How in the holy hell did that happen? Seps is right, no way Hunt or DV are town. Seeing Hunt is the worst offender and we desperately need a win I'm going with
Walk me through that. I agree Seppel/Tordeck is a possibility. Nykllor is obviously town-reading them both, and is suspect on his own. Why is DK the last scum?
Wouldn't Rodemy be more likely with Seppel pushing those proposals above? If you and Hunt are both innocent?
How in the holy hell did that happen? Seps is right, no way Hunt or DV are town. Seeing Hunt is the worst offender and we desperately need a win I'm going with
vote F
Explain how he's the worst offender? You've been scum reading him for a good long while, with the assumption that NaG masterminded that first town kill. If NaG is town, explain why Hunt is more suspect than D_V.
Walk me through that. I agree Seppel/Tordeck is a possibility. Nykllor is obviously town-reading them both, and is suspect on his own. Why is DK the last scum?
Wouldn't Rodemy be more likely with Seppel pushing those proposals above? If you and Hunt are both innocent?
No Rodemy might be pushing but he was active during our box.
We needed to find the one player not active during our box and that's rodemy. Look at seppels proposals too its all Tordeck, Rodemy and Seppel.
I think I can say that these three are defacto scum.
What? The only way to win is nail three scum and put them in the box together? Yeah right, no way that is even possible to wrok. Better off with two town and a scum, lynch the scum, move to the next. We either win by POE or go down swinging.
D_V is quickly skyrocketing to the top of the scum list. Mindreaver is a close 2nd. (those are after the confirmed scum Hunt)
Well D_V, is Hunt scum? NaG's dead town, and this is the second time he's voted for it.
It is a possibility, but I think we got put into a 3 man town box the more I think about it well now after seeing the result as well. But, that people like DK were gone and so the scum couldn't auto win.
He says this after I explicity point out that one of you is mechanically confirmed scum. I like where this is headed.
Dota, why are you reading me as scum, and ignoring Kpaca? Then when it was brought up you added kpaca, but why are you not adding Tordeck to that read?
This is textbook deflection, and add that to the flailing about he's done since coming out of the box. I'm fully on board with lynching him.
Also, Rodemy, how did "we" determine DotA is scum? Just because he offered a proposal?
Just because I think you're suspect, doesn't mean I have to engage with you every second. You're much further down my list than those three I listed. and since there isn't a single killed scum at this point, I'm not wasting my time with a "possible 4th scum" VS "This is my top choice".
After shocks's flip I don't mention you... You had nothing to do with the proposal (didn't propose it, didn't vote it)? What are you getting at here? That you suspected shockwave? Because I can't really hold that against you... when I was doing the same thing.
I'm proposing a group to actually discuss and decide upon a lynch, and if we wait until Scumtrio is completed first I'm fine with that. The game doesn't end just because there's an active proposal in play.
This is exactly the through process that gives me pause with you.
You're thought process isn't "Hey, if they come back with Hunt dead, and he was scum, this is the next proposal we should look at".
Instead, I'm supposed to go along with "well these are the available people right now, are we should vote regardless of what happens, but we could also wait".
That's very different.
You're also not coming at it like "This person is scummy as ***** IMO, and we *should* kill them right now, because we've been having trouble getting a consensus with those 3 people in the larger thread". Which was how I read NaG's push on Nykillor last time.
So I'm supposed to buy this "out of what's left to try to (mis)lynch, I like these targets. Independent of what happens in the QT. But I'm willing to wait and see too. Oh Rodemy, you pushed back a little, let me change it to something else you'd rather vote for"?
It's an act DoTA, and I'm not following where you lead, and I don't think anyone else should either.
That is why. I agree.
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I also could be wrong, but this is what i wanna refer to post endgame. Just so i can reread and see where my thought process was. concider it a Teaching pos to future Rodemy.
Dear Future Rodemy:
Lookin good buddy. If you were right about this: Sweet. Moment of the year i say. Vote it somewhere.
If you are wrong: You are dumb. Well, not dumb. Just stickin to your guns.
Okay
So
NaG was not scum. Seppel was "surprised" Which.. idk... in my opinion doesn't need to be conveyed at all.
DK has been towncleared for god knows why.
He has been reminding me of that one game we did together where he was scum and everyone thought he was town. He is actually really good at playing scum.
He also has been lacking in content. Just "I agree with so and so" Or asking questions. No add ons to arguments or even a good analysis of a single person.
Only person he has thought was scum was shockwave..and then mindreaver.. and that is all he verbalized really. (nyklor if mindreaver was scum, but that was just barnign NaG's ideas)
DoTA for the above mentioned reason in previous post
Sepple has been a weird read for me the entire game.
