/corroborate the above.
I think we really need Shin's flip to actually move forward the gamestate. Also, might be a good idea for a protective role to target me tonight, since I should be basically lock clear with a scum!shin flip.
I have stated this myself, even though it would be nice to not have a mislynch. You'll pretty much lock yourself in two options which both I believe are town I mean obviously I am lol, but I still think Wg actions/posts aren't as bad as people make them out to be.
/corroborate the above.
I think we really need Shin's flip to actually move forward the gamestate. Also, might be a good idea for a protective role to target me tonight since I should be basically lock clear with a scum!shin flip.
Oh wow, i missed this, hmm your roles alignment is even cleared so this is just off the charts bad coming from you. What happens if I flip town in this situation, you're basically telling the mafia ok your welcome to attack anyone but me. Another problem it creates is if by any chance we don't have a protective role you're trying very hard to make it look like your town by making sure you have a reason to explain scum won't hit you.
@EL: Don't twist my words. You know very well that you came in pushing a WG or Shin Lynch and have continued to do so all day. That's what you're getting, so yes I reaffirm that I feel like you came in a began controlling things and are getting exactly what you want. I think you are town and I really hope you are town, but you can NOT fault me for being suspicious.
Sorry for...being convincing? Making good points? I wasn't aware these were scum-tells in your meta.
But no, Shinichi was gonna be lynched yesterDay, so it really doesn't mean anything that I put him back on people's radars; Town did the rest of the work building up that wagon without me. Only Wheat's wagon can be considered to be mostly my doing, because him turning on AG suddenly made everyone see it as impossible for him to be scum for some wild reason, and I didn't wanna let Town fall into that trap.
Honestly, right now I'm becoming rather disappointed in a Shinichi lynch over a Wheat one, so no, I'm really not getting what I want out of this. The way each of them reacted to becoming the two primary wagons of the Day has massively spiked my Wheat-as-scum reads while actually somewhat dampening my Shinichi-as-scum reads, especially when considering Proph's reactions as well.
I brought it up to somewhere how I didn't like the fact that you came into the game jumping on the two highest lynch candidates. Depending on how you approach that situation and on how you word it sure it could be scummy that situation is quite possible.
Normally people that like to control the flow of the game are scum because having control as scum is probably the best situation as long as you don't lead a lot of Mis lynches.
Honestly AG seems like the best bet for a lynch, seeing as how people question the authenticity of his role which would, in turn, clear vaimes pretty hard. It would also help us to understand the possibility of scum having these unorthodox power roles, I mean I've seen two mafia doctors at this point so it's quite possible a scum aligned cop could be in play.
Actually without the amount of power roles that have claimed why is a vanilla cop even necessary?
Honestly AG seems like the best bet for a lynch, seeing as how people question the authenticity of his role which would, in turn, clear vaimes pretty hard. It would also help us to understand the possibility of scum having these unorthodox power roles, I mean I've seen two mafia doctors at this point so it's quite possible a scum aligned cop could be in play.
Actually without the amount of power roles that have claimed why is a vanilla cop even necessary?
Role/vanilla cops are almost always scum aligned because it says nothing about the alignment of the player. Which mafia already knows. When they are town they are better served as being kept quiet to confirm people's claims as being truthful or not. That's why the particular design of this cop has me scratching my head. As for the latter part more than half the game has not claimed at all at this stage.
Deadline is Friday, July 21st, at 9am MDT, which is less than 16 hours from now.
So ya looking at this vote count, only one i believe that is scum on my train is quite possibly shadow. Only problem I have here is he's the first vote either hes absolutely confident he caught scum, or he's scum trying to get town cred by leading a so called scum aligned train.
It's not just about the relationship between them; the two are independently scummy. I get that and agree with it 100%, although I'd argue to the end of time that Wheat's been much more so than Shinichi.
