hmm to make sure we're on equal footing, and not misunderstanding anything, please explain to me your playstyle.
another thing, I've handled frustration of over few days, so I'm sure this pressure is nothing for you. the same goes to LnG. learn to handle the pressure.
I am not being pressured lol im fustrated about your way of playing this game and that u should be off the hook due to your role.
Your posts, idk how others read town intent but I read the opposite.
then try to understand my playstyle, it's part of gamesolving. you're gamethrowing if you don't gamesolve and figure out every angle. I've posted how I play, few pages back. please use the search function and look for it.
I understand the playstyle what I dont understand is why a town aligned player would willingly play like that.
I play how I want, and it should not be the determining factor of my alignment. you're just being childish. for my playstyle, a town-aligned player would willingly play like that. but whatever, agree to disagree.
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nah look at the way osi just, changed his opinion and blamed az for it. thats not defending a buddy. you dont just abandon it at the first sign of pressure like that.
I guess I'll just add this to my list of games in which I was strongly scumread as town once you and D_V stop shading me, stick by your convictions, and vote me.
Sorry, that was childish. You two are free to pursue whoever you want on-wagon or off-wagon.
this feels like AtE
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@DBS There is a norm,as much as you don't want to believe it regardless it exists. You can't expect anyone to be ok with your actions if you go against that norm. DOn't give me that crap I shouldnt be forced to play a certain way because your literally telling people hey im town vigilante if you lynch me your game throwing.
Same goes for your asking questions from the host, sure u don't like doing it but we dont have to accept that outcome. Its not fair for you to expect us to be ok with your off the norm way of thinking. I expect people that are about to be lynched or close to it to full claim its the town move. Not claiming when ur on the verge of being lynched is actually a form of game throwing sicne you like throwing that word out alot.
Also there is a right way to play the game.
-OMGUS is naturally scummy
-Wine is NAI
-Inconsistency is scummy
-Lieing is scummy, Its actually game throwing to lot as town without a good reason.
So yes in a way there is a right way to play the game.
Again i have no freaking clue where this pressure your talking about has come from seeing as how I have barely been voted. I am town if I was scum i dont think I would care this much about your playstyle or maybe I would because its kind of distasteful expecting us to accept your form of playing.
If grape full claims an investigative role and it aligns with the flavor of his character I will believe him without any hesitiation espically if he shows no hestitation when claiming. I rather lynch a vig claim over and invest claim cause we can get real results from that one.
@LNG Thank for that post #2300, its exactly what i keep thinking about, even if disregard her claim I still find her scummy due to playstyle and mechanics talk.
Question if someone Hammers do u assume they're auto scum? Kinda aligns with the whole betrayl thing so i am quite curious.
@DBS What do you mean if I have enough information to place you as scum or town for another day, if the latter was scum i wouldnt let you live lol that makes no sense.
Damn. Jenna might be scum. Her #220X posts are… flailing? I can't even quite tell. #2210…
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WAIT, WHAT?!
This feels like Tom's endgame strategy from OTG III, but as a way to get out from pressure. And that's a concern. If she really is dropping the PR to defend herself, then I'd kinda like to hear it.
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L-3 seems like reasonable pressure. There's probably at least 1 scum on the wagon already, so all scum would have to wagon if she were to be hammered by scum.
Vote: Jenna
and for the record, this is what an opportunistic vote on jenna looks like.
she gets 5 votes, and osi promptly makes a post looking for reasons to jump on.
"oh damn maybe she is scum" "oh man its like [someone else's meta from that one time i saw scum with a self imposed posting restriction"
bollocks
I actually can see where your getting at this this post, espically with the L-3 Statement she/he mentioned.
I said I wasn't moving my vote off DBS, but obviously this vote isn't useful. So even though I'm unvoting DBS, for all intents and purposes that is where I would most want my vote to be.
Unvote
@everyone, do you think LW and GF are aligned or unaligned? Reasons?
Whats the point of your vote if your telling people no matter where your vote is placed it stil means your voting DBS persay?
@Toms ... Lol I did not scum slip... I don't know Iso's role and that post was about something entirely different...
@Grrr Everytime u pretend to do something you comments just end with, "Well I'm still ok with lynching LW", Also if you think Grape as been wholly town, then you are mistaken...
