chris confirmed town
sticking with the soul read on thug for now. nacho needs to do some stuff though
eco seems townie but i guess the scumteam imploding as he got wagoned is a thing
iso would have to have been bussing really hard. possible, but backburnering that for now.
vaimes still feels off to me in an indefinable way
voxx is eh
seppel i left off this list until i counted
so i guess ill reread voxx/vaimes/seppel?
its very easy to get complacent here
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Isn't it being pretty picky when I was saying that while killing another scum?
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Well, I'm still Town, so lynching me is still a bad idea.
The lack of concession over Night tells me one of two things: either the scum have accepted defeat anyway and they're just going through the motions waiting for the inevitable, or they reckon they're deep enough in the Town circle that they think they can get something out of this game.
If it was the former, I'd assume the scum is with the PoE set of {Eco, Tom, Nacho, Seppel}. Of these, I think that this means Nacho probably isn't scum (because he's upbeat and invested in playing). Tom has been fairly listless since he stopped being a spider (which could just be because he's not having as much fun), but he's still at least nominally trying to work things out. Seppel, on the other hand, rises head and shoulders above the others: he's become disconnected and unmotivated as the scum have been discovered and lynched - in stark contrast to his apparent excitement at having "caught" me on D1.
If we're looking at the second possibility, life become more complicated. It would have to be someone that was bussing GJ and Cyan to believe they have enough town cred to continue fighting. Chris is obviously confirmed Town, and for Vaimes to be scum they would have had to have orchestrated an elaborate distancing plan from the start. Iso bussed them hard, but it'd take some balls to do it THAT early. Maybe if the plan was to mislynch Eco then go "oh well I guess I'm wrong about the others" to maintain "I-told-you-so" cred, but if that really was the case, he'd have tried way harder to lynch me over GJ. That only leaves Voxx, who does fit the specification: PoE'd down to Cyan and GJ but was indifferent about lynching them until GJ got counterclaimed, then all the light switched.
Willing to see how this works out, but will be hoping for a town flip so that my contribution to this game can be more than "didn't get in the way of people who solved the game already".
Willing to see how this works out, but will be hoping for a town flip so that my contribution to this game can be more than "didn't get in the way of people who solved the game already".
You could just contribute to the game now instead of needing a mislynch to do it, you know.
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Don't you think there's a reason they killed Az before you?
No.
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Maybe, I can be wrong about things this is true, but I think GJ's handling of Eco is much more indicative of trying to look good when a town member flips rather than scum on scum.
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tom: I dunno what you're trying to accomplish but I'd sincerely appreciate an Eco vote from you!
Seppel: If you plan on playing Mafia any time soon, it's within your best interest to vote for Eco.
Voxx: I know your ego will be bruised but I'd appreciate if you voted Eco so we can win, now. Thanks!
Sir Chris: As I said, vote with me toDay, and if there's a Day 4, I'll vote with you.
I only need two of you to vote for Eco so we can end the game. Seppel's not interested in winning and Voxx is V/LA for the time being, so, tom, Chris - let's be pals.
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Iso, I recognise that until I die you will not stop hounding me. What annoys me about that is that you flatly refuse to actually play the game until I'm dead, and that you're prepared to overlook Seppel playing Jester to try and call me out on ***** like "didn't claim at L-2" despite the wagon being garbage with a bunch of people voting for me just because the wagon existed.
The worst thing is that I'll flip Town, and you'll say "oh well I got 2 out of 3" and express no ability to recognise that your fundamental premise was wrong. And then you'll probably just coast through the game because you've done enough and other people can win it for you.
My mislynch is one the scum absolutely need in order to have any hope of winning. Don't just hand it to them on a silver platter, try and actually reevaluate the game.
I'd be more than happy to re-evaluate the game after you die if I haven't won by then.
You make it sound like I haven't actually considered other options or looked at other possibilities. I have, it's just that the events surrounding your wagon + your interactions with GJ and Cyan have me keep coming back to you. It's not that I haven't looked elsewhere - it's that you're just far and above the most likely person in the game to be scum.
Trying to make me look unreasonable is a dishonest approach to this and you should know better than that.
