What you are about to see and hear is something strangely familiar and yet strangely different. An echo not in space or in time, but in the mind. Welcome to the future... in the Twilight Zone.
<DISCONTINUITY>
"And you don't seem to understand
A shame you seemed an honest man..."
A teenage girl wanders through the street of a city.
"... And all the fears you hold so dear
Will turn to whisper in your ear..."
The city seems like it should be bustling, but it seems strangely deserted. The humming of electrical wires is omnipresent.
The girl continues on, simultaneously lost in thought and keenly watching her surroundings. She seems to be looking for something...
"... And you know what they say might hurt you
And you know that it means so much
And you don't even feel a thing..."
There's something else amiss, too, besides the streets and the wires. Is it the sky? Is it the signs in the buildings? Is it the girl herself?
"... I am falling
I am fading
I have lost it all..."
The girl seems to have found what she was looking for - her school building. It should be locked at this hour, but the door opens for her - without a key?
She heads inside.
"... And you don't seem the lying kind
A shame that I can read your mind
And all the things that I read there
Candle lit smile that we both share..."
There's an echo in your thoughts, but it's strange, distorted. Or is it? You can't tell.
"... And you know I don't mean to hurt you
But you know that it means so much
And you don't even feel a thing..."
The girl reappears, on the roof now. She walks to the edge, and looks down. You almost think you see someone behind her as she falls off the ledge...
"... I am falling
I am fading
I am drowning, help me to breathe..."
*SPLAT*
"... I am hurting
I have lost it all
I am losing, help me to breathe..."
<DISCONTINUITY>
17) Prophylaxis, Chise Yomoda, Mostly Vanilla Town, fell from a great height Day 2
investigate: death of prophylaxis
What did he fall from?
What did he fall on to?
Was he pushed?
Did the fall kill him? The stop at the bottom?
Are both of those vote counts accurate? Neither?
@RR Which part in particular set the scales as TS is scum for you? A specific overreaction that would come from scum?
Unfortunately my notes are at home on my other computer. IIRC, I have a couple posts of his noted as not reflecting well on him, and nothing specifically noted as redeeming. I'll get back to you tonight with specifics.
Also, for the record, I do not yet believe him to be scum - just [i]more likely[/i] scum than anyone else, and so most deserving of my vote so far.
My notes steered me back to Tapping's posts 53 and 58, where he was trying to get hansanator to share more data about his forcing us into Day 2. He did it in a rather aggressive manner that didn't sit well with me.
Wow. That's some interesting math. I don't think anyone's voting for Hawk or leukovirus, but the vote on me might be D_V. No idea why the other votes aren't adding up correctly.
Also, I believe I voted for TappingStones in 193... which, see below.
[i]What you are about to see and hear is something strangely familiar and yet strangely different. An echo not in space or in time, but in the mind. Welcome to the future... in the Twilight Zone.
...
[b]17) Prophylaxis, Chise Yomoda, Mostly Vanilla Town, fell from a great height Day 2
Liking the Rod Serling NPC a lot less now.
I didn't know who Chise Yomoda was, so I hit up Google and asked. It instead showed me hits for a Chis[b]a[/b]Yomoda from Serial Experiments Lain - someone who committed suicide and then kept sending out e-mails. Curious if this means that we haven't heard the last of Proph.
Chisa (四方田千砂 Yomoda Chisa) is a girl who commits suicide at the beginning of Layer 01. She has poor social skills and prefers to live on The Wired. She goes to the same school as Lain. Before the events of the anime, she was taken to Cyberia once by Alice, Reika and Juri but did not enjoy being there. She also walked home with Lain once.
After her suicide, she sends out emails to people in her school, telling them to come to the Wired soon and that God is there. She reappears throughout the anime, although only Lain seems to be able to see her.
I do not believe that this one is fully dead.
Azreal on the other hand has deceived me. This means that Taredas our so called moderator is playing the game. Whether he is a force for good or evil remains to be seen.
My thoughts are with the friends and family of the Orlando Shooting victims and with the rest of the LGBTQA+ community.
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Necarg, please don't acknowledge this in any way whatsoever.
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Rules Advisor before they were eradicated
I just PBPA'ed Bur and it's a little disturbing. His posts seem really careful and they don't line up that well.
He spends a lot of time focusing on me and not just on suspicion. He asks me not to talk about on-going games (even though at the time it was clear that Tom was also referring to an on-going game with his Hansa post).
Starts off saying that Tom is town, then in his next reference to Tom he says that he only feels ok about it, besides the slapfight. It's like Bur wants to support Tom but doesn't want to appear too close to him. He wants to cast suspicious against me because I am suspicious of Tom.
Makes a very strange post saying that Hansa's motivation doesn't have to be scum motivated, even though I never implied this.
Is very self-conscious about his post count. Makes reference that he has the 4th most posts...like huh?? How are you even thinking about this? I know I have posted a lot but I didn't search to see my rank.
A lot of busy work questions that just feel faked.
FTR, i was not referring to an in progress game.
and it takes like 3 seconds to see post count
and repeatedly demanding the town motivation (and claiming there absolutely isnt one) is pretty clearly implying scum motivation. you even voted him.
do we get to see your pbpa?
You were clearly referring to the on-going game and when I pushed the issue you mentioned some game which you didn't even play in and refused to reference where the "easy to read" tells are in that game. But Tom, this isn't all about you (as much as you'd like it to be). I'm looking over other players. This is a pretty big player pool and I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of heavy lifting being done by others in this game. This game essentially consists of me investigating while fighting off those that want to attack.
Tom are you going to actually investigate anyone today or just hop around throwing out town reads?
