@Vaimes: It should tell you something of my opinion of the state of the game that I think I'm the towniest player behaviorally next to maybe Rhand at the moment. As for why I would have killed him Night 1, he at least seems to think Huntzilla is scum, he caught some early stuff on Ghosting that I liked him paying attention to, and I always assume that I'm correctly reading the scumteam - ergo based on Day 1, Rhand was the biggest threat to the scumteam. As for the aggro...fine, I can buy that. As for the context remark, wat?
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@D_V: Sorry, I'm not going to take play advice from someone who claimed to be a Tracker, got CCed, withdrew that claim, and also claimed to be a Neutral on Day 1. How on earth does any of that benefit the town? All you've done with your play is generate WIFOM and contributed nothing of value whatsoever to solving the gamestate. This is basically how you threw the game in that one Mini where I replaced in, screamed that we should lynch Atog based on his first post or two, got completely ignored, and we lynched JD and lost.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Vaimes: It should tell you something of my opinion of the state of the game that I think I'm the towniest player behaviorally next to maybe Rhand at the moment. As for why I would have killed him Night 1, he at least seems to think Huntzilla is scum, he caught some early stuff on Ghosting that I liked him paying attention to, and I always assume that I'm correctly reading the scumteam - ergo based on Day 1, Rhand was the biggest threat to the scumteam. As for the aggro...fine, I can buy that. As for the context remark, wat?
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@D_V: Sorry, I'm not going to take play advice from someone who claimed to be a Tracker, got CCed, withdrew that claim, and also claimed to be a Neutral on Day 1. How on earth does any of that benefit the town? All you've done with your play is generate WIFOM and contributed nothing of value whatsoever to solving the gamestate. This is basically how you threw the game in that one Mini where I replaced in, screamed that we should lynch Atog based on his first post or two, got completely ignored, and we lynched JD and lost.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@D_V: Sorry, I'm not going to take play advice from someone who claimed to be a Tracker, got CCed, withdrew that claim, and also claimed to be a Neutral on Day 1. How on earth does any of that benefit the town? All you've done with your play is generate WIFOM and contributed nothing of value whatsoever to solving the gamestate. This is basically how you threw the game in that one Mini where I replaced in, screamed that we should lynch Atog based on his first post or two, got completely ignored, and we lynched JD and lost.
Tracker or Tracer or whatever you claimed, which I haven't even gotten to yet in my read. Point is, at the point I've read up to, as well as the things I have seen other people say you did, you've done literally nothing to benefit the town.
Nothing.
Not a single thing.
I have never claimed to have read more of the game than I've read, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from.
Not to mention you completely failed to address everything I actually said about you contributing 0 value to the town, choosing instead to nitpick the fact that I saw someone say you claimed Tracker and retracted that claim.
So again, I ask: What ******* planet do you live on?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
#Zomg is totally scum for town reading me since I know nothing I've done has seen very towny.
You literally even state that you're not doing town things, here, so I'm not sure where you get off criticizing the fact that I think your play has been absolutely unhelpful to the town. I mean, really.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Tracker or Tracer or whatever you claimed, which I haven't even gotten to yet in my read. Point is, at the point I've read up to, as well as the things I have seen other people say you did, you've done literally nothing to benefit the town.
Nothing.
Not a single thing.
I have never claimed to have read more of the game than I've read, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from.
Not to mention you completely failed to address everything I actually said about you contributing 0 value to the town, choosing instead to nitpick the fact that I saw someone say you claimed Tracker and retracted that claim.
So again, I ask: What ******* planet do you live on?
"I've not read the game But I know you haven't done anything"
-Brilliant.
#Zomg is totally scum for town reading me since I know nothing I've done has seen very towny.
You literally even state that you're not doing town things, here, so I'm not sure where you get off criticizing the fact that I think your play has been absolutely unhelpful to the town. I mean, really.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
That post didn't make sense. Sorry for triple posting.
