And the indignation with the attacks being made against him has this "righteous" feel; he isn't trying to defend against a warranted attack, he's rebuffing things that don't fit quite right in the narrative against him.
which is why hes picking and choosing what to be indignant about
like, i say hes not trying to get his scumreads lynched, just hanging back and letting others get the blame. yes looking at votecounts and thinking about stuff got me there, but thats not changed by looking at different votecounts.
but rodemy's response becomes only about me moving the lynch to zionite. which in his narrative is me... idk predatorily moving a lynch to a townie. and it looks like all 3 of our choices were town so im not really sure how it would benefit scumtom anyway, but i probably would have done it as scum too because no lynches are bad and oh look how towny i am but whatever.
i say look how hard rodemy tried to lynch the cop. and give an example that theres even setup gaming to try to do it, and it stuck out to me in his iso because it was surrounded by stuff about kaba being scummy behaviorally and it became super clear he was just throwing everything at trying to lynch him.
but the response is how dare you i setup gamed this one time as town.
its always this indignant bristle but its not even indignant about the part thats scummy in the first place.
i think i see what you mean here
iirc i at one point had a scumtrio of lngrr/jey/kj that i would probably be pretty proud of if i was scum with lngrr.
and god damn that low accountability townread of tubba. though i do remember arching an eyebrow to his drop off in... doing anything. i wanted him to be newbtown getting better but i think he just had a strong start and then didnt know what to do. which, btw, i think points reasonably strongly to him not having someone like you or me who would be coaching the ***** out of him at night, making sure he kept it up.
not really sure what to tell you on that.
maybe look at the way my reads changed after tubba flipped?
not to lead you, but does it look like i knew that was coming?
This is such a beautiful post; it tugs the heartstrings, nods to my ego, and even makes sense. I just can't see your alignment in it at all.
I will go back and look at the pre/post Tubba stuff, not sure if I will have time immediately, but I will.
I'm going through some stuff and found this post which explains why Pa Tennis is scum if Killjoy is town and he continued to say I'm claiming that for no reason still.
@jey the people on his wagon are probably a good place to look. why would killjoy being town make me scum?
So this is the response I lost and I'm really upset, but in a nutshell I feel like both of your pushes on Grapefruit and Killjoy are flowing the same, and after two in a row I'd be fed up with your mislynches and take matters into my own hands.
That's... not really an explanation. It says you typed one and lost it. Which is certainly believable because curse.
But what little explanation you ended up giving certainly doesn't apply now, and I don't think it applied then either.
I think I found a more useful place for my vote Vote jey
Here is where you chose jey over tubba.
Even, after pizza flew in and caught 2 scum hands down. He convinced me on tubba, so why the hell didn't he convince you? What about his argument didn't you agree with?
You sort of dipped out on that lynch.
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Tom, can you full claim please? I don't recall you doing so.
If no relevant claims have been made by this point I think it's safe to assume everyone is going to claim "vanilla town", at least that is what I have been operating off of.
I will vote you if you don't claim. The time for claim WIFOM is over.
I'm vanilla. Are you?
Claim WIFOM time, is not over. In fact, it's more important than ever.
You never answered my question. Why do you need to know?
No, it is not important. Tom/Rodemy are never scum/scum (<1%), so whichever of them we lynch, the other will die tonight except for WIFOM anyway, which would be technically sub optimal for scum anyway.
If you don't claim in your next post I will vote you to L-2 and force the claim.
Ok, you bring up a good point. We know Tom or Rodemy is scum and the other is town. If we Lynch the scum one, the town one is guaranteed killed, so I guess there is no way I get night killed on WIFOM. I was vanilla until Toast died, now I have an ability. Is that good? However, I don't like it one bit that you forced me to claim.
Ok, you bring up a good point. We know Tom or Rodemy is scum and the other is town. If we Lynch the scum one, the town one is guaranteed killed, so I guess there is no way I get night killed on WIFOM. I was vanilla until Toast died, now I have an ability. Is that good? However, I don't like it one bit that you forced me to claim.
Thats all I needed. Sorry for forcing your hand. At the present you have my tentative trust.
Since Rhand's death has now illustrated that our role PMs are going to be publicized in full, rather than just our alignments and role-names, I suppose I can safely mention that my role PM does offer a bit of info about the setup, but in a vague manner that may very well be a red herring. Thus, I don't want to announce it because I could lead the Town on a wild goose chase, and now that I know it'll be automatically announced even if I die, I have no incentive to publicize it unless it becomes relevant.
Ok, shadow, what do you think about lynching jey then? I'm leaning rodemy, you're leaning tom, but what you did right there is pretty damn town. You tried to trap me. I didn't even read EL's posts this game and that still lined up. It should be a pretty clear signal that I'm town as well. Personally, I actually feel more confident voting jey at this point than Tom or Rodemy. For me there is a second 50 50 between you and jey and I can't believe scum!shadow tries to trap me like this. I'd actually throw down a vote on him right this second, but I wanted to at least discuss this first.
