I should also note that shadow says the exact same thing as Rhand in the very next post, #554, and yet that statement was singlehandedly enough reason for WG to Town-read Rhand yet he's still scum-reading shadow in #561? So there's another part of his inconsistency on shadow.
Votecount 2.5 has been fixed (again) to include Shinichi's vote on Prophylaxis. I could have sworn I saw him unvote, but upon review, I don't see it. I apologize for any confusion this caused.
Do you see why I was so testy now? If I didn't wake up in middle of the night and hammer it would have been a no lynch. This waiting till the last minute to lynch some one doesn't happen again.
While I can't deny that I don't like this lynch at all from a player perspective, from a game health perspective we probably just prevented yet another replacement from entering the game so I guess this was the best lynch from that standpoint.
Oh well, we'll see. If Wheat flips scum, then blame me for defending him to the death. I don't really think that slot is going to flip scum, though.
Do you see why I was so testy now? If I didn't wake up in middle of the night and hammer it would have been a no lynch. This waiting till the last minute to lynch some one doesn't happen again.
No faith
Understandably so, but no faith nonetheless.
I wanted to wait as half the game didn't check in once it was becoming clear that Wheat was going to be the lynch and wanted to give a window to do so.
Note that, based on the votes here, if Wheat flips Mafia our PoE basically becomes Shinichi+Proph+shadow, which is pretty tiny and practically guarantees a win.
Cuz Vaimes+AG+QH have been parked on Wheat and not in a bussing manner, Terry hammered when it wouldn't've made him look bad at all not to do so, and Grapefruit's slow transition to a Wheat vote was pretty Townie.
(Whereas if he flips Town my salt at # in particular is gonna be off the ******* charts. The sodium levels will double the blood pressure of everyone in my entire apartment complex. But it'll make Shinichi a lot less suspicious; I'm pretty sure my focus will be AG tomorrow in that case.)
I have nothing to report. No one gave me any presents, no one invited me to their couch. Yeah! No one was killed! Boo, that makes things harder to solve. I'd like to talk about the tell I saw yesterday regarding RE and EL, but will wait for everyone to check in and give us any updates they feel necessary.
Also I won't be as active Today as I was Yesterday because my Champs game is starting and will consume a large portion of my time.
I will try to find the time to case Quickhoodies though. I am not a fan of his push on Wheat, plus the fact that he has not done any real time interaction this game.
Still sticking to what I said yesterDay: a Wheat Town-flip in this situation (in addition to making me salty as ****) makes me very disinterested in a Shinichi lynch toDay, and I'd like to look into AG for now.
EL what are your thoughts on Quickhoodies, specifically re: Quick's push on Wheat, plus the fact that Quick admitted that he was willing to vote Shinichi at EoD because.. reasons?
I was seriously tinfoiling the possibility of Shinichi town last Night.
While we're on the subject of conspiracy theories: what odds do you put on Vaimes being scum and immediately announcing the Vanilla Cop thing in order to put pressure to claim on a Town power role (AG), so that scum could lynch the PR that day? I was doing a bit of tinfoil-hatting myself, and that sequence suddenly occurred to me.
As I've stated before, I...have absolutely no idea how to read Quickhoodies. I'm just not grokking his posting style. That makes me inherently suspicious of him, but I don't think that's fair.
I'll try to reread and get a better feel for him over the next couple days.
I do agree that his stated voting preferences are iffy, though. Quickhoodies, can we get an updated full reads list from you?
I don't think there is a direct connection between Vaimes claiming his result and my claim. They were independent events that just happened to coincide. I did not intend to claim D2 prior to getting wagoned.
What I'm getting at is...Are you fairly confident that there's no way Vaimes would have known it was you who gave him the ability? Your Role PM is quite clear that the gift is fully anonymous?
I'd wager the PR who gave me the ability is town. If mafia gave it to me, then they risk me checking a PR buddy who might want to claim Vanilla, or checking a Goon who might want to fakeclaim PR.
Scum would only give me the ability for towncred, but that's a lot thinner.
Ok thanks then its safe to say the person who gave you it is town, and i think i can figure out who gave you the aiblity just from this information.
I don't think Shinichi ever explained who he was thinking of here.