I didn't say Grape was wholly town; he is a townlean for me at the moment. And just because I have liked some of your posts doesn't erase the posts I don't like. It's a weighing mechanism; continue to make good posts and my read on you will change. Make bad posts and it won't. *shrug*
For some this is a hard concept to grasp it seems.
If town betray scum they lose the ability to use their own abilities
How do you know this?
I don't know for sure, but if scum have abilities that require bp use then obviously they would not want to be betrayed. Some people already stated their abilities cost BP, mine on the other hand does not.
That feels like a stretch of logic, but at the same time so obvious. Are you really saying nothing more than "someone without enough BP can't use abilities." Why apply that to mafia only?
Cause I dont think mafia would be given ability costs that require them to to be at 1 like dawns, but at the same time now that I think aboutu I dont believe all the scum would have high costing abilities maybe 1 or 2 of them would.
Also this was before I even figured out my own ability cost (4)
-Apparently tunneling is scummy according to dbs so sure why not, I particularly dont find it scummy.
-Asking people to elaborate in general is not scummy asking people to elaborate and then proceeding to use those reasons as your own is scummy. Or just sheeping them in general
-People that don't vote tend to be scummy, I mean i barely vote and i barely ever change my vote espically on day 1.
@DBS There is a norm,as much as you don't want to believe it regardless it exists. You can't expect anyone to be ok with your actions if you go against that norm. DOn't give me that crap I shouldnt be forced to play a certain way because your literally telling people hey im town vigilante if you lynch me your game throwing.
you're just twisting my words. it's fine to vote for me as long as I'm not the main focus. if I'm the main focus then..are you scumhunting or not? there isn't just 1 mafia in this game of 17 players. you're gamethrowing in the sense you fail to look outside of the box on me. but...you could be tpr jester where the risk of a vig is real to you. few pages ago, you said there was such a thing as a 'scum vig' but elaborated that it was just an extra kill. you're just validating your reasons to scumread me and not figure out my alignment. out of, let's say, town/scum/tpr alignments, why would you decide that I am scum vig?
Also there is a right way to play the game.
-OMGUS is naturally scummy
-Wine is NAI
-Inconsistency is scummy
-Lieing is scummy, Its actually game throwing to lot as town without a good reason.
So yes in a way there is a right way to play the game.
- OMGUS can come from town or scum.
- scum are more consistent.
- lying can come from town or scum.
you're just justifying what you cannot prove. the above and bottom posts show it.
@DBS What do you mean if I have enough information to place you as scum or town for another day, if the latter was scum i wouldnt let you live lol that makes no sense.
if you won't let me live, why are you still talking to me when your vote is already on me, and 'your hand is forced'? nice talking to you. bye.
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Im not avoiding the question, my scum leans are atleast the 3 i am somewhat certain of are Osi/Grrr/DBS. Tempted to add you there too, cause again you havent realy explained why u were defending dawn so much.
So you think I've tried to bus every single scumbuddy this game? What... even...
Maybe or maybe not your the lowest of the 3 scum leans anyways.
If grape full claims an investigative role and it aligns with the flavor of his character I will believe him without any hesitiation espically if he shows no hestitation when claiming. I rather lynch a vig claim over and invest claim cause we can get real results from that one.
this sounds to me like you're trying to hint Grapefruit a way to save himself. same for LnG. not buying it.
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Not feeling the Jenna lynch. I always look at things from a "why would scum do this?" point of view, and while Jenna has been generally unhelpful and her posting style is bizarre, it doesn't seem like a scum play. Now the common response to this is "scum would do it to make you think they're town, and it's clearly working!", to which I say she still has 5 votes and is likely to be lynched even if I think she's not scum, it's not really working overall.
That said, I wouldn't be totally opposed to her lynch compared to someone who is actually contributing, so I would vote her over any of my other town reads/No lynch
@grapefruit
I'm probably about 4/10 caught up, lol. But I think it's fine to play "in the moment" and go back as necessary to support my reads. I will eventually finish reading everything but I'd rather be here and provide reads more or less in real time than be stuck 1000 posts behind.
LW - I have commented on. I think he was very reactive early and I didn't like how he tried to set up a Iso lynch if dawn flips town. Seems like a scummy move. Of the likely lynches this is the one I feel best about.
LnG - I also mentioned, I think his play so far has matched up with his claim, which I think is more town than scum. Overall reading more town on him.