Do you get to see my PBPA? What do you mean "see it"? Am I supposed to take a photo of my notes?
You were clearly referring to the on-going game and when I pushed the issue you mentioned some game which you didn't even play in and refused to reference where the "easy to read" tells are in that game. [snip]
Do you get to see my PBPA? What do you mean "see it"? Am I supposed to take a photo of my notes?
dude, i was not referring to stargate. like, i just wasnt.
ive never had a specific past post to reference. i have a general idea of hans as a mafia player, which is far more valuable to me.
im really gonna need you to stop accusing me of breaking the rules. if you want to argue that im scum, thats fine. thats what youve done to every person whos ever called you scum regardless of your alignment (and a thing i think youre faking now that you finally are scum)
and sorry if youre taking notes on paper like a chump.
i was under the impression that a post by post analysis was a thing you posted in the thread. but mafia terminology isnt exactly my strong suit.
You were clearly referring to the on-going game and when I pushed the issue you mentioned some game which you didn't even play in and refused to reference where the "easy to read" tells are in that game. [snip]
Do you get to see my PBPA? What do you mean "see it"? Am I supposed to take a photo of my notes?
dude, i was not referring to stargate. like, i just wasnt.
ive never had a specific past post to reference. i have a general idea of hans as a mafia player, which is far more valuable to me.
im really gonna need you to stop accusing me of breaking the rules. if you want to argue that im scum, thats fine. thats what youve done to every person whos ever called you scum regardless of your alignment (and a thing i think youre faking now that you finally are scum)
and sorry if youre taking notes on paper like a chump.
i was under the impression that a post by post analysis was a thing you posted in the thread. but mafia terminology isnt exactly my strong suit.
@Tom-You say NEcarg is scum. Where is your analysis?
i gave a couple lines on it in my big "catchup" post beginning of last page ( post 201, which along with post 215 you still havent responded to at all and it would be great if you did), but its all based on his incredibly scummy post 155.
its just one post, but when youve only got 8 a really scummy one really stands out.
i gave a couple lines on it in my big "catchup" post beginning of last page ( post 201, which along with post 215 you still havent responded to at all and it would be great if you did), but its all based on his incredibly scummy post 155.
its just one post, but when youve only got 8 a really scummy one really stands out.
Post 215 was by me....so not sure what you are talking about.
215 was your post that quoted it in its entirety and responded only to my using "you" instead of "your" (which i didnt notice until now btw. embarrassing typo.)
215 was your post that quoted it in its entirety and responded only to my using "you" instead of "your" (which i didnt notice until now btw. embarrassing typo.)
Is there something there you were waiting on? The only question is in regards for me calling you out on suggesting the lynch must be between you and I.
Was I not factual? Pretty sure you suggested that terrible idea.
man, this is like pulling teeth.
i apologize to everyone else reading this.
if you really dont have anything to say to those two posts, im just gonna assume that you accept my complete evisceration of all your arguments and will be waiting for your self vote.
i was just assuming you hadnt actually read them since you kept asking questions i already answered
man, this is like pulling teeth.
i apologize to everyone else reading this.
if you really dont have anything to say to those two posts, im just gonna assume that you accept my complete evisceration of all your arguments and will be waiting for your self vote.
i was just assuming you hadnt actually read them since you kept asking questions i already answered
Tom do you wonder why so many people are doubting you and saying your play is scummy? Do you wonder why you are always killed on day one or two? THIS right here is a prime reason. You absolutely refuse to engage in this game. I have slammed the door on all your terrible arguments and others have noted the same thing. Your case against me was summed up well by another player "He mad but not mad like I remember him being mad". You are incapable of making a coherent argument and have an ego large enough that you refuse to be anything but the center of attention at all times.
I have done all the work I need to do on you at the moment. Sorry if you feel like a lost puppy dog that needs to chase after me for affection. I posted my ideas on Bur, I posted ideas on Necarg and others. Are you going to at any point, actually scum hunt or are you just going to sit there and get killed like EVERY other game you've ever played in. I'm calling you out right here. Your PLAY SUCKS.
so... yes you accept my evisceration of your arguments but would rather attack my play some more?
that seems silly. if im terrible i should be pretty easy to refute.
but cool. i dont really need to interact with you any more as i already know youre scum.
everyone else can decide for themselves, and will probably be much happier this way.
see you postgame/when you decide to treat me with basic human respect
so... yes you accept my evisceration of your arguments but would rather attack my play some more?
that seems silly. if im terrible i should be pretty easy to refute.
but cool. i dont really need to interact with you any more as i already know youre scum.
everyone else can decide for themselves, and will probably be much happier this way.
see you postgame/when you decide to treat me with basic human respect
Don't be rude TOM. I attacked your PLAY which is completely normal. Your play stinks, everyone knows it. It's the subject of every game you play in. You REFUSE to change, take new ideas or improve. Others are noting your famous tunneling which is still present this game. Don't try to pull the woe is me routine. You tunneled me as scum with zero evidence, when pressed you presented a bunch of misreps and outright lies.
Again, if you want to die every single game on day one or two keep playing with this scummy persona. You make the games impossible to play in because you refuse to stop spamming. You refuse to engage with logical arguments and continually call obvious town players scum.
Get with it Tom. In pre-game I was happy to hear that you would be different and trying new things. This is the same old scummy, spamming, tunneling Tom.
My this ones a smart one. It would also be remiss of me to not say that one suspects that others might disappear from the list. While I myself have no such powers, there is reason to believe that others might.
Ooooh intreguing. Next important question... Since we think it might move around, it might behoove us to know if this condition of you not being on the playerlist is affecting your abilities?