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@Cyan: So I'm magically part of the scum team, but you haven't actually given any explanation of why or even hinted at a scum read of me until now? This is just an incredibly obvious attempt to join the bandwagon and force my mislynch through. Vote Cyan
Blame your scumbuddies for bussing you if you want to be mad at someone.
@Cyan: So I'm magically part of the scum team, but you haven't actually given any explanation of why or even hinted at a scum read of me until now? This is just an incredibly obvious attempt to join the bandwagon and force my mislynch through. Vote Cyan
Blame your scumbuddies for bussing you if you want to be mad at someone.
So salty!
Unvote, vote Eco
see its weird because that quoted post makes me want to lynch eco less
I'd be more than happy to re-evaluate the game after you die if I haven't won by then.
You make it sound like I haven't actually considered other options or looked at other possibilities. I have, it's just that the events surrounding your wagon + your interactions with GJ and Cyan have me keep coming back to you. It's not that I haven't looked elsewhere - it's that you're just far and above the most likely person in the game to be scum.
Trying to make me look unreasonable is a dishonest approach to this and you should know better than that.
That's what I mean: why do you have to spend a mislynch to re-evaluate? I don't see any evidence of you considering any alternative. People have asked "what if Eco flips town?" and you just say "won't happen, don't care". So if you've actually considered other possibilities, show your working.
"What if Eco flips town?" is a question I've answered no fewer than three times. The fact that you've ignored my posts where I do so doesn't change that fact, and is, once again, extremely dishonest of you.
In other news: One more vote to the Eco lynch! Who else wants to ride my coattails to victory?
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"What if Eco flips town?" is a question I've answered no fewer than three times. The fact that you've ignored my posts where I do so doesn't change that fact, and is, once again, extremely dishonest of you.
Alright then, I don't recall those instances. Could you point me at them? I tried looking but the search function actually sucks.
Oh and claiming: I'm Argent Squire. I like Burritos. I'm vanilla town. I tried to hint at being power on D1 because I figured if I could get through the Day, scum might waste a kill on me, which would have been pretty great. Then someone thought that outing the masons would be a good idea, which rendered my attempt somewhat moot.
Iso, I recognise that until I die you will not stop hounding me. What annoys me about that is that you flatly refuse to actually play the game until I'm dead, and that you're prepared to overlook Seppel playing Jester to try and call me out on ***** like "didn't claim at L-2" despite the wagon being garbage with a bunch of people voting for me just because the wagon existed.
The worst thing is that I'll flip Town, and you'll say "oh well I got 2 out of 3" and express no ability to recognise that your fundamental premise was wrong. And then you'll probably just coast through the game because you've done enough and other people can win it for you.
My mislynch is one the scum absolutely need in order to have any hope of winning. Don't just hand it to them on a silver platter, try and actually reevaluate the game.
Here's my current problem. You're quick to yell at Iso and tell him that he needs to reevaluate a bunch and put in the legwork to show that he's not tunneling like a madman, and yet your contributions for today are attacking Seppel for saying really silly things (Seppel says really silly things, everyone knows it which is why you're not getting any traction on it) and saying that Seppel is the last scum and demoralized.
I don't think that's evaluating the game in full, and that's certainly not how I'd be behaving in your position as town; you are the person with the most motivation to shake up the gamestate right now, and the only thing that you can give me is "Seppel is scum for saying something silly and also he seems deflated"?
Oh, and your obsession with Iso is also part of the problem - why are you wasting your time with trying to get him to reevaluate? If you're lynched here, it's not anywhere close to the end of the world (especially if you find the scum!), and it's not like Iso tunneling on his third scumread is really all that ridiculous when he's gotten 2/3 right; can you really tell me that if you wrote out cases for 2 people being scum and they got lynched and flipped scum back to back that your behavior on day 3 wouldn't be just to ram through the final lynch? Or would you be compelled to drop your theory and admit that you were wrong all along if someone told you that you were tunneling...? Because me? I tunnel. Whenever I get off to a good start in a game, I tunnel the hell out of people and I don't stop until something very, very compelling pops up and that very, very compelling thing has never ever been "you should reevaluate!".
