Shadow is scum because of how this day played out.
I voted shadow. This is the wrong play as scum. I should have seen if I could have gotten you to vote shadow or shadow to vote you. With my vote the way it is it forces shadow in to having to make a decision. Shadow knows that I know he is scum so his only play now is to vote me and to hope to vote you. Him holding his shot makes no sense additionally. Or at least as much sense as how the game actually played out which was the bus driver play.
"I made a bad play if I was scum, I must be town." No. You make plays as scum that don't make sense because WIFOM. Sort of like you did in cops:
Shadow is scum because of how this day played out.
I voted shadow. This is the wrong play as scum. I should have seen if I could have gotten you to vote shadow or shadow to vote you. With my vote the way it is it forces shadow in to having to make a decision. Shadow knows that I know he is scum so his only play now is to vote me and to hope to vote you. Him holding his shot makes no sense additionally. Or at least as much sense as how the game actually played out which was the bus driver play.
"I made a bad play if I was scum, I must be town." No. You make plays as scum that don't make sense because WIFOM. Sort of like you did in cops:
No that was totally different. That was a play that others probabally didn't see that would win us the game. This was a play that anyone with a 3rd grade education could see. Makes it bad IMO.
You know what's weak, is waiting for claims to come out before claiming your target. And attacking me for not firing into a crap shoot is a load of crap.
You know what's weak, is waiting for claims to come out before claiming your target. And attacking me for not firing into a crap shoot is a load of crap.
You know what's weak, is waiting for claims to come out before claiming your target. And attacking me for not firing into a crap shoot is a load of crap.
KJ did the same thing.
LUL.
Try again with the baseless attacks.
Its cute though.
Yeah, he did, which is part of why I came into today not knowing which one of you was scum, but you cleared that up for me.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
They probably didn't busdrive the doc, since I don't think scum can shoot their buddies at night.
Actually let me ask if that's the case.
If not possible, scum didn't busdrive doc, they must have roleblocked her. Therefore DV is lying because no one else died.
If it IS possible, then the scum could have bus drove doc, shot the scum they drove her with, and roleblocked a vig. This points to Shadow being scum because GJ died last night so he got shot at least once. Shadow didn't shoot, and me and DV did so if exactly one of us is RBed, he dies last night. If me and shadow were the vigs and i got rbed, GJ doesn't die last night. If me/shadow and shadow got RB'd... GJ is shot once, and dies last night.
So it's 2/3 DV, 1/3 Shadow. And DV has been appealing to emotions and didn't interact with AG at all.
And apparently it IS possible. So I'm gonna play the odds here and Vote DV.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
N1
faction kill atheistgod
atheistgod busdrives ophidia/himself
shadow blocks kj
DV shoots gj (vest)
KJ shoots gj (blocked)
ophidia protects himself (redirected to ag)
gj rages at being the only one without an active ability
l I had horrible reads D1. I think I was too afraid of shadow's scum game? Rereading and having not taken notes I have no clue what I was so sure DV was scum in retrospect...
Cool set up tom and awesome gifs. Thanks for hosting.
WTF? That means they bus drove Ophidia and shot their buddy?
Or is there some other thing I'm missing?
That is what happened. You and D_V being so sure of GJ mechanically when you guys would have had the exact same result from shooting me was kind of funny. We had hoped for stray bullets coming at me to support my BP claim.
Awwww yeah!! Seriously though, the quick lynch of AG had me confused as all heck because it made no sense and was super careless. I seriously considered no killing to support the idea that GJ had not actually been shot, meaning that one of you had "blocked" the other and neither shot, but in the end I went for the simpler play. GJ, would you have caught me out if I'd left you alive?
Also, Grapefruit, I really pushed you so hard day 1 because your reaction was so similar to my bare bones one that I felt vindication that it had nothing to do with alignment and everything to do with lower experience at the time. That's why my day 1 posts look as sure, because I was using the emotional tug of vindication to look like the emotional feeling of knowing you've caught scum.
l I had horrible reads D1. I think I was too afraid of shadow's scum game? Rereading and having not taken notes I have no clue what I was so sure DV was scum in retrospect...
Cool set up tom and awesome gifs. Thanks for hosting.
(knowing how much you've paid attention to how I've played as scum also made me want to look entirely different)
Awwww yeah!! Seriously though, the quick lynch of AG had me confused as all heck because it made no sense and was super careless. I seriously considered no killing to support the idea that GJ had not actually been shot, meaning that one of you had "blocked" the other and neither shot, but in the end I went for the simpler play. GJ, would you have caught me out if I'd left you alive?
Hard to say. I think at first, I would have leaned KJ, but you kept pushing Cops so much, I was starting to get really suspicious.
I don't envy KJ's spot, and though it was a well played spot.
WTF? That means they bus drove Ophidia and shot their buddy?
Or is there some other thing I'm missing?
That is what happened. You and D_V being so sure of GJ mechanically when you guys would have had the exact same result from shooting me was kind of funny. We had hoped for stray bullets coming at me to support my BP claim.
