tbh I'd be fine in the world where Rodemy was town, nad we killed him and shadow/tom won because of how ridiculous this is.
I'm so bad at this game I don't know who it is and I'm composed of like fifteen different wafflemakers all beeping like crazy and its impossible to tell which ones need to be flipped and which are cooked.
beautiful imagery
but why are you ok with that?
i, ummm, really expected someone to look at a me/shadow team. we've largely run this game. collectively led ~every lynch. i can totally see us playing this way as partners.
This would have been a dream.
I read Rodemy's iso in this game, Bare Bones, and Apacolypse and I'm still having trouble seeing him as scum this game. Will read Tom later.
I'm going through some stuff and found this post which explains why Pa Tennis is scum if Killjoy is town and he continued to say I'm claiming that for no reason still.
I'm okay with a Pa Tennis lynch toDay
Kj is town. So, what changed?
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Also, only people confirmed on tubba are all town. Shadow jey and me are the last three from there and for some reason jey has eluded all suspicion from the entire game.
Tubbas attachment to jey wasn't noob scum looking for town to lynch, his argument on jey was actually legit. Which means tubba knew jey was scum and tried to bus the ***** outta her.
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Appreciate your compliment Tom, honestly flavor is my strongest suit in Mafia
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I totally forgot I made that statement about Tom/Killjoy and it feels really convenient that nobody ever really brought that back up. That honestly makes this even harder for me. To tell you the truth Rodemy, nothing changed - if you read my last post at all I literally considered Tom/Shadow as the team :|
I said I was okay with that scenario because this game has gone on long enough but I'm not so much of an ******** that I would throw it for the rest of town for selfish reasons.
I desperately want to close my eyes and push a button to end the torment; either violently or relieved.
Unfortunately the deadline is too far away
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So this post I made early about Pa Tennis; Rodemy made me realize I've kept some cards close to the chest and now is the time to share them.
So around this time, I was scum-reading EternalLurker because I had the notion that he was hiding something which is something that scum wanted to do.
At this time, I had the weirdest feeling that Pa Tennis was also hiding something but I didn't get the same malicious intent vibe I got from EL, so I asked myself: Why am I okay with this feeling of hiding something? Lightbulb moment: Pa Tennis was a power role. Okay; that's a thing you want to hide, I'm not gonna out him.
Fast forward to today, he wasn't hiding a power role, he was hiding his true identity @_@ So I guess my intuition was on the right track. Unfortunately, I'm asking my intuition for the answers now and its completely silent and/or accuses everyone of being scum simultaneously so that's not helpful.
Why does my lack of tubba progression mean I am scum? Pizza had good posts. And look, he found scum. Am I not allowed to barn? Is jey voting and unvoting not more curious?
You really need to stop tunneling me if you are town because this is getting us nowhere.
Have you ever played a game with me where my progression was linear?
But you aren't town. Because you won't see reason.
You say im scum for not being on the lynches d1 and d2. Yet, as I explained, that's bull***** because of how d2 ended. You continued to push that narrative.
You say I'm scum because i didn't interact with tubba. Why (if I was scum) would I avoid talking to my scum buddies? In bare bones, i communicated with you and shadow regularly.
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Cool Rodemy, anyone who thinks you could be scum is scum. Nice OMGUS.
1. I find out more likely that you would be bussing if you were unenthusiastic about a scum Lynch
2. I went through your ISO and that's how it looked. One second Pizza was Obviously Scum and the next he was sheepable
3. At this point I'm going to go through your posts and Tom's post and paint you both as scum and see which one makes the most sense. One of you are guaranteed scum.
Cool Rodemy, anyone who thinks you could be scum is scum. Nice OMGUS.
1. I find out more likely that you would be bussing if you were unenthusiastic about a scum Lynch
2. I went through your ISO and that's how it looked. One second Pizza was Obviously Scum and the next he was sheepable
3. At this point I'm going to go through your posts and Tom's post and paint you both as scum and see which one makes the most sense. One of you are guaranteed scum.
