Dude, chill. It was a joke. I'm not sure how you haven't already gleaned that my Mafia persona is just a parody of my personality after all these years. I know ZDS's Normal was a bad experience for you and I'm sorry about that but I was playing to my win condition and you were on the opposite faction. If I make Mafia that unenjoyable for you, tell me now and I'll replace out so that you can have fun. Otherwise, there's no sense in bashing me like this.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso, you're supposed to be good at this game, why aren't you voting for taredas over the townie he's opportunistically trashing? We aren't going to have to book lynch you again, are we?
I mean, by this point you ought to have 2/3 of the scum identified, not be derping around on the obv town wagon.
Dude, chill. It was a joke. I'm not sure how you haven't already gleaned that my Mafia persona is just a parody of my personality after all these years. I know ZDS's Normal was a bad experience for you and I'm sorry about that but I was playing to my win condition and you were on the opposite faction. If I make Mafia that unenjoyable for you, tell me now and I'll replace out so that you can have fun. Otherwise, there's no sense in bashing me like this.
I'm old and crotchety get off my lawn.
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Why are you feeling pressure to decide on who's scum already? Your D_V vote feels like a desperate attempt to look like you're doing something.
I guess I'm a little antsy out of character right now. In character, I need to lay low a little more until there's more information out there, though readwalls are still good. D_V does come off as a bit scummy though (maybe that's a playstyle thing).
Iso, you're supposed to be good at this game, why aren't you voting for taredas over the townie he's opportunistically trashing? We aren't going to have to book lynch you again, are we?
I mean, by this point you ought to have 2/3 of the scum identified, not be derping around on the obv town wagon.
D_V isn't the worst choice at this point, though Taredas might be more obviously opportunistic in his behavior at the moment.
You need to lay low? Why would you need to lay low? Hiding much?
To get more information before figuring out scum. Because short, emotional posts that don't focus on information generally don't further my enjoyment of a game of mafia, even if the snark side of things can be amusing. There was a good bit on this in Avalon:
That said, first off, I want to make a general, alignment-neutral comment about short, agitated, emotional posts (henceforth "SAE posts"). SAE posts are almost always bad for the poster. If you are scumread scum, SAE posts confirm that and noone thinking rationally will listen to you. If you are scumread town, SAE posts confirm that and noone thinking rationally will listen to you. If you are townread town, SAE posts often hurt the strategy for your team. If you are townread scum, SAE posts will likely eventually come back to bite you when town gets more information, not to mention that it is much easier to slip up when making such a post. These posts also just in general make for a less enjoyable game. For everyone. I'm not about to say that I'm immune to this. And this is also not saying that nobody should joke around or that everyone should be perfect. But I'd like to appeal to everyone's better side, be they town or scum and request that from now on, unless you're trying to label yourself as scum, please attempt to make calm and rational posts, explaining the logic behind your points to what degree you can without leaking sensitive information. It will likely improve this game for everyone.
I also don't have the benefit of meta analysis; not only do I spurn using it to some degree, I also don't have enough experience on this forum to use meta analysis effectively anyways.
Iso, you're supposed to be good at this game, why aren't you voting for taredas over the townie he's opportunistically trashing? We aren't going to have to book lynch you again, are we?
I mean, by this point you ought to have 2/3 of the scum identified, not be derping around on the obv town wagon.
Dude, chill. It was a joke. I'm not sure how you haven't already gleaned that my Mafia persona is just a parody of my personality after all these years. I know ZDS's Normal was a bad experience for you and I'm sorry about that but I was playing to my win condition and you were on the opposite faction. If I make Mafia that unenjoyable for you, tell me now and I'll replace out so that you can have fun. Otherwise, there's no sense in bashing me like this.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
D_V isn't the worst choice at this point, though Taredas might be more obviously opportunistic in his behavior at the moment.