I don't like Osie's giant posts. It makes it hard to read through and a lot of it seems unnecessary. It feels like they are trying to hide behind these walls, and even I found myself skimming through them sometimes just because I got impatient.
need some idea about you now.
agree on the point with Jenna. since you say Last tried to arrange an Iso lynch after my flip, do you think Iso is town?
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i want to suspect jenna for ruthlessly pocketing me then asking me what pocketing means (facetiously?) but **** it im climbing in.
@jenna shin is town thnks bb
I've yet to learn what pocketing means. You could have told me here and I could move on from all these pockets. So many pockets I am jealous.
someone trying to get another person to barn/sheep them, short for putting someone in your pocket, any alignment can do it to another alignment
Imagine if you would, one's eyes widening, sparkling even, the key fitting the door's lock after hours of searching, the handle turning. Freedom must be in sight! The door swings open, but there is no sunlight. Nor moonlight. A vacant stare. The interior continues. Two more locked doors.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Again i have no freaking clue where this pressure your talking about has come from seeing as how I have barely been voted. I am town if I was scum i dont think I would care this much about your playstyle or maybe I would because its kind of distasteful expecting us to accept your form of playing.
exaggerated self-justification.
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someone trying to get another person to barn/sheep them, short for putting someone in your pocket, any alignment can do it to another alignment
that is not a great definition
in IRL mafia parlance (irl like, sicilians. not this game in person) having someone in your pocket was when you bribe/extort/whatever a cop/politician/whatever so you own that person.
when you need them to look the other way or do something for you, you metaphorically take them out of your pocket and use them.
so pocketing someone, in terms of this game, uses your reads in the place of the extortion.
you townread a person. you defend them if needed. you agree with them on good points they make.
its an excellent scum tactic because you can take a pocketed townie with you to endgame.
Suddenly the floorboards crack and you tumble into the basement. There's a glass window shining light in. You consider smashing it open to break free, but it's at waist level and it lifts easily. You step outside and directly in front of you there's a parked car with the engine on. You step inside and close the door. The GPS is set to guide you to the nearest highway. You drive off and nobody follows you. Yes, it could have been that easy.
@DBS, as long as you keep posting, people are going to continue to interact with you. And is your opinion that voting you = gamethrowing at this stage? Can I accuse you then of gamethrowing if you vote me?
I'm fine with being voted so long as the focus isn't only me. remember that your vote is your gamesolving tool, and there are more players than just me. use your vote liberally. if I vote and question you, I'm not gamethrowing, but if I sit my vote on you and point out everything you did as justification - that is gamethrowing....or scum without a better target. I can't help finding Shinichi suspicious in that he feels town, but his main focus has been on me and only me. who else has been his focus in the game, and why does he justify his vote on me instead of figure out my alignment? feels gamethrowish.. but he could be jester looking for a hate-lynch. it's bizarre.
YOur alignment is mafia what else is there to figure out? This phase is way past the pressure votes its time to put someone into L2 or L1 this is not a pressure vote. I mean ill change my vote to prevent a no lynch from happening of course.
Also this whole back N forth between Osi and Dv seems more like T v T tho my opinion may be biased cause of the misunderstandings OSI has been having, since i tend to do that alot as welleven as town.
PTAP, Grapefruit is dumb, KJ is up to neutral as he might be trying to solve the game though in a crazy way.
Reading DBS posts give me a headache and I don't believe his claim. He probably has something that does trigger on betrayal. Suggest whoever gets paired with him ally until he proves his claim. Posts like, "Maybe only scum abilities cost BP!" make me want to retch.
If LW AND DBS are both town, please shoot me now.
I actually don't hate this post. What about Grapefruit is dumb?
Actually follow up question why do you care about my world building? This early I am looking for independantly scummy behavior. Why do you ask three questions relating to my association between you and LnGrrrR? How does that help you figure me out? And for the record I see nothing to draw lines between the two of you, just think you're both scummy this game.
I'm trying to look for perspective and reasoning. from my experience, u are more 'all over the place' as town, but I'm not seeing that here. if u think me and LnG are scummy in this game, does that mean u think we're both town? I'm sure scum won't be this obv scummy, that u are claiming.
This is...awful. Trying to decide if this means that Dawning and Lngrr are unaligned.
I don't know for sure, but if scum have abilities that require bp use then obviously they would not want to be betrayed. Some people already stated their abilities cost BP, mine on the other hand does not.
Well he's claimed now. So...