Iso contributed less and formed less effective of an argument in this game than in other games that he played as town in.
I don't feel his prowess as an experienced town in this game.
I literally haven't finished reading the game and people aren't listening to me because of it. Also, this is obscenely opportunistic of you with the blood in the water.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Dammit I am just frustrated this game got to this point. I hate the spilling of role info so early, and I never get tilted like this.
We may as well just massclaim at this point. Everyone seemed to agree to doing it tomorrow, doing it now resolves Hunt, figures out the jailer/RB/DV love triangle that makes no sense, and allows to start building a Poe pool.
I'm not frustrated or mad at anyone, and maybe real life isn't helping, I haven't been contributing so it's just as much my fault we got to this point. Sorry for being unhelpful and unfun to everyone else, you deserve better play than this from me
I don't see a world where town!Anak thinks that someone who posted like %2 of the game is a better option for town than himself who is also a Watcher.
I also don't see a world where town!Anak wants a massclaim that might reveal a Doc for no reason after all the posts he made about saving our PRs.
Starting to think he might be sacrificing himself for a mafia PR, or I might be just really tunneling on Hunt.
Lets wait for Hunt and see what he has to say.
@Iso - Whats your case on Ghosting except "Ghosting's entrance is underwhelming AND he's somehow townreading Hunt"?
@Iso - Whats your case on Ghosting except "Ghosting's entrance is underwhelming AND he's somehow townreading Hunt"?
I'm glad you asked!
Since I'm so annoyed at being behind and being berated for being behind, I'm speedreading the rest of the thread with minimal commentary and a scrutinizing eye on the way the arcwind wagon came about.
Okay, I've confirmed Vaimes as town for interactions with arcwind.
Cantrip seems fine for his interactions with arcwind.
Rodemy seems fine for his interactions with arcwind.
Arcwind's vote on scarbo seems bus-y.
Ghosting still reads as scum to me. (#239 reads like a major slip, along with just basically everything he posts.) And holy ****, #459 is a gigantic red "SCUMBUDDIES" flag with arcwind. Additionally, he tried to form a counterwagon on Rhand when the arcwind wagon was almost complete.
Wow, Ophidia ran in to stomp on the brakes for Ghosting TWICE. That looks pretty terrible for him. And then the #308 follow-up. I'm definitely reconsidering my Ophidia read.
Arcwind's T/S list solidly suggests that my view of the gamestate is correct.
D_V and Cantrip's votes on arcwind are garbage. That said, arcwind's counter-push on D_V is just as bad, which at least looks okay for him.
Rhand seems fine for his interactions with arcwind.
I don't really get what scarbo is getting at with Cantrip, but he at least is on board with arcwind's lynch after the claim, so, whatever.
shadow seems fine for his interactions with arcwind.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Iso - So your case is #239 and #459, and a counter wagon on Rhand.
Where in #239 do you see a scumslip, and what in #459 scream scumbuddies (considering Cantrip has similar response in #458).
Rhand and Ghosting seemed to think all Day 1 each other is a mafia, so its not like Ghosting started the wagon out of nowhere.
Nope, not seeing your case here.
@Iso - So your case is #239 and #459, and a counter wagon on Rhand.
Where in #239 do you see a scumslip, and what in #459 scream scumbuddies (considering Cantrip has similar response in #458).
Rhand and Ghosting seemed to think all Day 1 each other is a mafia, so its not like Ghosting started the wagon out of nowhere.
Nope, not seeing your case here.
You don't need to. I just need to convince enough people to lynch Ghosting; you don't have to be a part of that. (Also, you're ignoring my points on Ghosting in my initial 4-page notes.)
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This Ghosting wagon is so bizarre to me, lets see if I can find any mafia in it:
#487 (Huntzilla) - "the fact that you are trying to make it be THIS WAY and NO OTHER is concerning."