However, we can't lynch the two simultaneously, so it's important to figure out which flip will be more useful to us toDay. There are only four possible factional configurations for those two: Mafia-Wheat + Mafia-Shin, M-W + Town-Shin, T-W + M-S, and T-W + T-S. I'm considering the relationship between them in each of these configurations and thus trying to figure out who is the better first lynch.
In the event that they're both Mafia, it doesn't matter who we lynch first, so we can ignore configuration #1. However, of the other three configurations, I think a Wheat flip does more to potentially clear Shinichi than a Shin flip does to clear Wheat.
In premise #1, I was describing configurations 2 or 3, in which one of them is Town and one of them is Mafia. I noted that this seems to be the gamestate most people are reading at the moment, and I was arguing why Wheat is more likely to be the scum in that situation. But I didn't mean to imply that I was inherently ruling out configuration 4, the Town+Town situation which I addressed in premise #2. It just wasn't part of the initial argument because it didn't impact that argument in any way, since one of them is going to be lynched no matter what toDay due to the current wagons.
If you want some crappy guesstimated math for further illustration of my second point...Right now, my odds on those four configurations, respectively, are about 40% (M-W+M-S) / 35% (M-W+T-S) / 5% (T-W+M-S) / 20% (T-W+T-S). So a Wheat Town-flip gives Shinichi 4:1 odds of being Town in my books, whereas a Shinichi Town-flip gives Wheat only 4:7 odds of being Town. A Wheat Town-flip potentially helps us a lot more. (And, of course, with regard to information it's the potential Town-flips that primarily have to be considered; Mafia-flips are helpful regardless of whether or not they give us information.)
Also in no way does Shin's defense read as genuine, just anti-opportunistic. Which has kind of been his thing all game.
When "anti-opportunistic" includes passing on the opportunity to divert people onto a counter-wagon to save yourself...I find it difficult to scum-read "anti-opportunistic" behavior like that. Pouncing on available opportunities is a Mafia thing, not a Town thing. I don't really see your point.
For a comparison, Shinichi is being wishy-washy and always leaving himself openings, much like Terry. The difference is that Terry is actually jumping on those openings all the time to throw shade at people, while Shinichi generally isn't.
And does Wheat's vote still count while a replacement is being sought?
Don't see why it wouldn't. The spirit of a replacement is that it's the same slot and shouldn't be acting massively different, so until the replacement's in (assuming he doesn't get lynched toDay to avoid even needing one) we shouldn't expect anything different from Wheat's behavior. This includes his vote placement.
Oh shut up EL, you can not come into this game and discourage players from speaking their opinion by calling it "Throwing Shade" every time it doesn't favor you.
Oh shut up EL, you can not come into this game and discourage players from speaking their opinion by calling it "Throwing Shade" every time it doesn't favor you.
/corroborate the above.
I think we really need Shin's flip to actually move forward the gamestate. Also, might be a good idea for a protective role to target me tonight since I should be basically lock clear with a scum!shin flip.
Oh wow, i missed this, hmm your roles alignment is even cleared so this is just off the charts bad coming from you. What happens if I flip town in this situation, you're basically telling the mafia ok your welcome to attack anyone but me. Another problem it creates is if by any chance we don't have a protective role you're trying very hard to make it look like your town by making sure you have a reason to explain scum won't hit you.
Wait, how is my role's alignment cleared? Also, if you were actually town, there is no way that:
1. Scum actually kill me, that's such an easy push at this point if we're both town,
2. A protective targets me.
So unless I was scum exactly with you, I'd have no need for a reason for "scum not to hit me".
Anyone unconvinced, that post basically has to come from scum!Shinichi because the angle he takes doesn't make sense from town!shinichi.
@EternalLurker I largely agree with the first half of this. I'd move the percentages around slightly, but I agree with your premise. I just feel you are by focusing so much on the Wheat interactions ignoring large chunks of Shin's behavior. But I get it more now.