Here's my current problem. You're quick to yell at Iso and tell him that he needs to reevaluate a bunch and put in the legwork to show that he's not tunneling like a madman, and yet your contributions for today are attacking Seppel for saying really silly things (Seppel says really silly things, everyone knows it which is why you're not getting any traction on it) and saying that Seppel is the last scum and demoralized.
I don't think that's evaluating the game in full, and that's certainly not how I'd be behaving in your position as town; you are the person with the most motivation to shake up the gamestate right now, and the only thing that you can give me is "Seppel is scum for saying something silly and also he seems deflated"?
Yeah alright, that's a fair criticism. I haven't put the time in because it just feels like the game is going to shrug and mislynch me anyway. I guess it's also easy to see Iso being pretty happy about that state of affairs. I just find it very frustrating talking to Iso since I feel he should be trying to think about my posts instead of just stubbornly holding out.
But ok, I'm still here, and I haven't been mislynched yet. Which means I owe it to the town to at least try instead of do nothing out of spite. It's late here. I'm going to sleep on it, and assemble something tomorrow.
Oh and claiming: I'm Argent Squire. I like Burritos. I'm vanilla town. I tried to hint at being power on D1 because I figured if I could get through the Day, scum might waste a kill on me, which would have been pretty great. Then someone thought that outing the masons wrould be a good idea, which rendered my attempt somewhat moot.
And yet you were content to let Az townread you for it and push my lynch for pushing on you! What a spectacularly townie line of play.
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@Eco: #170, #507, #957(ish), and, most recently (as in, 2 days ago), #1205.
Also, has anybody else noticed that Eco has spent the entire game ad homming me instead of addressing my attacks on Cyan, GJ, and himself? Like, you'd think townEco would have at least addresses the arguments in a fashion other than "no ur wrong and your arrogance will be your downfall, scumlord" and laughing like a villain as he escapes near-death on his rocket car time and again.
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dont lynch me
chris confirmed town
sticking with the soul read on thug for now. nacho needs to do some stuff though
eco seems townie but i guess the scumteam imploding as he got wagoned is a thing
iso would have to have been bussing really hard. possible, but backburnering that for now.
vaimes still feels off to me in an indefinable way
voxx is eh
seppel i left off this list until i counted
so i guess ill reread voxx/vaimes/seppel?
its very easy to get complacent here
remember when I was right about GJ and Cyan?
Vote Eco
see you post-game
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Eco is not scum. We mislynch him, and you die in the Night.
Who do we lynch next?
But it's Eco, so why consider any other possibilities? The Razor is screaming at us to lynch Eco right now.
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because i dont think theres any chance scumme would nightkill you tonight.
though it does make az dying over chris n1 make more sense.
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Sorry, just needed to gloat a little.
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Don't you think there's a reason they killed Az before you?
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sure
Vote Eco
Boy I can't wait to roll scum against Iso and kill him N1.
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The lack of concession over Night tells me one of two things: either the scum have accepted defeat anyway and they're just going through the motions waiting for the inevitable, or they reckon they're deep enough in the Town circle that they think they can get something out of this game.
If it was the former, I'd assume the scum is with the PoE set of {Eco, Tom, Nacho, Seppel}. Of these, I think that this means Nacho probably isn't scum (because he's upbeat and invested in playing). Tom has been fairly listless since he stopped being a spider (which could just be because he's not having as much fun), but he's still at least nominally trying to work things out. Seppel, on the other hand, rises head and shoulders above the others: he's become disconnected and unmotivated as the scum have been discovered and lynched - in stark contrast to his apparent excitement at having "caught" me on D1.
If we're looking at the second possibility, life become more complicated. It would have to be someone that was bussing GJ and Cyan to believe they have enough town cred to continue fighting. Chris is obviously confirmed Town, and for Vaimes to be scum they would have had to have orchestrated an elaborate distancing plan from the start. Iso bussed them hard, but it'd take some balls to do it THAT early. Maybe if the plan was to mislynch Eco then go "oh well I guess I'm wrong about the others" to maintain "I-told-you-so" cred, but if that really was the case, he'd have tried way harder to lynch me over GJ. That only leaves Voxx, who does fit the specification: PoE'd down to Cyan and GJ but was indifferent about lynching them until GJ got counterclaimed, then all the light switched.
