, its Tom. Could be town, could be scum. He is sort of gimmicking right now with no real content. Meh.
Yes I need the three points as fast as possible.
I typically don't focus on Meta much. But with Terry its been like 3 games I've seen him do this. 2 of the games I was his partner and saw it first hand. So, I feel pretty confident about saying that is part of the meta. If he continues on that path it will be pretty obvious soon.
and the dv i know and love saves this ***** and tries to bury joeterry later in the phase
overall feels like hes just trying to link people together and is not actually trying to get reads on people
im missing the inquisitiveness. the sense of impending gotcha. the reactionary swings.
its like normal town dv is a rather rowdy child and hes pretending to be an adult right now. not like, super adult. still with the gifs or whatever. but hes trying to be even.
and its not normal
Welp I'm town so get rekt.
Ok.
Tom feels town now.
Terry probs town now too. He has good responses.
Okay, Stinkyjoe, ignore Tom and just answer this for me because this is the question that matters:
What specifically changed about Last whisper that caused you to be okay voting him 2 posts after you said he was scummy? Because he didn't make any posts.
Ok, Phoenix. I've explained it lots of times. I will no longer answer this question.
If I think someone is scummy, that is reason enough to vote them. I don't need extra reasons. When I voted LW AFTER Tom did it was because I already thought LW was scummy an Day 1 wagons are good. This is the most activity that a game on this site has had in it's first 24 hours in a long time. We are well past the RVS waste of time and into the real meat of Day 1. You're welcome.
I see. this activity isn't the norm then. was thinking I missed smthing there.
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its like normal town dv is a rather rowdy child and hes pretending to be an adult right now. not like, super adult. still with the gifs or whatever. but hes trying to be even.
and its not normal
Really? Are you sure this isn't just due to a general lack of pressure on him? Since I found most of his town games that I've read that meshed with your view also had him being scumread as town.
not quoting osi's spoiler post but i like the way hes not reading me if that makes any sense.
when he quotes me its just interaction. its not pressure, its not defensive, its not even (particularly) pockety.
and then he talks to people (terry, dv, blues) about me like he actually wants to hear what they have to say.
its probing rather than encouraging. without agenda. cautious?
idk i feel like hes... not scared of me exactly but. yeah. cautious.
@DV: So I'm bussing Tom? Even after I never voted him and and never tried to push a wagon onto to him? Even after I decided he was probably town in post #124? You can unvote me now.
Its a good defense.
He is making logical points.
And he actually is aligning Tom into a town slot with this post, because hes now quoted himself saying he thought Tom was town and once again acknowledging that. If he was "Bussing Tom" he would be a lot more wishy washy. This is affirmative. "I think X, I said X here. What are you talking about?" sort of statement. Its town.
You also have post 198 floating into mind for recent posts that I felt were good.
You know what. **** it. Terry is now my number one town.
not quoting osi's spoiler post but i like the way hes not reading me if that makes any sense.
when he quotes me its just interaction. its not pressure, its not defensive, its not even (particularly) pockety.
and then he talks to people (terry, dv, blues) about me like he actually wants to hear what they have to say.
its probing rather than encouraging. without agenda. cautious?
idk i feel like hes... not scared of me exactly but. yeah. cautious.
feels real with out history
I don't understand the last sentence.
What do you mean that it feels real without history?
Because it just feels real to me.
My role can safely be betrayed a limited number of times without me getting too worried, I'll probably make a list of people I'm okay with betraying me should they get paired against me.
not quoting osi's spoiler post but i like the way hes not reading me if that makes any sense.
when he quotes me its just interaction. its not pressure, its not defensive, its not even (particularly) pockety.
and then he talks to people (terry, dv, blues) about me like he actually wants to hear what they have to say.
its probing rather than encouraging. without agenda. cautious?
idk i feel like hes... not scared of me exactly but. yeah. cautious.
feels real with out history
I don't understand the last sentence.
What do you mean that it feels real without history?
Because it just feels real to me.
