Agree with DBs that if we are doing a fire drill of any kind, grape is the optimal target for that.
The vig claim interaction is worth taking a harder look at.
I don't want to lynch Iso without hearing his attempted defense first, but we are running short on time. *frowns*
Let's start the fire drill now. Jenna and iso have enough heat on them now that they won't skate by unnoticed the rest of the game, but we have insufficient time to suck responses out of them.and I think support for grape has grown to the point we can make that stick. And I absolutely hated his last post.
We also don't want to risk a situation where iso comes in late and splits enough votes off hos wagon that we are staring down a no lynch. Grapefruit is the safest option given that iso's lurked, and its safer to initiate the switch while we have 48 hours to work with.
Agree with DBs that if we are doing a fire drill of any kind, grape is the optimal target for that.
The vig claim interaction is worth taking a harder look at.
I don't want to lynch Iso without hearing his attempted defense first, but we are running short on time. *frowns*
Let's start the fire drill now. Jenna and iso have enough heat on them now that they won't skate by unnoticed the rest of the game, but we have insufficient time to suck responses out of them.and I think support for grape has grown to the point we can make that stick. And I absolutely hated his last post.
We also don't want to risk a situation where iso comes in late and splits enough votes off hos wagon that we are staring down a no lynch. Grapefruit is the safest option given that iso's lurked, and its safer to initiate the switch while we have 48 hours to work with.
vote grapefruit.
agreed but we still need to keep Iso's votes high enough so that he remembers to talk, but I do love me some CFD's lol
Agree with DBs that if we are doing a fire drill of any kind, grape is the optimal target for that.
The vig claim interaction is worth taking a harder look at.
I don't want to lynch Iso without hearing his attempted defense first, but we are running short on time. *frowns*
Let's start the fire drill now. Jenna and iso have enough heat on them now that they won't skate by unnoticed the rest of the game, but we have insufficient time to suck responses out of them.and I think support for grape has grown to the point we can make that stick. And I absolutely hated his last post.
Az, you around?
How much is your scumread on Grapefruit based on your other scumreads?
Agree with DBs that if we are doing a fire drill of any kind, grape is the optimal target for that.
The vig claim interaction is worth taking a harder look at.
I don't want to lynch Iso without hearing his attempted defense first, but we are running short on time. *frowns*
Let's start the fire drill now. Jenna and iso have enough heat on them now that they won't skate by unnoticed the rest of the game, but we have insufficient time to suck responses out of them.and I think support for grape has grown to the point we can make that stick. And I absolutely hated his last post.
Az, you around?
How much is your scumread on Grapefruit based on your other scumreads?
EBWODP: It looks like a solo read. I'm not against it per se, and when I started looking at it with your comments in mind, I did start seeing it. But I'm wondering about #673. Maybe I'm just wining myself, but I'm getting into thinking about that list of "townreads" compared to your list. Just a thought.
I haven't seen you state a compelling reason to vote me other than my previous statement that I wasn't going to let Wisp get lynched before DBS. And I've since explained my change in tune which you haven't commented on. Impossible to tell if it's you not being caught up, or not finding the retraction valid, or actual scummy malice.
It's rather rude of you to expect that I get your approval before voting you. I am not caught up yet, and as I try to manage past and present, I get glimpses of replies, a hundred threads I expect to see followed. It will be nice for the timelines to converge some day.
I don't expect you to get my approval, but with ~24 hours to the deadline I'd like to not have people voting me for things that I've explained and no one has had problems with. Given the limited time left I'd rather you look through my ISO than continuing to catch up normally.
This is a bad lynch. I hate how this train formed. Scum ISO doesn't butcher a CC and the retract it. If scum ISO were to attempt a CC ploy against a claimed vig that was about to get lynched anyway, he sticks with it. I'm so sure Jenna is scum.
And LW too. All of Jenna recent post just reek of scum trying to justify a vote on the lead wagon and LWs vote is just the same.
I think that's what Jenna's doing but I'm not sure, but I agree that is exactly what Wisp is doing. He's wagon hopping without any seeming purpose. And the only town reads on him are DBS' one that I can't follow and Az's "his tone when pressured felt incredibly natural, his posts feel like they lack a filter." My counter agrument is this is the guy who forgot Iso retracted his CC, can't keep his read on DBS straight, and has a track record for carefree, filter-less posting as either alignment. He's just scum.
I guess this will be my first iso of the game, since you know I actually want to survive today w/o the need to state my role.
Starts off claiming 2 scum… I guess maybe that did irk me a little not gunna lie…
In other news, I'd like to propose that no one is allowed to betray except by advance agreement/clearance by the town. Partly because if anyone betrays me, I'm probably insta-dead. Which seems like a thing where if someone would try to do that to me, they shouldn't have an excuse, and I'm likely not the only one. Thoughts?
Also, be sure to volunteer enough role info while discussing the above that the scum can figure out sensitive role info and identify vulnerable targets and town power roles, kthxbye.
Tbh Im not really sure what to think of his first relevant? Post…
1. How insta dead are you? If it’s a maybe, then will you not die if betrayed?
2. if you were really afraid of dying from betray, then why not betray urself?
3. Ive already told you I’m betraying so… and also maybe there’s something you’re not telling us? Not that I want to know anymore, but this just feels off.
4. Terrible sarcasm
You know why I'm voting you?? Why? *cocks eyebrow*
[iBecause you probably noticed how scummy my last statement sounded and it gave the impression that I would betray, which you are right, I will betray and I have my reasons. Joe made a joke, didn’t vote me, then Tom voted me, and then I guess he felt stronger, maybe not wanted to be the first vote of the train? Either way I didn’t like his vote, but I mean I was already breaking ur rules so I know why u voted me, very simplistic, unless ur gunna tell me that your vote was also a joke, then I’ll promptly go hang myself because of these bad jokes. [i]
@JoeTerry also,
You're OMGUS definitely makes me feel better about my vote on you, but let me explain this to everyone who is voting me.