With reasoning like that, it sounds like you already made up your mind.
It's not omgus, i explained why I did what I did.
Do you see where I am coming from in my arguments against tom?
Does... anyone?
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I think this is a pretty interesting turning point. We have 15 hours and it's down to town-Anuk and scum-LNG, both at 3 votes. It would have been super easy for Tom to jump ship and put Anak at L-2, but instead he stays on LNG. The interesting thing is that there are two people voting Tom at that point are scum-LNG and Rodemy. I just don't see a world where scum would bus there teammate when it would be equally easy to Lynch town.
@Terry: from your point of view, scum is mechanically confirmed on that Lng wagon.
At what point? That quote was a snap shot of when it was tied. I find those more telling than looking at the final vote count, especially looking who goes which direction. I think that's a stupid question Shadow and makes me worry about your intentions.
Not really sure what else to say at this point. Might compile all my rodemy stuff into one place since people seem to like walls of text and it's really spread out right now.
Biggest things for me are tubba interactions, kj push, and planning to push me/jey before anak/kj flipped without actually townreading either
@Terry: from your point of view, scum is mechanically confirmed on that Lng wagon.
At what point? That quote was a snap shot of when it was tied. I find those more telling than looking at the final vote count, especially looking who goes which direction. I think that's a stupid question Shadow and makes me worry about your intentions.
Stop and think about it. The snapshot you took has me, tom and Jey all voting for Lng. If you are town, then at the absolutely least, there is 1 scum in that grouping. So either you're scum, or scum bussed Lng at that point. And I know you're good with mechanics, so you missing this has me very worried that you're scum.
@Terry: from your point of view, scum is mechanically confirmed on that Lng wagon.
At what point? That quote was a snap shot of when it was tied. I find those more telling than looking at the final vote count, especially looking who goes which direction. I think that's a stupid question Shadow and makes me worry about your intentions.
Stop and think about it. The snapshot you took has me, tom and Jey all voting for Lng. If you are town, then at the absolutely least, there is 1 scum in that grouping. So either you're scum, or scum bussed Lng at that point. And I know you're good with mechanics, so you missing this has me very worried that you're scum.
I didn't miss anything. I told you it was a stupid and loaded question because the answer was obvious.
Look how he brings up things I have explained already. Like, can you see this as scum pushing a lynch?
He'll, one of his arguments was that I didn't interact with tubba.
Shadow, do you remember bare bones? I'm not that dumb as scum. I bussed you and flirted with tom. BECAUSE I KNEW I HAD TO INTERACT WITH YOU GUYS OR I WOULD BE OUTTED AT SCUM.
Kj was an accident, and yes I voted him, and yes he was town.
Tom also voted him. His kj read hasn't been there all game. His read on me has been. Iso pa tennis and look at his reads and interactions with grr and tubba. And that zionite switch at the end of d2.. that lngrr ENTHUSIASTICALLY voted for. From jey btw.. like, tom was on the first two mislynches. And OFF OF TUBBA.
Not to mention that *****ty comment about me not being on d1 and d2 lynches and that makes me scum. WHEN HE MADE IT SO I WASN'T ON D2 LYNCH. How does that not scream scum to you?
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@Terry: from your point of view, scum is mechanically confirmed on that Lng wagon.
At what point? That quote was a snap shot of when it was tied. I find those more telling than looking at the final vote count, especially looking who goes which direction. I think that's a stupid question Shadow and makes me worry about your intentions.
Stop and think about it. The snapshot you took has me, tom and Jey all voting for Lng. If you are town, then at the absolutely least, there is 1 scum in that grouping. So either you're scum, or scum bussed Lng at that point. And I know you're good with mechanics, so you missing this has me very worried that you're scum.
I didn't miss anything. I told you it was a stupid and loaded question because the answer was obvious.
It wasn't a question, it was an observation because you used it as an indication of Tom's townieness despite the fact that it should be mechanically confirmed for your that at least one scum did in fact bus there, so it should be irrelevant for determining alignment. I'm kind of thrown off by how defensive you're getting about this.