What I'm getting at is...Are you fairly confident that there's no way Vaimes would have known it was you who gave him the ability? Your Role PM is quite clear that the gift is fully anonymous?
I was seriously tinfoiling the possibility of Shinichi town last Night.
While we're on the subject of conspiracy theories: what odds do you put on Vaimes being scum and immediately announcing the Vanilla Cop thing in order to put pressure to claim on a Town power role (AG), so that scum could lynch the PR that day? I was doing a bit of tinfoil-hatting myself, and that sequence suddenly occurred to me.
I believe its possible but what purpose does it show? Other than connecting the 2 if 1 may flip scum.
I'd wager the PR who gave me the ability is town. If mafia gave it to me, then they risk me checking a PR buddy who might want to claim Vanilla, or checking a Goon who might want to fakeclaim PR.
Scum would only give me the ability for towncred, but that's a lot thinner.
Ok thanks then its safe to say the person who gave you it is town, and i think i can figure out who gave you the aiblity just from this information.
I don't think Shinichi ever explained who he was thinking of here.
WHy does this matter now? At the time sure I believed that but boy have times changed my friend.
While we're on the subject of conspiracy theories: what odds do you put on Vaimes being scum and immediately announcing the Vanilla Cop thing in order to put pressure to claim on a Town power role (AG), so that scum could lynch the PR that day? I was doing a bit of tinfoil-hatting myself, and that sequence suddenly occurred to me.
I kind of want more participation from Vaimes Today since it sort of felt like he was a little disengaged/dropped off towards the second half of Day 2, but I don't think he is scum. I am like, slightly paranoid but if he's scum we can lynch his buddies first.
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As I've stated before, I...have absolutely no idea how to read Quickhoodies. I'm just not grokking his posting style. That makes me inherently suspicious of him, but I don't think that's fair.
I'll try to reread and get a better feel for him over the next couple days.
Fair enough. It's just that I feel like he's gone largely under the radar and I would like the spotlight to be put on him, especially since he hasn't done any sort of real time interaction.
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Talk to me about town Shin. I want to hear the reasoning, because I can kind of see it, but Shin just hasn't done anything townie.
I think there should be no doubt that AG is the first candidate to look at today.
Not Shinichi?
As for my reasoning, it's mostly gut. I was seriously afraid that Shinichi/Wheat were town/town wagons Yesterday and the scum were just laughing while we ate ourselves alive. Plus these posts are making me second guess myself:
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So ya i work through phase change, so idk what your all planning to do.I promise you this I will flip town sadly, but that is do to my own terrible plays at times.
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Most if not all my actions tend to be scummy, so if you think i created an escape hatch cause i am scum then hammer me right now.
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.... I feel like this is something I hinted at in an earlier post, but the only one who replied to it was EL himself so I didn't get to really put much thought into it. The problem I have in this situation is;
1. I'll be a miss lynch
2. The WG lynch will most likely be a flop if people are not positive that he will flip scum.
I think scum!Shinichi could have easily self-pres'd as scum by voting Wheat but he didn't. I dunno. I still think that he is plausible scum but I feel like backing off on him for now as opposed to making him the center of conversation will allow me to get a better read on him.
What I'm getting at is...Are you fairly confident that there's no way Vaimes would have known it was you who gave him the ability? Your Role PM is quite clear that the gift is fully anonymous?
- if so, he would've immediately told his factional Night-chat if he were scum
- they would've then seen a good opportunity to mislynch a Townie the next day, knowing that AG wouldn't be able to get himself off the hook by role-claiming at L-1; after all, his ability is widely seen as a scum ability
Thus, my questioning involved verifying or disproving the first part of that, which would make the whole sequence plausible if we had any other reasons to scum-read Vaimes (and Terry offered a few yesterDay that I was starting to consider more seriously). AG seems pretty confident that Vaimes wouldn't've known, so I'm throwing that theory out the window.
@Shinichi: because your reasoning could be interesting to see. I'm curious what caused you to conclude that you knew who it was and why such a conclusion pointed towards them being town.
One its quite possible AG trying to bring up ***** to get me in hot water again
Why.. are you concerned about that, though? Your concern if you're town is to hunt the scum, correct?
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If what Lurker is saying was quite possible both vaimes and AG would be scum
..But you have a townread on Vaimes, right?