As for Shin I was saying anti opportunistic because it isn't scummy. But it's not inherently townie either. It's just kind of there. I'll reread Wheat again tonight.
/corroborate the above.
I think we really need Shin's flip to actually move forward the gamestate. Also, might be a good idea for a protective role to target me tonight since I should be basically lock clear with a scum!shin flip.
Oh wow, i missed this, hmm your roles alignment is even cleared so this is just off the charts bad coming from you. What happens if I flip town in this situation, you're basically telling the mafia ok your welcome to attack anyone but me. Another problem it creates is if by any chance we don't have a protective role you're trying very hard to make it look like your town by making sure you have a reason to explain scum won't hit you.
Wait, how is my role's alignment cleared? Also, if you were actually town, there is no way that:
1. Scum actually kill me, that's such an easy push at this point if we're both town,
2. A protective targets me.
So unless I was scum exactly with you, I'd have no need for a reason for "scum not to hit me".
Anyone unconvinced, that post basically has to come from scum!Shinichi because the angle he takes doesn't make sense from town!shinichi.
@EternalLurker I largely agree with the first half of this. I'd move the percentages around slightly, but I agree with your premise. I just feel you are by focusing so much on the Wheat interactions ignoring large chunks of Shin's behavior. But I get it more now.
As for Shin I was saying anti opportunistic because it isn't scummy. But it's not inherently townie either. It's just kind of there. I'll reread Wheat again tonight.
Unvote
I have a good recap on the previous page. If you're re-reading do shin, I couldn't get through it before I left work
I'm going to be so pissed if this is the case, but they way the shin lynch has stalled and the wg voters, besides EL have just melted away, content with the stagnation is making me take a deep hard look at Ag, V, and Qh. AG is just lurking to the max and vaimes and Qh are just kind of twiddling their thumbs waiting for the day to end
I'm seriously panicking. Day ends in less then 12 hours. Most of which are during sleepy time. I'm just going to say it out loud and deal with whatever scum throw at me later. I think both are probably town, but I would hammer the pissed out of either if the just for reads and even a chance at scum. We shod seriously consider which lynch gives us the most info if they flip town.
Vaimes isn't twiddling his thumbs; he's commented and queried about the situation. If deadline approaches I'm sure he'll switch and hammer Shinichi, or I will if he's not in at the time. He and I would just prefer a Wheat lynch, so we'll drag this out as long as necessary. Rushing the Day isn't a necessity while there are two wagons close to completion.
Vaimes was the one who was fighting as hard as possible to avoid a No Lynch at the end of Day One; I guarantee you that he's not gonna be content with another on Day Two.
AG, on the other hand, has been doing nothing for a long time and I don't think he announced a V/LA, although I'd have to double-check. Again, he's one of my top targets tomorrow if Wheat flips Town, although if Wheat flips Mafia I'm entirely unconcerned about AG for fairly obvious reasons.
I'll readily admit that Quickhoodies is the hardest person in the thread for me to read, which is why I haven't really commented on him at all. He's just perpetually null to me. I leave any judgment of him for others to decide.
I'm not certain when deadline is, but I'll be up at around 8am EST so hopefully there'll be time to switch wagons if necessary.
JT, every mislynch before xylo isn't a huge deal as long as it helps us solve the game. Waiting until now to tinfoil "both wagons are town" worlds does no one any good since there's virtually on time to change it, and if we No Lynch again I'm going to vomit all over this thread.
Shinichi is not at all someone I'd want floating around in endgame without like, a cop check. He's lynchbait to the max, despite being a PR, which really sucks. I think EL has raised some good points on the WG being scum (or rather, the points Proph/people have raised don't really cut it for me).
/corroborate the above.
I think we really need Shin's flip to actually move forward the gamestate. Also, might be a good idea for a protective role to target me tonight since I should be basically lock clear with a scum!shin flip.
