2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And yet you were content to let Az townread you for it and push my lynch for pushing on you! What a spectacularly townie line of play.
this is dumb
Why would town eco care why people were townreading him?
Making people think you're a PR is exactly what he professed to be doing.
what.
How is that town in the slightest? If Cyan were alive and town, he'd snaplynch Eco for this.
Az was scumreading me largely because I was pushing Eco, who Az thought was a town PR. The way Eco has interacted with me all game had read like scum attempting to handle a townie (I mean seriously, look at all of that dismissing and attempted demoralization). This indicates Eco thought I was town...which his brief push against me contradicted. So my question is, how is it conducive to a town mindset to let Az push someone Eco treated as town with his interactions all game as scum?
Additionally, look at the posts where Eco DOES interact with me - he's not trying to figure me out or understand my argument. All he did all game long was ad hom me.
Guys I'm hipster townreading eco.
Im stealing that term from tammy.
Let's lynch seppel who I have no actual opinion on.
Let's not. Instead, let's lynch the last scum...who is sitting at 4 votes.
Like, if Eco were town here, I'd fully expect the last scum to have hammered by now and be like "WELP GUESS ISO WAS WRONG" when the next Day came. The only way Eco isn't scum is if it's Nacho or Voxx, and given their voting patterns, no way is that the case.
It's. Freaking. Eco.
...
Wait.
Are you secretly scumreading Eco and trolling me by not hammering him?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Nacho: I am, I'm just pointing it out as yet another reason you're town in case some people still had doubt. Also, we could always be super nice to Eco while lynching him and not make him have to actually try to survive by ending the game, now.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
OK. I reread the game, trying to look at interactions with Cyan/GJ to evaluate who could be the third and final scum.
Chris is mason. Confirmed town is confirmed.
Vaimes: GJ and Cyan both tried to push Vaimes, actively and early.While I think that if Vaimes was the third, he'd rate his scum game below the others and volunteer be the victim for a "2 scum bus the third hard for town cred" strategy if that was the plan, it should have been dropped as Vaimes became more widely town read. Instead Cyan and GJ just got agitated that their obv scum read wasn't getting run up, which isn't the reaction you'd get from a deliberate bus. In any case, GJ and Cyan were so disengaged I don't think they'd have planned such a coherent strategy pregame anyway. I also noted that Vaimes response in #121 just wasn't tacit understanding of a bus at all. So combined with the fact that I already had an independent Town read on Vaimes, I don't think there's any way he could actually be the last.
Iso: I basically said this at the start of the Day, but Iso is only scum if he deliberately decided to put together a team including his other 2 buddies 100 posts into D1. The goal would then be to lynch Eco, see the Town flip, go "oh no mah read r wrong" and then still claim credit if his buddies ever did flip. While I wouldn't put that completely outside Iso's scum range, he was way too happy to vote Cyan/GJ instead - particularly on D2 - which obviously ruins the gambit. If (/when) I do die, you need to watch Iso very carefully: if he just peaces out then maybe it really was the long con, but I really think he'd have either made sure I was lynched sooner, or tried to back out of the gambit.
Nacho: There's not of interaction with Cyan/GJ. That's kind of understandable because there was a pretty long period where there wasn't anyone in the slot. Worth noting is that GJ frequently listed Mal as a third scum on D1 (#130, #250 for example), basically just calling out lurking. GJ is unlikely to do that to a buddy when it would be so easy to say "he's just absent, null read": it reads a lot like he's keeping hooks in a soft target, not distancing. Then in #789, GJ magically calls Nacho's slot town immediately after Nacho voted Cyan. That's textbook appeasement there, not buddy play. I also think that come #1138 Nacho is really unlikely to put Cyan right at the bottom of his scum list. It would take a lot of balls to come right into D2 and sent your only remaining buddy up the river, and while I don't really know how that might fit into Nacho's wheelhouse, I don't think he's deep enough in the Town circle to risk getting away with that. The better plan would probably have been "lynch Eco, make Cyan post more".
