Let's be honest. She hasn't been the most townie person in the past either (sorry Manders, I still love you). I just don't see her reaction to Axel coming from a scum mindset. This early in the game. It came off too emotional and not logically, even though I might suspect pocketry.
This is a super weak reason. I don't know why you'd be so afraid to say something like "I have these two town reads, and perhaps leaning town on Manders" instead.
Dude, based on what? This read makes no sense and somehow he got a total pass here.
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This is another really poor post from tom. Look at how many words he manages to write without actually saying anything at all.
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Seriously? GJ has done effectively nothing to this point and he's your vote?
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Tom has provided zero content while having a decent number of posts and relied on his "style" to feign activity.
i just want to make sure i have this straight
one of your problems with me is that im voting gj when he hadnt done anything
and another is that i havent done anything
do i have that right?
seriously though
im not sure what me being useful has to do with my alignment, but i suppose thats for yall to determine.
ill do stuff when i do stuff.
possibly not even then.
as for anak, post 93 regarding me was either townie or pockety.
and i dont think anak thinks he can pocket me after our 4 months of scumchat in mindscrew.
he hasnt done much else that stood out to me as townie since that though, and its certainly not absolute
There's literally nothing alignment-indicative about Anak's #93. In fact, I think it's a pretty scummy post because it's keeping options open. Additionally, voting people when they haven't done anything (rather than expressing opinions about what's going on), or soft-defending Bur, are both picking off tangential issues. Take a stand on things of actual importance. Who do you think is scum? Why?
One thing I find very interesting is that for someone who got into a lot of trouble in the past as town Manders has been defended a crap ton early on, which makes me super glad I poked in that direction because that makes me think that Manders' suspicion that someone was calling her town to get on her good side was right, but I just don't think it was Axelrod. Like, it's pretty uncommon when half the game calls someone town for that person to be scum and also for all of the people who called them town to be town themselves.
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So yeah not really because of Manders but because of circumstances around it seems likely she is town unless I am misjudging. This looks particularly poor on Cyan but also I have to admit I have no idea what Tom is up to so far.
I like this reasoning re: people defending Manders.
@GJ To be fair in AA I basically claimed D1 without giving you a chance to suspect me. But your point still stands,
About Cyans vote, I mean come on it was weaksauce. He votes and calls it for realsies, like even if his vote is serious it has no backing on it except that it came from Cyan I guess? It was a weak vote looking for a reaction, I called it as I saw it.
Seppels claim is weird, his role does nothing unless he gets a bunch of empowerment's. Even if he does, all he does is switch passives, which seems null. But he has a lot of ability info, so feels fake but not scum motivated? Still trying to figure that one out.
Holiday makes it a bit tough, trying to keep up as best I can on mobile
Scummier and scummier. If you were town and believed this, I have to conclude that you would have simply said nothing at all. Instead you overreacted, and upon apparently realizing that much, doubled down on said overreaction.
There's literally nothing alignment-indicative about Anak's #93. In fact, I think it's a pretty scummy post because it's keeping options open. Additionally, voting people when they haven't done anything (rather than expressing opinions about what's going on), or soft-defending Bur, are both picking off tangential issues. Take a stand on things of actual importance. Who do you think is scum? Why?
well i just told you why that post made me think anak was town
but im pretty meh on him overall, so whatever
and i still havent defended bur
why would i take a stand now though?
im not sure of anything just yet, except maybe scumvaimes
johnny is weird right now
because he claims to feel no pressure
and he really isnt being pressured that much
but hes acting like hes under a lot
and i dont get it
seppel i think is lying
but i dont think that actually makes him scum
anak and bur could certainly be mafia
but if one is town thats such an obvious mislynch
and i really look forward to the info from those wagons and/or flips
This is a super weak reason. I don't know why you'd be so afraid to say something like "I have these two town reads, and perhaps leaning town on Manders" instead.
It doesn't really matter. No one is a solid town read, including Axel or SC but aside from the other people in the game, she is feeling more town to me.
johnny is weird right now
because he claims to feel no pressure
and he really isnt being pressured that much
but hes acting like hes under a lot
and i dont get it
seppel i think is lying
but i dont think that actually makes him scum
anak and bur could certainly be mafia
but if one is town thats such an obvious mislynch
and i really look forward to the info from those wagons and/or flips
cyan has been way too comfortable
im right where i want to be, so thats good.