He also towncleared me really fast for reasons that don't really hold true anymore.
Walk me through that. I agree Seppel/Tordeck is a possibility. Nykllor is obviously town-reading them both, and is suspect on his own. Why is DK the last scum?
Wouldn't Rodemy be more likely with Seppel pushing those proposals above? If you and Hunt are both innocent?
No Rodemy might be pushing but he was active during our box.
We needed to find the one player not active during our box and that's rodemy. Look at seppels proposals too its all Tordeck, Rodemy and Seppel.
I think I can say that these three are defacto scum.
This is bull*****. You say i was active. then you say i wasn't? Which is it?
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Seppel's proposal "A" has been renamed to Aleph, for the sake of whatever is the opposite of brevity. For the moment, I'm going to pretend he hasn't named any of the others which don't already exist.
Also, for future reference, take note of past proposals before trying to name proposals that already exist, to save me from potentially screwing that up myself.
Tordeck, Nyklor are by far the scummiest two. Tordeck just keeps tunneling on me despite everything going on here. Nyklor has a defeatist attitude towards being scumread, even though more focus is being put on others in the thread.
As for the other two, I am starting to think that DV and Dota are the two deep scum. This doesn't explain though how the scum didn't just push through a lynch while we were away in the box, but I think the fact that
How anyone can be reading Seppel as anything BUT town trying to solve the game is a mystery to me. Same with Mindreaver. They both are the two making the most sense at this point.
Rodemy has fallen off my scumdar for his flurry of posts on this page. He believes in his reads, though I don't agree with them fully.
Dking is a wildcard here. He hasn't contributed enough in the latter stages of this game for me to believe he is 100% town any longer.
Rodemy has gone from productive obvtown to the indecipherable spaz I'm accustomed to. If my count is correct he has called 6 different players scum in the last two pages. I don't trust his judgment whatsoever, and I don't think he should be put in any proposals.
Here is my T/S list:
dkingsland967
Rodemy
Seppel
DotA
Tordeck
Mindreaver
Huntzilla
Nykllor
DV
DV is scum.
Nykllor has been bad all game.
Huntzilla has coasted since phascogale, and there is a strong likelihood mechanically that both he and DV were scum in the last proposal. I think I fell victim to AtE in the box with his rant against Seppel.
The fourth scum is somewhere in the middle. I disliked Mindreaver a lot in the early game, but his posts have been much better since like page 7 or 8. Now that I think back, I towncleared Deekus for a reason that was invalid. I should probably go back and read over his and DotA's posts again and see if I missed anything. Seppel, for now I am trusting your read on Tordeck since you seem to be very familiar with him.
Well, from my perspective it's what we should do. I could also go for you and DK swapped.
Let me put this another way, I should be in the group. I can make the same argument that Tordeck likes so much "I'm town and I know it therefore I'm town". But honestly, let me toss this out there:
1) I've never been scum. Ever. If I was, this would be my very first attempt at it.
2) I haven't been in a proposal, nor has any one of my proposals been selected.
3) Go check out my voting record. See what you think.
Take those piece of data, and see whether you guys think that in my very first scum outing I could play this game, like this. Do whatever you have to.
I trust Seppel and DK. Either can come in with me. We then have to be certain we put a scum in the box as well. If we put three town in, we lose (the scum will be outside, and can vote in the remaining town).
I'll stay (for xyres sake) but discrediting me is low.
Yeah, i spaz. But that's me. I'm not wrong in my assumptions. I'm just trying to figure out the game as much as you guys.
My thought process is just different.
Nobody said i was good at this game, and being lylo, you kinda have to think outside the box.
D_v is a good lynch.
This game has been very hard to read for me, i just want to contribute.
And seeing as i don't actually know who scum are, it's hard for me to follow someone on their thoughts.
I've tried, but again, it's hard for me to read.
Lynch d_v. If he is scum, try dk. And if he is scum, well seems like rodemy was right.
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Wouldn't Rodemy be more likely with Seppel pushing those proposals above? If you and Hunt are both innocent?
No Rodemy might be pushing but he was active during our box.
We needed to find the one player not active during our box and that's rodemy. Look at seppels proposals too its all Tordeck, Rodemy and Seppel.
I think I can say that these three are defacto scum.
I think Seppel is trying to do two things.
Either A have two scum in the box to get an auto lynch or B have 2 town in the box to push lynches.
I think rodemy is town because of this.
IDK though even though I deleted part of my post that part actually makes sense though.
I'm lost give me a bit.
So I find all of seppels proposals highly fishy.