To get more information before figuring out scum. Because short, emotional posts that don't focus on information generally don't further my enjoyment of a game of mafia, even if the snark side of things can be amusing. There was a good bit on this in Avalon:
I also don't have the benefit of meta analysis; not only do I spurn using it to some degree, I also don't have enough experience on this forum to use meta analysis effectively anyways.
yeah but laying low implies not being noticed.
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I *think* Osie wagon reaching L-2 this quickly on D1 means that he is, in fact, town? I think there's probably scum on the wagon, at any rate, given the speed, the size, and the lack of counterwagon. I'd certainly be surprised if the Osie wagon is an all-town wagon on town - that would imply all the scum are in {Az, Iso, shadow, tomsloger, Huntzilla, Cyan}, and I think game dynamics so far don't mesh very well with that.
Fairly comfortable discounting {Killjoy, Osie} and {kpaca, Osie} scumteams given how the Osie wagon developed - Killjoy's and kpaca's vote don't feel like busses. (That's another reason for thinking Osie is town at this point - I think there's probably a scum on the Osie wagon, and Weak townread on Killjoy in general for coming to the conclusion that Osie's play was worth breaking RVS for about the same time I would have (i.e, mindmelding).
Also of note: If I'm wrong and Osie is scum, Az has a higher-than-usual chance of being his partner. (Note to self: {Az, D_V, Osie} world is a relevant corner case, feels like the most likely world where Osie is bussed scum.)
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I'm wary of Anak; I don't trust the (presumable) post restriction and I don't trust that vote either.
Kind of think there's a scum in {D_V, shadow} given the nameclaim suggestion. I don't think they're scumbuddies, though? (Reserving judgment on Az at this time.)
Weak town read on Cyan, not so much *in spite* of this not having posted as *because* he's the only player who hasn't posted - gamestate feels like all the scum have made it to the thread.
I'm still salty that I ended up losing Mind screw to your case that consisted of "it's Hunt, lynch please."
I think it's a useless pit to flavor claim. Bur is a wily mod who planned for us to sink time in that endeavor. I'm not convinced it would help us at all.
Buuuuut that's a completely relevent reason to lynch you.
Opinions on Osie and why you're not voting her, go!
Yeah, I'd like to pursue the flavor claim, on the off-chance Bur had a brain aneurysm while designing this one. I'm Proph. My flavor consists of repetitive mentions of how much I hate end-gaming.
Pretty sure I'm going to need to figure out how to make lock 'em up GIFs shortly.
Serious vote Taredas. Die, you filthy, transparent scum. Have a nice day!
I guess that means you're scum and I need to think that regardless of what you do because you're Proph and Proph is scum 100%.
I *think* Osie wagon reaching L-2 this quickly on D1 means that he is, in fact, town? I think there's probably scum on the wagon, at any rate, given the speed, the size, and the lack of counterwagon. I'd certainly be surprised if the Osie wagon is an all-town wagon on town - that would imply all the scum are in {Az, Iso, shadow, tomsloger, Huntzilla, Cyan}, and I think game dynamics so far don't mesh very well with that.
Fairly comfortable discounting {Killjoy, Osie} and {kpaca, Osie} scumteams given how the Osie wagon developed - Killjoy's and kpaca's vote don't feel like busses. (That's another reason for thinking Osie is town at this point - I think there's probably a scum on the Osie wagon, and Weak townread on Killjoy in general for coming to the conclusion that Osie's play was worth breaking RVS for about the same time I would have (i.e, mindmelding).
Also of note: If I'm wrong and Osie is scum, Az has a higher-than-usual chance of being his partner. (Note to self: {Az, D_V, Osie} world is a relevant corner case, feels like the most likely world where Osie is bussed scum.)
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I'm wary of Anak; I don't trust the (presumable) post restriction and I don't trust that vote either.
Kind of think there's a scum in {D_V, shadow} given the nameclaim suggestion. I don't think they're scumbuddies, though? (Reserving judgment on Az at this time.)
Weak town read on Cyan, not so much *in spite* of this not having posted as *because* he's the only player who hasn't posted - gamestate feels like all the scum have made it to the thread.