(This is the townslip I thought Lngrr saw from Shinichi btw.)
The people that are stating, they will hunt those down who are betrayed could easily be mafia who are effected negativetly by being betrayed. I wonder why no one has brought that up, both town and Mafia are hurt by betray yet people are only concerned about how it may hurt town. The default should be that, but we don't know anything abouut why people might want to chose the latter. I am not ok being betrayed but it would be clear where there intention lies if it happens. I don't agree on claiming espically seeing as how those who claim can be scum, plus if they're town your literally asking them to claim then suicide am i right?
He, like, definitely doesn't know that BP has any uses other than the Dilemma game. I thought that meant he was vanilla town but I guess theres other triggers but the point still stands. No way scum doesn't have that.
And then just the way this is framed. It's not faked because he's not, like, actively not knowing. It's too subtle.
Oh dang, this makes so much sense, and aligns nicely with Shinichi already looking reasonably townie.
@Dawn Yes the possibly that shin could be a tpr is there.
Doesn't grape this game remind you of Roz's Alien mafia game?
I like the idea of Shinchi as jester, since he mentioned not wanting an offchance for me to kill anyone. that isn't something scum would say. he is probably jester, since if it was any other tpr he would side with town...like he mentioned before.
Whats with the assumption of tpr? Only mafia at this point should be worried about the existence of tpr, and if i was jester I wouldn't be pushing someone like you. Prob be pushing on someones thats deemed obvious town.
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I am tired of Jenna's shtick. She is doing nothing, and I'm coming to the conclusion that it's a deliberate facade to hide her scumness than just something she's doing for fun. And playing from 1000+ posts behind for days on end is just bad.
I think I'm happier voting there than Iso. Iso hasn't done anything to especially make me feel like he's Town, but he's been less...aggravating?
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@DBS There is a norm,as much as you don't want to believe it regardless it exists. You can't expect anyone to be ok with your actions if you go against that norm. DOn't give me that crap I shouldnt be forced to play a certain way because your literally telling people hey im town vigilante if you lynch me your game throwing.
you're just twisting my words. it's fine to vote for me as long as I'm not the main focus. if I'm the main focus then..are you scumhunting or not? there isn't just 1 mafia in this game of 17 players. you're gamethrowing in the sense you fail to look outside of the box on me. but...you could be tpr jester where the risk of a vig is real to you. few pages ago, you said there was such a thing as a 'scum vig' but elaborated that it was just an extra kill. you're just validating your reasons to scumread me and not figure out my alignment. out of, let's say, town/scum/tpr alignments, why would you decide that I am scum vig?
Also there is a right way to play the game.
-OMGUS is naturally scummy
-Wine is NAI
-Inconsistency is scummy
-Lieing is scummy, Its actually game throwing to lot as town without a good reason.
So yes in a way there is a right way to play the game.
- OMGUS can come from town or scum.
- scum are more consistent.
- lying can come from town or scum.
you're just justifying what you cannot prove. the above and bottom posts show it.
@DBS What do you mean if I have enough information to place you as scum or town for another day, if the latter was scum i wouldnt let you live lol that makes no sense.
if you won't let me live, why are you still talking to me when your vote is already on me, and 'your hand is forced'? nice talking to you. bye.
Like how you avoided my question at the end of your post lol.
Im figuring out the game in my own way, either way why would I stop focusing someone I think is scum. Stop pointing at your role, like you cant be scummy as long as I cant prove a vigilante is scummy like we're suppose to know your role is the vigilante. You realize strongman claim vigilante quite often, its not something new to the game. I didn't decide that your scum vig, I decided your scum your role didnt play a part in my read its the way you reacted to all the questions about your role and how you answered said questions. The physical aspect of your role means nothing.
-Town have no reason to OMGUS literally makes no sense
-They have to be, thats why I am saying incosistency is scummy
-Town should never lie its even talked about in the mafia scum wikia somewhere lol once i find it
Found this tho
This Is My Claim And I Am Not Obvious Scum
Players who are unsure of how their claims will be taken or are just careless will try to spread their claims out over multiple posts. These sorts of "claims" tend to look like this:
Initial post: Claim role name.
Second post: Claim some of the role's abilities and one result.
Third post: Claim a few more of the role's abilities (possibly contradicting the wording of the second post) and a few other results.
Fourth post: A full claim (possibly contradicting something said so far).