And how does this match up with what you said, earlier:
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Honestly AG seems like the best bet for a lynch, seeing as how people question the authenticity of his role which would, in turn, clear vaimes pretty hard. It would also help us to understand the possibility of scum having these unorthodox power roles, I mean I've seen two mafia doctors at this point so it's quite possible a scum aligned cop could be in play.
Also, your vote was on me when the Day ended. What do you think of my alignment now?
Nevermind, I'm an idiot. I was thinking that in that situation Vaimes could pressure generically without knowing who the shot was from to out the person. I'm an idiot.
A quick look through votecounts from both Days thus far shows that AG has always voted alongside either Vaimes or QH. Terry's scum-trio suggestion from yesterDay is making me sad.
@Proph: I have a Town-read on Vaimes too, but that doesn't mean we ignore all possibilities to the contrary. Also, didn't you say you were gonna back off Shinichi to get reads from him while he wasn't under pressure? I know, it's hard to resist the temptation cuz every other post he makes feels like a scum post, but.... {:^#{{
Nevermind, I'm an idiot. I was thinking that in that situation Vaimes could pressure generically without knowing who the shot was from to out the person. I'm an idiot.
I mean, he totally could have done that, but I don't think he did? So the point is moot. I'll reread Day Two and double-check if he did, but honestly the main person who was trying to get more information about the role seemed to be Shinichi, which contributed to my scum-read of him.
What I'm getting at is...Are you fairly confident that there's no way Vaimes would have known it was you who gave him the ability? Your Role PM is quite clear that the gift is fully anonymous?
This feels like a scum post.
Why?
Also, what do you think of Quickhoodies?
I had town feeling on him D1. D2 made no impression and I was carrying those town vibes until I realized he'd made about 20 posts this game. I need more. I'd PoE lynch him if I didn't have a better lead.
One its quite possible AG trying to bring up ***** to get me in hot water again
Why.. are you concerned about that, though? Your concern if you're town is to hunt the scum, correct?
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If what Lurker is saying was quite possible both vaimes and AG would be scum
..But you have a townread on Vaimes, right?
And how does this match up with what you said, earlier:
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Honestly AG seems like the best bet for a lynch, seeing as how people question the authenticity of his role which would, in turn, clear vaimes pretty hard. It would also help us to understand the possibility of scum having these unorthodox power roles, I mean I've seen two mafia doctors at this point so it's quite possible a scum aligned cop could be in play.
Also, your vote was on me when the Day ended. What do you think of my alignment now?
Not saying i scum read vaimes tho, Im just stating that if what lurker says holds up to be true then they're both scum lol. Was mostly cause I don't see why town would need to bring up such an old question into play.
Like i said i believe 1 person on that train is scum
@Proph: I have a Town-read on Vaimes too, but that doesn't mean we ignore all possibilities to the contrary. Also, didn't you say you were gonna back off Shinichi to get reads from him while he wasn't under pressure? I know, it's hard to resist the temptation cuz every other post he makes feels like a scum post, but.... {:^#{{
I am simply asking him questions about what he is posting. I am not voting him and railroading him like I did Yesterday.
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Not saying i scum read vaimes tho, Im just stating that if what lurker says holds up to be true then they're both scum lol. Was mostly cause I don't see why town would need to bring up such an old question into play.
Like i said i believe 1 person on that train is scum
I bring up old questions all the time. Why do you think that town would not bring that up?
Do you think EL's hypothesis is true? And who do you think on that train is scum?
Vote: Wheat_Grinder
Unvote, Vote wheat
Votecount 2.6 - With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Shinichi (2): shadowlancerx, Wheat_Grinder
Wheat_Grinder (6): Quickhoodies, AtheistGod, Vaimes, RE1031, EternalLurker, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Prophylaxis (1): Shinichi
AtheistGod (1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting: Prophylaxis
As of post #1503, that's a lynch.
Please inform me of any errors.
There will be a short twilight; you may continue posting until Day ends.
Oh well, we'll see. If Wheat flips scum, then blame me for defending him to the death. I don't really think that slot is going to flip scum, though.
Currently in Canada without mobile data access, then my Champs game is going to start, and yeah.
No faith
Understandably so, but no faith nonetheless.