Ahh, their in lies the problem. Most certainly though one of our so called moderators is playing a role with in the game, but one would suspect it to be both. Perhaps it is a game of chess for those of us that will be here till the end of time to partake in, or perhaps they are mortals that can be killed.
Wait you think BOTH of the mods are playing in this game? That's literally impossible, even in Mind Screw Mafia.
@-Killjoy-To answer your questions
1)Are you a person who used to play here who changed their name at some point? No, I'm relatively new. I've played a handful of games.
2) Why is it important that he tell us RIGHT NOw why he told us that he ended day one? It was the first strange behavior I saw and as such I pursued it. I've become much more interested in the way Tom has made this his white whale though. He's lying about him having some kind of "easy town read" on Hans.
1) Ok.
2)I'm not debating that Hans' ability use isn't strange. Attacking him for that is fine. My question is why his lack of desire to explain himself at that moment warrented a vote.
@tapping im not sure where youre getting an "ironclad town tell" on hans.
i put him at 80% town. sure, that number is made up rather than scientific. but its not that far from the starting point.
ive got bur, gj, and d_v in roughly the same place.
if youd like to know, i read ST:MU3. i love star trek, and GJ's claim in that game was truly a work of art (which is why the game was recommended reading). but again, this isnt really about hans.
Tom calling me scum makes no sense. He immediately tried to defend Hans and said Hans is "easy to read". Tom has no experience with Hans flipping. It is a bizarre thing to say. DOTA is trying to misrep, but I kinda wanba give him more leeway as he was tripping over his own feet in our last game together.
which is a fully terrible post.
id like to paraphrase here: "tom is too dumb to be right about me being scum! dota is also scum but hes so stupid he might be town"
thats a link or quote to almost every post youve made in this game. i left out the ones about NPCs.
i attacked you this way in predator, and i attacked you this way in the classic.
i was acting differently, as im much more experienced/know you better/am being less silly and more logical this game.
but the premise is still the same. i found something that pinged me, picked at it a bit, and waited for you to blow up to reveal the truth.
what i saw in those other two games was genuine anger. you threatened to replace out, you asked for me to be replaced, you BLEW THE **** UP. and both times, i started townreading you for those blowups.
i died Day 2 in both of those games, and managed to attack you and use your reactions to put you as solidly town.
what im seeing now is a pale imitation. youre saying the right words, but you were in those games too. this is fake anger.
its much harder to stoke that flame of rage when im totally ******* right.
so yeah, this is why tapping is scum. seriously people, im so sure of this that i almost think its a waste to run him up on the first (second?) Day when i still so badly want nacho to prove his claim.
if i was more sure of nacho, id suggest just running me up so i can get town confirmed and we can just lynch tapping tomorrow.
thats probably a bad plan anyway though because night kill. i might actually be a viable target for scum if i were confirmed town AND just nailed the ***** out of one of them.
Oh hey, Tom is very likely to be town. Also, thanks for reminding me of STMU3. #EndlessRegret.
that being said, right now my vote will be vote: tomsloger
because the more convinced he acts that tapping is scum over a simple question, the more i feel like hes scum trying to get a mislynch.
if he was town, knowing that he should end the day and skip the night because of some danger hes aware of that we arent, id like us to also be aware of it. and the fact that he didnt share is whats making me uneasy.
if hes worried about making himself a target, why not just skip the night again until he can get someone protecting him.
if its just a one shot, and he cant do that, then why use it day one in the first place.
i just made a lot of assumptions and guesses about why/how his ability works. i wouldnt have to make those assumptions/guesses if i had more information.
sorry for repeating myself so much, but hans is suspicious until i have a more solid reasoning on his behalf for that action.
Questions:
1)Are you saying you want Hans to fullclaim today? If so, do you have a better reason than "not knowing things makes me twitchy"?
2)You do a lot of "I'm not scumreading him, but he's suspicious, but if he's scum..." in this post and I'm having a hard time following your actual read of him. What is your opinion of Hans right now?
Tar/Azrael most likely have lyncher/lynchee roles; want to do research into old Mind Screws to see if there's any merit to resolving that dichotomy now.
That makes no sense. None whatsoever.Tar is 100% the game host. IDK what Az is, but I doubt very much that he is trying to kill Tar, and I doubt that Tar is trying to kill him.
I think it's too early to declare between you and TS; don't see a good scumread that's formed quite yet.
Do think more attention needs to be paid to Az/Tar.
So I imagine in the two hours since your last post you'd done that research you were saying on the previous Mind Screws. What did you find?
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I wonder if Prophy's Summoning of Iso is what killed him. Or whatever gamestate he's in now, since there's a chance he can still do stuff apperently.
Are D_V and Az working together somewhow? I feel like they've been interacting a bunch and it feels weird.
I need to reread Tapping, but I dislike his tone in his posts.
@Taredas:Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?
If Day 1 has a deadline, and that deadline is still in effect... and Day 1 already ended, how does that effect our deadline for D2?
@Az: Can you post for me "This statement is true" in red, please? I want to see if you can.
I agree that Prophy is probably not fully dead.
I'm mostly ignoring Tom/TS because it's just so much words.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ooooh intreguing. Next important question... Since we think it might move around, it might behoove us to know if this condition of you not being on the playerlist is affecting your abilities?
or his sanity
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Wait you think BOTH of the mods are playing in this game? That's literally impossible, even in Mind Screw Mafia.
i am not ready to call anything impossible. this game is fully in the tyson zone
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I need to reread Tapping, but I dislike his tone in his posts.
this is not the right reason to scumread him. hes doing a decent job replicating his regular tone.
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I'm mostly ignoring Tom/TS because it's just so much words.
probably for the best. youll be glad to hear its over.