Between the contradictions and how the claim is coming out in suspiciously-sized pieces, this looks for all the world like a terrible scum fakeclaim. Don't do this. If you're being FORCED to claim, you need to go ahead and lay everything you know down at once. These include: Your role name, your flavor (where applicable), your abilities, and your previous Night actions (with results where applicable). At this point in the game you have no room to hold things back from Town unless you're deliberately trying to withhold information from them (which usually means you're scum). The possibility of your claimed information hurting Town is in most situations near zero, and it will probably be obvious when the exceptions occur.
If you are claiming results of your own volition, you have a little more room to be vague about your role - simply telling the Town the results it needs to know. However, if this puts you into trouble you should seriously plan to fullclaim like above.
The last common newbie mistakes that deal with claiming should seem obvious, but: Don't lie, and don't disobey direct and obvious orders from the rest of the players. Trying to build your claim up to more than what it is will just look suspicious. In some games, the Town will try to organize a partial massclaim; if you're told to claim, you should probably check and see what exactly the other players want you to claim, and don't make them wait.
Really, the bottom line here is "don't look needlessly suspicious"; while this is the bottom line of most good Town play, it's amazing how many people completely disregard that.
Of course i cant prove your lieing atleast not till your flip or a vig kill you can prove was done by you happens.
If grape full claims an investigative role and it aligns with the flavor of his character I will believe him without any hesitiation espically if he shows no hestitation when claiming. I rather lynch a vig claim over and invest claim cause we can get real results from that one.
this sounds to me like you're trying to hint Grapefruit a way to save himself. same for LnG. not buying it.
So regardless of what he claims I should just lynch GF?
Again i have no freaking clue where this pressure your talking about has come from seeing as how I have barely been voted. I am town if I was scum i dont think I would care this much about your playstyle or maybe I would because its kind of distasteful expecting us to accept your form of playing.
exaggerated self-justification.
How so I literally got mad at CP for attacking people just because he was scum. Even if i was scum with him which I wasnt in the game but still i would have got mad at that.
I am tired of Jenna's shtick. She is doing nothing, and I'm coming to the conclusion that it's a deliberate facade to hide her scumness than just something she's doing for fun. And playing from 1000+ posts behind for days on end is just bad.
I think I'm happier voting there than Iso. Iso hasn't done anything to especially make me feel like he's Town, but he's been less...aggravating?
Vote: Jenna
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I find her posts quite useful and informative, which clearly ur not seeing.
"Don't Kill Me; I Have a Cool Role"
Softclaiming is the term for what someone does when they vaguely claim to have a power role, but don't specify what it is. Sometimes people who softclaim are gambiting per the above section, trying to draw the NK or putting pressure on someone else. Other times they have a power role and want people to know about it for some reason (usually either to announce that they should be trusted and protected, or to allay suspicion). Still other times these people are scum implying that they have a power role with the same motivations as the previous case.
Most of the time softclaiming is seen as a bad thing, especially when it's done by inexperienced players who can be expected to not understand the implications of what they're doing. Consider that softclaims basically tell the scum that claimant is a power role (and thus a prime NK target) but tells the Town nothing about the setup. This is especially frustrating when the power role is worth more than the person holding it.
It's currently common practice to force softclaimants to out their role. This is to pin down scum trying to fakeclaim an ambiguous role for the sake of buying time. However, in the present meta scum don't softclaim very often. So, as of right now it's probably best to let softclaims be until you're ready to have them fullclaim (either during massclaim or prior to their lynch) and judge their claim accordingly. This forces scum to decide whether to kill the softclaimant without knowing if the power role is worth the kill, especially if the softclaimant is a prospective mislynch on future Days.
Sad that this website talks about present meta like it should matter, but either way this post sums up why I dislike your defensne of your claim.
Not feeling the Jenna lynch. I always look at things from a "why would scum do this?" point of view, and while Jenna has been generally unhelpful and her posting style is bizarre, it doesn't seem like a scum play. Now the common response to this is "scum would do it to make you think they're town, and it's clearly working!", to which I say she still has 5 votes and is likely to be lynched even if I think she's not scum, it's not really working overall.
That said, I wouldn't be totally opposed to her lynch compared to someone who is actually contributing, so I would vote her over any of my other town reads/No lynch
@grapefruit
I'm probably about 4/10 caught up, lol. But I think it's fine to play "in the moment" and go back as necessary to support my reads. I will eventually finish reading everything but I'd rather be here and provide reads more or less in real time than be stuck 1000 posts behind.