In #51, Last Whisper's Response to Azrael's pressure/vote (which clearly LW couldn't tell if Azrael was serious or not):It starts off over defensive, and arrogant, but even within the same posts it's like LW realizes it and then tries to right the ship by adding in a sarcastic throw in the towel comment in the end. This one post just ran the whole gambit of scum emotions. It's a dead serious vote.
Lol honestly this analysis was spot on, but not for the reasons you think :). Send me a link to these gambits of scum emotions thanks? I need to watch my tone for next time, since these are 100% scum tells in your book.
Then there was those string of posts where Azreal just agreed with everything Joe said, it was kindve an ackward attempt to pocket him, even if he says/or had said it wasn’t.
This iso was on Azreal but what is this from D.V:
Well that's super problematic.
I'll assume the mod put in things that punish betrayals as well though so for scum going Betray every time won't work the best.
??? LOL THAT’S THE PRISONERS DILEMMA RIGHT THERE DUDE, THERE IS NO REASON TO NOT BETRAY, at least not yet imo…
So killjoy wasn’t scum, then he was scum? And then ur first post was apparently a cheap trick based on meta? So you can fill someone’s whole meta into just a few posts? Then this “Psst, that's my excuse for failing to locate scum this game, because I'm actually scum, but still have to uphold my rep as town. Just fyi.).”
You are all over the place… and very sarcastic, so yes wish washy as I said.
“Anyway, do you trust me? And if so, can I betray you tonight? It's important that we get my ability active ASAP.” @Iso why would you say that? You trying to bait mafia, or are you mafia… scum senses tingling
So tbh a part from his read list, on a scale of 1 – 10 hes presence in this game is some where between sarcastic jester and semi-decent comedian. So 3/10.
But you know I still don’t want to vote you yet, over Grr or Iso, or even kill joy. In all honesty Ive been so focused on Calc homework that I don’t even recall where my vote was… so vote: Iso and Ill find stuff on him/her later…
Osie is still just sitting there doing nutin at all.
Just asking people to make cases for him.
Lets lynch and move on.
unless you see her giant wall as a giant bundle of nothingness then I dont see how you can say shes doing nothing, regardless i didnt like her claim and still dont, actually there is some sense to saying shes doing nothing, because I dont believe much of her posts accomplish anything specific. Like what was the point of isoing almost everyone... seems like a bit much?
@Iso vote: Iso L2 (means two votes away from being lynched for those who dont know)
I just cant get over her taking back her role claim... hopefully he starts joining back into the game once the weekend is over...
First is voting Iso admitting he has nothing on him. Giving no justification for it. And never really follows up on it from admitedly a skim through the ISO fact check that, I don't have time right now, you should read his ISO anyway, it's very scummy. His only real follow up on Iso is about the claim and that hasn't happened at the time of this vote.
Then we have a vote on Osie for too much effort? And not pushing anything? Which isn't really a fair representation of Osie's conclusions to the giant post, but his macro point is fair. Osie has definitely not been hounding scum reads.
Then revotes Osie while shading the Jenna wagon. His connections to Jenna are a bit weird at a skim and I don't know what to make of them. In this post he seemingly has her as his third highest town read. And me as his 5th highest one. Also has Az at scummy which doesn't track with anything he's said in the past 1000 or so posts. This reads list is just bizarro when contrasted with his behavior.
Quote from Wisp »
Will not lynch today:
Kabazame
Tomsloger
Jenna Tolaria
Megiddo
Grapefruit21
Phoenix-Fire
Axelrod
Neutral:
DV (idk how I feel about his anger)
Dawningbluesky (???)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (his tunnel disgusts me)
Will lynch:
osieorb18
Azrael
Killjoy
LnGrrrR
Iso
Shinichi
Anyway his last and most recent vote is on Iso and is entirely based on the retracted CC. Which is an absolutely bizarre thing to scum read Iso for. It's the biggest argument for town Iso this game.
TLDR: his votes are as a rule weakly and ambiguously justified and after post 750 always on a hot wagon.
Az: Can you do for me with Osie what you did for DV with me? Show me how he's town. I'm just not seeing it. At all.
Re: CFD Ehhhhhhh. I I'll read up more tomorrow before deciding on whether I wanna switch to Grape or not. (We could do Osie. Osie is a good CFD target!)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ftr, I'm not sure how I'm in the position of defending jenna. I'm, like, barely townreading her.
But she's not scum with iso, or osi, or... idk a bunch of people
Like, I get why she's scummy. But she doesn't look like part of a team if that makes sense
Also Wisp had a lot fewer votes than I remembered him placing. I really thought his vote had bounced around a lot more.
no I never bounce my vote around, I'm very stingy with my votes, and I barely like starting trains because my reasons are usually weak...
and Jenna brought up a good point about Iso's claim, like I understand thinking your vigi, but he clearly stated "kill", which is weird. Honestly the more I think about this the more I cant understand the reason for doing this... but it could be some sort of reverse psychology lol??
Honestly Grape, the length of someones post should be nai when left by itself, but Osie's walls have almost no substance, everything is nai, and instead of focusing on a few people, he focuses on everyone. and the last wall he seemed to get conclusive evidence, so he just used that as an excuse to place a vote on me. and Yes I've read 90% of Osie's walls, so dont say I ignored them...
If I am shading the Jenna train, then Joe is shading the Iso train...
I don't understand this argument when Jenna has said even less than Iso.
But ok then.
If Jenna is town then what?
I know I talked about how pre lynch assumptions are bad but your argument seems to be "Jenna is clearly been acting more scummy with no previous background to justify it so let us lynch her instead"
I don't understand this argument when Jenna has said even less than Iso.
But ok then.
If Jenna is town then what?
I know I talked about how pre lynch assumptions are bad but your argument seems to be "Jenna is clearly been acting more scummy with no previous background to justify it so let us lynch her instead"
So I'm consensus scum now because I don't have inventive reads and am just going with the flow? I was the first to point out Iso's buddying to Az and Axelrod.
Sidebar: The current wagon on him is good, but I'm not willing to join yet, want to see him reply since he hasn't since this started.
I haven't had inventive reads but I was the first to pressure DBS for buddying up to last.