*hands townread to killjoy* *glares at ghosting and the censored figure muttering misrep to himself*
@BUR I asked others what Hans town motivation could be. I didnt say he was scum.
This leads me to a new question... if you didn't beleive he was scum, why did you snapvote him?
I need to reread Tapping, but I dislike his tone in his posts.
I'm mostly ignoring Tom/TS because it's just so much words.
I voted him to apply pressure in a situation I feel is suspicious. In my short Mafia experience whenever I'm suspicious of someone and don't vote them, the veteran players would always say "If you find him suspicious why aren't you voting him?" I've found this to be good practice(though I don't think it's a must.) I'm not a player who likes to tunnel and I pride myself on improving the fluidity of my reads so a vote like that is only going to stick if a player remains the most suspicious or there is a good reason for me to continue to apply pressure, usually that would be to keep the suspect talking.
It's fine for you to dislike my tone, though it's in no way alignment based as many players in this very game will attest to. I am direct, and like to try and solve the game. I'm quite aware that I can make mistakes in my reads as a new player and put pressure on others to participate. Some don't like that. You can read Predator Mafia, Mafia Classic, etc.
If you are active, make honest reads and try to solve the game you'll get along with me swimmingly, if you're hiding in the background, or giving weak reads I'll call you out on it. I expect the same thing in return mind you.
@GJ: What are your reads on the game? (Sorry if I missed this, but quickly checking the thread didn't allow me to find any).
In order, because I am feeling nice :
7hawk77
Doing stuff and things. He hasn't been a super start so far, but it is day1/2/whatever and it lines up pretty well with what I expect from him. I see no reason for scum to dump the information out that he did, even if it is not relevant by itself (since we don't know other rules) Lean Town
Anaklusmos
Not super impressed with him thus far. I want to see more before I make a judgement call. Null
Bur
Less than impressed. I am seeing a lot of questions, but I am seeing very little follow up in them. I have caught quite a few people for simliar reasons and I would be ok with Bur being Nachoed as of now. Lean Scum
Darth Melvin, DoTArchon, Jobie
I don't even know if these three are in this game...
Ghosting
His first few posts read as though he is attempting to join in late and be relevant (which I don't have an issue with). His anger at hawk for revealing his information feels lukewarm at best. Gun to me head, I would mark him as Lean Scum, but I want to see more.
hansanator
Claims shifting day. If I have more suspicion roused, I might ask for a full claim, but we are satisfied with him currently Town.
Huntzilla
I almost put a "he is in this game" point to him, but he did interact with my no lynch, we he could have ignored it. I find it hard to believe scumHunt would make any mention of that if he was trying to stay under the radar, even though he missed my response for not pushing no-lynch, but simply using Nacho to do it. Lean Town, but I would like to see more.
iamabusinessman
His championing of TS is curious. I don't really know where he stands on anynone else except TS and maybe Tom. Null.
Killjoy
Haven't really been paying attention to him. Nothing stands out in recent memory. I am not sure how I feel about posts like his last one. I do it as does several other players, but I always get paranoid about "catch-up posts" being just lazy scum trying to stay engaged in the game. That said, I did like most of his responses, but I don't understand the speculation on whether Proph is fully dead or not.
Haven't really been watching. I am ok with his interaction with Hans, and don't recall anything that he has posted towards others. Lean Town
Nachomamma8
I like him, I like his role. The paranoia about the game style is the only second of hesitance I would give to this slot.
Strong town read from me, Lean town read from us.
Necarg
The only relvent point on Necarg I have right now is that he jumped on TS. Not a super impressive resume. Lean scum
RobRoy
I like his intro, and have felt even though he hasn't been posting too much, his posts have content to them.Lean Town
TappingStones
Can't explain it, but I feel good about him. MAybe it is because I dislike the people voting him, and like the people voting Tom more. Lean Town
Tom
The bravado, his interaction with Tom, and his cockiness are all not registering with me. I could see him v. Tapping being town on town for sure, but if I had to pick, Tom is likely the scum out of the two. Lean scum
I was lazy, and didn't look past this page, but this is basically my snapshot of the game. Right now, I would ask Tom to be wrung up, and put the mafia in the weird situation of either letting a confirmed town run around, or have to nk Tom. That actually soudns dynamite, but I want to see my nulls pan out.
Sigh. After skimming over the latest tom-Tapping exchange, I had the same feeling that I did from their earlier ones - that tom's tone was reasonable and that Tapping was being inflammatory. Then I tried going back and reading the post that tomsloger referred to, 214. And from there I re-read the last couple back-and-forths, and man, my sympathy for Tapping has gone up a lot. tom's arguments aren't nearly as coherent as I'd thought they were, and while I still disapprove of some of Tapping's comments, I no longer think that his comments are inconsistent with a townie mindset.
unvote. And since I want to reread him later, I'll vote:7hawk77 for now.
Please explain how "we didn't need the scum getting this much information so early" knowing that. A.) This rule might not even exist in this game, it's just a possibility and B.) Why do you think this is actually useful to the scum team more so than town?
@Tom
Hey tom. You enjoying your this game so far?
@Everyone else
I think hans is my biggest town read right now.
Since I asked the question first, can you answer it? I'd prefer to have questions answered rather than deflected with a question on myself. I have no problem answering, but please give me the same honor. What benefit do you gain by not discussing?
The problem is you are trying to control my play without the knowledge my role brings. I don't find discussion that useful about roles and game setup unless I'm very familiar with the player. For example rhand and myself come to different conclusions about game and roles pretty often. If proph asked to wait, I probably would have waited. I don't know you, I don't trust you and you saying blanket statements like that seems like you are trying to act towny but really not doing anything.