@Rodemy, Yes I remember Bare Bones, and that's one part of why I'm so conflicted here, because it isn't like you to completely ignore a buddy.
@Jey and Terry: one of you is town, so do me a favor and make sure you give advanced warning of any voting you intend to carry out, because I'm not ready for this to be done.
I ain't gonna be on that lynch, good luck. IF kj flips scum, i will reconsider jey/tom.
But I can't see kj as scum while i think It's those two.
If KJ flips town, then trust me, Tom will go under a microscope, but letting KJ live to a potential LyLo would be a huge mistake when we have the opportunity to either lynch scum (most likely) or have that flip to analyze the whole game from.
Why am I in lylo the worst thing ever? I am not seeing a coherent argument on that.
I'll have time to answer to things after work today btw. Bbl.
Because the odds of both you and Anak being town were astronomically low, and there will always be the question of whether you're scum or not. So for the sake of avoiding having to ask that question in LyLo, you need to be flipped while we can still do any analysis based off of it.
I even quoted that last post in my vote.
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I dont care that it was the hammer. Whyd you vote him AT ALL?
Wait.. You "doubled down" on a kj/rodemy scumteam because i hammered and you had "just did a brutal hammer on a partner" so you weren't letting me get away with it..
Kj flipped town and yet your read on me stayed.
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You extrapolated the scummiest thing I could do from asking a question like that, and then voted me?
I extrapolated what seemed to be the most probable reason for asking a question like that. Tell me if there's another reason for it.
Note that my explanation didn't imply that the probable reasoning for the question was inherently scummy. Your being defensive about it is odd. I specifically stated that the reasoning might seem logical but was simply a bad idea, which implies more "poor play" rather than "scummy behavior".
Grapefruit21 - 9 (Anaklusmos, Kabazame, EternalLurker, Pa Tennis, Vaimes, Study Latin, Killjoy, Grapefruit21, shadowlancerx)
JeY k - 3 (Tubba Fett, Rhand, Toastboy)
Kabazame - 2 (LnGrrrR, JeY k)
Killjoy - 1 (Rodemy)
Not Voting - 1 (Zionite)
Zionite - 8 (Kabazame, Toastboy, Jey K, Killjoy, Shadowlancerx, Study Latin, Pa Tennis, LnGrrrR)
JeY k - 4 (Tubba Fett, Cantripmancer, Rodemy, Zionite)
Killjoy - 2 (Anaklusmos, Vaimes)
Tubba Fett - 7 (shadowlancerx, Rodemy, Anaklusmos, Toastboy, Killjoy, JeY k, Askthepizzaguy)
JeY k - 3 (Tubba Fett, Kabazame, Pa Tennis)
Pa Tennis - 1 (LnGrrrR)
Not Voting - 1 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
I want to especially pay attention to Rodemy on reread because only deciding to be part of the lynch when there's credit to be had seems a quintessentially scumRodemy thing to do.
Lngrr stayed off Tubba. At least one teammate bussed him. Probably two. Three would be hilarious, but probably not.
Quoting this for the lulz. Because, if it is tom and terry, tubba was actually not bussed. At all.
I mean I kind of did forget in a way. Compiling and coloring votecounts isn't a thinking job. It busy work that gives me something visual to ponder.
Which is when I remembered.
Anyone besides rodemy believe no one bussed tubba?
He fooled me, but pizza and shadow went hard. I can't imagine 3 buddies thinking it would blow over.
It's, like, the naturalest bus ever.
This is the hardest one to glean something off of based on flips, with only 1 confirmed town on and two off this mislynch.
Day 4 Final Votecount
Anaklusmos - 2 (Killjoy, Toastboy)
LnGrrrR - 6 (shadowlancerx, tomsloger, JeY k, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Kabazame, Anaklusmos)
tomsloger - 2 (LnGrrrR, Rodemy)
Not Voting - 0
The only person that wasn't on the LNG Lynch was Rodemy. Instead, him and LNG were both on Tom.