Okay, Stinkyjoe, ignore Tom and just answer this for me because this is the question that matters:
What specifically changed about Last whisper that caused you to be okay voting him 2 posts after you said he was scummy? Because he didn't make any posts.
Ok, Phoenix. I've explained it lots of times. I will no longer answer this question.
If I think someone is scummy, that is reason enough to vote them. I don't need extra reasons. When I voted LW AFTER Tom did it was because I already thought LW was scummy an Day 1 wagons are good. This is the most activity that a game on this site has had in it's first 24 hours in a long time. We are well past the RVS waste of time and into the real meat of Day 1. You're welcome.
So literally just for the sake of making a wagon.
Okay then.
Talk to me about Tomsloger; you said you're currently town reading him, why?
I was going to start off with "He's SO defensive and repeatedly obnoxious," but I think that's not completely fair, especially after looking at the posts in question.
@DV: So I'm bussing Tom? Even after I never voted him and and never tried to push a wagon onto to him? Even after I decided he was probably town in post #124? You can unvote me now.
And he actually is aligning Tom into a town slot with this post, because hes now quoted himself saying he thought Tom was town and once again acknowledging that. If he was "Bussing Tom" he would be a lot more wishy washy. This is affirmative. "I think X, I said X here. What are you talking about?" sort of statement. Its town.
Are you 100% sure that the back-off was entirely organic, though?
I've liked some of his posts a lot, which leads me to place him at an overall townlean, but at the same time, he seems hard-tunneled on RSJT, and some bits here and there look a little strange.
its like normal town dv is a rather rowdy child and hes pretending to be an adult right now. not like, super adult. still with the gifs or whatever. but hes trying to be even.
and its not normal
Really? Are you sure this isn't just due to a general lack of pressure on him? Since I found most of his town games that I've read that meshed with your view also had him being scumread as town.
i dont think it has anything to do with pressure
i, uhhh, might have to check that though
its like normal town dv is a rather rowdy child and hes pretending to be an adult right now. not like, super adult. still with the gifs or whatever. but hes trying to be even.
and its not normal
Really? Are you sure this isn't just due to a general lack of pressure on him? Since I found most of his town games that I've read that meshed with your view also had him being scumread as town.
i dont think it has anything to do with pressure
i, uhhh, might have to check that though
I've liked some of his posts a lot, which leads me to place him at an overall townlean, but at the same time, he seems hard-tunneled on RSJT, and some bits here and there look a little strange.
I'd say town if it wasn't for that RNG vote on Killjoy.
I'm starting to suspect Azreal knocked it out of the park with his Killjoy/LastWhisper scum call out.
That might seem like a dumb reason to suspect someone but I'm telling you when I play scum thinking about my first post is always hard. And I feel there is a lot to be gleaned from first posts of scum.
Yeah he tunneled RSJT but its like 10 hours in. He started diversifying in the last hour or so. Need more information.
its like normal town dv is a rather rowdy child and hes pretending to be an adult right now. not like, super adult. still with the gifs or whatever. but hes trying to be even.
and its not normal
Really? Are you sure this isn't just due to a general lack of pressure on him? Since I found most of his town games that I've read that meshed with your view also had him being scumread as town.
i dont think it has anything to do with pressure
i, uhhh, might have to check that though
I thought Tom had me on lock. I'm no longer concerned about this.
I've liked some of his posts a lot, which leads me to place him at an overall townlean, but at the same time, he seems hard-tunneled on RSJT, and some bits here and there look a little strange.
townlean for him. I like how he questioned me. I also like #225 from Tom - didn't bank on the conflict about meta between me and Phoenix. so saying, my vote on Tom is a placeholder for now while I look at the others.
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I'm voting LnGrrrR because I don't care for his tone. I would like to see more, though.
I also don't care for Lastwhisper, and I do like some most of the people on his wagon, but the wagon itself felt a little hasty, which is still giving me pause.
I've liked some of his posts a lot, which leads me to place him at an overall townlean, but at the same time, he seems hard-tunneled on RSJT, and some bits here and there look a little strange.
so, like, let it develop
currently would not betray either of them though
I'm voting LnGrrrR because I don't care for his tone. I would like to see more, though.
