Fun fact. I've never been in an Iso game where he has gone off. And only ever seen him durdle.
So do you think he should just be excused? That's a dangerous precedent regardless
No but I think using it to lynch on the other hand is just as bad.
Which is what the wagon is on him.
How do you see one but not the other as a bad argument?
Because doing nothing is not pro-town regardless of his usual playstyle. I think the argument about this being much different than his usual style is just a supporting point. As I said, I've never played with him before and he still looks scummy, so I imagine that's not the only mark against him.
Furthermore, there are a lot of reasons to vote/pressure players, not just lynching them (and no one is calling to end the day right now). Maybe the pressure will get him going, or his reactions will offer insight to his alignment. Either way, it's better than just letting him coast.
Megs could be his buddy.
I tried to talk to him about iso before AZ brought him to the forefront and megs just said "yeah that is weird" basically but no vote or further delving there.
Feel like he knows iso at least as well as me? Possibly as well as AZ and he should really be at least trying to figure him out rn
How can anyone not get a good read on the playerbase wen we're at 2k posts?
You say this but have some people at neutral still do you not?
agree, idk where the correlation comes from, 2k posts, but its still day 1, so we have no confirmed information to go off of, so if u had everyone placed, it would only mean your possibly scum. At least thats how I see it...
How can anyone not get a good read on the playerbase wen we're at 2k posts?
You say this but have some people at neutral still do you not?
agree, idk where the correlation comes from, 2k posts, but its still day 1, so we have no confirmed information to go off of, so if u had everyone placed, it would only mean your possibly scum. At least thats how I see it...
U agreeing with me or Dbs post lol?
I think he pointed out that saying I had neutral reads means you're just saying I'm town (from his perspective).
then again... it could be saying YOU are scum for having so many townreads and only 3 players for your lynch pool~
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Megs could be his buddy.
I tried to talk to him about iso before AZ brought him to the forefront and megs just said "yeah that is weird" basically but no vote or further delving there.
Feel like he knows iso at least as well as me? Possibly as well as AZ and he should really be at least trying to figure him out rn
Megs could be his buddy.
I tried to talk to him about iso before AZ brought him to the forefront and megs just said "yeah that is weird" basically but no vote or further delving there.
Feel like he knows iso at least as well as me? Possibly as well as AZ and he should really be at least trying to figure him out rn
So I'm consensus scum now because I don't have inventive reads and am just going with the flow? I was the first to point out Iso's buddying to Az and Axelrod.
Sidebar: The current wagon on him is good, but I'm not willing to join yet, want to see him reply since he hasn't since this started.
I haven't had inventive reads but I was the first to pressure DBS for buddying up to last.
I haven't had inventive reads but I pressured LnGrrrR from his first post.
I haven't bounced around and spouted theories but I back tracked on my Wisp never gets lynched before DBS to believing he's obvious scum.
And enough defense. No one but DV was weirded out by Wisp attempting to follow DBS' vote again (after retracting his town read on her and saying he'd be slightly okay with her lynch) but failed because he was already voting Osie. Yes I've been banging the he's a sloppy player and don't scum read him for that drum, but this is beyond sloppy. This is a repeated pattern of opportunistic vote hopping and not having a stance beyond sheeping whatever DBS is saying.
How can anyone not get a good read on the playerbase wen we're at 2k posts?
You say this but have some people at neutral still do you not?
agree, idk where the correlation comes from, 2k posts, but its still day 1, so we have no confirmed information to go off of, so if u had everyone placed, it would only mean your possibly scum. At least thats how I see it...
I was wrong in that last bit. I think tom said he'd take a second look as well. And had the most believeable progression on me following Az's declaration of scumminess.
So I'm consensus scum now because I don't have inventive reads and am just going with the flow? I was the first to point out Iso's buddying to Az and Axelrod.
Sidebar: The current wagon on him is good, but I'm not willing to join yet, want to see him reply since he hasn't since this started.
I haven't had inventive reads but I was the first to pressure DBS for buddying up to last.