I DONT FEEL UNDER PRESSSURE I JUST FEEL ANGRY. YOU AREN'T CHALLENGING ME TOM. I CAME TO PLAY WITH TOMSLAGER, NOT TOMCOMMENTATOR.
Wth is this? No one is ever bloody here to fight me.
I AM STARTING TO GET UPSET NOW. SHADOW/DV, YOU DARE RUN? YOU'D BEST BE COMING BACK IN HERE OR IM A GUNNA VIG YA
I was speed running lab I started one right after I posted I'm done with it now.
Too late. IM ANGRY NOW.
Hmm. I don't think Seppel has ever lied about being a neutral before.
Well, I don't think he has lied about being a neutral before as wolf -_-.
Give me day top 3, bottom 3. I don't even need reasons, I just want to see where you are at. Shadow, you can join in to. You are starting to burn what little good graces I have left for your slot after that disappearnce. You best be making me some reads or IM A GUNNA GET ANGRIER.
My one post said I'd be back on tomorrow (today now) , so you can get as angry as you want, it won't cause me to go back in time and check the thread again last night.
Top 3 Town:
Sir Chris
IceMan
DV
Top 3 scum:
Anak
Bur
Tom
GJ: I really want you to be town, can you be more townie so I can put you on that list?
Not really game related, but I feel that this needs to be said:
Wth is this? No one is ever bloody here to fight me.
I AM STARTING TO GET UPSET NOW. SHADOW/DV, YOU DARE RUN? YOU'D BEST BE COMING BACK IN HERE OR IM A GUNNA VIG YA
I was speed running lab I started one right after I posted I'm done with it now.
Too late. IM ANGRY NOW.
Hmm. I don't think Seppel has ever lied about being a neutral before.
Well, I don't think he has lied about being a neutral before as wolf -_-.
Give me day top 3, bottom 3. I don't even need reasons, I just want to see where you are at. Shadow, you can join in to. You are starting to burn what little good graces I have left for your slot after that disappearnce. You best be making me some reads or IM A GUNNA GET ANGRIER.
My one post said I'd be back on tomorrow (today now) , so you can get as angry as you want, it won't cause me to go back in time and check the thread again last night.
Top 3 Town:
Sir Chris
IceMan
DV
Top 3 scum:
Anak
Bur
Tom
GJ: I really want you to be town, can you be more townie so I can put you on that list?
Not really game related, but I feel that this needs to be said:
Like, we have pretty simliar scum/scum leanings except for Bur who is null, and you think I am wolf? I have a similiar problem with SC voting with tom on me, but ill cross that bridge later.
Like, we have pretty simliar scum/scum leanings except for Bur who is null, and you think I am wolf? I have a similiar problem with SC voting with tom on me, but ill cross that bridge later.
That's part of the problem though. I don't have you as a wolf, I have you as null, and the other games we've played that hasn't been a problem for me. Also in trigger happy, our reads were vastly different, so the fact that we are on the same page alarms me some.
@[redacted]
That's not really my goal man
If you really think I'd bother faking this for your benefit alone, keep that read up
But otherwise just stop with that narrative and let's work together
Tell me more about your role
@everyone else
Maybe I'll explain the above later
Prolly not though
@[redacted]
That's not really my goal man
If you really think I'd bother faking this for your benefit alone, keep that read up
But otherwise just stop with that narrative and let's work together
Tell me more about your role
@everyone else
Maybe I'll explain the above later
Prolly not though
I don't understand if this is at me. Why do you want to know about my role?