Oh wow, i missed this, hmm your roles alignment is even cleared so this is just off the charts bad coming from you. What happens if I flip town in this situation, you're basically telling the mafia ok your welcome to attack anyone but me. Another problem it creates is if by any chance we don't have a protective role you're trying very hard to make it look like your town by making sure you have a reason to explain scum won't hit you.
Wait, how is my role's alignment cleared? Also, if you were actually town, there is no way that:
1. Scum actually kill me, that's such an easy push at this point if we're both town,
2. A protective targets me.
So unless I was scum exactly with you, I'd have no need for a reason for "scum not to hit me".
Anyone unconvinced, that post basically has to come from scum!Shinichi because the angle he takes doesn't make sense from town!shinichi.
*isn't my bad. I type really fast
How do you know who mafia would target? Most can't figure out the first night kill lol.
@EternalLurker I largely agree with the first half of this. I'd move the percentages around slightly, but I agree with your premise. I just feel you are by focusing so much on the Wheat interactions ignoring large chunks of Shin's behavior. But I get it more now.
As for Shin I was saying anti opportunistic because it isn't scummy. But it's not inherently townie either. It's just kind of there. I'll reread Wheat again tonight.
I just don't know what to do with that sort of reply Shin. You quoted me unvoting.
@EL I read your case again and double checked Wheat today. I still have some reservations because I'm trying to figure out why people flipped so heavily against Wheat today (I'm not buying your theory on Vaimes) but I'll hammer if you don't have the votes tomorrow.
Vaimes isn't twiddling his thumbs; he's commented and queried about the situation. If deadline approaches I'm sure he'll switch and hammer Shinichi, or I will if he's not in at the time. He and I would just prefer a Wheat lynch, so we'll drag this out as long as necessary. Rushing the Day isn't a necessity while there are two wagons close to completion.
Vaimes was the one who was fighting as hard as possible to avoid a No Lynch at the end of Day One; I guarantee you that he's not gonna be content with another on Day Two.
AG, on the other hand, has been doing nothing for a long time and I don't think he announced a V/LA, although I'd have to double-check. Again, he's one of my top targets tomorrow if Wheat flips Town, although if Wheat flips Mafia I'm entirely unconcerned about AG for fairly obvious reasons.
I'll readily admit that Quickhoodies is the hardest person in the thread for me to read, which is why I haven't really commented on him at all. He's just perpetually null to me. I leave any judgment of him for others to decide.
At this post, vaimes posted 3 times over the course of 4 days. Stop your bull
answer my question to you. How does your ability work mechanically with the magic order of action fix you got?
I choose someone during the day and that player gets a 1-shot vanilla cop shot that must be used that night and cannot be used alongside other night actions (possibility of exceptions here that weren't revealed to me).
answer my question to you. How does your ability work mechanically with the magic order of action fix you got?
I choose someone during the day and that player gets a 1-shot vanilla cop shot that must be used that night and cannot be used alongside other night actions (possibility of exceptions here that weren't revealed to me).
Does it say what type of results you get? I want details. Does it say just vanilla or not vanilla, or does it read like, it tells you if they have an ability ir not? Do mafia goons count as vanilla? Have you picked your target yet? Is there a legit reason the order of action doesn't apply to the ability you grant?
I'm so mad right now if vaimes and AG are scum. These are bull, prod dodging posts if I've ever seen it
All the more reason you should be voting Wheat instead of Shinichi. Wheat's flip can tell us a lot about Vaimes and AG, who've had votes parked on him for a long time while being fairly quiet. A Shinichi flip only really gives us information about Proph and Shadow, and I think Wheat tells us enough about Proph anyway, so it'd just be Shadow -- who I find significantly less worrisome than AG.
you've been cruising, doing nothing. You're supposed to be town. Start acting like it.
As long as I'm meeting the posting requirements, I will play as often or as little as I please, thanks. I have plenty of posts for you to reread if you're feeling shaky on my alignment.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but most sites don't have deadlines this long, and I get bored as we get closer to EoD.
answer my question to you. How does your ability work mechanically with the magic order of action fix you got?