I haven't had inventive reads but I pressured LnGrrrR from his first post.
I haven't bounced around and spouted theories but I back tracked on my Wisp never gets lynched before DBS to believing he's obvious scum.
And enough defense. No one but DV was weirded out by Wisp attempting to follow DBS' vote again (after retracting his town read on her and saying he'd be slightly okay with her lynch) but failed because he was already voting Osie. Yes I've been banging the he's a sloppy player and don't scum read him for that drum, but this is beyond sloppy. This is a repeated pattern of opportunistic vote hopping and not having a stance beyond sheeping whatever DBS is saying.
not just for lack of innovation. you're playing it safe and only stating the obvious. I've seen how you play as both alignments, and this doesn't reflect the town side. there are also no pushes or conviction in your posts, just a commentator's view of things.
don't see the desire to help town at all here~
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So I'm consensus scum now because I don't have inventive reads and am just going with the flow? I was the first to point out Iso's buddying to Az and Axelrod.
Sidebar: The current wagon on him is good, but I'm not willing to join yet, want to see him reply since he hasn't since this started.
I haven't had inventive reads but I was the first to pressure DBS for buddying up to last.
I haven't had inventive reads but I pressured LnGrrrR from his first post.
I haven't bounced around and spouted theories but I back tracked on my Wisp never gets lynched before DBS to believing he's obvious scum.
And enough defense. No one but DV was weirded out by Wisp attempting to follow DBS' vote again (after retracting his town read on her and saying he'd be slightly okay with her lynch) but failed because he was already voting Osie. Yes I've been banging the he's a sloppy player and don't scum read him for that drum, but this is beyond sloppy. This is a repeated pattern of opportunistic vote hopping and not having a stance beyond sheeping whatever DBS is saying.
except here I am still on osi? Ya I can agree I've been a little detached from this game as of recently. Start a train on me if again, again I'm not scum, so the people who are against my train can be either town or scum. But if my train reaches L2 or L1 I'm claiming. Sadly I'm still stuck between if your scum or a townie that's really frustrated at how bad I've been this day.
@Tom you really think that grape would buss me that hard? Like I mean I've been playing terribly but he still could've easily pushed someone else. Again if me and grape are linked it's cause we are town/town or wolf/town, and he would be the wolf
So I'm consensus scum now because I don't have inventive reads and am just going with the flow? I was the first to point out Iso's buddying to Az and Axelrod.
Sidebar: The current wagon on him is good, but I'm not willing to join yet, want to see him reply since he hasn't since this started.
I haven't had inventive reads but I was the first to pressure DBS for buddying up to last.
I haven't had inventive reads but I pressured LnGrrrR from his first post.
I haven't bounced around and spouted theories but I back tracked on my Wisp never gets lynched before DBS to believing he's obvious scum.
And enough defense. No one but DV was weirded out by Wisp attempting to follow DBS' vote again (after retracting his town read on her and saying he'd be slightly okay with her lynch) but failed because he was already voting Osie. Yes I've been banging the he's a sloppy player and don't scum read him for that drum, but this is beyond sloppy. This is a repeated pattern of opportunistic vote hopping and not having a stance beyond sheeping whatever DBS is saying.
except here I am still on osi? Ya I can agree I've been a little detached from this game as of recently. Start a train on me if again, again I'm not scum, so the people who are against my train can be either town or scum. But if my train reaches L2 or L1 I'm claiming. Sadly I'm still stuck between if your scum or a townie that's really frustrated at how bad I've been this day.
@Tom you really think that grape would buss me that hard? Like I mean I've been playing terribly but he still could've easily pushed someone else. Again if me and grape are linked it's cause we are town/town or wolf/town, and he would be the wolf
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@DBS I'm trying to help town but no one is following my leads. You have been alternating between accusing me of tunneling and not pushing my reads. I'm trying. And I want Last to die.
@Az Notice it and comment on it, but not push him or do anything with it?
@Wisp none of what you said is relevant to anything to do with my push on you.