Voxx: I've been over this before, right. I see Voxx very reluctantly narrowing down his PoE to Cyan and GJ in #429. He calls out Cyan in #481, but doesn't vote and just waffles on his position, actually calling him Townish in
#505. Is suspicious of Iso in #476 for being too confident. The problem? Reading back again, if Voxx really is scum then I *think* he'd have gone at his buddies way harder. Once he's realised that he's painted himself into a corner by PoEing down to only his buddies, I think that scum Voxx says "so be it" and throws them totally under the bus to maximise town credit. That's almost what he did, but less emphatically and with different timing than I imagine scum Voxx doing. I don't think I could bring myself to actually trust Voxx, but he's fallen off my top spot.
Tom: Tom's spent a lot of time on my "eh" list, since I wasn't particularly excited about parsing the spider talk. But there was actually a lot of interesting stuff. Like in #504 he votes Voxx immediately after Voxx votes GJ. Or in #850 Tom has no read on Cyan: basically the only person without one. In #951 Tom is really keen to sow doubt to Iso around GJ's reaction to my wagon, and he especially singles out the idea that scum GJ wouldn't know how to handle a Town Eco wagon. #984, Tom immediately accepts the Doc claim. While that was before any counterclaims, the raw Doc claim shouldn't have been above scepticism (Doc+masons is already strong, no flavour was provided),a and he was still cool with it in #998. #1031, Tom is keen to remind us that Iso/Chris/Az was a valid scum team, just to keep the idea floating around. And since we're speculating on NKs, but since people already are, recall that Az was the main crusader in wanting Tom dead. Coming into toDay, Tom has this hipster Town read on me, but he's not actually doing anything about it other than not hammering me (which - despite Iso's assertions - would look super scummy) which is almost exactly what he did in the recently finished Bare Bones where he defended Mindreaver but didn't do anything to actively prevent his lynch.
Seppel: On the surface, Seppel looks pretty obvious. He's floated through the game, without really contributing much, and his more recent posts look very much like someone who has just given up. Other tidbits like in #215 he said "Voxx seems smellier than Eco" followed by a vote on...Eco, which is gross. #942 looks very solidly like a last ditch attempt to derail the GJ wagon with a vote on Iso.
Also troubling is that both Voxx and Tom are up for lynching Seppel. Seppel being scum would be nice and easy, but it's definitely a red flag when BOTH of my other two possibles want someone dead.
Hey Iso, if you don't think your mind can be changed then fine, there's no point wasting our time, but if you're genuinely interested in a dialogue, I'll have one with you. We've only really talked at each other previously. You're right that you have discussed "what if Eco is Town?" before, and I get that you're not interested in re-evaluating before you have to because you've earned that confidence. What I wanted to see was your working: not just names, but why those people and why scum Eco makes more sense than them.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If you were pocketing me, you'd be defending. All you're doing is Townreading me for easy points.
you think me defending you would make a difference at this point?
or that i think i would get towncred for it if you flip town rather than attacked for TMI?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I think most of the resistance to hammering Eco is something between "we don't want Iso to have been right all along" and "Iso bussed his entire team to chain-lynch through several townies after the fact."
That's not exactly something we can deal with until after Eco is dead.
Who else should even be lynched over Eco right now? He (and Cyan) tried to push on Iso while Cyan and GJ were getting run up. GJ probably didn't join them because lol all three scum on a wagon.
Small thing, but I think scum were trying to keep GJ alive because they wanted to see if Newcomb was Bodyguard or Bulletproof and plan their kill accordingly. I don't think Newcomb ever hardconfirmed ITT which one he was, just that his role started with a B. Honestly, from his play, I assumed Bulletproof.
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Vote Count 1.11
[4] Cyan - Iso, Vaimes, Nachomamma8, Seppel
[3] Gentleman Johnny - Voxxicus, Sir Chris, Newcomb
[2] Vaimes - Cyan, Gentleman Johnny
[2] Iso - Ecophagy, Azrael
[1] Voxxicus - tomsloger
Vote Count 1.12
[5] Iso - Ecophagy, Azrael, tomsloger, Cyan, Seppel
[4] Gentleman Johnny - Voxxicus, Sir Chris, Newcomb, Vaimes
[2] Cyan - Iso, Nachomamma8
[1] Vaimes - Gentleman Johnny
Vote Count 1.13
[6] Gentleman Johnny - Voxxicus, Sir Chris, Newcomb, Vaimes, Iso, Seppel
[3] Iso - Ecophagy, tomsloger, Cyan
[1] Cyan - Nachomamma8
[1] Vaimes - Gentleman Johnny
Not Voting: Azrael
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Like. Come on.