I disagree that it's moving too fast. Osie is just really obvious scum.
You're pushing for Osie being town really hard, and also that "Az has a higher than usual chance of being scum" feels weird, like a toss-in. Why is that the case?
Also explain why you think all the scum are here already?
Also, what are your thoughts on Osie's behavior, independent of the wagon speed?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Man I hope this isn't like WF from Disinheritance all over again, but, I don't think Osie is scum. I also don't know why Az thinks Taredas is scum, so I need to go read up more on that(in my catch up just now because I didn't realize the game started already, I was focused on Osie).
@Taredas: Why is wanting to do something because it's fun a reason that warrants a vote? This game was designed to be flavorful.
Because I think your *actual* reason is because you're scum trying to push a plan that will benefit scum and your "because it's fun!" is just public justification now that I called you on it.
Especially after this post, because mindset dissonance much? I mean, let's walk this through:
1) You explicitly note that this game was designed to be flavorful.
2) If this game is flavorful, then presumably the roles are flavorful - that is to say, if you have a player's role name, then you have a strong idea about what their abilities are.
3) Ergo, full name claiming D1 is probably pretty close to a D1 massclaim - and I'd expect some sort of counter to that in the setup, if nothing else then because D1 massclaim breaking the game is something that is supposed to be considered in setup review. (Actually, I suspect straight-up D1 massclaim would be *better* for town than a D1 nameclaim - nameclaim has the downside of a massclaim [giving scum a pretty good idea of who the strong town power roles are] without the upside of locking scum into claims and coordinating town abilities.)
4) And yet... you're advocating D1 nameclaim, and the *only* reason you give is "because it's fun".
Now, if you thought that D1 nameclaim was likely to *help* the town, that would be one thing (I think it's possible that Az thinks this, which is one reason I'm reserving judgment there) - but I don't see any evidence for that. If you didn't think nameclaim would matter one way or another, that would be another thing - but I don't see why you would think that given "this game was designed to be flavorful".
What I do see is a scum thought process covered up with "because it's fun".
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Taredas: You actually think names will provide scum an accurate idea of what roles people have? Really?
Alright, I'm seppel, what does that tell you about me?
I'm cyan. I'm vanilla because tunneling isn't a real ablity. I'm just going to vote for whoever Iso votes because that's all we're going to be able to do anyway. Why fight it this time?
@Taredas: Why is wanting to do something because it's fun a reason that warrants a vote? This game was designed to be flavorful.
Because I think your *actual* reason is because you're scum trying to push a plan that will benefit scum and your "because it's fun!" is just public justification now that I called you on it.
Especially after this post, because mindset dissonance much? I mean, let's walk this through:
1) You explicitly note that this game was designed to be flavorful.
2) If this game is flavorful, then presumably the roles are flavorful - that is to say, if you have a player's role name, then you have a strong idea about what their abilities are.
3) Ergo, full name claiming D1 is probably pretty close to a D1 massclaim - and I'd expect some sort of counter to that in the setup, if nothing else then because D1 massclaim breaking the game is something that is supposed to be considered in setup review. (Actually, I suspect straight-up D1 massclaim would be *better* for town than a D1 nameclaim - nameclaim has the downside of a massclaim [giving scum a pretty good idea of who the strong town power roles are] without the upside of locking scum into claims and coordinating town abilities.)
4) And yet... you're advocating D1 nameclaim, and the *only* reason you give is "because it's fun".
Now, if you thought that D1 nameclaim was likely to *help* the town, that would be one thing (I think it's possible that Az thinks this, which is one reason I'm reserving judgment there) - but I don't see any evidence for that. If you didn't think nameclaim would matter one way or another, that would be another thing - but I don't see why you would think that given "this game was designed to be flavorful".
What I do see is a scum thought process covered up with "because it's fun".
This all sounds like much ado about nothing. My rolename is Newcomb/NotVoxicuss. Go ahead and tell me what my role does.