LW - I have commented on. I think he was very reactive early and I didn't like how he tried to set up a Iso lynch if dawn flips town. Seems like a scummy move. Of the likely lynches this is the one I feel best about.
LnG - I also mentioned, I think his play so far has matched up with his claim, which I think is more town than scum. Overall reading more town on him.
I don't like Osie's giant posts. It makes it hard to read through and a lot of it seems unnecessary. It feels like they are trying to hide behind these walls, and even I found myself skimming through them sometimes just because I got impatient.
need some idea about you now.
agree on the point with Jenna. since you say Last tried to arrange an Iso lynch after my flip, do you think Iso is town?
thoughts on Osie?
In that scenario yes, Iso would be town. There is the possibility that LW is being honest though, so it's not like Iso is cleared or anything. He hasn't done anything to make me think he is town on his own though. I don't know him/have never played with him, so I can't commented on what Azreal said about this being unusual for him, but I do get the feeling that he's not really putting his heart in this game. That doesn't necessarily mean he's scum though, town can be apathetic too.
As I said before, scum read on Osie. I'm seeing a lot of fluff, not much game solving, and not really pushing reads. Like Osie backed off of LnGrrR really fast, which isn't necessarily bad but it didn't look like someone who actually believed LnGrrR was scum (or didn't really want to lynch him).
I am tired of Jenna's shtick. She is doing nothing, and I'm coming to the conclusion that it's a deliberate facade to hide her scumness than just something she's doing for fun. And playing from 1000+ posts behind for days on end is just bad.
I think I'm happier voting there than Iso. Iso hasn't done anything to especially make me feel like he's Town, but he's been less...aggravating?
Vote: Jenna
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I find her posts quite useful and informative, which clearly ur not seeing.
No. Indeed I am not.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
think I got everyone.
Iso is town to me, no scum is dumb enough to CC a claimed vig and retract so fast.
if Shinichi is tpr, that means Azrael(who put Osie as town, Iso/Tom as scum) and Axel(who pushed claimed vig and Jenna for confusion) are scum.
actually I don't know if Shinichi or Azrael is tpr..
hopefully no more waffles from me.
I like my T/S reads.
won't be changing anytime soon.
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I seriously prefer a lynch on Grapefruit. Jenna voting that direction is a good sign too.
a Grapefruit/LnG/Shinichi team possibility is starting to align.
they're a seriously townish team though~
... how?
and also, what?
- Grapefruit hasn't pushed beyond what was necessary.
- LnG flamed town over 1 tiny rush on his wagon.
- Shinichi is pointing out faults. (but it has nothing to do with solving alignments)
only thing I can associate in this team is:
- Grapefruit is a busser, and is bad at faking reads, so he goes for the REAL THING which is his scumbud LnG.
- LnG brought up an investigative role, like trying to help Grapefruit with a claim. his BP talk was rolefishing, besides possible communication with his scumbuds. he's a mechanical player, right? makes sense if he got a defense thought up beforehand.
- Shinichi backed the investigative idea up with a 'fullclaim trust', which is another scumteam hint. besides pushing the claimed town first. on our homesite, we know it's standard procedure to move on from a claimed town..even if it is fake. time will tell.
tell me how suggesting what others might claim comes from town? this only helps scum.
they're townish by themselves, but not as a team.
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I think my scum team is something like Killjoy, Osie, Jenna... And Tom?
I really don't know who my last slot should be. Definitely not Azreal after what he's posted. I'm still slightly wary of his post when he analyzed Dawn's role. But I guess I shouldn't be too worried about that.
Killjoy's literally dropped off the map. Then asked me the question "How can Osie and I be scum together" To which of course I answered "Why not?" because it seems like a stupid assumption to make to me.
In that scenario yes, Iso would be town. There is the possibility that LW is being honest though, so it's not like Iso is cleared or anything. He hasn't done anything to make me think he is town on his own though. I don't know him/have never played with him, so I can't commented on what Azreal said about this being unusual for him, but I do get the feeling that he's not really putting his heart in this game. That doesn't necessarily mean he's scum though, town can be apathetic too.