I also don't care for Lastwhisper, and I do like some most of the people on his wagon, but the wagon itself felt a little hasty, which is still giving me pause.
Tone is a worse reason to vote for someone over really bad responses from slight pressure.
I'm voting LnGrrrR because I don't care for his tone. I would like to see more, though.
I also don't care for Lastwhisper, and I do like some most of the people on his wagon, but the wagon itself felt a little hasty, which is still giving me pause.
Tone is a worse reason to vote for someone over really bad responses from slight pressure.
Okay, to elaborate:
I was also concerned reading LnGrrrR's first post, especially given the strict contradiction from a rational thought process, let alone a town thought process. He then suggested that easily mislynched townies should suicide themselves, agreed with something that I think is incautious, specifically questioned Grapefruit out of the blue about something random (while I have a light townlean on Grapefruit, this could be buddying setup), and his last post, towards me, was worded in a way that seemed like he was trying to lead me into saying or doing something.
Currently I have 1-2 scum in inactives (BluesEclipse, Megiddo, Jenna), though that is certainly open to change based on more posts from people who I am less than certain on.
Currently I have 1-2 scum in inactives (BluesEclipse, Megiddo, Jenna), though that is certainly open to change based on more posts from people who I am less than certain on.
@Grape, I have my reasons. But look at it this way: a townie who knows he is mislynch material can choose to off himself by stating he will choose betray if partnered with anyone on his town block. Scum obviously wont eliminate themselves.
My stance may change later. Or it may not. Anyone who wants to risk my wrath can do so at their own peril.
This is still a scum stance to take. Different roles are going to have different ally/betray motivations and it's dangerous to make sweeping reads based solely on the results of that. It's informative, but not conclusive.
The tom/Terry/Wisp triangle is very confusing. I think my current take is that all are town, but my confidence level in that take is about 15%.
110 from LnGrrrR feels slightly like trying to appease me and get me off of this track. To answer it though we need to be aware but before making any hard decisions I want reads. My behavior in handling mechanics in this game is going to vary greatly based on my reads.
@DawningBlueSky why does tom looks suspect to you? What makes Wisp/Terry town? Not full cases just quick hits.
Terry's 124 feels so non commital/hedgy. But it's not enough on it's own to make me retract my previous statement.
I feel about tom's 125 the way he feels about Axel's post he's quoting.
134 made me smile. Somersaulting spiders. Incredible.
Fwiw i wont follow any plans for the prisoners dilemmas that don't let me betray my scumreads and ally with my townreads
You too Tom!? This reads like scum tom.
as compared to what?
[b]vote stinkyjoe[/b]
I like the question but not the vote, this vote just seems like its filled with OMGUS "YOur saying I'm scum guess I gotta vote you now" You also didnt give him a chance to explain where his read came from.
Yep, I'm on board especially because this feels like a Tom bus.
[b]VOTE: Last Whisper[/b]
[b]Vote StinkyJoeterry[/b]
This progression is awful.
Why?
THis progression does seem awful particular becauese the change was too fast, also these trains are starting quite quickly i believe scum are playing games here.
Compared to the last game where I played with you and you were scum... you know like a week ago?
so meta? 2 week day phases, so meta shouldnt be ur underlining reason for voting someone...
Why are you defending Tom?
Why does it matter if hes defending Tom, if you hold such high regards to meta don't you recall I defended people to as town and i got mislynched on top of all of that. On a side note I do not particular like Tom, kinda feels like a low key version of Kpaca. Which isn't a good thing.
@Grape, I have my reasons. But look at it this way: a townie who knows he is mislynch material can choose to off himself by stating he will choose betray if partnered with anyone on his town block. Scum obviously wont eliminate themselves.
My stance may change later. Or it may not. Anyone who wants to risk my wrath can do so at their own peril.
Ill risk your wraith, its sounds interesting. Also i don't like the fact that your openly okay stating that That a person you think is town so allow themselves to be killed for the benefit of others. More and more I read your posts the more I am ok with you being lynched so far at this point in the game your quite scummy.