I haven't had inventive reads but I pressured LnGrrrR from his first post.
I haven't bounced around and spouted theories but I back tracked on my Wisp never gets lynched before DBS to believing he's obvious scum.
And enough defense. No one but DV was weirded out by Wisp attempting to follow DBS' vote again (after retracting his town read on her and saying he'd be slightly okay with her lynch) but failed because he was already voting Osie. Yes I've been banging the he's a sloppy player and don't scum read him for that drum, but this is beyond sloppy. This is a repeated pattern of opportunistic vote hopping and not having a stance beyond sheeping whatever DBS is saying.
Seems more like your the consensus because your very lacking this game.
-pressureing a person first can come from both alignments
-The LNG one I agree is a town mindset because if u hadnt said something first I would have.
I am extremely weirded out by my brothers whiteknight of DBS because he did it without having any real reason too and he still doesnt have a reason to do it. He even slightly scum reads her at times.
How can anyone not get a good read on the playerbase wen we're at 2k posts?
You say this but have some people at neutral still do you not?
agree, idk where the correlation comes from, 2k posts, but its still day 1, so we have no confirmed information to go off of, so if u had everyone placed, it would only mean your possibly scum. At least thats how I see it...
U agreeing with me or Dbs post lol?
I think he pointed out that saying I had neutral reads means you're just saying I'm town (from his perspective).
then again... it could be saying YOU are scum for having so many townreads and only 3 players for your lynch pool~
Where did i imply your town due to your neutral reads? Only scum have reasons to hide between a neutral read at this point.
How can anyone not get a good read on the playerbase wen we're at 2k posts?
You say this but have some people at neutral still do you not?
the few that are in neutral are the ones who haven't posted enough, like Kaba and Megiddo. scumreading them just for being inactive is rather fake. you have plenty of players in your neutral as well, even more than me.
looking back at your reply to Last, may I ask why you scumread Osie? and why was I at 3rd place of your scumreads, but the one you're most confident of lynching?
Did I state you were 3rd place in that list or are u assuming that based on position alone? Same reason I read you as scum, just the overall way she is looking at the game I cant see that coming from a town mind sight.
Grapefruit could be pocketing LnG then (even Azrael doesn't see the town in him and heck I townread the guy).
from my experience, Grapefruit isn't this reserved as town. he would waffle or develop theories, but stick to solid facts if he's scum. I'm seeing scum, and would gladly have him lynched. but Iso first I guess.
I agree GF is way to reserved, but the different between the last few games he was in is the fact that hes back home and has a job lol. You can only do what your time provides which is why meta reading really doesnt get people far.
As for Iso Im still not seeing what you all are, i read both those 2 links so why are you willing to base his alignment off of the meta of 1 town game and 1 scum game? Another thing your switch to iso seemed more like a sheep than anything.
I'll respond to you as best as I can if you stop being so clingy. thanks.
meta does get people far, it quickens your processing speed on reading players, compared to a blank slate. Burden of Proficiency or expecting players to be this or that is the negative side of it. I don't think we're using the BoP excuse on Iso, but his overall behavior has been lacking from the usual.
my switch on Iso is to get a train going, much like your willingness to switch votes from me if it will lead to a lynch. I scumread Grapefruit and prefer him lynched, but everyone here is going with Iso, and gave me the reasons, and they aren't against my train of thought. my ideal lynch is still Grapefruit.
Meta is flawed lol, its a good start but its flawed if you expect so and so to do this then assume the latter of his alignment when he does not lol. I agree his behavior is weird based on thaht 1 town game and 1 mafia game but that alone wouldnt be enough for me to say yet hes scum in this game.
Ill gladly switch votes to prevent a tie or a no lynch im not that much of a selfess town.
Also Wisp had a lot fewer votes than I remembered him placing. I really thought his vote had bounced around a lot more.
no I never bounce my vote around, I'm very stingy with my votes, and I barely like starting trains because my reasons are usually weak...
and Jenna brought up a good point about Iso's claim, like I understand thinking your vigi, but he clearly stated "kill", which is weird. Honestly the more I think about this the more I cant understand the reason for doing this... but it could be some sort of reverse psychology lol??
Honestly Grape, the length of someones post should be nai when left by itself, but Osie's walls have almost no substance, everything is nai, and instead of focusing on a few people, he focuses on everyone. and the last wall he seemed to get conclusive evidence, so he just used that as an excuse to place a vote on me. and Yes I've read 90% of Osie's walls, so dont say I ignored them...
If I am shading the Jenna train, then Joe is shading the Iso train...
Here's the difference: I don't care if someone says I'm shading the iso train. I am taking a stance and provided reason why I don't like the ISO train. You seem to be self conscious about your unjustified defense of jenna.
I'll repeat, if scum iso fakes claims to counter a town vig claim by DBS, he rolls with it not retracts it.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why are you and shin so focused on me and Dawn lmao... I gotta admit that shins tunnel looks worse, w/e happened to ur grr read? And do you not like any of the trains right now?
Not the iso train, i love my tunnels. My grrr read is there still what ya mean? Only reason I have put so much effort into LNG is because I actually think the role he claimed fits how he was acting the alignment of said role is still unclear though.
@DBS I'm trying to help town but no one is following my leads. You have been alternating between accusing me of tunneling and not pushing my reads. I'm trying. And I want Last to die.
@Az Notice it and comment on it, but not push him or do anything with it?
@Wisp none of what you said is relevant to anything to do with my push on you.
well idk what to say to you then.. keep pushing me lol, just saying Tom thinks we are scum buddies :). Lol
Well I mean your only arguement is would GF really buss me this much so early in the game?
This is a bad lynch. I hate how this train formed. Scum ISO doesn't butcher a CC and the retract it. If scum ISO were to attempt a CC ploy against a claimed vig that was about to get lynched anyway, he sticks with it. I'm so sure Jenna is scum.
Why could that be town and not mafia? Actually wait nvm I get what your saying here, if he was scum he would have just went with it.