This comes across as a scum trying to present the pro-town argument without having an obvious reason for doing so. Vote Taredas
I *think* Osie wagon reaching L-2 this quickly on D1 means that he is, in fact, town? I think there's probably scum on the wagon, at any rate, given the speed, the size, and the lack of counterwagon. I'd certainly be surprised if the Osie wagon is an all-town wagon on town - that would imply all the scum are in {Az, Iso, shadow, tomsloger, Huntzilla, Cyan}, and I think game dynamics so far don't mesh very well with that.
Fairly comfortable discounting {Killjoy, Osie} and {kpaca, Osie} scumteams given how the Osie wagon developed - Killjoy's and kpaca's vote don't feel like busses. (That's another reason for thinking Osie is town at this point - I think there's probably a scum on the Osie wagon, and Weak townread on Killjoy in general for coming to the conclusion that Osie's play was worth breaking RVS for about the same time I would have (i.e, mindmelding).
Also of note: If I'm wrong and Osie is scum, Az has a higher-than-usual chance of being his partner. (Note to self: {Az, D_V, Osie} world is a relevant corner case, feels like the most likely world where Osie is bussed scum.)
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I'm wary of Anak; I don't trust the (presumable) post restriction and I don't trust that vote either.
Kind of think there's a scum in {D_V, shadow} given the nameclaim suggestion. I don't think they're scumbuddies, though? (Reserving judgment on Az at this time.)
Weak town read on Cyan, not so much *in spite* of this not having posted as *because* he's the only player who hasn't posted - gamestate feels like all the scum have made it to the thread.
@Taredas: Why is wanting to do something because it's fun a reason that warrants a vote? This game was designed to be flavorful.
Because I think your *actual* reason is because you're scum trying to push a plan that will benefit scum and your "because it's fun!" is just public justification now that I called you on it.
Especially after this post, because mindset dissonance much? I mean, let's walk this through:
1) You explicitly note that this game was designed to be flavorful.
2) If this game is flavorful, then presumably the roles are flavorful - that is to say, if you have a player's role name, then you have a strong idea about what their abilities are.
3) Ergo, full name claiming D1 is probably pretty close to a D1 massclaim - and I'd expect some sort of counter to that in the setup, if nothing else then because D1 massclaim breaking the game is something that is supposed to be considered in setup review. (Actually, I suspect straight-up D1 massclaim would be *better* for town than a D1 nameclaim - nameclaim has the downside of a massclaim [giving scum a pretty good idea of who the strong town power roles are] without the upside of locking scum into claims and coordinating town abilities.)
4) And yet... you're advocating D1 nameclaim, and the *only* reason you give is "because it's fun".
Now, if you thought that D1 nameclaim was likely to *help* the town, that would be one thing (I think it's possible that Az thinks this, which is one reason I'm reserving judgment there) - but I don't see any evidence for that. If you didn't think nameclaim would matter one way or another, that would be another thing - but I don't see why you would think that given "this game was designed to be flavorful".
What I do see is a scum thought process covered up with "because it's fun".
This all sounds like much ado about nothing. My rolename is Newcomb/NotVoxicuss. Go ahead and tell me what my role does.
This comes across as a scum trying to present the pro-town argument without having an obvious reason for doing so. Vote Taredas
It has no apparent purpose or direction. It simply drifts, buoyed by breezes both tangible and otherworldly.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
We should set up a yes/no system somehow using specific phrases so we can understand him.
His restriction is the same as Tom's was for Titanic Ultimatum Mafia, which I'm almost wondering if Anak is self imposing this restriction. And if he's decent at using it (seems to be so far), context should be enough to understand him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wait, he's repeating a restriction that's been recently used?
That... almost never actually happens.
Tom's restriction was self imposed, if you notice, Anak's first post was about imitation, and voting tom. My bet is that he rolled tom and decided to use a restriction for fun.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wait, he's repeating a restriction that's been recently used?
That... almost never actually happens.
Tom's restriction was self imposed, if you notice, Anak's first post was about imitation, and voting tom. My bet is that he rolled tom and decided to use a restriction for fun.