Scum PR gets wagoned, and counterwagon is the guy who pushed the scum PR (and another scum!).
Does anyone think that Eco AND tom are both town, with how EoD1 went?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also, tom, do you actually think I could possibly be scum at this point?
Two scum tried to get me lynched. I have the Newcomb seal of approval. There's only one scum left, and Iso isn't close to convinced it's me, even if Eco flips town.
(And if Iso is scum, well, that also means I'm not.)
Am I fooling Nacho, Iso, Newcomb, Voxx? All at the same time?
What's your favorite type of spider, tom? I'll share mine once you do.
I'm assuming scum tried to save their PR. Cyan + possible buddy on Iso in the EoD1 votal.
so thats enough for you to say theres 2 scum in 3 names?
like, sure maybe.
it could still be eco.
but, like, him voting iso was pretty damn reasonable.
i was and im not the one iso was trying to lynch.
seppel, in particular, being on iso when the wagon wagon was biggest and being on gj for eod looks well worse to me
Also, tom, do you actually think I could possibly be scum at this point?
Two scum tried to get me lynched. I have the Newcomb seal of approval. There's only one scum left, and Iso isn't close to convinced it's me, even if Eco flips town.
(And if Iso is scum, well, that also means I'm not.)
Am I fooling Nacho, Iso, Newcomb, Voxx? All at the same time?
What's your favorite type of spider, tom? I'll share mine once you do.
sure, this interactions with dead scum point to you being town.
theres still something off about you this game and im not ready to clear you.
i dont actually have much opinion on spiders.
i kill them in my house because my roommate is terrified of them.
but i rather enjoy a nice dew covered spider web.
so whatever kind makes those.
Nobody seems interested in reviewing Voxx aside from me, so I'll pick up that mantle.
Of note I'm intrigued by Eco's analysis of Nacho and Tom. Nacho because it makes me feel like Nacho is town, and Tom because I really shouldn't be AtE'd by a spider.
All the other reads including my own are obvious. I've moved to the background because I felt like we were playing "Iso is always right" instead of mafia.
@Eco: Who did you specifically want to discuss with me?
It's more about what you want to discuss. If you're feeling open to having your mind changed, we could look at your keys points against me and I can attempt to rebut them. Instead of just talking past each other, which is what we've done so far.
Nobody seems interested in reviewing Voxx aside from me, so I'll pick up that mantle.
Of note I'm intrigued by Eco's analysis of Nacho and Tom. Nacho because it makes me feel like Nacho is town, and Tom because I really shouldn't be AtE'd by a spider.
All the other reads including my own are obvious. I've moved to the background because I felt like we were playing "Iso is always right" instead of mafia.
Also, tom, do you actually think I could possibly be scum at this point?
Two scum tried to get me lynched. I have the Newcomb seal of approval. There's only one scum left, and Iso isn't close to convinced it's me, even if Eco flips town.
(And if Iso is scum, well, that also means I'm not.)
Am I fooling Nacho, Iso, Newcomb, Voxx? All at the same time?
What's your favorite type of spider, tom? I'll share mine once you do.
sure, this interactions with dead scum point to you being town.
theres still something off about you this game and im not ready to clear you.
i dont actually have much opinion on spiders.
i kill them in my house because my roommate is terrified of them.
but i rather enjoy a nice dew covered spider web.
so whatever kind makes those.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I mean. If Vaimes is scum yes I think you're almost definitely town. Because I'm town, Newcomb is town, and it'd be utterly pointless to try and bus Vaimes when we'd dig our heels in a bit on his lynch.
I kind of like this post.
I kind of don't like that there's no GJ/Voxx or Cyan/Voxx interactions.