@dawn: I was under no obligation or pressure to claim. Calling me scummy because I read my role PM in under 2 seconds on my phone in passing exactly once - when I confirmed to Bur that I received my role PM - until I checked my role PM after I CCed you is...just further proof that you're looking for a reason to OMGUS me for something I'm not even doing.
I believe with confidence that this must be a lie. Who, when faced with someone claiming your role, doesn't give the benefit of the doubt and first double-check before opening the mouth and spilling errors thus forth?
This seems more like a dodge, so you don't have to explain yourself lol.
Here's my deal. If ISO is town, he can be an asset. In the most respectful way of saying I can, I don't think the upside to DBS, LW or Jenna is any where near that of ISO's. Thats is also considering that I haven't seen "Epic ISO" as AZ described since I've been playing here, but Jenna's posts are just husks, with such little content that I can't imagine a world where that helps town, LW has exhibited the 7 deadly scum tells (a term I haven't fully fleshed out yet, but for now consider it being the most basic and classic new scum tells), and it seems pretty clear that DBS is a 3rd Party.
don't think I did or said anything that says I'm TPR though, if anything I'm town.
I've seen those aggression signs from Iso early on, when I ISOd him, but it has sizzled down as of late. and there's some specific tells in this game that is from scum!Iso, like the emphasis on individualism...or encouraging/insisting others to voice their own opinions, rather than firing away his own reads. Last has had too much focus for this entire phase that I don't think scum would have. if we're going to switch over to someone else, I'd prefer to lynch Grapefruit. Jenna could be weird town or easy scum, and that doesn't sound like our ideal option for the phase.
Doesnt matter what you think because the way you comment and reply to things showcases scum or tpr intentions regardless if that was your intention lol.
@Bold so you basically saying LW faked all this pressure?
Here's my deal. If ISO is town, he can be an asset. In the most respectful way of saying I can, I don't think the upside to DBS, LW or Jenna is any where near that of ISO's. Thats is also considering that I haven't seen "Epic ISO" as AZ described since I've been playing here, but Jenna's posts are just husks, with such little content that I can't imagine a world where that helps town, LW has exhibited the 7 deadly scum tells (a term I haven't fully fleshed out yet, but for now consider it being the most basic and classic new scum tells), and it seems pretty clear that DBS is a 3rd Party.
Not gonna keep someone alive just cause you think they could be an asset, if that were the case I wouldnt be voting DBS right now.
Idk how at the time of that read list he still had 3 neutrals who posted quite a high amount.
If that his actual reason for voting ISO then I believe LW is scum for that, because its clear now atleast that the way he handled it was from a town aligned player.
Also Wisp had a lot fewer votes than I remembered him placing. I really thought his vote had bounced around a lot more.
no I never bounce my vote around, I'm very stingy with my votes, and I barely like starting trains because my reasons are usually weak...
and Jenna brought up a good point about Iso's claim, like I understand thinking your vigi, but he clearly stated "kill", which is weird. Honestly the more I think about this the more I cant understand the reason for doing this... but it could be some sort of reverse psychology lol??
Honestly Grape, the length of someones post should be nai when left by itself, but Osie's walls have almost no substance, everything is nai, and instead of focusing on a few people, he focuses on everyone. and the last wall he seemed to get conclusive evidence, so he just used that as an excuse to place a vote on me. and Yes I've read 90% of Osie's walls, so dont say I ignored them...
If I am shading the Jenna train, then Joe is shading the Iso train...
If you think about it whats so weird?
If you think your the vig that would also imply having the ability to kill would it now?
No long posts can be mafia faking effort its something ive seen in a few games. Like that wall seemed more like something scum would post.
Idk how at the time of that read list he still had 3 neutrals who posted quite a high amount.
If that his actual reason for voting ISO then I believe LW is scum for that, because its clear now atleast that the way he handled it was from a town aligned player.
so let me get this straight, you dont like my shallow reasons for voting Iso? If its so obvious he is town, then why is his train at l2? ohh thats why these 7 people must be dumb, or all scum? Why am I the only one getting seemingly attacked for my vote on this train...
Also Wisp had a lot fewer votes than I remembered him placing. I really thought his vote had bounced around a lot more.
no I never bounce my vote around, I'm very stingy with my votes, and I barely like starting trains because my reasons are usually weak...
and Jenna brought up a good point about Iso's claim, like I understand thinking your vigi, but he clearly stated "kill", which is weird. Honestly the more I think about this the more I cant understand the reason for doing this... but it could be some sort of reverse psychology lol??
Honestly Grape, the length of someones post should be nai when left by itself, but Osie's walls have almost no substance, everything is nai, and instead of focusing on a few people, he focuses on everyone. and the last wall he seemed to get conclusive evidence, so he just used that as an excuse to place a vote on me. and Yes I've read 90% of Osie's walls, so dont say I ignored them...
If I am shading the Jenna train, then Joe is shading the Iso train...
If you think about it whats so weird?
If you think your the vig that would also imply having the ability to kill would it now?
No long posts can be mafia faking effort its something ive seen in a few games. Like that wall seemed more like something scum would post.
1. I understand not reading her role, but she clearly stated "kill". So he wasnt as confused as he states...
2. Because her thought process comes from town, but I still dont think shes town... lol if that makes sense
3. Thats what I am saying lol, it takes more effort to be good scum, and its more about the ratio of length vs content... which makes me scum read him
And LW too. All of Jenna recent post just reek of scum trying to justify a vote on the lead wagon and LWs vote is just the same.
How can you say this when I'm not voting Iso? Did you miss that I have said that I wouldn't make a decision on Iso before past and present converge? My vote is on Grapefruit and that is where it is staying.
Idk how at the time of that read list he still had 3 neutrals who posted quite a high amount.
If that his actual reason for voting ISO then I believe LW is scum for that, because its clear now atleast that the way he handled it was from a town aligned player.
so let me get this straight, you dont like my shallow reasons for voting Iso? If its so obvious he is town, then why is his train at l2? ohh thats why these 7 people must be dumb, or all scum? Why am I the only one getting seemingly attacked for my vote on this train...
Not saying hes obvious town, people have their reasons. Your reason aren't the same as theirs maybe the same as past future girl XD.