@DBS I'm trying to help town but no one is following my leads. You have been alternating between accusing me of tunneling and not pushing my reads. I'm trying. And I want Last to die.
@Az Notice it and comment on it, but not push him or do anything with it?
@Wisp none of what you said is relevant to anything to do with my push on you.
Noticed, cringed, and then figured it might be unintentional. It's pretty bad as a scum strategy.
@DBS I'm trying to help town but no one is following my leads. You have been alternating between accusing me of tunneling and not pushing my reads. I'm trying. And I want Last to die.
@Az Notice it and comment on it, but not push him or do anything with it?
@Wisp none of what you said is relevant to anything to do with my push on you.
well idk what to say to you then.. keep pushing me lol, just saying Tom thinks we are scum buddies :). Lol
Why are you and shin so focused on me and Dawn lmao... I gotta admit that shins tunnel looks worse, w/e happened to ur grr read? And do you not like any of the trains right now?
Why are you and shin so focused on me and Dawn lmao... I gotta admit that shins tunnel looks worse, w/e happened to ur grr read? And do you not like any of the trains right now?
I think Dawn is town now. I'm interacting with her so much because she has such a strong read on me that seems to not be based on reality. I'm attempting to correct that.
With LnGrrrR his claim is a townie role and completely explains his mechanical focus. Either it's a brilliant fake claim or he's town.
I like the Iso wagon but want to here from him before putting it to L-2. He has been a wet noodle as tom put it, but I've seen him do that as town, but not to this degree. Just can't tell if it feels like this degree because of the crazy high posting volume or if it's because he's scum. My gut still says the former but there are some good points on him beyond the activity.
With Jenna she's entirely a shrug lynch. I don't see malice, but I also don't see anything.
Here's my deal. If ISO is town, he can be an asset. In the most respectful way of saying I can, I don't think the upside to DBS, LW or Jenna is any where near that of ISO's. Thats is also considering that I haven't seen "Epic ISO" as AZ described since I've been playing here, but Jenna's posts are just husks, with such little content that I can't imagine a world where that helps town, LW has exhibited the 7 deadly scum tells (a term I haven't fully fleshed out yet, but for now consider it being the most basic and classic new scum tells), and it seems pretty clear that DBS is a 3rd Party.
I haven't seen you state a compelling reason to vote me other than my previous statement that I wasn't going to let Wisp get lynched before DBS. And I've since explained my change in tune which you haven't commented on. Impossible to tell if it's you not being caught up, or not finding the retraction valid, or actual scummy malice.
Here's my deal. If ISO is town, he can be an asset. In the most respectful way of saying I can, I don't think the upside to DBS, LW or Jenna is any where near that of ISO's. Thats is also considering that I haven't seen "Epic ISO" as AZ described since I've been playing here, but Jenna's posts are just husks, with such little content that I can't imagine a world where that helps town, LW has exhibited the 7 deadly scum tells (a term I haven't fully fleshed out yet, but for now consider it being the most basic and classic new scum tells), and it seems pretty clear that DBS is a 3rd Party.
don't think I did or said anything that says I'm TPR though, if anything I'm town.
I've seen those aggression signs from Iso early on, when I ISOd him, but it has sizzled down as of late. and there's some specific tells in this game that is from scum!Iso, like the emphasis on individualism...or encouraging/insisting others to voice their own opinions, rather than firing away his own reads. Last has had too much focus for this entire phase that I don't think scum would have. if we're going to switch over to someone else, I'd prefer to lynch Grapefruit. Jenna could be weird town or easy scum, and that doesn't sound like our ideal option for the phase.
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almost forgot to say..
I saw your scum meta in the ?? fantasy game and you're more composed/friendly as scum, not as emotional/objective as you are in this game. I'm fine with giving you the townlean. you might be a player who's easy to read, that's why your wagon dismantled so easily.