I choose someone during the day and that player gets a 1-shot vanilla cop shot that must be used that night and cannot be used alongside other night actions (possibility of exceptions here that weren't revealed to me).
Does it say what type of results you get? I want details. Does it say just vanilla or not vanilla, or does it read like, it tells you if they have an ability ir not? Do mafia goons count as vanilla? Have you picked your target yet? Is there a legit reason the order of action doesn't apply to the ability you grant?
The results are "vanilla" and "non-vanilla". I'm fairly certain that goons count as vanilla, but am getting confirmation from Cantrip. I have picked a target for N2. I have no idea why the order of actions doesn't apply. All I know on that front is that the mod posted that it didn't follow the order of actions.
I'm so mad right now if vaimes and AG are scum. These are bull, prod dodging posts if I've ever seen it
All the more reason you should be voting Wheat instead of Shinichi. Wheat's flip can tell us a lot about Vaimes and AG, who've had votes parked on him for a long time while being fairly quiet. A Shinichi flip only really gives us information about Proph and Shadow, and I think Wheat tells us enough about Proph anyway, so it'd just be Shadow -- who I find significantly less worrisome than AG.
ARe you reading the same game? Look at what ag just did when proded. No content, just filler making shin work while ag tries to look interested. To me, it looks like ag and vaimes are just hoping to sit this storm out. Vaimes is a good player and he has not helped us in this situation at all. They are scum and I'm now pissed at the way my trap was nerfed.
I'm so mad right now if vaimes and AG are scum. These are bull, prod dodging posts if I've ever seen it
All the more reason you should be voting Wheat instead of Shinichi. Wheat's flip can tell us a lot about Vaimes and AG, who've had votes parked on him for a long time while being fairly quiet. A Shinichi flip only really gives us information about Proph and Shadow, and I think Wheat tells us enough about Proph anyway, so it'd just be Shadow -- who I find significantly less worrisome than AG.
ARe you reading the same game? Look at what ag just did when proded. No content, just filler making shin work while ag tries to look interested. To me, it looks like ag and vaimes are just hoping to sit this storm out. Vaimes is a good player and he has not helped us in this situation at all. They are scum and I'm now pissed at the way my trap was nerfed.
What is the problem with asking Shinichi's top 2 scum reads? Do you have the answer to that question?
I don't really know what you want from me. I think you're just salty @ your plan not getting me lynched, which is weird considering your whole "you're supposed to be town" line. What does that even mean, if you think I'm mafia?
you've been cruising, doing nothing. You're supposed to be town. Start acting like it.
As long as I'm meeting the posting requirements, I will play as often or as little as I please, thanks. I have plenty of posts for you to reread if you're feeling shaky on my alignment.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but most sites don't have deadlines this long, and I get bored as we get closer to EoD.
I expected more from you. You get to post as much or little as you want. I guess I just had higher hopes for you if you were town
I'm so mad right now if vaimes and AG are scum. These are bull, prod dodging posts if I've ever seen it
All the more reason you should be voting Wheat instead of Shinichi. Wheat's flip can tell us a lot about Vaimes and AG, who've had votes parked on him for a long time while being fairly quiet. A Shinichi flip only really gives us information about Proph and Shadow, and I think Wheat tells us enough about Proph anyway, so it'd just be Shadow -- who I find significantly less worrisome than AG.
ARe you reading the same game? Look at what ag just did when proded. No content, just filler making shin work while ag tries to look interested. To me, it looks like ag and vaimes are just hoping to sit this storm out. Vaimes is a good player and he has not helped us in this situation at all. They are scum and I'm now pissed at the way my trap was nerfed.
What is the problem with asking Shinichi's top 2 scum reads? Do you have the answer to that question?
It's a stalling technique. Read shin's post and figure it out.