As I said before, scum read on Osie. I'm seeing a lot of fluff, not much game solving, and not really pushing reads. Like Osie backed off of LnGrrR really fast, which isn't necessarily bad but it didn't look like someone who actually believed LnGrrR was scum (or didn't really want to lynch him).
ok. that means Iso/Last aren't S/S. Osie/LnG have a chance to be S/S.
the Iso/Last team should be easier to solve.
not sure about past experience with Iso, but my interaction with him didn't feel like a pocketing attempt. why would scum want to CC the town vig and retract so fast? I remember doing an ISO on Iso, and he did exhibit the traits of arrogance, like "Osie please keep the walls down so I won't be arsed to read your posts." or something like that. hmmm not seeing the scumread on Iso.
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Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Same goes for your asking questions from the host, sure u don't like doing it but we dont have to accept that outcome. Its not fair for you to expect us to be ok with your off the norm way of thinking. I expect people that are about to be lynched or close to it to full claim its the town move. Not claiming when ur on the verge of being lynched is actually a form of game throwing sicne you like throwing that word out alot.
Also there is a right way to play the game.
-OMGUS is naturally scummy
-Wine is NAI
-Inconsistency is scummy
-Lieing is scummy, Its actually game throwing to lot as town without a good reason.
So yes in a way there is a right way to play the game.
Again i have no freaking clue where this pressure your talking about has come from seeing as how I have barely been voted. I am town if I was scum i dont think I would care this much about your playstyle or maybe I would because its kind of distasteful expecting us to accept your form of playing.
If grape full claims an investigative role and it aligns with the flavor of his character I will believe him without any hesitiation espically if he shows no hestitation when claiming. I rather lynch a vig claim over and invest claim cause we can get real results from that one.
@LNG Thank for that post #2300, its exactly what i keep thinking about, even if disregard her claim I still find her scummy due to playstyle and mechanics talk.
Question if someone Hammers do u assume they're auto scum? Kinda aligns with the whole betrayl thing so i am quite curious.
I actually can see where your getting at this this post, espically with the L-3 Statement she/he mentioned.
Whats the point of your vote if your telling people no matter where your vote is placed it stil means your voting DBS persay?
For some this is a hard concept to grasp it seems.
Cause I dont think mafia would be given ability costs that require them to to be at 1 like dawns, but at the same time now that I think aboutu I dont believe all the scum would have high costing abilities maybe 1 or 2 of them would.
Also this was before I even figured out my own ability cost (4)
-Apparently tunneling is scummy according to dbs so sure why not, I particularly dont find it scummy.
-Asking people to elaborate in general is not scummy asking people to elaborate and then proceeding to use those reasons as your own is scummy. Or just sheeping them in general
-People that don't vote tend to be scummy, I mean i barely vote and i barely ever change my vote espically on day 1.
- OMGUS can come from town or scum.
- scum are more consistent.
- lying can come from town or scum.
you're just justifying what you cannot prove. the above and bottom posts show it.
if you won't let me live, why are you still talking to me when your vote is already on me, and 'your hand is forced'? nice talking to you. bye.
Be grateful, always."
Maybe or maybe not your the lowest of the 3 scum leans anyways.
Be grateful, always."
agree on the point with Jenna. since you say Last tried to arrange an Iso lynch after my flip, do you think Iso is town?
thoughts on Osie?
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YOur alignment is mafia what else is there to figure out? This phase is way past the pressure votes its time to put someone into L2 or L1 this is not a pressure vote. I mean ill change my vote to prevent a no lynch from happening of course.
This requires an itemized list.
1: What has Grapefruit possibly done to earn your badge?
2: What gives you cause to suggest exactly one of Dawningbluesky and LnGrrrR are mafia?
3: This read of Shinichi seems very strong. An offer that is difficult to rescind.
4: I do not trust you at all.
5: The default is to ally. LnGrrrR has made this clear.
Whats with the assumption of tpr? Only mafia at this point should be worried about the existence of tpr, and if i was jester I wouldn't be pushing someone like you. Prob be pushing on someones thats deemed obvious town.
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I think I'm happier voting there than Iso. Iso hasn't done anything to especially make me feel like he's Town, but he's been less...aggravating?
Vote: Jenna
Can switch before deadline if necessary.
Like how you avoided my question at the end of your post lol.