I got the ability at end of last night. It's not so much a backup, it actually said it was unlocked and I knew what that ability was from my role pm, but I didn't know who's death unlocked it though.
Ok, shadow, what do you think about lynching jey then? I'm leaning rodemy, you're leaning tom, but what you did right there is pretty damn town. You tried to trap me. I didn't even read EL's posts this game and that still lined up. It should be a pretty clear signal that I'm town as well. Personally, I actually feel more confident voting jey at this point than Tom or Rodemy. For me there is a second 50 50 between you and jey and I can't believe scum!shadow tries to trap me like this. I'd actually throw down a vote on him right this second, but I wanted to at least discuss this first.
im very seriously considering this option. Give me a bit more time to decompress from your claim and just go through everything in my head.
Ok, shadow, what do you think about lynching jey then? I'm leaning rodemy, you're leaning tom, but what you did right there is pretty damn town. You tried to trap me. I didn't even read EL's posts this game and that still lined up. It should be a pretty clear signal that I'm town as well. Personally, I actually feel more confident voting jey at this point than Tom or Rodemy. For me there is a second 50 50 between you and jey and I can't believe scum!shadow tries to trap me like this. I'd actually throw down a vote on him right this second, but I wanted to at least discuss this first.
Except your whole basis of claiming was because if we lynch between me and tom, the other dies if the other is scum.
Why did you claim if you want to hop off the two of us?
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Ok, shadow, what do you think about lynching jey then? I'm leaning rodemy, you're leaning tom, but what you did right there is pretty damn town. You tried to trap me. I didn't even read EL's posts this game and that still lined up. It should be a pretty clear signal that I'm town as well. Personally, I actually feel more confident voting jey at this point than Tom or Rodemy. For me there is a second 50 50 between you and jey and I can't believe scum!shadow tries to trap me like this. I'd actually throw down a vote on him right this second, but I wanted to at least discuss this first.
Except your whole basis of claiming was because if we lynch between me and tom, the other dies if the other is scum.
Why did you claim if you want to hop off the two of us?
Because I thought shadow was scum or an idiot and turns out he laid a trap, which I didn't know until after he explained it, after I claimed. I didn't want to hop off you two until Shadow tried to trap me, now I really like that idea. You know what... I just realized you are trying to deter this idea and discredit me because you know it's a good play. Shoot I'll vote Rodemy or jey right now.
Ok, shadow, what do you think about lynching jey then? I'm leaning rodemy, you're leaning tom, but what you did right there is pretty damn town. You tried to trap me. I didn't even read EL's posts this game and that still lined up. It should be a pretty clear signal that I'm town as well. Personally, I actually feel more confident voting jey at this point than Tom or Rodemy. For me there is a second 50 50 between you and jey and I can't believe scum!shadow tries to trap me like this. I'd actually throw down a vote on him right this second, but I wanted to at least discuss this first.
im very seriously considering this option. Give me a bit more time to decompress from your claim and just go through everything in my head.
Game solved. I'll wait for you to take it all in but I'm ready to vote.
While it's looking less likely that Rodemy is town with that reaction, I am not sold on that yet. I think Jey is probably the most likely scum at this point and I'm just being patient here because we have time and I don't want to trip at the finish line.
So basically if you are going to vote, I'd be much less comfortable if you vote Rodemy, but you're welcome to vote Jey while I cross my t's and dot my i's
If I die today I want you to do something for me though.
... what reaction?! I'm. Trying to understand why Terry wants to derail me vs tom...
If he is partner's with tom, then he is trying to lynch town!jey and we are ****ed.
Especially since he stated you were leaning tom....
Which is exactly why I think you are the scum between you and tom. Shadow was leaning Tom, yes. I had a decent town read on shadow and could have been easily convinced to vote Tom with him. I was actively looking for reasons to go over to Tom and somehow, every time I do, you say or do something to make me second guess it. If you are scum, you surely see that as a distinct possibility and as soon as I mention the possibility of going to jey, you get all panicky. Here's the thing, if shadow fooled me and set that trap as scum, I'm going to declare him the best player on this site.
... what reaction?! I'm. Trying to understand why Terry wants to derail me vs tom...
If he is partner's with tom, then he is trying to lynch town!jey and we are ****ed.
Especially since he stated you were leaning tom....
Which is exactly why I think you are the scum between you and tom. Shadow was leaning Tom, yes. I had a decent town read on shadow and could have been easily convinced to vote Tom with him. I was actively looking for reasons to go over to Tom and somehow, every time I do, you say or do something to make me second guess it. If you are scum, you surely see that as a distinct possibility and as soon as I mention the possibility of going to jey, you get all panicky. Here's the thing, if shadow fooled me and set that trap as scum, I'm going to declare him the best player on this site.