Pretty weak case in retrospect. Ghosting said D_V made the kill which on further thought doesn't make sense because he could have told his scummates, so I don't see scum!Ghosting pushing a point he knows can be easily refuted. Anyway waiting to hear from Huntzilla so lets put that aside.
#988 (Shadow) - "It is severely concerning to me that you're town reading Iso for his reads being similar to yours, despite the fact that HE HASN'T EVEN READ THE GAME! Talk to me about how that comes from a town perspective"
That vote was weird to me at the time, I mean Iso had some reads he posted based on reading the start of Day 2. Thats like saying you can't townread someone at the beggining of the game for his thoughts after 2 pages. @Shadow - can you explain that vote again?
#1144 (Anak) - Scum points to everyone voting for the RB to claim, and special scum points to Ghosting for saying if that fails to get the Doc to claim
Once again someone seems to try and twist Ghosting words. He didn't say that, and I actually read him as town for the RB claim proposal as it was a good idea IMO. Another reason why Anak is probably mafia.
#1144 (D_V) - No reason
Still won't answer Rhand why the vote. Most worrying vote on the wagon.
#1354 (Iso) - Weak case
How does asking you "Whats your case on Ghosting except "Ghosting's entrance is underwhelming AND he's somehow townreading Hunt"?" is ignoring your initial 4-page notes? Another worrying vote. BTW, your r_0 case in theh inital notes still doesn't make sense, I read it again. He was clearly townreading Ghosting for his enterance. Good luck with convincing others though.
Lol I won't be surprised if the rest of the scum team is all on this wagon.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I will explain what I was trying to say again.
You scumread Ghosting for townreading Hunt and you also hated his enterance post.
Then you townread r_0 and when he townread Ghosting and specifically said he liked his enterance post, you didn't even note it or it bothered you.
It doesn't make sense (to me).
Posts:
#1127 Cantrip "If there's both a roleblocker and a jailer in the game, I'd lean toward an alignment dichotomy between the jailer and the roleblocker. "
#1165 Rhand "I agree on a roleblocker claim. If we have one, then D_V should out the jailer because I'm pretty sure we won't have a RB AND Jailer in town"
#1171 Rodemy "Rb with a jailer? Yeah right."
#1184 Vaimes "shadow, I think scarbo is assuming that his own role means that there is no Jailer. Because two town Roleblockers is very unlikely. "
#1198 Cantrip "because it seems very unlikely that we have a roleblocker and a jailer that are both town"
#1199 Scarbo "A jailer claiming would a soft cc to me."
#1200 Iso: "If scarbo is truthful about being a Town Roleblocker, it's extremely unlikely that D_V's Jailer is town"
Probably missed some because phone + rushing but yeah..
Thanks for this. Add Ophidia's VT claim to that, and we almost know who the jailer is.
It is not Cantrip, me, Rodemy, Vaimes, Scarbo, Iso, D_V, Ophidia or you.
That leaves Anak and Hunt.
Or D_V is still lying... Which I'm starting to suspect more now that I've looked into Anak and Hunt's iso's. It's a silly thing, but the way D_V formatted the T/S he provided from the jailer is the same as D_V's own T/S list: He uses a "/" without spaces for replacements. I would imagine he would just copy-paste the T/S he got from his jailer and end up with their formatting.
I really, really think D_V should out the jailer now.
Possible scenario's: * D_V is lying, he calls someone jailer who isn't. We lynch said person, see a wrong flip, lynch D_V toMorrow: 1 vs 1. Yay.
* D_V is telling the truth, but the jailer is town. We lynch the jailer, lynch Scarbo toMorrow: 1 vs 1. Yay.
* D_V is telling the truth, the jailer is scum. We lynch scum. Yay.
* We do have a jailer AND roleblocker in town. We lynch both. Boo. (but very unlikely)
Bolded is rediculous and makes me wonder what mindset it is from.
Why would we lynch whoever d_v calls scum? You even said it was hard to believe d_v because of hs lies. Why believe him now?