I wanted to wait as half the game didn't check in once it was becoming clear that Wheat was going to be the lynch and wanted to give a window to do so.
Cuz Vaimes+AG+QH have been parked on Wheat and not in a bussing manner, Terry hammered when it wouldn't've made him look bad at all not to do so, and Grapefruit's slow transition to a Wheat vote was pretty Townie.
(Whereas if he flips Town my salt at # in particular is gonna be off the ******* charts. The sodium levels will double the blood pressure of everyone in my entire apartment complex. But it'll make Shinichi a lot less suspicious; I'm pretty sure my focus will be AG tomorrow in that case.)
Wheat_Grinder has been lynched.
He was:
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Vote Quickhoodies
Also I think shadow is town because reasons.
I will try to find the time to case Quickhoodies though. I am not a fan of his push on Wheat, plus the fact that he has not done any real time interaction this game.
No Night updates from me.
I'll try to reread and get a better feel for him over the next couple days.
I do agree that his stated voting preferences are iffy, though. Quickhoodies, can we get an updated full reads list from you?
I don't think Shinichi ever explained who he was thinking of here.
Talk to me about town Shin. I want to hear the reasoning, because I can kind of see it, but Shin just hasn't done anything townie.
I think there should be no doubt that AG is the first candidate to look at today.
That decision...interests me, but I think it's NAI cuz analyzing it involves swimming through wine.
This feels like a scum post.
Since Shadow has claimed I figured it would be more direct than that. I could very well be wrong but I'm not convinced.
I believe its possible but what purpose does it show? Other than connecting the 2 if 1 may flip scum.
WHy does this matter now? At the time sure I believed that but boy have times changed my friend.
Elaborate.
Fair enough. It's just that I feel like he's gone largely under the radar and I would like the spotlight to be put on him, especially since he hasn't done any sort of real time interaction.
Not Shinichi?
As for my reasoning, it's mostly gut. I was seriously afraid that Shinichi/Wheat were town/town wagons Yesterday and the scum were just laughing while we ate ourselves alive. Plus these posts are making me second guess myself:
I think scum!Shinichi could have easily self-pres'd as scum by voting Wheat but he didn't. I dunno. I still think that he is plausible scum but I feel like backing off on him for now as opposed to making him the center of conversation will allow me to get a better read on him.
Why?
Also, what do you think of Quickhoodies?
Your premise doesn't remotely match your line of questioning.
- maybe Vaimes knew AG gave him the ability
- if so, he would've immediately told his factional Night-chat if he were scum
- they would've then seen a good opportunity to mislynch a Townie the next day, knowing that AG wouldn't be able to get himself off the hook by role-claiming at L-1; after all, his ability is widely seen as a scum ability
Thus, my questioning involved verifying or disproving the first part of that, which would make the whole sequence plausible if we had any other reasons to scum-read Vaimes (and Terry offered a few yesterDay that I was starting to consider more seriously). AG seems pretty confident that Vaimes wouldn't've known, so I'm throwing that theory out the window.
Sooo...again, lolwtf?
Explain to me how these two questions help you figure out who the scum are?
One its quite possible AG trying to bring up ***** to get me in hot water again
If what Lurker is saying was quite possible both vaimes and AG would be scum
..But you have a townread on Vaimes, right?
And how does this match up with what you said, earlier:
Also, your vote was on me when the Day ended. What do you think of my alignment now?
@Proph: I have a Town-read on Vaimes too, but that doesn't mean we ignore all possibilities to the contrary. Also, didn't you say you were gonna back off Shinichi to get reads from him while he wasn't under pressure? I know, it's hard to resist the temptation cuz every other post he makes feels like a scum post, but.... {:^#{{
I had town feeling on him D1. D2 made no impression and I was carrying those town vibes until I realized he'd made about 20 posts this game. I need more. I'd PoE lynch him if I didn't have a better lead.
Not saying i scum read vaimes tho, Im just stating that if what lurker says holds up to be true then they're both scum lol. Was mostly cause I don't see why town would need to bring up such an old question into play.
Like i said i believe 1 person on that train is scum
I bring up old questions all the time. Why do you think that town would not bring that up?
Do you think EL's hypothesis is true? And who do you think on that train is scum?