Megs could be his buddy.
I tried to talk to him about iso before AZ brought him to the forefront and megs just said "yeah that is weird" basically but no vote or further delving there.
Feel like he knows iso at least as well as me? Possibly as well as AZ and he should really be at least trying to figure him out rn
Could be Megs being lazy as **** though.
These are exactly the two possibilities (1) Megs is scum, and having been absent for so long with basically no one caring, is just riding it out. (2) He's Town but doesn't give a **** about this game. In which case, seriously, please replace yourself?
Can you repeat it, rather than make me go look for it?
Killjoy also seems like he's going kind of dark right here at the deadline. Just sayin'.
Grapefruit is the one person being talked about I have not had any issues with. Perhaps I'm being seduced by his ability to write in coherent sentences, but everything he's said I've either agreed with or didn't find unreasonable. Maybe there's a scum mentality there under the surface, to be found if one digs deep enough for it, but I haven't been motivated to go digging by anything he's posted yet.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Also Wisp had a lot fewer votes than I remembered him placing. I really thought his vote had bounced around a lot more.
no I never bounce my vote around, I'm very stingy with my votes, and I barely like starting trains because my reasons are usually weak...
and Jenna brought up a good point about Iso's claim, like I understand thinking your vigi, but he clearly stated "kill", which is weird. Honestly the more I think about this the more I cant understand the reason for doing this... but it could be some sort of reverse psychology lol??
Honestly Grape, the length of someones post should be nai when left by itself, but Osie's walls have almost no substance, everything is nai, and instead of focusing on a few people, he focuses on everyone. and the last wall he seemed to get conclusive evidence, so he just used that as an excuse to place a vote on me. and Yes I've read 90% of Osie's walls, so dont say I ignored them...
If I am shading the Jenna train, then Joe is shading the Iso train...
If you think about it whats so weird?
If you think your the vig that would also imply having the ability to kill would it now?
No long posts can be mafia faking effort its something ive seen in a few games. Like that wall seemed more like something scum would post.
1. I understand not reading her role, but she clearly stated "kill". So he wasnt as confused as he states...
2. Because her thought process comes from town, but I still dont think shes town... lol if that makes sense
3. Thats what I am saying lol, it takes more effort to be good scum, and its more about the ratio of length vs content... which makes me scum read him
1.Mistook my role as well, if ur scum why would you put the lie on yourself by retracting someonething like that?
2. I guess it kinda makes sense.
3.Well you used the word NAi which is why i questioned it.
I haven't seen you state a compelling reason to vote me other than my previous statement that I wasn't going to let Wisp get lynched before DBS. And I've since explained my change in tune which you haven't commented on. Impossible to tell if it's you not being caught up, or not finding the retraction valid, or actual scummy malice.
It's rather rude of you to expect that I get your approval before voting you. I am not caught up yet, and as I try to manage past and present, I get glimpses of replies, a hundred threads I expect to see followed. It will be nice for the timelines to converge some day.
I don't expect you to get my approval, but with ~24 hours to the deadline I'd like to not have people voting me for things that I've explained and no one has had problems with. Given the limited time left I'd rather you look through my ISO than continuing to catch up normally.
This is a bad lynch. I hate how this train formed. Scum ISO doesn't butcher a CC and the retract it. If scum ISO were to attempt a CC ploy against a claimed vig that was about to get lynched anyway, he sticks with it. I'm so sure Jenna is scum.
And LW too. All of Jenna recent post just reek of scum trying to justify a vote on the lead wagon and LWs vote is just the same.
I think that's what Jenna's doing but I'm not sure, but I agree that is exactly what Wisp is doing. He's wagon hopping without any seeming purpose. And the only town reads on him are DBS' one that I can't follow and Az's "his tone when pressured felt incredibly natural, his posts feel like they lack a filter." My counter agrument is this is the guy who forgot Iso retracted his CC, can't keep his read on DBS straight, and has a track record for carefree, filter-less posting as either alignment. He's just scum.
I don't know how to ISO and I feel it would not help, but your request is fair enough.
@Iso, could you please either claim now or tell us why you won't claim before catching up? We're a day and a half left. Would be nice to not rush a lynch.
And LW too. All of Jenna recent post just reek of scum trying to justify a vote on the lead wagon and LWs vote is just the same.
How can you say this when I'm not voting Iso? Did you miss that I have said that I wouldn't make a decision on Iso before past and present converge? My vote is on Grapefruit and that is where it is staying.
You were shading ISO and trying to create reasons to justify a vote that, until I called you on it was surely going to come. Maybe even the hammer.
so meg and phoenix? when you two gunna place a vote?
When I have a better grasp of who I'd actually like to lynch. Dawning isn't a good lynch because of the claim, and you are reasonably likely to be town if she is, so now I'm not sure where to go.
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I feel like as scum, Iso would probably have been more careful than to make an accidental (or fake) counter claim.
Are you suggesting Iso is only careless when he's good?
And LW too. All of Jenna recent post just reek of scum trying to justify a vote on the lead wagon and LWs vote is just the same.
How can you say this when I'm not voting Iso? Did you miss that I have said that I wouldn't make a decision on Iso before past and present converge? My vote is on Grapefruit and that is where it is staying.
You were shading ISO and trying to create reasons to justify a vote that, until I called you on it was surely going to come. Maybe even the hammer.
You are lying and gaslighting. You have no right to say as a fact what is going on only head. That is abuse. Stop this instant.
To clarify: it's acceptable to say what you think could be going on in my head. We could have a friendly tussle where you try to convince others of such motivation, but do not, DO NOT state my personal thoughts SOMETHING YOU CANNOT KNOW as facts.
Wow. What an opportunistic wagon. "Yo dawg, we heard you don't make Mafia posts on weekends, so we ran you up." Any townies voting me should feel bad. I'm lurking? I'm doing nothing? I post 5 days a week with solid content. That's more than can be said for half of the players in this game. Get real.