D_V is quickly skyrocketing to the top of the scum list. Mindreaver is a close 2nd. (those are after the confirmed scum Hunt)
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He says this after I explicity point out that one of you is mechanically confirmed scum. I like where this is headed.
(Was originally posting that to DV but then I added the line above.)
Why does D_V/DK have to be mechnanically confirmed scum?
Are we all just ignoring that although DK was away, Tordeck was just as absent?
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Box 1: DK, Hunt = (Shock)
Box 2: Seppel, Tordeck = (Kpaca)
Box 3: DV, Hunt = (NaG)
Yeah I meant DV/Hunt.
DV/Hunt is the pair that has to have at least one mechanically confirmed scum.
Otherwise we would have lost during Box 3.
End of story
D_v is scum. We found that out during the last box.
vote A
If d_v is town we lynch sep.
Deal?
Jesus.
Okay. Still wanna lynch DoTA
Bur here is my logic
And sep is looking good for a lynch as well
And seeing as sep wants to lynch dv, and i can see him throwing his buddies under the bus to get townie points...
Ergo: dv is scum.
Ill lynch your scum buddy for you, sep. But you are next.
I found the post DotA was referring to:
This is textbook deflection, and add that to the flailing about he's done since coming out of the box. I'm fully on board with lynching him.
Also, Rodemy, how did "we" determine DotA is scum? Just because he offered a proposal?
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okay
so..
@DK
That is why. I agree.
D_V
DoTA
Sepple
DK
Calling it now.
But hey, we can argue about it all day instead, because MAFIA!
I also could be wrong, but this is what i wanna refer to post endgame. Just so i can reread and see where my thought process was. concider it a Teaching pos to future Rodemy.
Dear Future Rodemy:
Lookin good buddy. If you were right about this: Sweet. Moment of the year i say. Vote it somewhere.
If you are wrong: You are dumb. Well, not dumb. Just stickin to your guns.
Okay
So
NaG was not scum. Seppel was "surprised" Which.. idk... in my opinion doesn't need to be conveyed at all.
DK has been towncleared for god knows why.
He has been reminding me of that one game we did together where he was scum and everyone thought he was town. He is actually really good at playing scum.
He also has been lacking in content. Just "I agree with so and so" Or asking questions. No add ons to arguments or even a good analysis of a single person.
Only person he has thought was scum was shockwave..and then mindreaver.. and that is all he verbalized really. (nyklor if mindreaver was scum, but that was just barnign NaG's ideas)
DoTA for the above mentioned reason in previous post
Sepple has been a weird read for me the entire game.
He also towncleared me really fast for reasons that don't really hold true anymore.
This is bull*****. You say i was active. then you say i wasn't? Which is it?
Also Rodemy if DV flips town the game is over. But he won't.
Except I will flip town.
Jesus Christ let us lynch Seppel.
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Seppel's proposal "A" has been renamed to Aleph, for the sake of whatever is the opposite of brevity. For the moment, I'm going to pretend he hasn't named any of the others which don't already exist.
Also, for future reference, take note of past proposals before trying to name proposals that already exist, to save me from potentially screwing that up myself.
Vote Count
(5 to pass)
CounterKakapo: dkingsland967, Mindreaver, Nykllor
1 - DoTArchon
Aleph: D_V, Rodemy, Seppel
1 - Seppel
PRICK: Huntzilla, Rodemy, Tordeck
2 - Tordeck, Rodemy
Fishfingers: D_V, Huntzilla, Seppel
1 - Nykllor
Active Proposals
None
DV.spl: DoTArchon, D_V, Seppel
FROG: DoTArchon, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
SMD: DoTArchon, Mindreaver, Seppel
DieScum: DoTArchon, Rodemy, Seppel
Alpha: DoTArchon, Seppel, Tordeck
Instinct: D_V, Huntzilla, Rodemy
Stakeout: D_V, Seppel, Tordeck
GreatProposal: Huntzilla, Mindreaver, Seppel
SHuT: Huntzilla, Seppel, Tordeck
Leftovers: Mindreaver, Nykllor, Rodemy
Mystic: Mindreaver, Seppel, Tordeck
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Sep and dv are scum. I go in i die and we lose.
Sepple is luring me in.
Lynch sepple
No, i know what you said.
It's bull***** that you wanna lynch me because "i wasn't active during the box"
That logic is rediculous.
DV telling truth about the box.
I feel like you are coaching fellow scum here.
That leaves the threshhold at 3 and the remaining 3 scum can push the remaining townies into the airlock.
This was just uncovered by sepple. I certainly wasn't thinking about it.