I wish I was scum just so that I could put that in my sig. However, even as town, I'm pretty sure I just broke this game wide open.
Unvote For now. I'm at work constantly looking at my phone to make sure no one is quick hammering and it's driving me mad. I'm going to hold it for a bit and get some work done.
Unvote For now. I'm at work constantly looking at my phone to make sure no one is quick hammering and it's driving me mad. I'm going to hold it for a bit and get some work done.
There wasn't a quick hammer attempt, so that's a good start. I know it was only 20 minutes, but I've seen quick hammers faster than that (see silence). Shoot, I just got sick to my stomach. Damn you Shadow!
You say there wasn't a quick hammer attempt between 3 people posting right now?
Jey and tom are out.
Anyway, why are we jumping the rod/tom ship?
Because I just used game mechanics/a trap attempt to get to a point where Jey is scum significantly more than 50% of the time, which are the odds when lynching between you and Tom.
So this post I made early about Pa Tennis; Rodemy made me realize I've kept some cards close to the chest and now is the time to share them.
So around this time, I was scum-reading EternalLurker because I had the notion that he was hiding something which is something that scum wanted to do.
At this time, I had the weirdest feeling that Pa Tennis was also hiding something but I didn't get the same malicious intent vibe I got from EL, so I asked myself: Why am I okay with this feeling of hiding something? Lightbulb moment: Pa Tennis was a power role. Okay; that's a thing you want to hide, I'm not gonna out him.
Fast forward to today, he wasn't hiding a power role, he was hiding his true identity @_@ So I guess my intuition was on the right track. Unfortunately, I'm asking my intuition for the answers now and its completely silent and/or accuses everyone of being scum simultaneously so that's not helpful.
This seems like he isn't aligned with Tom.
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like, i say hes not trying to get his scumreads lynched, just hanging back and letting others get the blame. yes looking at votecounts and thinking about stuff got me there, but thats not changed by looking at different votecounts.
but rodemy's response becomes only about me moving the lynch to zionite. which in his narrative is me... idk predatorily moving a lynch to a townie. and it looks like all 3 of our choices were town so im not really sure how it would benefit scumtom anyway, but i probably would have done it as scum too because no lynches are bad and oh look how towny i am but whatever.
i say look how hard rodemy tried to lynch the cop. and give an example that theres even setup gaming to try to do it, and it stuck out to me in his iso because it was surrounded by stuff about kaba being scummy behaviorally and it became super clear he was just throwing everything at trying to lynch him.
but the response is how dare you i setup gamed this one time as town.
its always this indignant bristle but its not even indignant about the part thats scummy in the first place.
I will go back and look at the pre/post Tubba stuff, not sure if I will have time immediately, but I will.
Here is where you chose jey over tubba.
Even, after pizza flew in and caught 2 scum hands down. He convinced me on tubba, so why the hell didn't he convince you? What about his argument didn't you agree with?
You sort of dipped out on that lynch.
Also, to be equal Rodemy, how come you didn't want to Lynch LNG?
I have no time now to look but I think I was voting jey?
Idk. But my read on grr never changed.
That wasn't me not wanting to lynch him, that's him getting lynched really fast.
Why do you need to know?
I'm vanilla. Are you?
You never answered my question. Why do you need to know?
If you don't claim in your next post I will vote you to L-2 and force the claim.
I might have to call bull*****.
*****.
I am finding this hard to fathom tbh.
Except your whole basis of claiming was because if we lynch between me and tom, the other dies if the other is scum.
Why did you claim if you want to hop off the two of us?
It's pointless now if they have a roleblocker. Or if you die tonight.
Actually, considering you have an ability, i wouldn't be surprised if you do die.
This is the hardest game I have played to date.
I can see all of you being scum (yes shadow, even you, you sly bastard)
._. I hope the scumteam knows they are giving me adgeda.
So, if Terry is town with that claim, that leaves jey and tom.
I'd seriously rather lynch tom.
He flips scum, and we get a flip toNight with the nk and it will probably win us the game
So basically if you are going to vote, I'd be much less comfortable if you vote Rodemy, but you're welcome to vote Jey while I cross my t's and dot my i's
If I die today I want you to do something for me though.
If he is partner's with tom, then he is trying to lynch town!jey and we are ****ed.
Especially since he stated you were leaning tom....
Shadow telling Terry to vote me is scummy, leaving him open to hammer me.
GOD DAMNIT SHADOW YOU ARE SCUM, AREN'T YOU >;[
Okay. It's not going to get better than this.
Vote Jey
Jey and tom are out.
Anyway, why are we jumping the rod/tom ship?
When is the deadline?