Why can't both scarbo and d_v be scum
Anuks claim of tracker has me baffled. Too many prs to deal with.
Gotta go to work.
Been super busy recently, sorry.
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I will explain what I was trying to say again.
You scumread Ghosting for townreading Hunt and you also hated his enterance post.
Then you townread r_0 and when he townread Ghosting and specifically said he liked his enterance post, you didn't even note it or it bothered you.
It doesn't make sense (to me).
If it doesn't make sense to you, it's because you're not parsing it beyond surface level. I've already explained it thoroughly enough that you should understand, but I'm willing to do it one last time if you still decide you can't figure out what's going on.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Huntzilla is being prodded. I wasn't around during the heat but I'd like to ask everyone to remain civil and hate the game not the player
Also deadline is looming.
Ghosting may have some questionable posts, but in general, I get town vibes from his posts.
Meteor continues to ask good questions.
I feel like Iso is getting flak primarily for having bad reads, which stem from not having enough time to read the game before presenting proper reads. That said, if he agreed to replace in (Iso, I don't know if you did or if Brin just railroaded you in), then he should commit the time--ASAP--to finishing his read (or skim) and giving more comprehensive reads. Right now I feel like he's never going to engage if he continues getting hated on.
Nothing about Anak's claim makes sense to me except his claimed target. But...claimed PR. And my vote on DV isn't doing anything and isn't necessarily appropriate, as I'm less sure that his actions--if we really know his full situation now--were malicious. So, for now:
Unvote DV, Vote Huntzilla
I will unfortunately be in and out all weekend, with no guarantee that I will be able to post significantly, but I'll try to keep an eye on things and contribute as I can. I will be able to do much more on Monday. I realize that's really close to the deadline, but...can't be helped.
popping in to say hello & this is the sort of thing that makes me thing DV is scum
Why exactly?
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@Meteor: Ghosting was townreading Iso based on his reads, which were solely based on the beginning of day 2, which is vastly different than if we were only 2 pages into the game. Having reads based on 2 pages is fine if that's all you've read, but sheeping those reads when you know that they're based on 10% of the game is at best foolish, and at worst manipulative. I don't see any reason to townread someone when they are reacting solely to a brief snippet of the game (and indeed, Iso's reads have changed as he reads the rest of the game). Basically it felt like ghosting was being both safe in regards to dealing with Iso (which makes me think they are less likely to be scum together), but also promoted bad play as acceptable.
With the PR situation getting solved tomorrow, and deadline looming, I think ghosting is our best bet to get the most information. vote ghosting
If he flips scum, Iso is soft cleared.
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@Iso: Please stop being condescending.
Shadow, I've explained to you twice the read situation, what about my response was unclear to you? I agreed with his analysis of the events he read -- you called it scummy for agreeing with reads when he hasn't read the game, but they were based on what he had read, so your point is fairly moot.
What else do you find scummy about me?
Is there anything you find townie?
Of all the players, you genuinely feel I'm the scummiest?
Also that last line lol "Ghosting is the best bet for the most information". Are you reading the game? More information than D_V or Anak? Or Scarbo? Can you explain how?
Of all the players, you genuinely feel I'm the scummiest?
Also that last line lol "Ghosting is the best bet for the most information". Are you reading the game? More information than D_V or Anak? Or Scarbo? Can you explain how?
Like how is this even a real wagon right now, I can't help but think scum are dying to get this mislynch in.
Tell me how my lunch is more informative than the lynch of players we know odds point to at least one of being scum? I've posted paragraphs upon paragraphs explaining this, which you are welcome to reference.
@shadow: I don't like repeating myself and Mete0r is making me repeat myself-
@Vaimes: Yeah, I decided that you can be town.
Also, how do you feel about Cantrip being scum instead of Huntzilla? He didn't give me a whole lot to townread him off of with regards to his interactions with Arcwind, and in general.