I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
I didn't claim sooner because I didn't know I was at L-2 because I don't read the game on weekends. For ****'s sake.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability. Hence why I thought I was the Vig. The counterclaim SNAFU was not nearly grounds enough to be voting me and I'm playing the game the way I enjoy - I'm not interested in going back to my old playstyle short of a lifechanging event that enables me to do so.
Get over it.
Now, stop wasting time, and lynch scum. We have (less than?) one day before the deadline expires.
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@osi: I don't see any questions to me in either of those posts.
On that note, I don't think scumosi goes against the grain, here. I'll call him town. And then osi sheeps the obvscum. God dammit, osi.
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@LnGrR: Jenna is scum and we have a cavalcade of interaction information from her flip. And of course I'd be excited that a Jenna wagon was forming - I was the first person to call for her head. I didn't say Jenna was a mislynch - I said that I predicted a mislynch for Day 1.
Regarding your questions on LW, I've already answered that with regards to how game momentum occurs. tom and Az are doing a wonderful job of pretending that doesn't exist after I've explained time and again how it does, and are trying to paint me as scum for such. Please try to pay attention if you're going to pretend to suddenly care about my alignment. Obviously I'm interested in lynching scum - what kind of stupid question is that?
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I don't like that Jenna is re-continuing the rolefishing train. And now I've claimed.
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tom/Az/Jenna/LW? I haven't seen Az get this frenzied since Crosstown 3, when scumAz rallied the town to mislynch obvtown in the 11th hour. Amusingly, he and tom both jumped into action against me the second the weekend began, aka when I said I wouldn't be posting - aka when I wouldn't be here to defend myself. How convenient.
Not to mention tom and Az are doing their song and dance, trying to distract from the Jenna lynch, and trying to say "oh well LW is scum but let's table that for now" and hurriedly sweep him off into a corner where nobody can see.
Neither tom nor Az are absolute garbage enough as town to believe the cases they're pushing against me. If Az had actually ISO'd me as he said, then he would know that I am not posting on weekends and is intentionally ignoring that fact. And I doubt both tom AND Az would have missed that fact, especially since tom ALSO went through my posts.
Az says I've been a nonentity but that's because I haven't been able to post as frequently, meaning I can't take control of the momentum as I am wont to doing. Which...again, he would know if he were reading my posts. And tom would know I've made scum team associations since he's also read my posts, yet he's accusing me of not having done so, despite me pointing them out to him at least twice - and he's STILL denying they exist on THIS VERY PAGE.
Az says I haven't caught the scum. But I have.
Unvote, Vote Azrael
Let's murder us some scum.
If you guys decide to lynch me first, fine - but you'd ******* better sheep me into oblivion once I flip.
Thought exercise for the people voting me:
Who are my scumbuddies, and why?
It's becoming increasingly hard not to stoop to flaming in this game.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Wow. What an opportunistic wagon. "Yo dawg, we heard you don't make Mafia posts on weekends, so we ran you up." Any townies voting me should feel bad. I'm lurking? I'm doing nothing? I post 5 days a week with solid content. That's more than can be said for half of the players in this game. Get real.
I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work
Well, I was looking to hear if you were going to claim some kind of killing ability, to at least make your "mistake" somewhat more plausible, and you did that. So that's something.
I'm wondering if you think the presence of your role in the game makes the existence of what DBS claimed more/less/neutral for her being Town.
tom/Az/Jenna/LW? I haven't seen Az get this frenzied since Crosstown 3, when scumAz rallied the town to mislynch obvtown in the 11th hour. Amusingly, he and tom both jumped into action against me the second the weekend began, aka when I said I wouldn't be posting - aka when I wouldn't be here to defend myself. How convenient.
On the other hand, this isn't the 11th hour, is it? This is D1. Does Az, as scum, blow all his credibility D1 by aggressively pushing a mislynch? (or do you mean 11th hour as in, the end of the gameday, like here, and it wasn't the end of the game?)
Not to mention tom and Az are doing their song and dance, trying to distract from the Jenna lynch, and trying to say "oh well LW is scum but let's table that for now" and hurriedly sweep him off into a corner where nobody can see.
Also, Az is hardly trying to distract from the Jenna lynch. So your characterization seems off there.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I think dawn is town, both for my insight into her mindset and her role claim. ParanoidIso has a theory on this that I don't want scum to capitalize on, so I'm not sharing that. It creates reasonable doubt of dawn's claim, but again, I think she's town.
The 11th hour [of Day 1]. And yes, he totally would, because he thinks he can get away with it.
Az is playing with game momentum and tackling Jenna at times when he knows a wagon won't take, while accusing me of being scum because I'm not utilizing game momentum when I'm not in the thread to utilize it. It's not off in the slightest.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Wow. What an opportunistic wagon. "Yo dawg, we heard you don't make Mafia posts on weekends, so we ran you up." Any townies voting me should feel bad. I'm lurking? I'm doing nothing? I post 5 days a week with solid content. That's more than can be said for half of the players in this game. Get real.
I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
It is a delayed version due to the 7 BP element (which, similar to Dawning's ability, isn't going to go off for several nights)...
Although, from MafiaScum Wiki:
Claiming Vengeful Townie is not advised (unless your actual role is Vengeful and Mafia-aligned). The effect of giving its faction a bonus kill is useless unless you yourself are worth lynching - otherwise it's obviously more profitable to lynch the player you would Vengefully kill while leaving you alive. Thus, Vengeful claims under duress are seen as grounds for a policy lynch.
Also, some of Iso's post could just be taken as fearmongering.
Well, Iso and Az both theoretically want Jenna and LW lynches... And I wouldn't be wholly opposed to either... I'm a little concerned, given the similarity of their suggested scumteams, that they are both scum and 1-2 people on both of the suggested teams are town.
The idea of an Iso + Az + Tom + ??? team makes me want to go change my pants.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I believe that claim and it makes sense, if he had claimed something that didnt have the ability to claim that would have just been a huge scum slip lol.
@iso I want to hear that theory, but i dislike how your keeping it to yourself.
So you think AZ and Jenna are scum for knowing you don't post on the weekend and not bringing it up.
Honestly you didn't post the weekend before either so idk how this whole situation even florish this much. This is what happens when people rely on meta to read a player.