I think the logic works on 'is this possible' level, but I've sort of come around to the possibility of Eco himself being town.
Like, do you legitimately think there's no world possible where only 1-2 of those 3 are scum, and Mal and Tom or something are in there? (Just naming names of people who haven't had major presence and could be MIA scum or hiding-behind-shtick scum)
This follows perfectly with Voxx's scumread on Cyan and GJ. To be scumreading both your buddies and talking to Iso about how Iso (who also has Cyan and GJ in his trio) is so sure about his reads...
It just reads like Voxx is in his own little townie bumper car, trying to figure things out for himself.
[4] Ecophagy - Iso, Vaimes, Nachomamma8, Seppel
[2] Seppel - Ecophagy, tomsloger
Not Voting: Voxxicus, Sir Chris
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Wednesday, December 28th at 9:00 PM EST.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why would town eco care why people were townreading him?
Making people think you're a PR is exactly what he professed to be doing.
Im stealing that term from tammy.
Let's lynch seppel who I have no actual opinion on.
what.
How is that town in the slightest? If Cyan were alive and town, he'd snaplynch Eco for this.
Az was scumreading me largely because I was pushing Eco, who Az thought was a town PR. The way Eco has interacted with me all game had read like scum attempting to handle a townie (I mean seriously, look at all of that dismissing and attempted demoralization). This indicates Eco thought I was town...which his brief push against me contradicted. So my question is, how is it conducive to a town mindset to let Az push someone Eco treated as town with his interactions all game as scum?
Additionally, look at the posts where Eco DOES interact with me - he's not trying to figure me out or understand my argument. All he did all game long was ad hom me.
How on earth do you think this guy is town?
Let's not. Instead, let's lynch the last scum...who is sitting at 4 votes.
Like, if Eco were town here, I'd fully expect the last scum to have hammered by now and be like "WELP GUESS ISO WAS WRONG" when the next Day came. The only way Eco isn't scum is if it's Nacho or Voxx, and given their voting patterns, no way is that the case.
It's. Freaking. Eco.
...
Wait.
Are you secretly scumreading Eco and trolling me by not hammering him?
Because I would not put that past you.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
is playing devil's advocate the same as trolling you?
are games this easy?
is eco scum?
I'm happy to wait for Eco to produce what he wants to produce; everyone deserves a proper last stand.
@Nacho: I am, I'm just pointing it out as yet another reason you're town in case some people still had doubt. Also, we could always be super nice to Eco while lynching him and not make him have to actually try to survive by ending the game, now.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Chris is mason. Confirmed town is confirmed.
Vaimes: GJ and Cyan both tried to push Vaimes, actively and early.While I think that if Vaimes was the third, he'd rate his scum game below the others and volunteer be the victim for a "2 scum bus the third hard for town cred" strategy if that was the plan, it should have been dropped as Vaimes became more widely town read. Instead Cyan and GJ just got agitated that their obv scum read wasn't getting run up, which isn't the reaction you'd get from a deliberate bus. In any case, GJ and Cyan were so disengaged I don't think they'd have planned such a coherent strategy pregame anyway. I also noted that Vaimes response in #121 just wasn't tacit understanding of a bus at all. So combined with the fact that I already had an independent Town read on Vaimes, I don't think there's any way he could actually be the last.
Iso: I basically said this at the start of the Day, but Iso is only scum if he deliberately decided to put together a team including his other 2 buddies 100 posts into D1. The goal would then be to lynch Eco, see the Town flip, go "oh no mah read r wrong" and then still claim credit if his buddies ever did flip. While I wouldn't put that completely outside Iso's scum range, he was way too happy to vote Cyan/GJ instead - particularly on D2 - which obviously ruins the gambit. If (/when) I do die, you need to watch Iso very carefully: if he just peaces out then maybe it really was the long con, but I really think he'd have either made sure I was lynched sooner, or tried to back out of the gambit.