@Cantrip: I finished my read and posted my reads accordingly.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Wait, if the Jailer revealed themselves to DV and DV is scum, then they totally could have killed the Jailer last Night.
shadow, in an uncomfortable turn of events, I want to buddy you. Or more specifically your brain.
Which makes it more likely D_V is lying, which the roleblocker claim supports as well, hence me thinking D_V is a better choice today than Scarbo. He's also lied more than once in the past, has been opportunistic, etc., so it's not even just this whole mess alone that warrants it. Lynching Scarbo first is stupid when he's much more likely to be telling the truth and also actually a power role. Plus, as I've explained in greath depth, we just lynch the other one tomorrow anyway, so order of events wise, it definitely makes sense to go with D_V first.
Agreed.
Also, D_V avoids Rhands question and my question.
Anyway like I said, I agree with Rhand that the D_V/scarbo situation needs to be addressed tomorrow after a mass claim.
For today personally I feel like Huntzilla is a mafia trying to be under the radar so we forget about him, but I'm fine with Anak too. I read his posts again and his last few posts seems very suspicious. I'd be comfortable voting between those two.
I'll get to you in just a minute...
You are correct on one point however, and that is that I have been purposefully dodgey this game.
Popping in due to lack of time, but I would also be in support of a massclaim tomorrow.
I'd feel better about lynching Anak today over Hunt; neither his posts toDay nor his predecessor's play have given me town vibes. On the other hand, Hunt's postcount is abysmally low (like, 2% of the posts-low).
What I'd really like is for both of them to get in here and post.
@Anak and Hunt: Why should we vote the other one of you? ("Neither" is not an option for this question, but you could also answer "Who should we lynch today if we don't lynch DV, Scarbo, or the jailer?")
The answer is neither, whether you like it or not. If you had to kill one of us, I would say me simply because my role, while normally a VERY townie role doesn't lead to us winning, whereas Anak's could catch SOMETHING fishy. Problem is now that he is outed too.
Also, I can confirm that what Anak claimed is what he claimed to me verbatim.
I am a Neighborizer, and was looking forward to having a nice little group of chatters hidden in the shadows. I have been very quiet this game for the sake of preserving my little gambit. I wanted people to hate on me. I always do my best work when I get some aggro headed my way, but I figured it would take some time before that happened, and by then I would have a couple friends in our little chat. But, since it's just Anak and I, you will have to choose to believe us or not. At the very least this should help the town to limit choices. It ties he and I together, though there is the still the lingering possibility that he may be Mafia, as he isn't mod-confirmed or anything. I just wholeheartedly believe that he's town.
Which leads us to who I think may be Mafia. My T/S list is where I am at, but here are the reasons.
Ghosting has been focusing on mechanics and not behavior. Shadow has been hiding away and treating EVERYTHING with kid's gloves. Doesn't take hard stances, leaves everything up in the air, and ESPECIALLY has left me alone. I suspect it's because he is nervous after last game where I called him out, so he's avoided me.
Meteor, as you see above, has either been bit by the OMGUS bug or is picking out the low poster as an opportunistic jump. I don't see much else that could be his excuse for pushing me for so long.
Scarbo was a gut read. If I had to pick between DV or him, it would be Scarbo.
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@D_V: Sorry, I'm not going to take play advice from someone who claimed to be a Tracker, got CCed, withdrew that claim, and also claimed to be a Neutral on Day 1. How on earth does any of that benefit the town? All you've done with your play is generate WIFOM and contributed nothing of value whatsoever to solving the gamestate. This is basically how you threw the game in that one Mini where I replaced in, screamed that we should lynch Atog based on his first post or two, got completely ignored, and we lynched JD and lost.
{мы, тьма}
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I never once claimed to be tracker.
PLEASE GO READ THE ******* GAME
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm still not sure why you stopped (or even started) scumreading me.
Zzzz
Like.
I know exactly what you did.
You skimmed posts saw someone say that, because that was said. And then sheeped them for that.
You are so scummy.
Cause scum. Mate just going with the path of least resistance.