"That's the funny thing about free will. You don't feel any different without it." - Ambassador Laquatus
Yeah, I'd like to pursue the flavor claim, on the off-chance Bur had a brain aneurysm while designing this one. I'm Proph. My flavor consists of repetitive mentions of how much I hate end-gaming.
Pretty sure I'm going to need to figure out how to make lock 'em up GIFs shortly.
Serious vote Taredas. Die, you filthy, transparent scum. Have a nice day!
This reason for wanting a flavor claim seems awful superficial and weak.
Iso, you're supposed to be good at this game, why aren't you voting for taredas over the townie he's opportunistically trashing? We aren't going to have to book lynch you again, are we?
I mean, by this point you ought to have 2/3 of the scum identified, not be derping around on the obv town wagon.
D_V isn't the worst choice at this point, though Taredas might be more obviously opportunistic in his behavior at the moment.
You need to lay low? Why would you need to lay low? Hiding much?
To get more information before figuring out scum. Because short, emotional posts that don't focus on information generally don't further my enjoyment of a game of mafia, even if the snark side of things can be amusing. There was a good bit on this in Avalon:
That said, first off, I want to make a general, alignment-neutral comment about short, agitated, emotional posts (henceforth "SAE posts"). SAE posts are almost always bad for the poster. If you are scumread scum, SAE posts confirm that and noone thinking rationally will listen to you. If you are scumread town, SAE posts confirm that and noone thinking rationally will listen to you. If you are townread town, SAE posts often hurt the strategy for your team. If you are townread scum, SAE posts will likely eventually come back to bite you when town gets more information, not to mention that it is much easier to slip up when making such a post. These posts also just in general make for a less enjoyable game. For everyone. I'm not about to say that I'm immune to this. And this is also not saying that nobody should joke around or that everyone should be perfect. But I'd like to appeal to everyone's better side, be they town or scum and request that from now on, unless you're trying to label yourself as scum, please attempt to make calm and rational posts, explaining the logic behind your points to what degree you can without leaking sensitive information. It will likely improve this game for everyone.
I also don't have the benefit of meta analysis; not only do I spurn using it to some degree, I also don't have enough experience on this forum to use meta analysis effectively anyways.
Good answer. I was once you. I hated Meta, thought it was bull*****. Turns out it really is a helpful tool once you become familiar with folk. I understand where you are coming from though. Go on back and look my long rants about meta if you care.
I'm still salty that I ended up losing Mind screw to your case that consisted of "it's Hunt, lynch please."
I think it's a useless pit to flavor claim. Bur is a wily mod who planned for us to sink time in that endeavor. I'm not convinced it would help us at all.
Buuuuut that's a completely relevent reason to lynch you.
Opinions on Osie and why you're not voting her, go!
I am on the fence with Osie. It feels way to early to end the day, but using the excuse "I don't wanna rock the boat (aka hide)" screams noob scum to me. I would put my vote down hard if it wasn't so early in the day.
@Taredas: Why is wanting to do something because it's fun a reason that warrants a vote? This game was designed to be flavorful.
Because I think your *actual* reason is because you're scum trying to push a plan that will benefit scum and your "because it's fun!" is just public justification now that I called you on it.
Especially after this post, because mindset dissonance much? I mean, let's walk this through:
1) You explicitly note that this game was designed to be flavorful.
2) If this game is flavorful, then presumably the roles are flavorful - that is to say, if you have a player's role name, then you have a strong idea about what their abilities are.
3) Ergo, full name claiming D1 is probably pretty close to a D1 massclaim - and I'd expect some sort of counter to that in the setup, if nothing else then because D1 massclaim breaking the game is something that is supposed to be considered in setup review. (Actually, I suspect straight-up D1 massclaim would be *better* for town than a D1 nameclaim - nameclaim has the downside of a massclaim [giving scum a pretty good idea of who the strong town power roles are] without the upside of locking scum into claims and coordinating town abilities.)