Nacho: There's not of interaction with Cyan/GJ. That's kind of understandable because there was a pretty long period where there wasn't anyone in the slot. Worth noting is that GJ frequently listed Mal as a third scum on D1 (#130, #250 for example), basically just calling out lurking. GJ is unlikely to do that to a buddy when it would be so easy to say "he's just absent, null read": it reads a lot like he's keeping hooks in a soft target, not distancing. Then in #789, GJ magically calls Nacho's slot town immediately after Nacho voted Cyan. That's textbook appeasement there, not buddy play. I also think that come #1138 Nacho is really unlikely to put Cyan right at the bottom of his scum list. It would take a lot of balls to come right into D2 and sent your only remaining buddy up the river, and while I don't really know how that might fit into Nacho's wheelhouse, I don't think he's deep enough in the Town circle to risk getting away with that. The better plan would probably have been "lynch Eco, make Cyan post more".
Voxx: I've been over this before, right. I see Voxx very reluctantly narrowing down his PoE to Cyan and GJ in #429. He calls out Cyan in #481, but doesn't vote and just waffles on his position, actually calling him Townish in
#505. Is suspicious of Iso in #476 for being too confident. The problem? Reading back again, if Voxx really is scum then I *think* he'd have gone at his buddies way harder. Once he's realised that he's painted himself into a corner by PoEing down to only his buddies, I think that scum Voxx says "so be it" and throws them totally under the bus to maximise town credit. That's almost what he did, but less emphatically and with different timing than I imagine scum Voxx doing. I don't think I could bring myself to actually trust Voxx, but he's fallen off my top spot.
Tom: Tom's spent a lot of time on my "eh" list, since I wasn't particularly excited about parsing the spider talk. But there was actually a lot of interesting stuff. Like in #504 he votes Voxx immediately after Voxx votes GJ. Or in #850 Tom has no read on Cyan: basically the only person without one. In #951 Tom is really keen to sow doubt to Iso around GJ's reaction to my wagon, and he especially singles out the idea that scum GJ wouldn't know how to handle a Town Eco wagon. #984, Tom immediately accepts the Doc claim. While that was before any counterclaims, the raw Doc claim shouldn't have been above scepticism (Doc+masons is already strong, no flavour was provided),a and he was still cool with it in #998. #1031, Tom is keen to remind us that Iso/Chris/Az was a valid scum team, just to keep the idea floating around. And since we're speculating on NKs, but since people already are, recall that Az was the main crusader in wanting Tom dead. Coming into toDay, Tom has this hipster Town read on me, but he's not actually doing anything about it other than not hammering me (which - despite Iso's assertions - would look super scummy) which is almost exactly what he did in the recently finished Bare Bones where he defended Mindreaver but didn't do anything to actively prevent his lynch.
Seppel: On the surface, Seppel looks pretty obvious. He's floated through the game, without really contributing much, and his more recent posts look very much like someone who has just given up. Other tidbits like in #215 he said "Voxx seems smellier than Eco" followed by a vote on...Eco, which is gross. #942 looks very solidly like a last ditch attempt to derail the GJ wagon with a vote on Iso.
Also troubling is that both Voxx and Tom are up for lynching Seppel. Seppel being scum would be nice and easy, but it's definitely a red flag when BOTH of my other two possibles want someone dead.
Vote Tomsloger.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If you were pocketing me, you'd be defending. All you're doing is Townreading me for easy points.
you think me defending you would make a difference at this point?
or that i think i would get towncred for it if you flip town rather than attacked for TMI?
i dont think either of those is true.
So why do you think I'm town?
someone had to
"are games this easy?
is eco scum?"
While also voting Seppel because he "wants you to".
If you genuinely think I'm town, then try and stop my lynch and actually try and find the last scum.
Sorry for thinking outside the box.
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@Eco: Who did you specifically want to discuss with me?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
though him choosing to ask it now in NAGL.
so im pretty conflicted about this post
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
[4] Ecophagy - Iso, Vaimes, Nachomamma8, Seppel
[1] Seppel - tomsloger
[1] tomsloger - Ecophagy
Not Voting: Voxxicus, Sir Chris
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Wednesday, December 28th at 9:00 PM EST.