Final Day 3 Vote Count
Tubba Fett - 7 (shadowlancerx, Rodemy, Anaklusmos, Toastboy, Killjoy, JeY k, Askthepizzaguy)
JeY k - 3 (Tubba Fett, Kabazame, Pa Tennis)
Pa Tennis - 1 (LnGrrrR)
Not Voting - 1 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
The only person that wasn't on the Tubba Lynch was Tom, who instead was on JeyK with LNG, but again LNG was on Tom.
Final Day 2 Votecount
Zionite - 8 (Kabazame, Toastboy, Jey K, Killjoy, Shadowlancerx, Study Latin, Pa Tennis, LnGrrrR)
JeY k - 4 (Tubba Fett, Cantripmancer, Rodemy, Zionite)
Killjoy - 2 (Anaklusmos, Vaimes)
Not Voting - 0
Tubba and Rodemy were both not on the Zionite Lynch, everyone else alive was. Tubba and Rod were voting Jey K.
Final Day 1 Votecount
Grapefruit21 - 9 (Anaklusmos, Kabazame, EternalLurker, Pa Tennis, Vaimes, Study Latin, Killjoy, Grapefruit21, shadowlancerx)
JeY k - 3 (Tubba Fett, Rhand, Toastboy)
Kabazame - 2 (LnGrrrR, JeY k)
Killjoy - 1 (Rodemy)
Not Voting - 1 (Zionite)
For the Grapefruit Lynch, Tubba was on Jey K again. LNG and Jey K were on Kaba and Rod was on Killjoy. Leaving the only potential scum on Grape, Shadow and Tom, with NO OTHER confirmed scum.
No one on Grapefruit day 1 has flipped scum, with two potential scum (Shadow and Tom). LNG hammered Zionite and we have 3 potential scum on that mislynch. When we get around to actually lynching scum Tubba there are zero flipped scum and three potential. When we Lynch LNG, we have the same. The mislynch on Killjoy has three unknowns, but it has Rodemy AND Tom on it, meaning that there was AT LEAST 1 scum on that Lynch.
Notes on Rodemy: On 1 Mislynch (KJ), On 1 Scum Lynch (Tubba), Off 2 mislynches (Zionite and Grape), Off 1 scum Lynch (LNG)
Notes on Tom: On all 3 mislynches (Grape, Zionite and Killjoy), on 1 scum Lynch (LNG), off 0 mislynches, off 1 scum Lynch (Tubba)
Notes on Shadow: On ALL 5 lynches, 3 mis, 2 scum.
Notes on JeyK: On 1 mislynch (Zionite), On both scum lynches, off 2 mislynches (Grape and Killjoy).
I read Rodemy's iso in this game, Bare Bones, and Apacolypse and I'm still having trouble seeing him as scum this game. Will read Tom later.
Jey, explain how you went from this to town reading tom?
Kj is town. So, what changed?
Tubbas attachment to jey wasn't noob scum looking for town to lynch, his argument on jey was actually legit. Which means tubba knew jey was scum and tried to bus the ***** outta her.
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I totally forgot I made that statement about Tom/Killjoy and it feels really convenient that nobody ever really brought that back up. That honestly makes this even harder for me. To tell you the truth Rodemy, nothing changed - if you read my last post at all I literally considered Tom/Shadow as the team :|
I said I was okay with that scenario because this game has gone on long enough but I'm not so much of an ******** that I would throw it for the rest of town for selfish reasons.
I desperately want to close my eyes and push a button to end the torment; either violently or relieved.
Unfortunately the deadline is too far away
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So around this time, I was scum-reading EternalLurker because I had the notion that he was hiding something which is something that scum wanted to do.
At this time, I had the weirdest feeling that Pa Tennis was also hiding something but I didn't get the same malicious intent vibe I got from EL, so I asked myself: Why am I okay with this feeling of hiding something? Lightbulb moment: Pa Tennis was a power role. Okay; that's a thing you want to hide, I'm not gonna out him.