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Here's my deal. If ISO is town, he can be an asset. In the most respectful way of saying I can, I don't think the upside to DBS, LW or Jenna is any where near that of ISO's. Thats is also considering that I haven't seen "Epic ISO" as AZ described since I've been playing here, but Jenna's posts are just husks, with such little content that I can't imagine a world where that helps town, LW has exhibited the 7 deadly scum tells (a term I haven't fully fleshed out yet, but for now consider it being the most basic and classic new scum tells), and it seems pretty clear that DBS is a 3rd Party.
don't think I did or said anything that says I'm TPR though, if anything I'm town.
I've seen those aggression signs from Iso early on, when I ISOd him, but it has sizzled down as of late. and there's some specific tells in this game that is from scum!Iso, like the emphasis on individualism...or encouraging/insisting others to voice their own opinions, rather than firing away his own reads. Last has had too much focus for this entire phase that I don't think scum would have. if we're going to switch over to someone else, I'd prefer to lynch Grapefruit. Jenna could be weird town or easy scum, and that doesn't sound like our ideal option for the phase.
We have a few more days left, so I think ill do an ISO of Grape's post tmr, after my other phase change...
@Joe: You think that dawn is scum if LW is, but not if LW isn't?
The way things were clicking in my head was that it looked like DBS was defending LW despite LW looking as scummy as it gets. Now that you bring it up, it could be possible that a scum DBS white knights LW town. Now that DBS is claiming vig, if DBS turns out to be town, I'd just have to accept that he's Derp-clearing LW.
I haven't seen you state a compelling reason to vote me other than my previous statement that I wasn't going to let Wisp get lynched before DBS. And I've since explained my change in tune which you haven't commented on. Impossible to tell if it's you not being caught up, or not finding the retraction valid, or actual scummy malice.
It's rather rude of you to expect that I get your approval before voting you. I am not caught up yet, and as I try to manage past and present, I get glimpses of replies, a hundred threads I expect to see followed. It will be nice for the timelines to converge some day.
@dawn: I was under no obligation or pressure to claim. Calling me scummy because I read my role PM in under 2 seconds on my phone in passing exactly once - when I confirmed to Bur that I received my role PM - until I checked my role PM after I CCed you is...just further proof that you're looking for a reason to OMGUS me for something I'm not even doing.
I believe with confidence that this must be a lie. Who, when faced with someone claiming your role, doesn't give the benefit of the doubt and first double-check before opening the mouth and spilling errors thus forth?
@Iso vote: Iso L2 (means two votes away from being lynched for those who dont know)
I just cant get over her taking back her role claim... hopefully he starts joining back into the game once the weekend is over...
This is a bad lynch. I hate how this train formed. Scum ISO doesn't butcher a CC and the retract it. If scum ISO were to attempt a CC ploy against a claimed vig that was about to get lynched anyway, he sticks with it. I'm so sure Jenna is scum.
And LW too. All of Jenna recent post just reek of scum trying to justify a vote on the lead wagon and LWs vote is just the same.
so none of Jenna's post have partically come off as townie? not even one? I feel like she is the more optimal mislynch for scum, nothing screams obvious scum, my mistakes come off as scummier, and I obviously can really justify much of my dissonance from this game at this point... a lot of these end of the day posts have just been, "This train is bad, but this other train is better" with no flavor behind the posts... there are 7 people on this train, which means many of us must be town...
I tried to talk to him about iso before AZ brought him to the forefront and megs just said "yeah that is weird" basically but no vote or further delving there.
Feel like he knows iso at least as well as me? Possibly as well as AZ and he should really be at least trying to figure him out rn
U agreeing with me or Dbs post lol?
iso/whisper/grape/megs ?
It kinda... makes perfect sense
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then again... it could be saying YOU are scum for having so many townreads and only 3 players for your lynch pool~
Be grateful, always."
Could be Megs being lazy as **** though.
I think I'm slowly being convinced the more I think about this.
Wtf megs
Sidebar: The current wagon on him is good, but I'm not willing to join yet, want to see him reply since he hasn't since this started.
I haven't had inventive reads but I was the first to pressure DBS for buddying up to last.
I haven't had inventive reads but I pressured LnGrrrR from his first post.