Also its called OMGUS. And generally that happens when someone votes and then an immediate counter vote happens. Also im not completely sold you are scum so I'm not sure why you think that would apply.
Now please answer my previous questions. Also how much experience do you have playing forum mafia?
Also one thing I should mention before I forget is the rule I listed earlier was given a number 2. Not sure how many rules there are but maybe I can get a random upper bound later to estimate.
@rob
Have we ever played together?
Also I'd like you to answer the 2 questions I asked ghosting earlier, but I would like him to answer first.
The problem is you are trying to control my play without the knowledge my role brings. I don't find discussion that useful about roles and game setup unless I'm very familiar with the player. For example rhand and myself come to different conclusions about game and roles pretty often. If proph asked to wait, I probably would have waited. I don't know you, I don't trust you and you saying blanket statements like that seems like you are trying to act towny but really not doing anything.
I understand this thought process, but it's not one I personally would've come to. I almost always favour more discussion over less discussion. If you're saying I'm not doing anything though, read my other posts?
Also its called OMGUS. And generally that happens when someone votes and then an immediate counter vote happens. Also im not completely sold you are scum so I'm not sure why you think that would apply.
Sweet, thank you, that was the term I was looking for. When I read what you said and replied, I got the impression you were calling me scum/scummy in response to me implying similar about you earlier. I read it at like 6am, so my apologies if I'm wrong. Regardless, I'm glad you reminded me of the term.
Now please answer my previous questions. Also how much experience do you have playing forum mafia?
I've completed I think 5 games? Maybe 6? One or two wasn't a basic, the rest were. I've played scum I think...twice? It's been years since I've played, lol.
I can't see your other questions right now, posting during test review in physics because the professor is going off topic too much.
Now I see your questions, Hawk, and I think I may have kind of answered them in my last post? To expand:
I simply wanted more time rather than no time to at least discuss the potential ramifications of the claim. There's been a lot of stuff going on, and with the Hans claim, governor claim, etc., I believed it would be best to at least have SOME semblance of discussion before another claim is thrown out there.
Nachomamma8
I like him, I like his role. The paranoia about the game style is the only second of hesitance I would give to this slot.
Strong town read from me, Lean town read from us.
:). I have friends on the other side. They speak to me of you all. Well, in this case Nacho. We will continue to observe you, although this shard is still growing stale.
Now I see your questions, Hawk, and I think I may have kind of answered them in my last post? To expand:
I simply wanted more time rather than no time to at least discuss the potential ramifications of the claim. There's been a lot of stuff going on, and with the Hans claim, governor claim, etc., I believed it would be best to at least have SOME semblance of discussion before another claim is thrown out there.
You need to specifically answer why you think the rule I provided helps scum more than town, which is what you said
if he was town, knowing that he should end the day and skip the night because of some danger hes aware of that we arent, id like us to also be aware of it. and the fact that he didnt share is whats making me uneasy.
if hes worried about making himself a target, why not just skip the night again until he can get someone protecting him.
if its just a one shot, and he cant do that, then why use it day one in the first place.
i just made a lot of assumptions and guesses about why/how his ability works. i wouldnt have to make those assumptions/guesses if i had more information.
sorry for repeating myself so much, but hans is suspicious until i have a more solid reasoning on his behalf for that action.
Questions:
1)Are you saying you want Hans to fullclaim today? If so, do you have a better reason than "not knowing things makes me twitchy"?
2)You do a lot of "I'm not scumreading him, but he's suspicious, but if he's scum..." in this post and I'm having a hard time following your actual read of him. What is your opinion of Hans right now?
1) no, not really. to both of yr questions. i dont really want him to claim, because i wouldnt have a good reason besides being "twitchy".
2) null. my gut is leaning town. but the ending the day thing still doesnt compute.
You need to specifically answer why you think the rule I provided helps scum more than town, which is what you said
Rather than misconstrue what I said, keep in mind I didn't know what your role was before you claimed it.
As I've said, I firmly believe any discussion > no discussion.
Taredas is the moderator, true - this does not mean Tar doesn't have a role in the game. In previous Mind Screws (five or so?), Tar has had a role in the game as moderator.
Sorry for boring posts recently, but have been busy during work and posting during lunch so this is all you're getting for now.
Taredas is the moderator, true - this does not mean Tar doesn't have a role in the game. In previous Mind Screws (five or so?), Tar has had a role in the game as moderator.
Sorry for boring posts recently, but have been busy during work and posting during lunch so this is all you're getting for now.
@Nacho-Does your role take place during twilight? Obviously we are going to use your role today to confirm you and another person but I need to know when do you activate your ability?
@all-We have no idea when the day ends as such it might be nice to have your vote on someone you think might be scum in case they surprise us.
Also its called OMGUS. And generally that happens when someone votes and then an immediate counter vote happens. Also im not completely sold you are scum so I'm not sure why you think that would apply.
Disliking the phrasing you are using there to state your suspicion of Ghosting. "not completely sold" - there's a lot of weasel in there.
Please explain how "we didn't need the scum getting this much information so early" knowing that. A.) This rule might not even exist in this game, it's just a possibility and B.) Why do you think this is actually useful to the scum team more so than town?
Hard to defend a quote that I didn't say, really. What I said was this:
Didn't really care.
Claiming was my personal choice and I think it helps the town more to get information like this out in the open.
The thing is, I don't see this as helping the town. You have told us that, among the rules we cannot see, there may or may not be one that says that roles can break the game rules. That's barely information of any kind.
You have provided information that may or may not be true, and that, if true, may or may not help the town, and may or may not help the scum. Pretty much all that revealing the information did was, well, allow you to reveal the information. That seems self-serving enough to be suspicious to me.