In other news, I'd like to propose that no one is allowed to betray except by advance agreement/clearance by the town. Partly because if anyone betrays me, I'm probably insta-dead. Which seems like a thing where if someone would try to do that to me, they shouldn't have an excuse, and I'm likely not the only one. Thoughts?
Like, if you are going to die if you get betrayed, then, yes, this is probably a thing you should announce ahead of time.
I am asking the mod a question tangentially related to this right now.
I'm confused are you not in favor of the betrays needing to be agreed before they happen? I guess assuming they can betray that night.
The default ought to be ally/ally. I know from experience, however, that some # of people are just going to think they know better and/or that in their particular case it's better for them to betray and are going to be planning to do it regardless. All I'm agreeing is that if you are going to die if you get betrayed that is something that should probably be out there so there's at least some accountability.
OTOH, some # of people are probably going to be okay if they get betrayed and be willing to get betrayed to boost someone else up, if it's someone they trust. I am onboard with the idea of making a list at the end of the day of people I am okay with betraying me if I get paired up with them.
I agree with claiming at 1 BP, with the aforementioned exception if you plan on kamikazeing.
The people that are stating, they will hunt those down who are betrayed could easily be mafia who are effected negativetly by being betrayed. I wonder why no one has brought that up, both town and Mafia are hurt by betray yet people are only concerned about how it may hurt town. The default should be that, but we don't know anything abouut why people might want to chose the latter. I am not ok being betrayed but it would be clear where there intention lies if it happens. I don't agree on claiming espically seeing as how those who claim can be scum, plus if they're town your literally asking them to claim then suicide am i right?
stop linking me with TOM, there is no connection between me and him... my vote on you has nothing to do with him, and he voted me, and then changed to you, because of your vote. If mean and TOM were scum buddies there would be absolutely no reason to add votes to my train...
The connection started with me thinking Tom sounded like he was bussing you by his tone. By itself, not solid enough to be concerned, but when you responded a defense to a comment I made directly to Tom it kind of solidified it.
Again I did the same thing as town, so thats 2 different metas in play right there. What makes you so sure tom is bussing at this time?
I asked the mod. if there was going to be any differentiation in the "morning" scenes between people who get killed by the Mafia vs. people who died because they ran out of BP/got betrayed. Then I asked (without really expecting an answer) whether all the dying in this game is just from running out of BP, like the Mafia kill is "target player loses all their BP" or something like that, meaning all the deaths would look the same.
Mod. answer was that all the deaths are going to look the same. So we aren't going to be able to tell (necessarily) who died because they got targeted by the mafia vs. who might have died because he burned up all his BP/got betrayed/etc.
I feel like putting this information out there just insured chaos, because if your not lieing then that means no one will know who was the mafia kill or who died by betrayal.
stop linking me with TOM, there is no connection between me and him... my vote on you has nothing to do with him, and he voted me, and then changed to you, because of your vote. If mean and TOM were scum buddies there would be absolutely no reason to add votes to my train...
The connection started with me thinking Tom sounded like he was bussing you by his tone. By itself, not solid enough to be concerned, but when you responded a defense to a comment I made directly to Tom it kind of solidified it.
except i just told u I wasnt defending Tom... and the only connection that would exist, would be if hes Town a long side me...
if my vote is omgus, urs is just as omgus, ur superficial reasons doesnt make this anymore of an omgus vote then mine then, if so believe my vote was omgus. Plus I can tell you that your wrong about how I play. w/e you think I "noticed" didnt actually happen...
The votes piled on because your first initialize induction into this game, and your vote on me was just trash...
No, in no world was my vote on you an OMGUS. Do you even know what that term means? My vote on you was 100% based on you're play, not you voting me. You weren't even looking my direction when I voted you. There is no OMGUS there. You only voted me because I voted you, which is a typical Scum tell.
so was mine... that was the point of my quote... are you even reading? Your tone, did not match ur vote, that was my reasoning, if reason exists then the vote is not omgus... ????