So, I just spent hours working on a post with quotes and everything, but my piece of crap computer killed it, so instead you guys get my reads on everyone:
Axelrod - Everything he says sounds like it's coming from Town, but I recognize he's able to do that as Scum. Null. Seppel - Claimed Neutral. Is he? Or is he lying Scum? OR lying Town? Only time will tell. The one thing I know for sure is we need to ignore him mechanically for now. shadowlancerx - Forgot he was in the game. Iso – I'm not sure on him. Something that bothers me: if Cyan's scum, there is no telling if he would play it by defending me or attacking me. He has done both. Iso knows this, so for him to clear (even if just a little bit) Cyan based on that is awful. Iso? Anything to say about that? tomsloger - Leaning Scum. He's obstinately doing nothing, and it feels wrong at its' core. D_V – D_V is always hard to read, but I agree with Sir Chris that him pointing out the terribad read on Tordeck was a good point in his favor. Leaning Town. Tordeck – Speaking of, I need to see more from him. My first instinct is that he's pocketing because he knows it should be pretty easy for him because he's one of my favorite people ever. (Thanks for explaining that term to me, btw, Sir Chris.) Leaning Scum Cythare – Forgot he was in this game, too. Manders – Sweet, sassy, and full of heart. ( @ Az) SirCrimsonFox – Has been replaced...with an admin? Is that right? Regardless, welcome. I look forward to your input. Bur – Also forgot he was in the game. Anaklusmos – His reaction to Cyan's vote came across to me as overreacting to Cyan from a place of fear. I believe he's Town and is intimidated that Cyan jumped at something so little. (Having been in this position myself, it is not a comfortable place to be. In fact, it can be downright terrifying.) Gentleman Johnny - It seems like he's role playing to me. Does no one else think so? I don't recall him being so angry in past games. Of course, a lot can happen over 4 years. (I love you, too, Johnny, btw ) I have no inklings on his alignment, though, which is historically good. The only time I did, I was convinced he was Town...and he was Scum. TheIceMan - Mostly good insights when he does post. I see a Town mindset behind the curtain. Sir Chris - I keep going back and forth on him. He IS scumhunting, but as he pointed out, that can be faked. I'll keep my eyes on him. Cyan - I'll keep my eyes on him, too. If I had to make a statement right now, I'd say he's Scum jumping on a weak attack by Anak and preparing to bulldog (and thus was pocketing me earlier), but it is way too early to make any determination on his alignment.
Answers to questions I recall seeing:
@ Sir Chris: I absolutely believe there are others pocketing in those that made defenses of me. Doesn't mean I'm not impressed that Cyan finally figured out I'm unconventional (many times he's jumped on me, with both of us being Town, because I did something "No Townie would ever do. Ever.") Time tell on all of them.
@ Tordeck: Yes, I'm Town. If this is your trick to determining my alignment, I'm not sure how that works.
If anyone else asked me anything, please repeat or link me.
Questions I remember having:
@D_V: I recognize I don't know your role, but I can't imagine anything you'd have being so amazing it overshadows having Seppel leave the game, and thus helping no one reach their win condition but himself and the Scum. How is it best for us if Seppel gets what he wants and leaves the game asap?
@ Axelrod: The response you gave me (that D_V's blind supplication to Seppel is not good for the Town, to paraphrase) is not a sufficient answer. How does that make you feel about D_V? In fact, Iso's right. I don't know near enough about how you feel about the rest of the players for as active as you've been. Would you please share your thoughts with us?
Final thought:
I don't know why some of you are complaining about lurkers. It's Thanksgiving weekend. I'm surprised people are posting as much as they are. When I played my first game of Mafia, it was right around Thanksgiving when it started, and the game practically stopped completely due to so many being afk. Chill the hell out.
Manders is my top scumread. They've had a LOT of fluffposts, a lot of meaningless mechanical yammering, some OMGUS. Like, generally bad.
Tom doesn't seem as awful as he has been in the past several games I've played with him. Like, there's still some awful, but it's not as bad. And he was town in those previous games. So either he's gotten a lot better in the past 6 months or he's actually scum this time.
I feel like Bur has been overly sparse thus far.
Chris is always a tough read. When I have more time I'm going to have to look back at some games I've played with him and see if I can spot the difference between scum and town Chris, but my gut is leaning scum as he just hasn't been driving the early game like he did in Castlevania.
Seppel is... Seppel. So he's probably lying. But he's maybe also town, because scum!Seppel is slightly more cautious. I don't like the empowerment vote on him from DV, especially given his logic in doing so. Chris's empowerment vote seems a bit better.
Now to actually look at my role PM.
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Top 3 Town:
Sir Chris
IceMan
DV
Top 3 scum:
Anak
Bur
Tom
GJ: I really want you to be town, can you be more townie so I can put you on that list?
After 7 pages, this is all you have to say?
Not really game related, but I feel that this needs to be said:
@[redacted]
That's not really my goal man
If you really think I'd bother faking this for your benefit alone, keep that read up
But otherwise just stop with that narrative and let's work together
Tell me more about your role
@everyone else
Maybe I'll explain the above later
Prolly not though
I don't see why it needs to be explained (though apparently Johnny Boy doesn't get it) but you're obviously responding to someone who initiated a one-way chat with you. Why should that be a secret?