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The mod hasn't responded yet to tomsloger's questions, so I'll hold off on follow-ups about the vote count irregularities until I'm sure they won't be edited.
So you don't like me taking no stance on someone after disliking a post they made?
My initial scum read is now my biggest town read. It's page 6 on day 1 and most people are still null to me. I'm not sure if ghost is scum or just has a different view of the game than I do.
Tom and anak both town cleared hans instantly without evidence. Can you please explain your thoughts on those players?
"PRESENT DAY. PRESENT TIME. AHAHAHAHAHA!"
Necarg has conspicuously failed to receive any mod punishment whatsoever for post 28.
EDIT: Taredas has received a Foul for noting an incorrect time stamp and screwing up this vote count.
DoTArchon's V/LA until Friday is acknowledged.
The First Vote Count (aka the "Let's Play a Game!" Vote Count)
1) 7hawk77 (3) -
2) Anaklusmos (0) -
3) Bur (0) -
4) Darth Melvin (0) -
6) DoTArchon (0) -
7) Gentleman Johnny (0) -
8) Ghosting (0) -
9) hansanator (0) -
10) Huntzilla (0) -
11) Jobie (0) -
12) iamabusinessman (0) -
13) Killjoy (0) - Bur
14) leukovirus (1) -
15) Nachomamma8 (0) -
16) Necarg (0) -
17) Prophylaxis (0) - iamabusinessman
18) RobRoy (1) -
19) TappingStones (0) - tomsloger, Necarg
20) tomsloger (2) - 7hawk77, TappingStones, Ghosting
Taredas (1) - Prophylaxis
No Lynch (2) - Gentleman Johnny, hansanator
Rod Serling (1) - Jobie
Not Voting (11) - Anaklusmos, Darth Melvin, DoTArchon, Huntzilla, Killjoy, leukovirus, Nachomamma8, RobRoy
With ??? votes in play it takes ??? votes to lynch.
Day 1 Deadline: [REDACTED - Rule 0]
Please stop posting. Mod scene forthcoming.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
What you are about to see and hear is something strangely familiar and yet strangely different. An echo not in space or in time, but in the mind. Welcome to the future... in the Twilight Zone.
<DISCONTINUITY>
"And you don't seem to understand
A shame you seemed an honest man..."
A teenage girl wanders through the street of a city.
"... And all the fears you hold so dear
Will turn to whisper in your ear..."
The city seems like it should be bustling, but it seems strangely deserted. The humming of electrical wires is omnipresent.
The girl continues on, simultaneously lost in thought and keenly watching her surroundings. She seems to be looking for something...
"... And you know what they say might hurt you
And you know that it means so much
And you don't even feel a thing..."
There's something else amiss, too, besides the streets and the wires. Is it the sky? Is it the signs in the buildings? Is it the girl herself?
"... I am falling
I am fading
I have lost it all..."
The girl seems to have found what she was looking for - her school building. It should be locked at this hour, but the door opens for her - without a key?
She heads inside.
"... And you don't seem the lying kind
A shame that I can read your mind
And all the things that I read there
Candle lit smile that we both share..."
There's an echo in your thoughts, but it's strange, distorted. Or is it? You can't tell.
"... And you know I don't mean to hurt you
But you know that it means so much
And you don't even feel a thing..."
The girl reappears, on the roof now. She walks to the edge, and looks down. You almost think you see someone behind her as she falls off the ledge...
"... I am falling
I am fading
I am drowning, help me to breathe..."
*SPLAT*
"... I am hurting
I have lost it all
I am losing, help me to breathe..."
<DISCONTINUITY>
17) Prophylaxis, Chise Yomoda, Mostly Vanilla Town, fell from a great height Day 2
Vote Count reset. Day 2 will resume momentarily.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
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Are you the co-mod of this game?
Azrael is not a member of the moderation team for this game.
Are you also a player in this game?
Azrael is allowed to post in the thread.
Do you have full access to this game's setup?
Azrael is listed as a reviewer in the signups.
...Is Taredas also playing in this game?
Classified information.
Why were these three players given fouls but nobody else?
For the same reason Taredas received a Foul for post 5.
Is Taredas the Game Host or the Moderator?
Yes. (The terms are synonymous this game.)
Is Azreal the Game Host or the Moderator
Azrael is listed as a reviewer in the signup thread and is allowed to post in the thread.
What is the Weather Currently?
Stormy. See post 21.
What channel is the TV turned to Currently?
-1. See post 21.
Are there other Warning Lights?
Classified information!
How many votes until a player is lynched today.
Classified information!
What year is it?
There is no in-game answer to this question. Outside of the game, it is currently 2016.
How many Communists are currently in the game?
Classified information!
Is Seppel playing under any circumstance?
The game host/moderator has vanishingly low tolerance for players who post in game threads after being modkilled.
If I guess a rule correctly will you confirm the rule?
No.
Can new rules be made?
If your role PM allows you to make new rules, then yes! Otherwise no.
Is Taredas or Azreal trying to destroy the Town Faction?
Classified information!
Who currently hands out fouls?
Taredas.
Have any "Strikes" happened?
Not unless I've missed something...
Does Azreal of Taredas hand out the "Strikes"?
Taredas.
Does Azreal or Taredas hand out "Fouls"?
Taredas.
Does Azreal know what causes "Fouls"?
Classified information!
Am I asking questions correctly?
Close enough.
Vote Count kind sir
Funny you would mention that...
Azreal are you trying to remove anyone from the game?
Classified information!
Also can I vote Taredas or do I need to go through the charade of actually voting him to figure this out?