I haven't bounced around and spouted theories but I back tracked on my Wisp never gets lynched before DBS to believing he's obvious scum.
And enough defense. No one but DV was weirded out by Wisp attempting to follow DBS' vote again (after retracting his town read on her and saying he'd be slightly okay with her lynch) but failed because he was already voting Osie. Yes I've been banging the he's a sloppy player and don't scum read him for that drum, but this is beyond sloppy. This is a repeated pattern of opportunistic vote hopping and not having a stance beyond sheeping whatever DBS is saying.
Iso (6): tomsloger, osieorb18, Killjoy, dawningbluesky, Azrael, Kabazame
Jenna Tolaria (4): Iso, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, D_V, Axelrod
dawningbluesky (1): Shinichi
Lastwhisper (3): Phoenix-Fire, Grapefruit21, LnGrrrR
osieorb18 (1): Lastwhisper
Grapefruit21 (1): Jenna Tolaria
Not Voting (1): Megiddo
With 17 alive, it’s 9 to lynch. The deadline is Tuesday, November 7th at 11.59 pm EST.
don't see the desire to help town at all here~
Be grateful, always."
@Tom you really think that grape would buss me that hard? Like I mean I've been playing terribly but he still could've easily pushed someone else. Again if me and grape are linked it's cause we are town/town or wolf/town, and he would be the wolf
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Thank you for your undertanding.
@Az Notice it and comment on it, but not push him or do anything with it?
@Wisp none of what you said is relevant to anything to do with my push on you.
Noticed, cringed, and then figured it might be unintentional. It's pretty bad as a scum strategy.
I think Dawn is town now. I'm interacting with her so much because she has such a strong read on me that seems to not be based on reality. I'm attempting to correct that.
With LnGrrrR his claim is a townie role and completely explains his mechanical focus. Either it's a brilliant fake claim or he's town.
I like the Iso wagon but want to here from him before putting it to L-2. He has been a wet noodle as tom put it, but I've seen him do that as town, but not to this degree. Just can't tell if it feels like this degree because of the crazy high posting volume or if it's because he's scum. My gut still says the former but there are some good points on him beyond the activity.
With Jenna she's entirely a shrug lynch. I don't see malice, but I also don't see anything.
@Grapefruit
I'm not the only one who's for your lynch, Jenna (who I'm not sure about..) and Azrael are all for your lynch as well.
and @Last
no offense here but.. Grape tends to bus. if LnG isn't scum, he probably bussed you
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Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
I haven't seen you state a compelling reason to vote me other than my previous statement that I wasn't going to let Wisp get lynched before DBS. And I've since explained my change in tune which you haven't commented on. Impossible to tell if it's you not being caught up, or not finding the retraction valid, or actual scummy malice.
I'm not yet sure if I believe in this exact team, but some selection of 3 of these people could be part of the scumteam.
sure looks like you're not counting on living anytime soon. disappointment~ at any rate I wanted to keep you alive to figure out or shoot lol
Be grateful, always."
I've seen those aggression signs from Iso early on, when I ISOd him, but it has sizzled down as of late. and there's some specific tells in this game that is from scum!Iso, like the emphasis on individualism...or encouraging/insisting others to voice their own opinions, rather than firing away his own reads. Last has had too much focus for this entire phase that I don't think scum would have. if we're going to switch over to someone else, I'd prefer to lynch Grapefruit. Jenna could be weird town or easy scum, and that doesn't sound like our ideal option for the phase.
Be grateful, always."
almost forgot to say..
I saw your scum meta in the ?? fantasy game and you're more composed/friendly as scum, not as emotional/objective as you are in this game. I'm fine with giving you the townlean. you might be a player who's easy to read, that's why your wagon dismantled so easily.
Be grateful, always."
vote: Iso L2 (means two votes away from being lynched for those who dont know)
I just cant get over her taking back her role claim... hopefully he starts joining back into the game once the weekend is over...
Ill catch up in the morning
Phase change is tomorrow if i recall so hopefully a lynch will happen by end of today.