Whoever is feeding this guy role information, I hope it's fake.
MANDERS Vote SMASH: tomloger
I've had enough of this. You are one of the top posters in the game (3rd highest with 39 posts) yet you haven't done *****. That is suspect in and of itself
Manders is my top scumread. They've had a LOT of fluffposts, a lot of meaningless mechanical yammering, some OMGUS. Like, generally bad.
Tom doesn't seem as awful as he has been in the past several games I've played with him. Like, there's still some awful, but it's not as bad. And he was town in those previous games. So either he's gotten a lot better in the past 6 months or he's actually scum this time.
I feel like Bur has been overly sparse thus far.
Chris is always a tough read. When I have more time I'm going to have to look back at some games I've played with him and see if I can spot the difference between scum and town Chris, but my gut is leaning scum as he just hasn't been driving the early game like he did in Castlevania.
Seppel is... Seppel. So he's probably lying. But he's maybe also town, because scum!Seppel is slightly more cautious. I don't like the empowerment vote on him from DV, especially given his logic in doing so. Chris's empowerment vote seems a bit better.
Now to actually look at my role PM.
That's all you've got? OK THEN.
You say I've got a LOT of fluff posts. OK, well I only have 26 posts, so perhaps you can quote every single one of them to back up your attack because I am calling bull*****. This is a lie. Same with the meaningless mechanical yammering. You're full of ***** that I've been doing that. Same on the OMGUS, in fact. Everything that you've just said about me is a lie you've manufactured to give you a reason to jump on my (albeit dying) wagon because you know I'm Town, you believe I'm a threat as Town (likely because someone you're buddies with has told the rest of the team I am, and you've decided you want to eliminate the threat. Good luck with that.
Tom, you have a weak meta argument on.
You mention Bur, who is barely a factor in the game so far, which you acknowledge in what little you do say. If you're Scum, he's probably one of your buddies.
On Sir Chris, you blatantly lie again. "But my gut is leaning scum as he just hasn't been driving the early game..." Bull*****.
And Seppel you just waffled all over to land square up Sir Chris' ass right after calling him Scum.
In short, I don't believe you believe anything you just said (except the super neutral statement you said on Bur...who's probably your buddy.) I believe you to be Scum. The fact that your predecessor never showed up (whether people believe this or not) makes the chances of you being Scum higher in my experience (because whoever Champ in MU was, he was right about those odds.) One of the bottom 3 posters is likely Scum, and I believe it to be you.
I don't see why it needs to be explained (though apparently Johnny Boy doesn't get it) but you're obviously responding to someone who initiated a one-way chat with you. Why should that be a secret?
Whoever is feeding this guy role information, I hope it's fake.
i, too, thought it was pretty obvious that was my end of a one way chat
thats not what i thought needed explaining
all in due time
I've had enough of this. You are one of the top posters in the game (3rd highest with 39 posts) yet you haven't done *****. That is suspect in and of itself
first of all, no it isnt
though apparently youre suspecting wildfires slot because it didnt do anything either, which is both angle shooty and just dumb
if it really was cfox, he plays on lots of websites (ive played with him on two before this one, which doesnt count) and probably just forgot about this one.
if he knew the game was going, hed be playing in it.
regardless of alignment
second of all, what must you think of my scum game to think me being useless is alignment indicative?
im playing entirely reactionary. like always.
i have no control over when i get strong reads.
and this game has been largely fluff and people waiting on something or someone.
dont get me wrong, i love fluff.
as you can tell.
but yeah. it doesnt exactly give me confident reads
third of all, i dont actually think ive been useless.
i have town reads. i have a strong scumread, i have someone im pressuring pretty openly, and i have the whole [redacted] thing going on.
like, im doing stuff.
i think its good stuff.
and im actively staying where i want to be: suspicious but not too suspicious
i dont want to be anyone's top town. and im bound to be in some people's scumreads
i like skating by in the middle of the PoE and moving my vote where its convenient/information-rich and saying things i dont believe for reactions
its just what im gonna do
so go deeper for reading me than "hes useless"
because its both true and not true AND it doesnt mean anything
Be advised, somebody created a gimmick with my avatar on it spelled "Azreal". So if you're trying to copy me in on a one-way chat as required by the rules, make sure you select the correct person/spelling to copy in.