Proph already successfully voted Taredas, so...
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Additionally, please remember that actions are to be sent to Taredas and Taredas only (unless I publicly announce a backup moderator).
Also note that Azrael vote count are not official!
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The Second Vote Count (aka the "It's Called Mod WIFOM!" Vote Count)
1) 7hawk77 (0) -
2) Anaklusmos (0) -
3) Bur (0) -
4) Darth Melvin (0) -
6) DoTArchon (0) -
7) Gentleman Johnny (0) -
8) Ghosting (0) -
9) hansanator (0) -
10) Huntzilla (0) -
11) Jobie (0) -
12) iambusinessman (0) -
13) Killjoy (0) -
14) leukovirus (0) -
15) Nachomamma8 (0) -
16) Necarg (0) -
18) RobRoy (0) -
19) TappingStones (0) - RobRoy
20) tomsloger (1) -
Iso (1) - Deaths_Vampire
No Lynch (1) - iambusinessman
Not Voting (18) - 7hawk77, Anaklusmos, Bur, Darth Melvin, DoTArchon, Gentleman Johnny, Ghosting, hansanator, Huntzilla, Jobie, Killjoy, leukovirus, Nachomamma8, Necarg, TappingStones, tomsloger
With ??? votes in play it takes ??? votes to lynch.
Day 1 Deadline: [REDACTED - Rule 0]
Day 2 continues. You may post.
End Point of Order!
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
What did he fall from?
What did he fall on to?
Was he pushed?
Did the fall kill him? The stop at the bottom?
Are both of those vote counts accurate? Neither?
My notes steered me back to Tapping's posts 53 and 58, where he was trying to get hansanator to share more data about his forcing us into Day 2. He did it in a rather aggressive manner that didn't sit well with me.
Wow. That's some interesting math. I don't think anyone's voting for Hawk or leukovirus, but the vote on me might be D_V. No idea why the other votes aren't adding up correctly.
Also, I believe I voted for TappingStones in 193... which, see below.
Liking the Rod Serling NPC a lot less now.
I didn't know who Chise Yomoda was, so I hit up Google and asked. It instead showed me hits for a Chis[b]a[/b]Yomoda from Serial Experiments Lain - someone who committed suicide and then kept sending out e-mails. Curious if this means that we haven't heard the last of Proph.
Huh. Curious if this is going to be edited soon.
I do not believe that this one is fully dead.
Azreal on the other hand has deceived me. This means that Taredas our so called moderator is playing the game. Whether he is a force for good or evil remains to be seen.
V/LA from now until the 24th, I'll attempt to post on Friday and Monday, but no guarantees.
Random Mafia 2 Town MVP
'08 MTGS Fantasy Football Overall Champion
Best Non-SK Neutral Performance (Individual)
No.
These latest posts by Taredas make my head hurt. I demand that Azrael do the vote-counts from now on.
@Nachomamma8
I know this has been asked once already but I wanna ask again for emphasis...
Why is Necarg Town?
FoS: D v, DoTArchon, Huntzilla, Tomsloger, Hansa
Probably town.
Bur, Tappingstones, Proph, Jobie
Paranoid about...
Nachomamma, 7hawk
V/LA until the 21st
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He spends a lot of time focusing on me and not just on suspicion. He asks me not to talk about on-going games (even though at the time it was clear that Tom was also referring to an on-going game with his Hansa post).
Starts off saying that Tom is town, then in his next reference to Tom he says that he only feels ok about it, besides the slapfight. It's like Bur wants to support Tom but doesn't want to appear too close to him. He wants to cast suspicious against me because I am suspicious of Tom.
Makes a very strange post saying that Hansa's motivation doesn't have to be scum motivated, even though I never implied this.
Is very self-conscious about his post count. Makes reference that he has the 4th most posts...like huh?? How are you even thinking about this? I know I have posted a lot but I didn't search to see my rank.
A lot of busy work questions that just feel faked.
and it takes like 3 seconds to see post count
and repeatedly demanding the town motivation (and claiming there absolutely isnt one) is pretty clearly implying scum motivation. you even voted him.
do we get to see your pbpa?
You were clearly referring to the on-going game and when I pushed the issue you mentioned some game which you didn't even play in and refused to reference where the "easy to read" tells are in that game. But Tom, this isn't all about you (as much as you'd like it to be). I'm looking over other players. This is a pretty big player pool and I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of heavy lifting being done by others in this game. This game essentially consists of me investigating while fighting off those that want to attack.
Tom are you going to actually investigate anyone today or just hop around throwing out town reads?
Do you get to see my PBPA? What do you mean "see it"? Am I supposed to take a photo of my notes?
@IABM-Read NEcarg in isolation. It's pretty gross.
ive never had a specific past post to reference. i have a general idea of hans as a mafia player, which is far more valuable to me.
im really gonna need you to stop accusing me of breaking the rules. if you want to argue that im scum, thats fine. thats what youve done to every person whos ever called you scum regardless of your alignment (and a thing i think youre faking now that you finally are scum)
and sorry if youre taking notes on paper like a chump.
i was under the impression that a post by post analysis was a thing you posted in the thread. but mafia terminology isnt exactly my strong suit.
@Tom-You say NEcarg is scum. Where is your analysis?
its just one post, but when youve only got 8 a really scummy one really stands out.
Post 215 was by me....so not sure what you are talking about.
215 was your post that quoted it in its entirety and responded only to my using "you" instead of "your" (which i didnt notice until now btw. embarrassing typo.)
Is there something there you were waiting on? The only question is in regards for me calling you out on suggesting the lynch must be between you and I.