I think most of the resistance to hammering Eco is something between "we don't want Iso to have been right all along" and "Iso bussed his entire team to chain-lynch through several townies after the fact."
That's not exactly something we can deal with until after Eco is dead.
Who else should even be lynched over Eco right now? He (and Cyan) tried to push on Iso while Cyan and GJ were getting run up. GJ probably didn't join them because lol all three scum on a wagon.
Small thing, but I think scum were trying to keep GJ alive because they wanted to see if Newcomb was Bodyguard or Bulletproof and plan their kill accordingly. I don't think Newcomb ever hardconfirmed ITT which one he was, just that his role started with a B. Honestly, from his play, I assumed Bulletproof.
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Vote Count 1.11
[4] Cyan - Iso, Vaimes, Nachomamma8, Seppel
[3] Gentleman Johnny - Voxxicus, Sir Chris, Newcomb
[2] Vaimes - Cyan, Gentleman Johnny
[2] Iso - Ecophagy, Azrael
[1] Voxxicus - tomsloger
Vote Count 1.12
[5] Iso - Ecophagy, Azrael, tomsloger, Cyan, Seppel
[4] Gentleman Johnny - Voxxicus, Sir Chris, Newcomb, Vaimes
[2] Cyan - Iso, Nachomamma8
[1] Vaimes - Gentleman Johnny
Vote Count 1.13
[6] Gentleman Johnny - Voxxicus, Sir Chris, Newcomb, Vaimes, Iso, Seppel
[3] Iso - Ecophagy, tomsloger, Cyan
[1] Cyan - Nachomamma8
[1] Vaimes - Gentleman Johnny
Not Voting: Azrael
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Like. Come on.
Scum PR gets wagoned, and counterwagon is the guy who pushed the scum PR (and another scum!).
Does anyone think that Eco AND tom are both town, with how EoD1 went?
(though I'm curious as to which specific sequence of events you are referring)
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
i can definitely see seppel/voxx/you/nacho as scum in those votecounts.
Also, once again, I'm not going to scumread myself.
Yeah, that's probably true, but I'm lazy, the game is stagnating hard, and Iso is pretty much running the show, so.
I'll get you popsicles.
Two scum tried to get me lynched. I have the Newcomb seal of approval. There's only one scum left, and Iso isn't close to convinced it's me, even if Eco flips town.
(And if Iso is scum, well, that also means I'm not.)
Am I fooling Nacho, Iso, Newcomb, Voxx? All at the same time?
What's your favorite type of spider, tom? I'll share mine once you do.
like, sure maybe.
it could still be eco.
but, like, him voting iso was pretty damn reasonable.
i was and im not the one iso was trying to lynch.
seppel, in particular, being on iso when the wagon wagon was biggest and being on gj for eod looks well worse to me
theres still something off about you this game and im not ready to clear you.
i dont actually have much opinion on spiders.
i kill them in my house because my roommate is terrified of them.
but i rather enjoy a nice dew covered spider web.
so whatever kind makes those.
Nobody seems interested in reviewing Voxx aside from me, so I'll pick up that mantle.
Of note I'm intrigued by Eco's analysis of Nacho and Tom. Nacho because it makes me feel like Nacho is town, and Tom because I really shouldn't be AtE'd by a spider.
All the other reads including my own are obvious. I've moved to the background because I felt like we were playing "Iso is always right" instead of mafia.
Dude, if you actually believed that, you'd have voted me.
It's more about what you want to discuss. If you're feeling open to having your mind changed, we could look at your keys points against me and I can attempt to rebut them. Instead of just talking past each other, which is what we've done so far.
Have I not reviewed Voxx enough for you?
I guess I'm looking forward to your turn then.
I like diving bell spiders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rlt9yAhqTw
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Could you summarise them or point me at the last time you did?
Eco / Cyan
Vaimes / GJ
I kind of like this post.
I kind of don't like that there's no GJ/Voxx or Cyan/Voxx interactions.
Check out this post.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/763976-2016-mtgs-mafia-invitational-hearthstone-mafia-day?comment=429
Would scumVoxx do that?
It just reads like Voxx is in his own little townie bumper car, trying to figure things out for himself.