I don't really know what you want from me. I think you're just salty @ your plan not getting me lynched, which is weird considering your whole "you're supposed to be town" line. What does that even mean, if you think I'm mafia?
I don't really know what you want from me. I think you're just salty @ your plan not getting me lynched, which is weird considering your whole "you're supposed to be town" line. What does that even mean, if you think I'm mafia?
Yeah, you're supposed to be town because i have a hard time figuring out a scenerio that makes sense with you as scum and Cantrip saving you.
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I have stated this myself, even though it would be nice to not have a mislynch. You'll pretty much lock yourself in two options which both I believe are town I mean obviously I am lol, but I still think Wg actions/posts aren't as bad as people make them out to be.
Oh wow, i missed this, hmm your roles alignment is even cleared so this is just off the charts bad coming from you. What happens if I flip town in this situation, you're basically telling the mafia ok your welcome to attack anyone but me. Another problem it creates is if by any chance we don't have a protective role you're trying very hard to make it look like your town by making sure you have a reason to explain scum won't hit you.
I brought it up to somewhere how I didn't like the fact that you came into the game jumping on the two highest lynch candidates. Depending on how you approach that situation and on how you word it sure it could be scummy that situation is quite possible.
Normally people that like to control the flow of the game are scum because having control as scum is probably the best situation as long as you don't lead a lot of Mis lynches.
Actually without the amount of power roles that have claimed why is a vanilla cop even necessary?
To catch the Mousie Gray;
But mousie hears her softly creep,
And quickly runs away!
Run, run, run little mouse,
Run back to your little house,
For Kitty White is coming near,
And she will catch her prey, I fear.
Votecount 2.5 - With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Shinichi (4): shadowlancerx, Grapefruit21, Wheat_Grinder, RE1031
Wheat_Grinder (4): Quickhoodies, AtheistGod, EternalLurker, Vaimes
Prophylaxis (1): Shinichi
Not Voting: Prophylaxis, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Please inform me of any errors.
Deadline is Friday, July 21st, at 9am MDT, which is less than 16 hours from now.
Role/vanilla cops are almost always scum aligned because it says nothing about the alignment of the player. Which mafia already knows. When they are town they are better served as being kept quiet to confirm people's claims as being truthful or not. That's why the particular design of this cop has me scratching my head. As for the latter part more than half the game has not claimed at all at this stage.
hmm?
So ya looking at this vote count, only one i believe that is scum on my train is quite possibly shadow. Only problem I have here is he's the first vote either hes absolutely confident he caught scum, or he's scum trying to get town cred by leading a so called scum aligned train.
Caught scum shutting down when they know their lynch is inevitable to avoid implicating teammates or clearing townies.
It's not just about the relationship between them; the two are independently scummy. I get that and agree with it 100%, although I'd argue to the end of time that Wheat's been much more so than Shinichi.
However, we can't lynch the two simultaneously, so it's important to figure out which flip will be more useful to us toDay. There are only four possible factional configurations for those two: Mafia-Wheat + Mafia-Shin, M-W + Town-Shin, T-W + M-S, and T-W + T-S. I'm considering the relationship between them in each of these configurations and thus trying to figure out who is the better first lynch.
In the event that they're both Mafia, it doesn't matter who we lynch first, so we can ignore configuration #1. However, of the other three configurations, I think a Wheat flip does more to potentially clear Shinichi than a Shin flip does to clear Wheat.
In premise #1, I was describing configurations 2 or 3, in which one of them is Town and one of them is Mafia. I noted that this seems to be the gamestate most people are reading at the moment, and I was arguing why Wheat is more likely to be the scum in that situation. But I didn't mean to imply that I was inherently ruling out configuration 4, the Town+Town situation which I addressed in premise #2. It just wasn't part of the initial argument because it didn't impact that argument in any way, since one of them is going to be lynched no matter what toDay due to the current wagons.