I disagree, my #53 had no sarcastic tone. It was a dead serious realization.
To imply only scum OMGUS seems a little far fetched. Also I sensed sarcasm as well, rather you meant to or not it was there. Question why are you so focused onn just last when there are plenty of other palyers that need poking at.
stop linking me with TOM, there is no connection between me and him... my vote on you has nothing to do with him, and he voted me, and then changed to you, because of your vote. If mean and TOM were scum buddies there would be absolutely no reason to add votes to my train...
The connection started with me thinking Tom sounded like he was bussing you by his tone. By itself, not solid enough to be concerned, but when you responded a defense to a comment I made directly to Tom it kind of solidified it.
except i just told u I wasnt defending Tom... and the only connection that would exist, would be if hes Town a long side me...
Well, I'm town so you can unvote me, because I just told you I was town.
What was the point of this post? Surely you know people won't unvote you due to your word alone, espically not that easily.
@DawningBlueSky why does tom looks suspect to you? What makes Wisp/Terry town? Not full cases just quick hits.
Terry's 124 feels so non commital/hedgy. But it's not enough on it's own to make me retract my previous statement.
I feel about tom's 125 the way he feels about Axel's post he's quoting.
134 made me smile. Somersaulting spiders. Incredible.
More to come.
I mentioned alrdy in #235 that Tom is coming off as townie to me. consider my vote on him as rvs for now.
LW hasn't done anything significantly scummy yet but the train/reasons on him built up too quickly - townlean for that. mind u I haven't seen his scumgame yet, so I'm keeping an eye out.
I'm not sure about Terry, but early train has p much the same reasons as LW.
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His general tone feels nervous and defensive. The post I voted him for was one where he was absolutely confident he was not going to die soon, which is a weird thought for a townie to have.
Then he went into this whole thing that he ABSOLUTELY wasn't defending tom, so stop asking! Like, just the stances he takes on things aren't reading as if from a town persective.
What ties do you think I'm making?
That Tone I can understand since I play similarly. As for the way he reacted, it just seems more like a reaction given by a town thats annoyed his posts are being misread.
@Shinichi I'm starting to be convinced that you don't know what rolefishing is my friend. Because what LnGrrrR was doing was 100% rolefishing and it was his first post of the game.
His general tone feels nervous and defensive. The post I voted him for was one where he was absolutely confident he was not going to die soon, which is a weird thought for a townie to have.
Then he went into this whole thing that he ABSOLUTELY wasn't defending tom, so stop asking! Like, just the stances he takes on things aren't reading as if from a town persective.
What ties do you think I'm making?
StinkyJoe was in the lead by 2 votes, but u switching over to LW made the top trains tied again.
and I don't see that as a valid argument to lynch LW over - just cuz he talks as if he won't die soon and he denies defending someone. looks like an asspull excuse imo
Whats wrong with have 2 trains? A countertrain this early is qutie nice.
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I think this game would be quite hard to balance if it wasnt public.
That's one.
Lots of active players.
That sounds less entertaining, papa Iso. But here's something:
Unvote
Talk to me about your thoughts on Terry and LW; they seem to mostly mirror my own. Also, what do you think about LnGrrrR outside of his RVS vote on you?
I find nothing wrong with asking for meta, but relying on it as a primary source of judgement is of dubious value.
Anyone that tries to control the game i believe are the scummy ones but thats just me, forcing a ultimative doesn't sound to townlike wouldnt you agree?
Are you reading the thread or just looking to pick fights?
He's town.
Is that bad form, against some rule or other, or something else?
What specifically changed about Last whisper that caused you to be okay voting him 2 posts after you said he was scummy? Because he didn't make any posts.
To answer your question, I revealed because the net gain is >random positive for town, especially since I am not just open for business, I'm going to be very specific about who I am okay betraying me.