Fast forward to today, he wasn't hiding a power role, he was hiding his true identity @_@ So I guess my intuition was on the right track. Unfortunately, I'm asking my intuition for the answers now and its completely silent and/or accuses everyone of being scum simultaneously so that's not helpful.
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Terry rehashing my point about rodemy's [complete lack of] tubba progression to get ready to bus/live through tomorrow when we lynch his buddy
@jey/shadow yall keep waffling or whatever. I'll be over here voting scum
You really need to stop tunneling me if you are town because this is getting us nowhere.
Have you ever played a game with me where my progression was linear?
But you aren't town. Because you won't see reason.
You say im scum for not being on the lynches d1 and d2. Yet, as I explained, that's bull***** because of how d2 ended. You continued to push that narrative.
You say I'm scum because i didn't interact with tubba. Why (if I was scum) would I avoid talking to my scum buddies? In bare bones, i communicated with you and shadow regularly.
Terry, why would I need to be enthusiastic about lynching someone i had no read on?
I literally said why I voted tubba: because i liked pizzas posts.
I even explained that I could see scum motivation behind him asking how many scum there were. You quoted that part.
It wasn't nonsensical, i saw scum motivation in it.
Stop painting me as scum.
1. I find out more likely that you would be bussing if you were unenthusiastic about a scum Lynch
2. I went through your ISO and that's how it looked. One second Pizza was Obviously Scum and the next he was sheepable
3. At this point I'm going to go through your posts and Tom's post and paint you both as scum and see which one makes the most sense. One of you are guaranteed scum.
With reasoning like that, it sounds like you already made up your mind.
It's not omgus, i explained why I did what I did.
Do you see where I am coming from in my arguments against tom?
Does... anyone?
Anaklusmos - 3 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Killjoy, toastboy)
LnGrrrR - 3 (shadowlancerx, tomsloger, jey k)
Rodemy - 1 (Kabazame)
tomsloger - 2 (LnGrrrR, Rodemy)
Not Voting - 1 (Anaklusmos)
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I think this is a pretty interesting turning point. We have 15 hours and it's down to town-Anuk and scum-LNG, both at 3 votes. It would have been super easy for Tom to jump ship and put Anak at L-2, but instead he stays on LNG. The interesting thing is that there are two people voting Tom at that point are scum-LNG and Rodemy. I just don't see a world where scum would bus there teammate when it would be equally easy to Lynch town.
Out g him at l-2 is nothing special tho. Where is the significance in that?
And rodemy looks like the only tubba busser
Biggest things for me are tubba interactions, kj push, and planning to push me/jey before anak/kj flipped without actually townreading either
Except I am pretty sure I wanted to lynch grr as well.
Also wouldn't doing the very thing you are saying make it obvious I wasn't scumreading them?
Still going back to the point you're actively twisting about staying off mislynches but not trying to stop them
What reads? Where was I scumreading them?
If tom is town, i am letting him know how dumb he is being
IT WAS AN ACCIDENT. I thought he was at l-2.
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Uggggghhh, i really boned myself.
I'm up against tom, fabulous ****in tom.
I'm not giving up
Look how he brings up things I have explained already. Like, can you see this as scum pushing a lynch?
He'll, one of his arguments was that I didn't interact with tubba.
Shadow, do you remember bare bones? I'm not that dumb as scum. I bussed you and flirted with tom. BECAUSE I KNEW I HAD TO INTERACT WITH YOU GUYS OR I WOULD BE OUTTED AT SCUM.
Kj was an accident, and yes I voted him, and yes he was town.
Tom also voted him. His kj read hasn't been there all game. His read on me has been. Iso pa tennis and look at his reads and interactions with grr and tubba. And that zionite switch at the end of d2.. that lngrr ENTHUSIASTICALLY voted for. From jey btw.. like, tom was on the first two mislynches. And OFF OF TUBBA.