4) And yet... you're advocating D1 nameclaim, and the *only* reason you give is "because it's fun".
Now, if you thought that D1 nameclaim was likely to *help* the town, that would be one thing (I think it's possible that Az thinks this, which is one reason I'm reserving judgment there) - but I don't see any evidence for that. If you didn't think nameclaim would matter one way or another, that would be another thing - but I don't see why you would think that given "this game was designed to be flavorful".
What I do see is a scum thought process covered up with "because it's fun".
and Tare took the words out of my mouth as to why. Scum are just going to use the info to try and determine the right moves at night. It doesn't help town at all.
But it makes sense since the scum team is
Taredas
Osie
And Azreal
Also I've already flavor claimed and Azreal is even pushing my flavor
You mean it's wack how on-target it is?
Osie's a newb. Like a floppy new foal, wobbling around on its shaky legs, trying to figure out how to run. You guys are not allowed to lynch him, over my dead body.
You may now proceed to re-reading Hunt's last post, then advance to the chain-lynching phase.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I mean, by this point you ought to have 2/3 of the scum identified, not be derping around on the obv town wagon.
I'm old and crotchety get off my lawn.
I guess I'm a little antsy out of character right now. In character, I need to lay low a little more until there's more information out there, though readwalls are still good. D_V does come off as a bit scummy though (maybe that's a playstyle thing).
Uh oh. So your mafia persona is 12?
vote: osiorb18
D_V isn't the worst choice at this point, though Taredas might be more obviously opportunistic in his behavior at the moment.
To get more information before figuring out scum. Because short, emotional posts that don't focus on information generally don't further my enjoyment of a game of mafia, even if the snark side of things can be amusing. There was a good bit on this in Avalon:
I also don't have the benefit of meta analysis; not only do I spurn using it to some degree, I also don't have enough experience on this forum to use meta analysis effectively anyways.
Shh, I'm working.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Fairly comfortable discounting {Killjoy, Osie} and {kpaca, Osie} scumteams given how the Osie wagon developed - Killjoy's and kpaca's vote don't feel like busses. (That's another reason for thinking Osie is town at this point - I think there's probably a scum on the Osie wagon, and Weak townread on Killjoy in general for coming to the conclusion that Osie's play was worth breaking RVS for about the same time I would have (i.e, mindmelding).
Also of note: If I'm wrong and Osie is scum, Az has a higher-than-usual chance of being his partner. (Note to self: {Az, D_V, Osie} world is a relevant corner case, feels like the most likely world where Osie is bussed scum.)
Unvote
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I'm wary of Anak; I don't trust the (presumable) post restriction and I don't trust that vote either.
Kind of think there's a scum in {D_V, shadow} given the nameclaim suggestion. I don't think they're scumbuddies, though? (Reserving judgment on Az at this time.)
Weak town read on Cyan, not so much *in spite* of this not having posted as *because* he's the only player who hasn't posted - gamestate feels like all the scum have made it to the thread.
Vote: shadowlancerx
FoS: Anaklusmos
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Opinions on Osie and why you're not voting her, go!
I guess that means you're scum and I need to think that regardless of what you do because you're Proph and Proph is scum 100%.
Thoughts on Osie?
What are you seeing from D_V?
I disagree that it's moving too fast. Osie is just really obvious scum.
You're pushing for Osie being town really hard, and also that "Az has a higher than usual chance of being scum" feels weird, like a toss-in. Why is that the case?
Also explain why you think all the scum are here already?
Also, what are your thoughts on Osie's behavior, independent of the wagon speed?
If Osie really is at L-2, she needs to claim.
Because I think your *actual* reason is because you're scum trying to push a plan that will benefit scum and your "because it's fun!" is just public justification now that I called you on it.
Especially after this post, because mindset dissonance much? I mean, let's walk this through:
1) You explicitly note that this game was designed to be flavorful.
2) If this game is flavorful, then presumably the roles are flavorful - that is to say, if you have a player's role name, then you have a strong idea about what their abilities are.