I don't see why it needs to be explained (though apparently Johnny Boy doesn't get it) but you're obviously responding to someone who initiated a one-way chat with you. Why should that be a secret?
Whoever is feeding this guy role information, I hope it's fake.
i, too, thought it was pretty obvious that was my end of a one way chat
thats not what i thought needed explaining
all in due time
I've had enough of this. You are one of the top posters in the game (3rd highest with 39 posts) yet you haven't done *****. That is suspect in and of itself
first of all, no it isnt
though apparently youre suspecting wildfires slot because it didnt do anything either, which is both angle shooty and just dumb
if it really was cfox, he plays on lots of websites (ive played with him on two before this one, which doesnt count) and probably just forgot about this one.
if he knew the game was going, hed be playing in it.
regardless of alignment
second of all, what must you think of my scum game to think me being useless is alignment indicative?
im playing entirely reactionary. like always.
i have no control over when i get strong reads.
and this game has been largely fluff and people waiting on something or someone.
dont get me wrong, i love fluff.
as you can tell.
but yeah. it doesnt exactly give me confident reads
third of all, i dont actually think ive been useless.
i have town reads. i have a strong scumread, i have someone im pressuring pretty openly, and i have the whole [redacted] thing going on.
like, im doing stuff.
i think its good stuff.
and im actively staying where i want to be: suspicious but not too suspicious
i dont want to be anyone's top town. and im bound to be in some people's scumreads
i like skating by in the middle of the PoE and moving my vote where its convenient/information-rich and saying things i dont believe for reactions
its just what im gonna do
so go deeper for reading me than "hes useless"
because its both true and not true AND it doesnt mean anything
Eh, I voted you to try to get you to do something useful, but you can wait now.
GJ: I really want you to be town, can you be more townie so I can put you on that list?
Agreed, but is that your only issue with it?
I'm trying to ******* murder the party I am in charge with, so excuse me.
No, I didn't have a particular issue with his list. I don't think TIM should be in the top 3 towniest players, but eh. Unless you are talking about the "Trump" part of it...
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GJ: I really want you to be town, can you be more townie so I can put you on that list?
Agreed, but is that your only issue with it?
I'm trying to ******* murder the party I am in charge with, so excuse me.
Oh, sorry, love. Didn't realize that was still going on since you're here.
No, I didn't have a particular issue with his list. I don't think TIM should be in the top 3 towniest players, but eh. Unless you are talking about the "Trump" part of it...
No I don't give a ***** how he feels about the Trump part because it was a joke. Anyone who was offended by it can get over it just like I had to get over him winning the election.
No, my problem is this guy has barely posted. Yesterday, he came in and said he'd contribute...and THAT'S what we get? Opinions on 7/15 players with NO reasons? That's ******* lame. He needs to provide more. So why didn't you say something about it?
1) GJ's post is gross and I'm glad Chris figured it out.
2) Double Voter is a passive. I like Chris with it though, but I have to move it eventually. Maybe I can do a chain like untargetable -> Chris -> Cop.
Really hoping someone claims untargetable because this would be the trolley game ever if we can make our cop untargetable.
(Miller is a passive too, would be good to move that to the cop also.)
Anyone wanna claim Miller?
"Untargetable" is one of the passive abilities in this game? Really?
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1) GJ's post is gross and I'm glad Chris figured it out.
2) Double Voter is a passive. I like Chris with it though, but I have to move it eventually. Maybe I can do a chain like untargetable -> Chris -> Cop.
Really hoping someone claims untargetable because this would be the trolley game ever if we can make our cop untargetable.
(Miller is a passive too, would be good to move that to the cop also.)
Anyone wanna claim Miller?
"Untargetable" is one of the passive abilities in this game? Really?
Axel, can you give me a quick reads list on everyone?
Nope.
Or rather, it would be a horribly uninformed list of gut reads without much substance. I already said I'm going to do a "re-read" sometime in the not-to-distant future and try to formulate some more solid opinions
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
No, my problem is this guy has barely posted. Yesterday, he came in and said he'd contribute...and THAT'S what we get? Opinions on 7/15 players with NO reasons? That's ******* lame. He needs to provide more. So why didn't you say something about it?