Im figuring out the game in my own way, either way why would I stop focusing someone I think is scum. Stop pointing at your role, like you cant be scummy as long as I cant prove a vigilante is scummy like we're suppose to know your role is the vigilante. You realize strongman claim vigilante quite often, its not something new to the game. I didn't decide that your scum vig, I decided your scum your role didnt play a part in my read its the way you reacted to all the questions about your role and how you answered said questions. The physical aspect of your role means nothing.
-Town have no reason to OMGUS literally makes no sense
-They have to be, thats why I am saying incosistency is scummy
-Town should never lie its even talked about in the mafia scum wikia somewhere lol once i find it
Found this tho
Of course i cant prove your lieing atleast not till your flip or a vig kill you can prove was done by you happens.
So regardless of what he claims I should just lynch GF?
How so I literally got mad at CP for attacking people just because he was scum. Even if i was scum with him which I wasnt in the game but still i would have got mad at that.
I find her posts quite useful and informative, which clearly ur not seeing.
Sad that this website talks about present meta like it should matter, but either way this post sums up why I dislike your defensne of your claim.
ShinichiAt least we can both agree that Jenna has been informative in some ways, a long side her confusing double personality analysis of the game.
As I said, I was quoting Shinichi's 200, where he expresses suppositions as facts. It has been resolved now but at the time was impassible.
Be grateful, always."
and also, what?
In that scenario yes, Iso would be town. There is the possibility that LW is being honest though, so it's not like Iso is cleared or anything. He hasn't done anything to make me think he is town on his own though. I don't know him/have never played with him, so I can't commented on what Azreal said about this being unusual for him, but I do get the feeling that he's not really putting his heart in this game. That doesn't necessarily mean he's scum though, town can be apathetic too.
As I said before, scum read on Osie. I'm seeing a lot of fluff, not much game solving, and not really pushing reads. Like Osie backed off of LnGrrR really fast, which isn't necessarily bad but it didn't look like someone who actually believed LnGrrR was scum (or didn't really want to lynch him).
I was about to say the same thing lol, like misreading your role is one thing but where did the word kill come from is a good question.
No. Indeed I am not.
???: Azrael/Axel(just gut)
n/a: Megiddo/Phoenix/[Dawn aka me]
town: Iso/Tom/Terry/Dv/Last(scummy doe)
???: Jenna/Kaba
think I got everyone.
Iso is town to me, no scum is dumb enough to CC a claimed vig and retract so fast.
if Shinichi is tpr, that means Azrael(who put Osie as town, Iso/Tom as scum) and Axel(who pushed claimed vig and Jenna for confusion) are scum.
actually I don't know if Shinichi or Azrael is tpr..
hopefully no more waffles from me.
I like my T/S reads.
won't be changing anytime soon.
Be grateful, always."
- LnG flamed town over 1 tiny rush on his wagon.
- Shinichi is pointing out faults. (but it has nothing to do with solving alignments)
only thing I can associate in this team is:
- Grapefruit is a busser, and is bad at faking reads, so he goes for the REAL THING which is his scumbud LnG.
- LnG brought up an investigative role, like trying to help Grapefruit with a claim. his BP talk was rolefishing, besides possible communication with his scumbuds. he's a mechanical player, right? makes sense if he got a defense thought up beforehand.
- Shinichi backed the investigative idea up with a 'fullclaim trust', which is another scumteam hint. besides pushing the claimed town first. on our homesite, we know it's standard procedure to move on from a claimed town..even if it is fake. time will tell.
tell me how suggesting what others might claim comes from town? this only helps scum.
they're townish by themselves, but not as a team.
Be grateful, always."
Iso called him out on that.
I think Iso is town because of that.
I really want a Town member to justify Killjoy's overall behavior today.
I really don't know who my last slot should be. Definitely not Azreal after what he's posted. I'm still slightly wary of his post when he analyzed Dawn's role. But I guess I shouldn't be too worried about that.
Killjoy's literally dropped off the map. Then asked me the question "How can Osie and I be scum together" To which of course I answered "Why not?" because it seems like a stupid assumption to make to me.
the Iso/Last team should be easier to solve.
not sure about past experience with Iso, but my interaction with him didn't feel like a pocketing attempt. why would scum want to CC the town vig and retract so fast? I remember doing an ISO on Iso, and he did exhibit the traits of arrogance, like "Osie please keep the walls down so I won't be arsed to read your posts." or something like that. hmmm not seeing the scumread on Iso.
Be grateful, always."
Don't pick your scum teams based on whose styles you dislike.