3) Ergo, full name claiming D1 is probably pretty close to a D1 massclaim - and I'd expect some sort of counter to that in the setup, if nothing else then because D1 massclaim breaking the game is something that is supposed to be considered in setup review. (Actually, I suspect straight-up D1 massclaim would be *better* for town than a D1 nameclaim - nameclaim has the downside of a massclaim [giving scum a pretty good idea of who the strong town power roles are] without the upside of locking scum into claims and coordinating town abilities.)
4) And yet... you're advocating D1 nameclaim, and the *only* reason you give is "because it's fun".
Now, if you thought that D1 nameclaim was likely to *help* the town, that would be one thing (I think it's possible that Az thinks this, which is one reason I'm reserving judgment there) - but I don't see any evidence for that. If you didn't think nameclaim would matter one way or another, that would be another thing - but I don't see why you would think that given "this game was designed to be flavorful".
What I do see is a scum thought process covered up with "because it's fun".
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
unvote: vote taredas
Alright, I'm seppel, what does that tell you about me?
This all sounds like much ado about nothing. My rolename is Newcomb/NotVoxicuss. Go ahead and tell me what my role does.
This comes across as a scum trying to present the pro-town argument without having an obvious reason for doing so. Vote Taredas
osieorb18 (3) - D_V, Killjoy, Anaklusmos
Taredas (3) - Azrael, kpaca, shadowlancerx
D_V (2) - Iso, osieorb18
No Lynch (1) - tomsloger
Azreal (1) - Huntzilla
shadowlancerx (1) - Taredas
Not Voting (1): Cyan
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
"You always have a choice. That doesn't mean you always have a good choice." -Alubri, Guul Draz gatekeeper
It has no apparent purpose or direction. It simply drifts, buoyed by breezes both tangible and otherworldly.
We should set up a yes/no system somehow using specific phrases so we can understand him.
That... almost never actually happens.
Azrael
Iso
osieorb18
kpaca
D_V
Killjoy
shadowlancerx
Anaklusmos
Cyan
Scum
Huntzilla
Taredas
tomsloger
Game over?
Osie is so town it hurts to look at him.
Uhh... I don't think I'm at L-2, but if it makes you feel better:
Town!Cantrip - Walls of text with lots of quotes in them and lots of V/LA. (Works well for me during the week at least!)
Why are you thinking Taredas? Or is it just for the same reasons as Shadow and Cyan?
"That's the funny thing about free will. You don't feel any different without it." - Ambassador Laquatus
To be fair here, I get RUN UP every day one, I don't necessarily die day one. Not lately at least.
Holy ***** I agree with Kpaca? Good answer. I was once you. I hated Meta, thought it was bull*****. Turns out it really is a helpful tool once you become familiar with folk. I understand where you are coming from though. Go on back and look my long rants about meta if you care. I am on the fence with Osie. It feels way to early to end the day, but using the excuse "I don't wanna rock the boat (aka hide)" screams noob scum to me. I would put my vote down hard if it wasn't so early in the day. FINALLY, someone else talking that sense about flavorclaiming. and Tare took the words out of my mouth as to why. Scum are just going to use the info to try and determine the right moves at night. It doesn't help town at all. AHA! There's the Kpaca I know.
Holy ***** though. Tare got ran up fast. That makes no sense to me.
Well sense he isn't L-2, I can go ahead with Unvote, Vote Osie
But it makes sense since the scum team is
Taredas
Osie
And Azreal
Also I've already flavor claimed and Azreal is even pushing my flavor
You mean it's wack how on-target it is?
Osie's a newb. Like a floppy new foal, wobbling around on its shaky legs, trying to figure out how to run. You guys are not allowed to lynch him, over my dead body.
You may now proceed to re-reading Hunt's last post, then advance to the chain-lynching phase.
Yes, flailing. No, not caught scum.
Shadow my first town read. Poked at some ***** I would have.
Osi seems fine too.
Let's lynch huntzilla if he keeps making walls.
And Osie is hard looking for someone to latch onto desperately.