I really don't care for your aggression, it just reads as unnecessary.
I see no reason to vomit all over the thread with a huge post at this point. I will post as I see fit.
No, my problem is this guy has barely posted. Yesterday, he came in and said he'd contribute...and THAT'S what we get? Opinions on 7/15 players with NO reasons? That's ******* lame. He needs to provide more. So why didn't you say something about it?
I really don't care for your aggression, it just reads as unnecessary.
Then you probably won't like me very much
I see no reason to vomit all over the thread with a huge post at this point. I will post as I see fit.
Good thing no one asked you to vomit in the thread. Your refusal to give reasons for what little reads you gave is noted.
If you want to hear more on my reads then by all means, ask, but don't pretend I'm unwilling to give you anything when you've never asked, nor even addressed me directly until now.
If you want to hear more on my reads then by all means, ask, but don't pretend I'm unwilling to give you anything when you've never asked, nor even addressed me directly until now.
Don't be obtuse. I made it perfectly clear I wanted more content from you in the post you quoted. You are now deflecting attention onto me to delay having to give opinions of your own. How many games have you played in?
@ anyone of Iso/Johnny/Seppel/Tordeck, how many players in this game are new or fairly new?
You insinuated a desire for more content from me yes, but the way you did so makes me not want to.
This is my third normal sized game, I've also played several mini's/micros as well.
Is there a specific read you want me to expand on, or do you just want me to talk about all of them? They're pretty preliminary, all I did was do a brief reread and note whenever a post felt significantly good or poor and then ordered people according to that.
The moment has passed?! No, if you actually cared about my reads you would want me to talk about them, but if you don't care, why did you want me to go into detail in the first place? Your whole progression this page feels really fake. unvote vote Manders
but im pretty meh on him overall, so whatever
and i still havent defended bur
why would i take a stand now though?
im not sure of anything just yet, except maybe scumvaimes
because he claims to feel no pressure
and he really isnt being pressured that much
but hes acting like hes under a lot
and i dont get it
seppel i think is lying
but i dont think that actually makes him scum
anak and bur could certainly be mafia
but if one is town thats such an obvious mislynch
and i really look forward to the info from those wagons and/or flips
cyan has been way too comfortable
im right where i want to be, so thats good.
Not sure if he is sane or not but what evs its funny.
TheIceMan is now on my Towny town list.
Also am I voting Anak?
Unvote Vote Anak
It doesn't really matter. No one is a solid town read, including Axel or SC but aside from the other people in the game, she is feeling more town to me.
Where do you want me to start? I am just feeling angrier than normal. IT'S NORMAL, CYAN. I AM STILL EXCITED TO PLAY BUT PEOPLE ARE ANGERING ME.
I DONT FEEL UNDER PRESSSURE I JUST FEEL ANGRY. YOU AREN'T CHALLENGING ME TOM. I CAME TO PLAY WITH TOMSLAGER, NOT TOMCOMMENTATOR.
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Top 3 Town:
Sir Chris
IceMan
DV
Top 3 scum:
Anak
Bur
Tom
GJ: I really want you to be town, can you be more townie so I can put you on that list?
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Comments like this don't belong here.
Welcome.
Also @Person if I don't get the answer I'm looking for I might swap how I'll approach the game.
This feels really fake.
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The GJ way path to no lynching:
That's part of the problem though. I don't have you as a wolf, I have you as null, and the other games we've played that hasn't been a problem for me. Also in trigger happy, our reads were vastly different, so the fact that we are on the same page alarms me some.
That's not really my goal man
If you really think I'd bother faking this for your benefit alone, keep that read up
But otherwise just stop with that narrative and let's work together
Tell me more about your role
@everyone else
Maybe I'll explain the above later
Prolly not though
I don't understand if this is at me. Why do you want to know about my role?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
[Redacted] knows who they are
Axelrod - Everything he says sounds like it's coming from Town, but I recognize he's able to do that as Scum. Null.
Seppel - Claimed Neutral. Is he? Or is he lying Scum? OR lying Town? Only time will tell. The one thing I know for sure is we need to ignore him mechanically for now.
shadowlancerx - Forgot he was in the game.
Iso – I'm not sure on him. Something that bothers me: if Cyan's scum, there is no telling if he would play it by defending me or attacking me. He has done both. Iso knows this, so for him to clear (even if just a little bit) Cyan based on that is awful. Iso? Anything to say about that?
tomsloger - Leaning Scum. He's obstinately doing nothing, and it feels wrong at its' core.