SO WHY THE HELL IS HE PROPOSING 2 "TOWN" AND ONE SCUM GO IN.
End thoughts. Gnight
Im stating facts about the game. Hard logical facts.
What is wrong with you?
Are you sure you typed that correctly?
I've been able to follow Rodemy's brain all game, but this meltdown is extremely bizarre.
Tordeck, Nyklor are by far the scummiest two. Tordeck just keeps tunneling on me despite everything going on here. Nyklor has a defeatist attitude towards being scumread, even though more focus is being put on others in the thread.
As for the other two, I am starting to think that DV and Dota are the two deep scum. This doesn't explain though how the scum didn't just push through a lynch while we were away in the box, but I think the fact that
How anyone can be reading Seppel as anything BUT town trying to solve the game is a mystery to me. Same with Mindreaver. They both are the two making the most sense at this point.
Rodemy has fallen off my scumdar for his flurry of posts on this page. He believes in his reads, though I don't agree with them fully.
Dking is a wildcard here. He hasn't contributed enough in the latter stages of this game for me to believe he is 100% town any longer.
Here is my T/S list:
dkingsland967
Rodemy
Seppel
DotA
Tordeck
Mindreaver
Huntzilla
Nykllor
DV
DV is scum.
Nykllor has been bad all game.
Huntzilla has coasted since phascogale, and there is a strong likelihood mechanically that both he and DV were scum in the last proposal. I think I fell victim to AtE in the box with his rant against Seppel.
The fourth scum is somewhere in the middle. I disliked Mindreaver a lot in the early game, but his posts have been much better since like page 7 or 8. Now that I think back, I towncleared Deekus for a reason that was invalid. I should probably go back and read over his and DotA's posts again and see if I missed anything. Seppel, for now I am trusting your read on Tordeck since you seem to be very familiar with him.
Is that what you're saying?
"For now" because Tordeck isn't getting lynched right now.
1) People I trust to to kill scum: Me, DK, Seppel
2) People I'd be fine killing right now: DV, Tordeck, Nykllor
You want my vote, that's how you get it.
Propose PersonalPreference(Mindreaver, DK, Tordeck)
How is that even indicative of a scum mindset? You know the game doesn't end if we lylo correctly, right?
Welp I'm 100% trusting Rodemy now.
WHY
Bonus question: have you even mentioned DV or interacted with him in any meaningful way?
DV/Mindreaver/Hunt/???
That is such a trap.
But for real Seppel is scum why are you guys listening to him?
DV or Hunt is scum, I think it's DV, but I don't trust hunt enough to put him in a group.
Let me put this another way, I should be in the group. I can make the same argument that Tordeck likes so much "I'm town and I know it therefore I'm town". But honestly, let me toss this out there:
1) I've never been scum. Ever. If I was, this would be my very first attempt at it.
2) I haven't been in a proposal, nor has any one of my proposals been selected.
3) Go check out my voting record. See what you think.
Take those piece of data, and see whether you guys think that in my very first scum outing I could play this game, like this. Do whatever you have to.
I trust Seppel and DK. Either can come in with me. We then have to be certain we put a scum in the box as well. If we put three town in, we lose (the scum will be outside, and can vote in the remaining town).
Give it some thought, and lets me this happen.
The Family
I'm out then.
I'll stay (for xyres sake) but discrediting me is low.
Yeah, i spaz. But that's me. I'm not wrong in my assumptions. I'm just trying to figure out the game as much as you guys.
My thought process is just different.
Nobody said i was good at this game, and being lylo, you kinda have to think outside the box.
D_v is a good lynch.
This game has been very hard to read for me, i just want to contribute.
And seeing as i don't actually know who scum are, it's hard for me to follow someone on their thoughts.
I've tried, but again, it's hard for me to read.
Lynch d_v. If he is scum, try dk. And if he is scum, well seems like rodemy was right.
9 people left
4 scum.
5 town.
2 town 1 scum go in
Left with 3 scum
Left with 3 town
1 scum proposes 3 town on one box.
Votes
2 other scum vote.
Pretty sure that is game.
Threshold when we send into the box is 3 votes to pass, right?
So why the **** are you discrediting me?
With that logic we can only shove 3 scum into a box.
Xyre literally pointed it out when talking to sepple.
Disregard if threshold is 4.
But i saw last box threshold was 4. Being down one person, i'd assume it goes down by one.
Tell me again why you think i'm being crazy?
We lynch scum(box one)
We lynch town (box two)
4 town. 3 scum.
.....
*****.
I am insane.
Lynch dv. I'll vote.
I'll stop talking now
The Family
Well no *****.
According to my logic, i am the ONLY town.