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The vig claim interaction is worth taking a harder look at.
I don't want to lynch Iso without hearing his attempted defense first, but we are running short on time. *frowns*
Let's start the fire drill now. Jenna and iso have enough heat on them now that they won't skate by unnoticed the rest of the game, but we have insufficient time to suck responses out of them.and I think support for grape has grown to the point we can make that stick. And I absolutely hated his last post.
We also don't want to risk a situation where iso comes in late and splits enough votes off hos wagon that we are staring down a no lynch. Grapefruit is the safest option given that iso's lurked, and its safer to initiate the switch while we have 48 hours to work with.
vote grapefruit.
Az, you around?
How much is your scumread on Grapefruit based on your other scumreads?
EBWODP: It looks like a solo read. I'm not against it per se, and when I started looking at it with your comments in mind, I did start seeing it. But I'm wondering about #673. Maybe I'm just wining myself, but I'm getting into thinking about that list of "townreads" compared to your list. Just a thought.
I don't expect you to get my approval, but with ~24 hours to the deadline I'd like to not have people voting me for things that I've explained and no one has had problems with. Given the limited time left I'd rather you look through my ISO than continuing to catch up normally.
I think that's what Jenna's doing but I'm not sure, but I agree that is exactly what Wisp is doing. He's wagon hopping without any seeming purpose. And the only town reads on him are DBS' one that I can't follow and Az's "his tone when pressured felt incredibly natural, his posts feel like they lack a filter." My counter agrument is this is the guy who forgot Iso retracted his CC, can't keep his read on DBS straight, and has a track record for carefree, filter-less posting as either alignment. He's just scum.
First is voting Iso admitting he has nothing on him. Giving no justification for it. And never really follows up on it from admitedly a skim through the ISO fact check that, I don't have time right now, you should read his ISO anyway, it's very scummy. His only real follow up on Iso is about the claim and that hasn't happened at the time of this vote.
Then we have a vote on Osie for too much effort? And not pushing anything? Which isn't really a fair representation of Osie's conclusions to the giant post, but his macro point is fair. Osie has definitely not been hounding scum reads.
Then revotes Osie while shading the Jenna wagon. His connections to Jenna are a bit weird at a skim and I don't know what to make of them. In this post he seemingly has her as his third highest town read. And me as his 5th highest one. Also has Az at scummy which doesn't track with anything he's said in the past 1000 or so posts. This reads list is just bizarro when contrasted with his behavior.
TLDR: his votes are as a rule weakly and ambiguously justified and after post 750 always on a hot wagon.
Re: CFD Ehhhhhhh. I I'll read up more tomorrow before deciding on whether I wanna switch to Grape or not. (We could do Osie. Osie is a good CFD target!)
I just don't think he's in this game.
But she's not scum with iso, or osi, or... idk a bunch of people
Like, I get why she's scummy. But she doesn't look like part of a team if that makes sense
and Jenna brought up a good point about Iso's claim, like I understand thinking your vigi, but he clearly stated "kill", which is weird. Honestly the more I think about this the more I cant understand the reason for doing this... but it could be some sort of reverse psychology lol??
Honestly Grape, the length of someones post should be nai when left by itself, but Osie's walls have almost no substance, everything is nai, and instead of focusing on a few people, he focuses on everyone. and the last wall he seemed to get conclusive evidence, so he just used that as an excuse to place a vote on me. and Yes I've read 90% of Osie's walls, so dont say I ignored them...
If I am shading the Jenna train, then Joe is shading the Iso train...
If Jenna is town then what?
I know I talked about how pre lynch assumptions are bad but your argument seems to be "Jenna is clearly been acting more scummy with no previous background to justify it so let us lynch her instead"
@terry this applies to you as well.
Seems more like your the consensus because your very lacking this game.
-pressureing a person first can come from both alignments
-The LNG one I agree is a town mindset because if u hadnt said something first I would have.
I am extremely weirded out by my brothers whiteknight of DBS because he did it without having any real reason too and he still doesnt have a reason to do it. He even slightly scum reads her at times.
Where did i imply your town due to your neutral reads? Only scum have reasons to hide between a neutral read at this point.
Did I state you were 3rd place in that list or are u assuming that based on position alone? Same reason I read you as scum, just the overall way she is looking at the game I cant see that coming from a town mind sight.
Meta is flawed lol, its a good start but its flawed if you expect so and so to do this then assume the latter of his alignment when he does not lol. I agree his behavior is weird based on thaht 1 town game and 1 mafia game but that alone wouldnt be enough for me to say yet hes scum in this game.
Ill gladly switch votes to prevent a tie or a no lynch im not that much of a selfess town.
I'll repeat, if scum iso fakes claims to counter a town vig claim by DBS, he rolls with it not retracts it.
Here I am, catching up from the weekend.
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Not the iso train, i love my tunnels. My grrr read is there still what ya mean? Only reason I have put so much effort into LNG is because I actually think the role he claimed fits how he was acting the alignment of said role is still unclear though.
Well I mean your only arguement is would GF really buss me this much so early in the game?
Why could that be town and not mafia? Actually wait nvm I get what your saying here, if he was scum he would have just went with it.
This seems more like a dodge, so you don't have to explain yourself lol.
Doesnt matter what you think because the way you comment and reply to things showcases scum or tpr intentions regardless if that was your intention lol.
@Bold so you basically saying LW faked all this pressure?
Not gonna keep someone alive just cause you think they could be an asset, if that were the case I wouldnt be voting DBS right now.
Yep I can see it.
btw I posted this at 12am 11/6 so i was refering to november 7th when i said tomorrow
Idk how at the time of that read list he still had 3 neutrals who posted quite a high amount.
If that his actual reason for voting ISO then I believe LW is scum for that, because its clear now atleast that the way he handled it was from a town aligned player.
1 what if is different thant 20
gl with that
If you think about it whats so weird?
If you think your the vig that would also imply having the ability to kill would it now?
No long posts can be mafia faking effort its something ive seen in a few games. Like that wall seemed more like something scum would post.