You pretended to read to get town cred but actually hadn't and just looked for things to manufacture attacks on people.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@D_V: Sorry, I'm not going to take play advice from someone who claimed to be a Tracker, got CCed, withdrew that claim, and also claimed to be a Neutral on Day 1. How on earth does any of that benefit the town? All you've done with your play is generate WIFOM and contributed nothing of value whatsoever to solving the gamestate. This is basically how you threw the game in that one Mini where I replaced in, screamed that we should lynch Atog based on his first post or two, got completely ignored, and we lynched JD and lost.
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Nothing.
Not a single thing.
I have never claimed to have read more of the game than I've read, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from.
Not to mention you completely failed to address everything I actually said about you contributing 0 value to the town, choosing instead to nitpick the fact that I saw someone say you claimed Tracker and retracted that claim.
So again, I ask: What ******* planet do you live on?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You literally even state that you're not doing town things, here, so I'm not sure where you get off criticizing the fact that I think your play has been absolutely unhelpful to the town. I mean, really.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
"I've not read the game But I know you haven't done anything"
-Brilliant.
That's literally like my 4th post.
Desperate much?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I want to lynch you now.
Funny, because I'm still reading the game and your interactions with Arcwind look terrible.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso contributed less and formed less effective of an argument in this game than in other games that he played as town in.
I don't feel his prowess as an experienced town in this game.
So I am town to you? Or scum?
I literally haven't finished reading the game and people aren't listening to me because of it. Also, this is obscenely opportunistic of you with the blood in the water.
My scum reads are Ghosting, Huntzilla, and one of you/scarbo.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
popping in to say hello & this is the sort of thing that makes me thing DV is scum
I don't see a world where town!Anak thinks that someone who posted like %2 of the game is a better option for town than himself who is also a Watcher.
I also don't see a world where town!Anak wants a massclaim that might reveal a Doc for no reason after all the posts he made about saving our PRs.
Starting to think he might be sacrificing himself for a mafia PR, or I might be just really tunneling on Hunt.
Lets wait for Hunt and see what he has to say.
@Iso - Whats your case on Ghosting except "Ghosting's entrance is underwhelming AND he's somehow townreading Hunt"?
@scarbo - Why does that question make D_V mafia?
I legit don't know who Iso is talking about.
The dead scum we lynched on Day 1.
No, he's just incapable of reading.
I'm glad you asked!
Since I'm so annoyed at being behind and being berated for being behind, I'm speedreading the rest of the thread with minimal commentary and a scrutinizing eye on the way the arcwind wagon came about.
Okay, I've confirmed Vaimes as town for interactions with arcwind.
Cantrip seems fine for his interactions with arcwind.
Rodemy seems fine for his interactions with arcwind.
Arcwind's vote on scarbo seems bus-y.
Ghosting still reads as scum to me. (#239 reads like a major slip, along with just basically everything he posts.) And holy ****, #459 is a gigantic red "SCUMBUDDIES" flag with arcwind. Additionally, he tried to form a counterwagon on Rhand when the arcwind wagon was almost complete.
Wow, Ophidia ran in to stomp on the brakes for Ghosting TWICE. That looks pretty terrible for him. And then the #308 follow-up. I'm definitely reconsidering my Ophidia read.
Arcwind's T/S list solidly suggests that my view of the gamestate is correct.
D_V and Cantrip's votes on arcwind are garbage. That said, arcwind's counter-push on D_V is just as bad, which at least looks okay for him.
Rhand seems fine for his interactions with arcwind.
I don't really get what scarbo is getting at with Cantrip, but he at least is on board with arcwind's lynch after the claim, so, whatever.
shadow seems fine for his interactions with arcwind.
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So we're lynching Ghosting toDay, period.
Unvote, Vote Ghosting
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'll answer your question even though you ignore mine (and Rhands).
Where in #239 do you see a scumslip, and what in #459 scream scumbuddies (considering Cantrip has similar response in #458).