No.
I knew GJ was town. It really wasn't a question to me. Lynch the one counter claiming your town read.
@Shadow in retrospect that makes a ton of sense. Wish I'd seen it in time.
Also it's not like I studied you extensively. I just really enjoyed reading bare bones and Overwatch as largely my introduction to the game. And you just happen to be a standout part of that.
@Shadow in retrospect that makes a ton of sense. Wish I'd seen it in time.
Also it's not like I studied you extensively. I just really enjoyed reading bare bones and Overwatch as largely my introduction to the game. And you just happen to be a standout part of that.
thanks. More than anything after our chatter in jurrasic park spec chat I was so afraid that you'd be able to pick me out right away.
WTF? That means they bus drove Ophidia and shot their buddy?
Or is there some other thing I'm missing?
That is what happened. You and D_V being so sure of GJ mechanically when you guys would have had the exact same result from shooting me was kind of funny. We had hoped for stray bullets coming at me to support my BP claim.
No.
I knew GJ was town. It really wasn't a question to me. Lynch the one counter claiming your town read.
You were so certain he was town that you shot him?
WTF? That means they bus drove Ophidia and shot their buddy?
Or is there some other thing I'm missing?
That is what happened. You and D_V being so sure of GJ mechanically when you guys would have had the exact same result from shooting me was kind of funny. We had hoped for stray bullets coming at me to support my BP claim.
No.
I knew GJ was town. It really wasn't a question to me. Lynch the one counter claiming your town read.
You were so certain he was town that you shot him?
I was tinfoil hatting a town/mafia swap that wasn't the doc.
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No that was totally different. That was a play that others probabally didn't see that would win us the game. This was a play that anyone with a 3rd grade education could see. Makes it bad IMO.
Not voting is the scum play I'm confident with my reads just like I was with the GJ vote.
WEAK.
KJ did the same thing.
LUL.
Try again with the baseless attacks.
Its cute though.
Shadow (1) - DV
DV (1) - shadow
not voting (1) - killjoy
with 3 alive, its 2 to lynch
Come make decision.
Also if slow rolling us I'm going to be so mad.
(I'm not slowrolling. I'm trying to decide. LyLo, where I'm the confirmed town, is absolutely not my fave position.
Not sure who to vote. DV has had no inteactions with AG, whereas shadow did, but they have daytalk so that could have been theatre.)
(Alright, let me talk this out.
if RBer hit doc, DV is scum.
If DV is scum, then RBer hit me.
They probably didn't busdrive the doc, since I don't think scum can shoot their buddies at night.
Actually let me ask if that's the case.
If not possible, scum didn't busdrive doc, they must have roleblocked her. Therefore DV is lying because no one else died.
If it IS possible, then the scum could have bus drove doc, shot the scum they drove her with, and roleblocked a vig. This points to Shadow being scum because GJ died last night so he got shot at least once. Shadow didn't shoot, and me and DV did so if exactly one of us is RBed, he dies last night. If me and shadow were the vigs and i got rbed, GJ doesn't die last night. If me/shadow and shadow got RB'd... GJ is shot once, and dies last night.
So it's 2/3 DV, 1/3 Shadow. And DV has been appealing to emotions and didn't interact with AG at all.
And apparently it IS possible. So I'm gonna play the odds here and Vote DV.
GG to everyone whatever the outcome.)
DV (2) - shadow, killjoy
Shadow (1) - DV
DV has been lynched!
He was:
The mafia team of shadowlancerx and atheistgod has emerged victorious
mafia blocked kj night 1.
if they hadnt, theyd have won then.
Or is there some other thing I'm missing?
N1
faction kill atheistgod
atheistgod busdrives ophidia/himself
shadow blocks kj
DV shoots gj (vest)
KJ shoots gj (blocked)
ophidia protects himself (redirected to ag)
gj rages at being the only one without an active ability
N2
factional kill gj
shadow blocks kj again
l I had horrible reads D1. I think I was too afraid of shadow's scum game? Rereading and having not taken notes I have no clue what I was so sure DV was scum in retrospect...
Cool set up tom and awesome gifs. Thanks for hosting.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
That is what happened. You and D_V being so sure of GJ mechanically when you guys would have had the exact same result from shooting me was kind of funny. We had hoped for stray bullets coming at me to support my BP claim.
https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/cV8ewkGfEUu
Hard to say. I think at first, I would have leaned KJ, but you kept pushing Cops so much, I was starting to get really suspicious.
I don't envy KJ's spot, and though it was a well played spot.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
No.
I knew GJ was town. It really wasn't a question to me. Lynch the one counter claiming your town read.
Also it's not like I studied you extensively. I just really enjoyed reading bare bones and Overwatch as largely my introduction to the game. And you just happen to be a standout part of that.
You were so certain he was town that you shot him?
I was tinfoil hatting a town/mafia swap that wasn't the doc.