D_V – D_V is always hard to read, but I agree with Sir Chris that him pointing out the terribad read on Tordeck was a good point in his favor. Leaning Town.
Tordeck – Speaking of, I need to see more from him. My first instinct is that he's pocketing because he knows it should be pretty easy for him because he's one of my favorite people ever. (Thanks for explaining that term to me, btw, Sir Chris.) Leaning Scum
Cythare – Forgot he was in this game, too.
Manders – Sweet, sassy, and full of heart. ( @ Az)
SirCrimsonFox – Has been replaced...with an admin? Is that right? Regardless, welcome. I look forward to your input.
Bur – Also forgot he was in the game.
Anaklusmos – His reaction to Cyan's vote came across to me as overreacting to Cyan from a place of fear. I believe he's Town and is intimidated that Cyan jumped at something so little. (Having been in this position myself, it is not a comfortable place to be. In fact, it can be downright terrifying.)
Gentleman Johnny - It seems like he's role playing to me. Does no one else think so? I don't recall him being so angry in past games. Of course, a lot can happen over 4 years. (I love you, too, Johnny, btw ) I have no inklings on his alignment, though, which is historically good. The only time I did, I was convinced he was Town...and he was Scum.
TheIceMan - Mostly good insights when he does post. I see a Town mindset behind the curtain.
Sir Chris - I keep going back and forth on him. He IS scumhunting, but as he pointed out, that can be faked. I'll keep my eyes on him.
Cyan - I'll keep my eyes on him, too. If I had to make a statement right now, I'd say he's Scum jumping on a weak attack by Anak and preparing to bulldog (and thus was pocketing me earlier), but it is way too early to make any determination on his alignment.
Answers to questions I recall seeing:
@ Sir Chris: I absolutely believe there are others pocketing in those that made defenses of me. Doesn't mean I'm not impressed that Cyan finally figured out I'm unconventional (many times he's jumped on me, with both of us being Town, because I did something "No Townie would ever do. Ever.") Time tell on all of them.
@ Tordeck: Yes, I'm Town. If this is your trick to determining my alignment, I'm not sure how that works.
If anyone else asked me anything, please repeat or link me.
Questions I remember having:
@D_V: I recognize I don't know your role, but I can't imagine anything you'd have being so amazing it overshadows having Seppel leave the game, and thus helping no one reach their win condition but himself and the Scum. How is it best for us if Seppel gets what he wants and leaves the game asap?
@ Axelrod: The response you gave me (that D_V's blind supplication to Seppel is not good for the Town, to paraphrase) is not a sufficient answer. How does that make you feel about D_V? In fact, Iso's right. I don't know near enough about how you feel about the rest of the players for as active as you've been. Would you please share your thoughts with us?
Final thought:
I don't know why some of you are complaining about lurkers. It's Thanksgiving weekend. I'm surprised people are posting as much as they are. When I played my first game of Mafia, it was right around Thanksgiving when it started, and the game practically stopped completely due to so many being afk. Chill the hell out.
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Manders is my top scumread. They've had a LOT of fluffposts, a lot of meaningless mechanical yammering, some OMGUS. Like, generally bad.
Tom doesn't seem as awful as he has been in the past several games I've played with him. Like, there's still some awful, but it's not as bad. And he was town in those previous games. So either he's gotten a lot better in the past 6 months or he's actually scum this time.
I feel like Bur has been overly sparse thus far.
Chris is always a tough read. When I have more time I'm going to have to look back at some games I've played with him and see if I can spot the difference between scum and town Chris, but my gut is leaning scum as he just hasn't been driving the early game like he did in Castlevania.
Seppel is... Seppel. So he's probably lying. But he's maybe also town, because scum!Seppel is slightly more cautious. I don't like the empowerment vote on him from DV, especially given his logic in doing so. Chris's empowerment vote seems a bit better.
Now to actually look at my role PM.
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After 7 pages, this is all you have to say?
1) It was obviously a joke. See the ?
2) You apparently did as well.
Which part specifically? Is that your only issue with it?
I don't see why it needs to be explained (though apparently Johnny Boy doesn't get it) but you're obviously responding to someone who initiated a one-way chat with you. Why should that be a secret?