Rhand and Ghosting seemed to think all Day 1 each other is a mafia, so its not like Ghosting started the wagon out of nowhere.
Nope, not seeing your case here.
Nah.
You don't need to. I just need to convince enough people to lynch Ghosting; you don't have to be a part of that. (Also, you're ignoring my points on Ghosting in my initial 4-page notes.)
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
#487 (Huntzilla) - "the fact that you are trying to make it be THIS WAY and NO OTHER is concerning."
Pretty weak case in retrospect. Ghosting said D_V made the kill which on further thought doesn't make sense because he could have told his scummates, so I don't see scum!Ghosting pushing a point he knows can be easily refuted. Anyway waiting to hear from Huntzilla so lets put that aside.
#988 (Shadow) - "It is severely concerning to me that you're town reading Iso for his reads being similar to yours, despite the fact that HE HASN'T EVEN READ THE GAME! Talk to me about how that comes from a town perspective"
That vote was weird to me at the time, I mean Iso had some reads he posted based on reading the start of Day 2. Thats like saying you can't townread someone at the beggining of the game for his thoughts after 2 pages.
@Shadow - can you explain that vote again?
#1144 (Anak) - Scum points to everyone voting for the RB to claim, and special scum points to Ghosting for saying if that fails to get the Doc to claim
Once again someone seems to try and twist Ghosting words. He didn't say that, and I actually read him as town for the RB claim proposal as it was a good idea IMO. Another reason why Anak is probably mafia.
#1144 (D_V) - No reason
Still won't answer Rhand why the vote. Most worrying vote on the wagon.
#1354 (Iso) - Weak case
How does asking you "Whats your case on Ghosting except "Ghosting's entrance is underwhelming AND he's somehow townreading Hunt"?" is ignoring your initial 4-page notes? Another worrying vote. BTW, your r_0 case in theh inital notes still doesn't make sense, I read it again. He was clearly townreading Ghosting for his enterance. Good luck with convincing others though.
Lol I won't be surprised if the rest of the scum team is all on this wagon.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You scumread Ghosting for townreading Hunt and you also hated his enterance post.
Then you townread r_0 and when he townread Ghosting and specifically said he liked his enterance post, you didn't even note it or it bothered you.
It doesn't make sense (to me).
Bolded is rediculous and makes me wonder what mindset it is from.
Why would we lynch whoever d_v calls scum? You even said it was hard to believe d_v because of hs lies. Why believe him now?
Why can't both scarbo and d_v be scum
Anuks claim of tracker has me baffled. Too many prs to deal with.
Gotta go to work.
Been super busy recently, sorry.
If it doesn't make sense to you, it's because you're not parsing it beyond surface level. I've already explained it thoroughly enough that you should understand, but I'm willing to do it one last time if you still decide you can't figure out what's going on.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso(2): Vaimes, D_V
Vaimes(1): scarbo
Ghosting(3): Huntzilla, Anaklusmos, Iso
D_V(1): Cantripmancer
Anaklusmos(3): Rhand, Mete0rShower, Ghosting
Huntzilla is being prodded. I wasn't around during the heat but I'd like to ask everyone to remain civil and hate the game not the player
Also deadline is looming.
Meteor continues to ask good questions.
I feel like Iso is getting flak primarily for having bad reads, which stem from not having enough time to read the game before presenting proper reads. That said, if he agreed to replace in (Iso, I don't know if you did or if Brin just railroaded you in), then he should commit the time--ASAP--to finishing his read (or skim) and giving more comprehensive reads. Right now I feel like he's never going to engage if he continues getting hated on.
Nothing about Anak's claim makes sense to me except his claimed target. But...claimed PR. And my vote on DV isn't doing anything and isn't necessarily appropriate, as I'm less sure that his actions--if we really know his full situation now--were malicious. So, for now:
Unvote DV, Vote Huntzilla
I will unfortunately be in and out all weekend, with no guarantee that I will be able to post significantly, but I'll try to keep an eye on things and contribute as I can. I will be able to do much more on Monday. I realize that's really close to the deadline, but...can't be helped.