If I think someone is scummy, that is reason enough to vote them. I don't need extra reasons. When I voted LW AFTER Tom did it was because I already thought LW was scummy an Day 1 wagons are good. This is the most activity that a game on this site has had in it's first 24 hours in a long time. We are well past the RVS waste of time and into the real meat of Day 1. You're welcome.
overall feels like hes just trying to link people together and is not actually trying to get reads on people
im missing the inquisitiveness. the sense of impending gotcha. the reactionary swings.
its like normal town dv is a rather rowdy child and hes pretending to be an adult right now. not like, super adult. still with the gifs or whatever. but hes trying to be even.
and its not normal
do we have here?
Besides...
IMO Tom generally gets easier to deal with the longer the game goes on.
What...
are you getting at here?
He...
didn't confirm scum and wasn't pushing for other people to reveal their roles.
Why...
point out the former, then? Oh, and...
Why...
do you feel that the latter is the case?
This...
comes off really obnoxiously, just saying.
Welp I'm town so get rekt.
Ok.
Tom feels town now.
Terry probs town now too. He has good responses.
That leaves.
Mmmm.
Unvote Vote LastWhisper
Time to beat the newb to death.
Be grateful, always."
Really? Are you sure this isn't just due to a general lack of pressure on him? Since I found most of his town games that I've read that meshed with your view also had him being scumread as town.
Could you point out to me what you find good about his responses or which responses you think are good?
I could do that yes.
Please and thank you?
when he quotes me its just interaction. its not pressure, its not defensive, its not even (particularly) pockety.
and then he talks to people (terry, dv, blues) about me like he actually wants to hear what they have to say.
its probing rather than encouraging. without agenda. cautious?
idk i feel like hes... not scared of me exactly but. yeah. cautious.
feels real with out history
So,
This response felt good to me.
Its a good defense.
He is making logical points.
And he actually is aligning Tom into a town slot with this post, because hes now quoted himself saying he thought Tom was town and once again acknowledging that. If he was "Bussing Tom" he would be a lot more wishy washy. This is affirmative. "I think X, I said X here. What are you talking about?" sort of statement. Its town.
You also have post 198 floating into mind for recent posts that I felt were good.
You know what. **** it. Terry is now my number one town.
So that means.
Terry
Azreal
Iso
Tom
Cautious townread is a perfectly apt description.
I don't understand the last sentence.
What do you mean that it feels real without history?
Because it just feels real to me.
also noting blues' general approach of "i find you scummy so better make sure its not just a meta clash" is reasonably townie
*with our history
Okay then.
Talk to me about Tomsloger; you said you're currently town reading him, why?
Okay...
Are you 100% sure that the back-off was entirely organic, though?
198 is REALLY good, actually. You're right there. Despite my three strikes countdown on him, I think that might actually redeem him.
I wouldn't go that far, but I'd certainly push him out of my scumreads after giving 198 a good look-see.
Vote: LnGrrrR
What do you think of Phoenix-Fire?
I've liked some of his posts a lot, which leads me to place him at an overall townlean, but at the same time, he seems hard-tunneled on RSJT, and some bits here and there look a little strange.
i, uhhh, might have to check that though
Possible related reading: Wheat's game.
I'd say town if it wasn't for that RNG vote on Killjoy.
I'm starting to suspect Azreal knocked it out of the park with his Killjoy/LastWhisper scum call out.
That might seem like a dumb reason to suspect someone but I'm telling you when I play scum thinking about my first post is always hard. And I feel there is a lot to be gleaned from first posts of scum.
Yeah he tunneled RSJT but its like 10 hours in. He started diversifying in the last hour or so. Need more information.
I thought Tom had me on lock. I'm no longer concerned about this.
Or he is scum looking for a miss lynch.
Be grateful, always."
Isolation of LnG.
I'm voting LnGrrrR because I don't care for his tone. I would like to see more, though.
I also don't care for Lastwhisper, and I do like
somemost of the people on his wagon, but the wagon itself felt a little hasty, which is still giving me pause.currently would not betray either of them though
Tone is a worse reason to vote for someone over really bad responses from slight pressure.