Whoever is feeding this guy role information, I hope it's fake.
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I've had enough of this. You are one of the top posters in the game (3rd highest with 39 posts) yet you haven't done *****. That is suspect in and of itself
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That's all you've got? OK THEN.
You say I've got a LOT of fluff posts. OK, well I only have 26 posts, so perhaps you can quote every single one of them to back up your attack because I am calling bull*****. This is a lie. Same with the meaningless mechanical yammering. You're full of ***** that I've been doing that. Same on the OMGUS, in fact. Everything that you've just said about me is a lie you've manufactured to give you a reason to jump on my (albeit dying) wagon because you know I'm Town, you believe I'm a threat as Town (likely because someone you're buddies with has told the rest of the team I am, and you've decided you want to eliminate the threat. Good luck with that.
Tom, you have a weak meta argument on.
You mention Bur, who is barely a factor in the game so far, which you acknowledge in what little you do say. If you're Scum, he's probably one of your buddies.
On Sir Chris, you blatantly lie again. "But my gut is leaning scum as he just hasn't been driving the early game..." Bull*****.
And Seppel you just waffled all over to land square up Sir Chris' ass right after calling him Scum.
In short, I don't believe you believe anything you just said (except the super neutral statement you said on Bur...who's probably your buddy.) I believe you to be Scum. The fact that your predecessor never showed up (whether people believe this or not) makes the chances of you being Scum higher in my experience (because whoever Champ in MU was, he was right about those odds.) One of the bottom 3 posters is likely Scum, and I believe it to be you.
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thats not what i thought needed explaining
all in due time
first of all, no it isnt
though apparently youre suspecting wildfires slot because it didnt do anything either, which is both angle shooty and just dumb
if it really was cfox, he plays on lots of websites (ive played with him on two before this one, which doesnt count) and probably just forgot about this one.
if he knew the game was going, hed be playing in it.
regardless of alignment
second of all, what must you think of my scum game to think me being useless is alignment indicative?
im playing entirely reactionary. like always.
i have no control over when i get strong reads.
and this game has been largely fluff and people waiting on something or someone.
dont get me wrong, i love fluff.
as you can tell.
but yeah. it doesnt exactly give me confident reads
third of all, i dont actually think ive been useless.
i have town reads. i have a strong scumread, i have someone im pressuring pretty openly, and i have the whole [redacted] thing going on.
like, im doing stuff.
i think its good stuff.
and im actively staying where i want to be: suspicious but not too suspicious
i dont want to be anyone's top town. and im bound to be in some people's scumreads
i like skating by in the middle of the PoE and moving my vote where its convenient/information-rich and saying things i dont believe for reactions
its just what im gonna do
so go deeper for reading me than "hes useless"
because its both true and not true AND it doesnt mean anything
Agreed, but is that your only issue with it?
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I'm trying to ******* murder the party I am in charge with, so excuse me.
No, I didn't have a particular issue with his list. I don't think TIM should be in the top 3 towniest players, but eh. Unless you are talking about the "Trump" part of it...
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No I don't give a ***** how he feels about the Trump part because it was a joke. Anyone who was offended by it can get over it just like I had to get over him winning the election.
No, my problem is this guy has barely posted. Yesterday, he came in and said he'd contribute...and THAT'S what we get? Opinions on 7/15 players with NO reasons? That's ******* lame. He needs to provide more. So why didn't you say something about it?
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@Seppel:
"Untargetable" is one of the passive abilities in this game? Really?
Axel, can you give me a quick reads list on everyone?
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Nope.
Or rather, it would be a horribly uninformed list of gut reads without much substance. I already said I'm going to do a "re-read" sometime in the not-to-distant future and try to formulate some more solid opinions
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I really don't care for your aggression, it just reads as unnecessary.
I see no reason to vomit all over the thread with a huge post at this point. I will post as I see fit.
Good thing no one asked you to vomit in the thread. Your refusal to give reasons for what little reads you gave is noted.
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@ anyone of Iso/Johnny/Seppel/Tordeck, how many players in this game are new or fairly new?
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This is my third normal sized game, I've also played several mini's/micros as well.
Is there a specific read you want me to expand on, or do you just want me to talk about all of them? They're pretty preliminary, all I did was do a brief reread and note whenever a post felt significantly good or poor and then ordered people according to that.
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