I'm not sure how I feel about lynching Ghosting/Hunt now that Iso is gunning for both of them, but. Eh. Could be wrong, could be bussing.
Unvote
Vote Huntzilla
If he doesn't get back in a timely manner then Anak needs to spill the beans already.
Rhand, sorry I didn't get to this before, I missed it.
It doesn't make a lot of sesne really, which makes it WIFOM, or scarbo and the jailer are both town.
Why exactly?
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@Meteor: Ghosting was townreading Iso based on his reads, which were solely based on the beginning of day 2, which is vastly different than if we were only 2 pages into the game. Having reads based on 2 pages is fine if that's all you've read, but sheeping those reads when you know that they're based on 10% of the game is at best foolish, and at worst manipulative. I don't see any reason to townread someone when they are reacting solely to a brief snippet of the game (and indeed, Iso's reads have changed as he reads the rest of the game). Basically it felt like ghosting was being both safe in regards to dealing with Iso (which makes me think they are less likely to be scum together), but also promoted bad play as acceptable.
With the PR situation getting solved tomorrow, and deadline looming, I think ghosting is our best bet to get the most information.
vote ghosting
If he flips scum, Iso is soft cleared.
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@Iso: Please stop being condescending.
What else do you find scummy about me?
Is there anything you find townie?
Of all the players, you genuinely feel I'm the scummiest?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Yuck.
This stuff.
Unvote Vote Ghosting
Like how is this even a real wagon right now, I can't help but think scum are dying to get this mislynch in.
Tell me how my lunch is more informative than the lynch of players we know odds point to at least one of being scum? I've posted paragraphs upon paragraphs explaining this, which you are welcome to reference.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
@Vaimes: Yeah, I decided that you can be town.
Also, how do you feel about Cantrip being scum instead of Huntzilla? He didn't give me a whole lot to townread him off of with regards to his interactions with Arcwind, and in general.
@Cantrip: I finished my read and posted my reads accordingly.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Hunts a Neighboring, after N1 he invited me in and we have a daychat and nightchat running at all times.
I claimed to him immediately upon entering the neighbor chat, so he could verify my claim if he ever showed up.
I'll get to you in just a minute...
You are correct on one point however, and that is that I have been purposefully dodgey this game.
The answer is neither, whether you like it or not. If you had to kill one of us, I would say me simply because my role, while normally a VERY townie role doesn't lead to us winning, whereas Anak's could catch SOMETHING fishy. Problem is now that he is outed too.
Also, I can confirm that what Anak claimed is what he claimed to me verbatim.
I am a Neighborizer, and was looking forward to having a nice little group of chatters hidden in the shadows. I have been very quiet this game for the sake of preserving my little gambit. I wanted people to hate on me. I always do my best work when I get some aggro headed my way, but I figured it would take some time before that happened, and by then I would have a couple friends in our little chat. But, since it's just Anak and I, you will have to choose to believe us or not. At the very least this should help the town to limit choices. It ties he and I together, though there is the still the lingering possibility that he may be Mafia, as he isn't mod-confirmed or anything. I just wholeheartedly believe that he's town.
Which leads us to who I think may be Mafia. My T/S list is where I am at, but here are the reasons.
Ghosting has been focusing on mechanics and not behavior. Shadow has been hiding away and treating EVERYTHING with kid's gloves. Doesn't take hard stances, leaves everything up in the air, and ESPECIALLY has left me alone. I suspect it's because he is nervous after last game where I called him out, so he's avoided me.
Meteor, as you see above, has either been bit by the OMGUS bug or is picking out the low poster as an opportunistic jump. I don't see much else that could be his excuse for pushing me for so long.
Scarbo was a gut read. If I had to pick between DV or him, it would be Scarbo.
Other questions you all need answered yet?