1. I understand not reading her role, but she clearly stated "kill". So he wasnt as confused as he states...
2. Because her thought process comes from town, but I still dont think shes town... lol if that makes sense
3. Thats what I am saying lol, it takes more effort to be good scum, and its more about the ratio of length vs content... which makes me scum read him
Not saying hes obvious town, people have their reasons. Your reason aren't the same as theirs maybe the same as past future girl XD.
These are exactly the two possibilities (1) Megs is scum, and having been absent for so long with basically no one caring, is just riding it out. (2) He's Town but doesn't give a **** about this game. In which case, seriously, please replace yourself?
Can you repeat it, rather than make me go look for it?
Killjoy also seems like he's going kind of dark right here at the deadline. Just sayin'.
Grapefruit is the one person being talked about I have not had any issues with. Perhaps I'm being seduced by his ability to write in coherent sentences, but everything he's said I've either agreed with or didn't find unreasonable. Maybe there's a scum mentality there under the surface, to be found if one digs deep enough for it, but I haven't been motivated to go digging by anything he's posted yet.
1.Mistook my role as well, if ur scum why would you put the lie on yourself by retracting someonething like that?
2. I guess it kinda makes sense.
3.Well you used the word NAi which is why i questioned it.
Vote: No lynch
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Burn with FIRE!
I'm Clover, Town Retaliator.
My ability is passive. If I die, I can kill a player of my choosing. I start with 3 BP and need to have 7 for this ability to work.
I didn't claim sooner because I didn't know I was at L-2 because I don't read the game on weekends. For ****'s sake.
When I read my role PM, as mentioned, I quickly scanned it on my phone screen - I saw the number of BP I needed to use my ability, and I saw that I had a killing ability. Hence why I thought I was the Vig. The counterclaim SNAFU was not nearly grounds enough to be voting me and I'm playing the game the way I enjoy - I'm not interested in going back to my old playstyle short of a lifechanging event that enables me to do so.
Get over it.
Now, stop wasting time, and lynch scum. We have (less than?) one day before the deadline expires.
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@osi: I don't see any questions to me in either of those posts.
On that note, I don't think scumosi goes against the grain, here. I'll call him town.And then osi sheeps the obvscum. God dammit, osi.-
@LnGrR: Jenna is scum and we have a cavalcade of interaction information from her flip. And of course I'd be excited that a Jenna wagon was forming - I was the first person to call for her head. I didn't say Jenna was a mislynch - I said that I predicted a mislynch for Day 1.
Regarding your questions on LW, I've already answered that with regards to how game momentum occurs. tom and Az are doing a wonderful job of pretending that doesn't exist after I've explained time and again how it does, and are trying to paint me as scum for such. Please try to pay attention if you're going to pretend to suddenly care about my alignment. Obviously I'm interested in lynching scum - what kind of stupid question is that?
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I don't like that Jenna is re-continuing the rolefishing train.And now I've claimed.-
tom/Az/Jenna/LW? I haven't seen Az get this frenzied since Crosstown 3, when scumAz rallied the town to mislynch obvtown in the 11th hour. Amusingly, he and tom both jumped into action against me the second the weekend began, aka when I said I wouldn't be posting - aka when I wouldn't be here to defend myself. How convenient.
Not to mention tom and Az are doing their song and dance, trying to distract from the Jenna lynch, and trying to say "oh well LW is scum but let's table that for now" and hurriedly sweep him off into a corner where nobody can see.
Neither tom nor Az are absolute garbage enough as town to believe the cases they're pushing against me. If Az had actually ISO'd me as he said, then he would know that I am not posting on weekends and is intentionally ignoring that fact. And I doubt both tom AND Az would have missed that fact, especially since tom ALSO went through my posts.
Az says I've been a nonentity but that's because I haven't been able to post as frequently, meaning I can't take control of the momentum as I am wont to doing. Which...again, he would know if he were reading my posts. And tom would know I've made scum team associations since he's also read my posts, yet he's accusing me of not having done so, despite me pointing them out to him at least twice - and he's STILL denying they exist on THIS VERY PAGE.
Az says I haven't caught the scum. But I have.
Unvote, Vote Azrael
Let's murder us some scum.
If you guys decide to lynch me first, fine - but you'd ******* better sheep me into oblivion once I flip.
Thought exercise for the people voting me:
Who are my scumbuddies, and why?
It's becoming increasingly hard not to stoop to flaming in this game.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Well, I was looking to hear if you were going to claim some kind of killing ability, to at least make your "mistake" somewhat more plausible, and you did that. So that's something.
I'm wondering if you think the presence of your role in the game makes the existence of what DBS claimed more/less/neutral for her being Town.
On the other hand, this isn't the 11th hour, is it? This is D1. Does Az, as scum, blow all his credibility D1 by aggressively pushing a mislynch? (or do you mean 11th hour as in, the end of the gameday, like here, and it wasn't the end of the game?)
Also, Az is hardly trying to distract from the Jenna lynch. So your characterization seems off there.
The 11th hour [of Day 1]. And yes, he totally would, because he thinks he can get away with it.
Az is playing with game momentum and tackling Jenna at times when he knows a wagon won't take, while accusing me of being scum because I'm not utilizing game momentum when I'm not in the thread to utilize it. It's not off in the slightest.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It is a delayed version due to the 7 BP element (which, similar to Dawning's ability, isn't going to go off for several nights)...
Although, from MafiaScum Wiki:
Also, some of Iso's post could just be taken as fearmongering.
Well, Iso and Az both theoretically want Jenna and LW lynches... And I wouldn't be wholly opposed to either... I'm a little concerned, given the similarity of their suggested scumteams, that they are both scum and 1-2 people on both of the suggested teams are town.
The idea of an Iso + Az + Tom + ??? team makes me want to go change my pants.
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@iso I want to hear that theory, but i dislike how your keeping it to yourself.
So you think AZ and Jenna are scum for knowing you don't post on the weekend and not bringing it up.
Honestly you didn't post the weekend before either so idk how this whole situation even florish this much. This is what happens when people rely on meta to read a player.