Not to mention that *****ty comment about me not being on d1 and d2 lynches and that makes me scum. WHEN HE MADE IT SO I WASN'T ON D2 LYNCH. How does that not scream scum to you?
@Jey and Terry: one of you is town, so do me a favor and make sure you give advanced warning of any voting you intend to carry out, because I'm not ready for this to be done.
This
And...
This
I even quoted that last post in my vote.
Wait.. You "doubled down" on a kj/rodemy scumteam because i hammered and you had "just did a brutal hammer on a partner" so you weren't letting me get away with it..
Kj flipped town and yet your read on me stayed.
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If by "excuse" you mean a "good reason", then yes.
Wouldn't I have been safer staying off that wagon if I were scum?
As you said, you see scum rodemy avoiding town lynches and goin for the busses, so why would I do the thing where i... didn't do that?
Kj was gonna get lynched anyway, so why would I, as scum, hop onto a town wagon that was already getting lynched.
So it's tom and Terry.
EL, d1, straight up caught scum. You can tell he was nervous.
Tom townreads him... for a real vote? Yet the reason for that vote was super ****in scummy.
If you recall the SL/El situation, it breaks down to EL calling SL's question about who the best scum player is "leading"
He brushes off all my attempts to ask him about it, why he voted if he didn't think it was scummy.. yada yada. Ragequits.
I think.. he was scum.
Not to mention this Interaction...
"Hey you did a scummy thing"
"I totally did. I hate rvs tho. If not for rvs, i wouldn't have voted, but rvs.. "
Note that here he says he found the question scummy yet IN HIS VERY NEXT POST:
So that's enough for me to want to lynch.
Quoting this for the lulz. Because, if it is tom and terry, tubba was actually not bussed. At all.
This is funny because It's like he just forgot that he moved 4 PEOPLE to zionite.
Also, let's not forget lngrr hadn't flipped yet.
Which is when I remembered.
He fooled me, but pizza and shadow went hard. I can't imagine 3 buddies thinking it would blow over.
It's, like, the naturalest bus ever.
Possible scum teams:
Rodemy & JeyK
Rodemy & Shadow
Rodemy & Tom
Rodemy alone
Tom & JeyK
Tom & Shadow
Tom & Rodemy
Tom Alone
I think two scum going head to head like this in LyLo is preposterous. So we'll eliminate that team.
This is the hardest one to glean something off of based on flips, with only 1 confirmed town on and two off this mislynch.
The only person that wasn't on the LNG Lynch was Rodemy. Instead, him and LNG were both on Tom.
The only person that wasn't on the Tubba Lynch was Tom, who instead was on JeyK with LNG, but again LNG was on Tom.
Tubba and Rodemy were both not on the Zionite Lynch, everyone else alive was. Tubba and Rod were voting Jey K.
For the Grapefruit Lynch, Tubba was on Jey K again. LNG and Jey K were on Kaba and Rod was on Killjoy. Leaving the only potential scum on Grape, Shadow and Tom, with NO OTHER confirmed scum.
No one on Grapefruit day 1 has flipped scum, with two potential scum (Shadow and Tom). LNG hammered Zionite and we have 3 potential scum on that mislynch. When we get around to actually lynching scum Tubba there are zero flipped scum and three potential. When we Lynch LNG, we have the same. The mislynch on Killjoy has three unknowns, but it has Rodemy AND Tom on it, meaning that there was AT LEAST 1 scum on that Lynch.
Notes on Rodemy: On 1 Mislynch (KJ), On 1 Scum Lynch (Tubba), Off 2 mislynches (Zionite and Grape), Off 1 scum Lynch (LNG)
Notes on Tom: On all 3 mislynches (Grape, Zionite and Killjoy), on 1 scum Lynch (LNG), off 0 mislynches, off 1 scum Lynch (Tubba)
Notes on Shadow: On ALL 5 lynches, 3 mis, 2 scum.
Notes on JeyK: On 1 mislynch (Zionite), On both scum lynches, off 2 mislynches (Grape and Killjoy).
@Tom: Why didn't you Lynch Tubba?