If you want some crappy guesstimated math for further illustration of my second point...Right now, my odds on those four configurations, respectively, are about 40% (M-W+M-S) / 35% (M-W+T-S) / 5% (T-W+M-S) / 20% (T-W+T-S). So a Wheat Town-flip gives Shinichi 4:1 odds of being Town in my books, whereas a Shinichi Town-flip gives Wheat only 4:7 odds of being Town. A Wheat Town-flip potentially helps us a lot more. (And, of course, with regard to information it's the potential Town-flips that primarily have to be considered; Mafia-flips are helpful regardless of whether or not they give us information.)
When "anti-opportunistic" includes passing on the opportunity to divert people onto a counter-wagon to save yourself...I find it difficult to scum-read "anti-opportunistic" behavior like that. Pouncing on available opportunities is a Mafia thing, not a Town thing. I don't really see your point.
For a comparison, Shinichi is being wishy-washy and always leaving himself openings, much like Terry. The difference is that Terry is actually jumping on those openings all the time to throw shade at people, while Shinichi generally isn't.
HAMMER VOTE: Shin
You can't hammer because you were already included in the vote count...
1. Scum actually kill me, that's such an easy push at this point if we're both town,
2. A protective targets me.
So unless I was scum exactly with you, I'd have no need for a reason for "scum not to hit me".
Anyone unconvinced, that post basically has to come from scum!Shinichi because the angle he takes doesn't make sense from town!shinichi.
As for Shin I was saying anti opportunistic because it isn't scummy. But it's not inherently townie either. It's just kind of there. I'll reread Wheat again tonight.
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Vaimes was the one who was fighting as hard as possible to avoid a No Lynch at the end of Day One; I guarantee you that he's not gonna be content with another on Day Two.
AG, on the other hand, has been doing nothing for a long time and I don't think he announced a V/LA, although I'd have to double-check. Again, he's one of my top targets tomorrow if Wheat flips Town, although if Wheat flips Mafia I'm entirely unconcerned about AG for fairly obvious reasons.
I'll readily admit that Quickhoodies is the hardest person in the thread for me to read, which is why I haven't really commented on him at all. He's just perpetually null to me. I leave any judgment of him for others to decide.
Getting into prod range at the Day's deadline without any V/LA notice is reeeeeeally irksome.
Wheat's vote stands unless someone replaces in and unvotes for him.
JT, every mislynch before xylo isn't a huge deal as long as it helps us solve the game. Waiting until now to tinfoil "both wagons are town" worlds does no one any good since there's virtually on time to change it, and if we No Lynch again I'm going to vomit all over this thread.
Shinichi is not at all someone I'd want floating around in endgame without like, a cop check. He's lynchbait to the max, despite being a PR, which really sucks. I think EL has raised some good points on the WG being scum (or rather, the points Proph/people have raised don't really cut it for me).
*isn't my bad. I type really fast
How do you know who mafia would target? Most can't figure out the first night kill lol.
I'm caught scum? Where did this sureness come from?
Yet your not voting me anymore?
@EL I read your case again and double checked Wheat today. I still have some reservations because I'm trying to figure out why people flipped so heavily against Wheat today (I'm not buying your theory on Vaimes) but I'll hammer if you don't have the votes tomorrow.
I choose someone during the day and that player gets a 1-shot vanilla cop shot that must be used that night and cannot be used alongside other night actions (possibility of exceptions here that weren't revealed to me).
I don't know if you're aware of this, but most sites don't have deadlines this long, and I get bored as we get closer to EoD.
The results are "vanilla" and "non-vanilla". I'm fairly certain that goons count as vanilla, but am getting confirmation from Cantrip. I have picked a target for N2. I have no idea why the order of actions doesn't apply. All I know on that front is that the mod posted that it didn't follow the order of actions.
What is the problem with asking Shinichi's top 2 scum reads? Do you have the answer to that question?