Okay, to elaborate:
I was also concerned reading LnGrrrR's first post, especially given the strict contradiction from a rational thought process, let alone a town thought process. He then suggested that easily mislynched townies should suicide themselves, agreed with something that I think is incautious, specifically questioned Grapefruit out of the blue about something random (while I have a light townlean on Grapefruit, this could be buddying setup), and his last post, towards me, was worded in a way that seemed like he was trying to lead me into saying or doing something.
Megs is in this game and hasn't posted.
Unvote Vote Megs
JK.
Unvote Vote LastWhipser
But 4 real FOS Megs
This is still a scum stance to take. Different roles are going to have different ally/betray motivations and it's dangerous to make sweeping reads based solely on the results of that. It's informative, but not conclusive.
105 is a town post. And I'm only half joking.
The tom/Terry/Wisp triangle is very confusing. I think my current take is that all are town, but my confidence level in that take is about 15%.
110 from LnGrrrR feels slightly like trying to appease me and get me off of this track. To answer it though we need to be aware but before making any hard decisions I want reads. My behavior in handling mechanics in this game is going to vary greatly based on my reads.
@DawningBlueSky why does tom looks suspect to you? What makes Wisp/Terry town? Not full cases just quick hits.
Terry's 124 feels so non commital/hedgy. But it's not enough on it's own to make me retract my previous statement.
I feel about tom's 125 the way he feels about Axel's post he's quoting.
134 made me smile. Somersaulting spiders. Incredible.
More to come.
I'm going to have to spend some time to figure out exactly what's going on here.
I like the question but not the vote, this vote just seems like its filled with OMGUS "YOur saying I'm scum guess I gotta vote you now" You also didnt give him a chance to explain where his read came from.
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Seeing as how I dont care to read the game, can you give me some reasons why this tom feels similar to that games tom?
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THis progression does seem awful particular becauese the change was too fast, also these trains are starting quite quickly i believe scum are playing games here.
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Why does it matter if hes defending Tom, if you hold such high regards to meta don't you recall I defended people to as town and i got mislynched on top of all of that. On a side note I do not particular like Tom, kinda feels like a low key version of Kpaca. Which isn't a good thing.
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Ill risk your wraith, its sounds interesting. Also i don't like the fact that your openly okay stating that That a person you think is town so allow themselves to be killed for the benefit of others. More and more I read your posts the more I am ok with you being lynched so far at this point in the game your quite scummy.
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The people that are stating, they will hunt those down who are betrayed could easily be mafia who are effected negativetly by being betrayed. I wonder why no one has brought that up, both town and Mafia are hurt by betray yet people are only concerned about how it may hurt town. The default should be that, but we don't know anything abouut why people might want to chose the latter. I am not ok being betrayed but it would be clear where there intention lies if it happens. I don't agree on claiming espically seeing as how those who claim can be scum, plus if they're town your literally asking them to claim then suicide am i right?
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Again I did the same thing as town, so thats 2 different metas in play right there. What makes you so sure tom is bussing at this time?
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I feel like putting this information out there just insured chaos, because if your not lieing then that means no one will know who was the mafia kill or who died by betrayal.
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SO you were just answering for tom then?
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To imply only scum OMGUS seems a little far fetched. Also I sensed sarcasm as well, rather you meant to or not it was there. Question why are you so focused onn just last when there are plenty of other palyers that need poking at.
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What was the point of this post? Surely you know people won't unvote you due to your word alone, espically not that easily.
From my expierence that interaction is more S v S if one or the other flips scum.
LW hasn't done anything significantly scummy yet but the train/reasons on him built up too quickly - townlean for that. mind u I haven't seen his scumgame yet, so I'm keeping an eye out.
I'm not sure about Terry, but early train has p much the same reasons as LW.
Be grateful, always."
That Tone I can understand since I play similarly. As for the way he reacted, it just seems more like a reaction given by a town thats annoyed his posts are being misread.
crap
@Shinichi I'm starting to be convinced that you don't know what rolefishing is my friend. Because what LnGrrrR was doing was 100% rolefishing and it was his first post of the game.
Whats wrong with have 2 trains? A countertrain this early is qutie nice.