So, Seppel or Voxx.
Vote Seppel
Willing to see how this works out, but will be hoping for a town flip so that my contribution to this game can be more than "didn't get in the way of people who solved the game already".
You could just contribute to the game now instead of needing a mislynch to do it, you know.
There was only one mafia alive last night.
nice try
Vote Iso
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vote seppel
I think it'd be funny.
Oh my god you're useless. Just shut up, vote Eco, and win the game with me.
Please.
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No.
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Well then you're wrong.
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Seppel: If you plan on playing Mafia any time soon, it's within your best interest to vote for Eco.
Voxx: I know your ego will be bruised but I'd appreciate if you voted Eco so we can win, now. Thanks!
Sir Chris: As I said, vote with me toDay, and if there's a Day 4, I'll vote with you.
I only need two of you to vote for Eco so we can end the game. Seppel's not interested in winning and Voxx is V/LA for the time being, so, tom, Chris - let's be pals.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Not to mention the half dozen or more other interactions I've pointed out that condemn Eco as scum.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The worst thing is that I'll flip Town, and you'll say "oh well I got 2 out of 3" and express no ability to recognise that your fundamental premise was wrong. And then you'll probably just coast through the game because you've done enough and other people can win it for you.
My mislynch is one the scum absolutely need in order to have any hope of winning. Don't just hand it to them on a silver platter, try and actually reevaluate the game.
You make it sound like I haven't actually considered other options or looked at other possibilities. I have, it's just that the events surrounding your wagon + your interactions with GJ and Cyan have me keep coming back to you. It's not that I haven't looked elsewhere - it's that you're just far and above the most likely person in the game to be scum.
Trying to make me look unreasonable is a dishonest approach to this and you should know better than that.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
- "[2] Vaimes - Cyan, Gentleman Johnny"
And it turns out I caught Cyan and Eco in the first two pages. I thought Iso did and he was going for a massive bus.
But now that I've reread and realized that Iso was just following in my footsteps + catching GJ in the process, that means he's town.
Tom is a spider and therefore he's town.
That leaves Voxx and Nacho unaccounted for.
But I got to page 5 and found this:
So salty!
Unvote, vote Eco
That's what I mean: why do you have to spend a mislynch to re-evaluate? I don't see any evidence of you considering any alternative. People have asked "what if Eco flips town?" and you just say "won't happen, don't care". So if you've actually considered other possibilities, show your working.
In other news: One more vote to the Eco lynch! Who else wants to ride my coattails to victory?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Alright then, I don't recall those instances. Could you point me at them? I tried looking but the search function actually sucks.
Here's my current problem. You're quick to yell at Iso and tell him that he needs to reevaluate a bunch and put in the legwork to show that he's not tunneling like a madman, and yet your contributions for today are attacking Seppel for saying really silly things (Seppel says really silly things, everyone knows it which is why you're not getting any traction on it) and saying that Seppel is the last scum and demoralized.
I don't think that's evaluating the game in full, and that's certainly not how I'd be behaving in your position as town; you are the person with the most motivation to shake up the gamestate right now, and the only thing that you can give me is "Seppel is scum for saying something silly and also he seems deflated"?
Yeah alright, that's a fair criticism. I haven't put the time in because it just feels like the game is going to shrug and mislynch me anyway. I guess it's also easy to see Iso being pretty happy about that state of affairs. I just find it very frustrating talking to Iso since I feel he should be trying to think about my posts instead of just stubbornly holding out.
But ok, I'm still here, and I haven't been mislynched yet. Which means I owe it to the town to at least try instead of do nothing out of spite. It's late here. I'm going to sleep on it, and assemble something tomorrow.
And yet you were content to let Az townread you for it and push my lynch for pushing on you! What a spectacularly townie line of play.
And alright. Let me dig up some post numbers.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also, has anybody else noticed that Eco has spent the entire game ad homming me instead of addressing my attacks on Cyan, GJ, and himself? Like, you'd think townEco would have at least addresses the arguments in a fashion other than "no ur wrong and your arrogance will be your downfall, scumlord" and laughing like a villain as he escapes near-death on his rocket car time and again.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player