Was I not factual? Pretty sure you suggested that terrible idea.
i apologize to everyone else reading this.
if you really dont have anything to say to those two posts, im just gonna assume that you accept my complete evisceration of all your arguments and will be waiting for your self vote.
i was just assuming you hadnt actually read them since you kept asking questions i already answered
Tom do you wonder why so many people are doubting you and saying your play is scummy? Do you wonder why you are always killed on day one or two? THIS right here is a prime reason. You absolutely refuse to engage in this game. I have slammed the door on all your terrible arguments and others have noted the same thing. Your case against me was summed up well by another player "He mad but not mad like I remember him being mad". You are incapable of making a coherent argument and have an ego large enough that you refuse to be anything but the center of attention at all times.
I have done all the work I need to do on you at the moment. Sorry if you feel like a lost puppy dog that needs to chase after me for affection. I posted my ideas on Bur, I posted ideas on Necarg and others. Are you going to at any point, actually scum hunt or are you just going to sit there and get killed like EVERY other game you've ever played in. I'm calling you out right here. Your PLAY SUCKS.
that seems silly. if im terrible i should be pretty easy to refute.
but cool. i dont really need to interact with you any more as i already know youre scum.
everyone else can decide for themselves, and will probably be much happier this way.
see you postgame/when you decide to treat me with basic human respect
Don't be rude TOM. I attacked your PLAY which is completely normal. Your play stinks, everyone knows it. It's the subject of every game you play in. You REFUSE to change, take new ideas or improve. Others are noting your famous tunneling which is still present this game. Don't try to pull the woe is me routine. You tunneled me as scum with zero evidence, when pressed you presented a bunch of misreps and outright lies.
Again, if you want to die every single game on day one or two keep playing with this scummy persona. You make the games impossible to play in because you refuse to stop spamming. You refuse to engage with logical arguments and continually call obvious town players scum.
Get with it Tom. In pre-game I was happy to hear that you would be different and trying new things. This is the same old scummy, spamming, tunneling Tom.
What a pity...
Wait you think BOTH of the mods are playing in this game? That's literally impossible, even in Mind Screw Mafia.
1) Ok.
2)I'm not debating that Hans' ability use isn't strange. Attacking him for that is fine. My question is why his lack of desire to explain himself at that moment warrented a vote.
Ah. Your tone seemed to suggest otherwise.
Hm. Hey leuko, what's your mafia experience?
This leads me to a new question... if you didn't beleive he was scum, why did you snapvote him?
Questions:
1)Are you saying you want Hans to fullclaim today? If so, do you have a better reason than "not knowing things makes me twitchy"?
2)You do a lot of "I'm not scumreading him, but he's suspicious, but if he's scum..." in this post and I'm having a hard time following your actual read of him. What is your opinion of Hans right now?
Already covered this, I think. Should be in the lower part of my last post.
That makes no sense. None whatsoever.Tar is 100% the game host. IDK what Az is, but I doubt very much that he is trying to kill Tar, and I doubt that Tar is trying to kill him.
So I imagine in the two hours since your last post you'd done that research you were saying on the previous Mind Screws. What did you find?
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I wonder if Prophy's Summoning of Iso is what killed him. Or whatever gamestate he's in now, since there's a chance he can still do stuff apperently.
Are D_V and Az working together somewhow? I feel like they've been interacting a bunch and it feels weird.
I need to reread Tapping, but I dislike his tone in his posts.
@Taredas: Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?
If Day 1 has a deadline, and that deadline is still in effect... and Day 1 already ended, how does that effect our deadline for D2?
@Az: Can you post for me "This statement is true" in red, please? I want to see if you can.
I agree that Prophy is probably not fully dead.
I'm mostly ignoring Tom/TS because it's just so much words.
*hands townread to killjoy* *glares at ghosting and the censored figure muttering misrep to himself*
I voted him to apply pressure in a situation I feel is suspicious. In my short Mafia experience whenever I'm suspicious of someone and don't vote them, the veteran players would always say "If you find him suspicious why aren't you voting him?" I've found this to be good practice(though I don't think it's a must.) I'm not a player who likes to tunnel and I pride myself on improving the fluidity of my reads so a vote like that is only going to stick if a player remains the most suspicious or there is a good reason for me to continue to apply pressure, usually that would be to keep the suspect talking.
It's fine for you to dislike my tone, though it's in no way alignment based as many players in this very game will attest to. I am direct, and like to try and solve the game. I'm quite aware that I can make mistakes in my reads as a new player and put pressure on others to participate. Some don't like that. You can read Predator Mafia, Mafia Classic, etc.
If you are active, make honest reads and try to solve the game you'll get along with me swimmingly, if you're hiding in the background, or giving weak reads I'll call you out on it. I expect the same thing in return mind you.
In order, because I am feeling nice :
7hawk77
Doing stuff and things. He hasn't been a super start so far, but it is day1/2/whatever and it lines up pretty well with what I expect from him. I see no reason for scum to dump the information out that he did, even if it is not relevant by itself (since we don't know other rules) Lean Town
Anaklusmos
Not super impressed with him thus far. I want to see more before I make a judgement call. Null
Bur
Less than impressed. I am seeing a lot of questions, but I am seeing very little follow up in them. I have caught quite a few people for simliar reasons and I would be ok with Bur being Nachoed as of now. Lean Scum
Darth Melvin, DoTArchon, Jobie
I don't even know if these three are in this game...
Ghosting
His first few posts read as though he is attempting to join in late and be relevant (which I don't have an issue with). His anger at hawk for revealing his information feels lukewarm at best. Gun to me head, I would mark him as Lean Scum, but I want to see more.
hansanator
Claims shifting day. If I have more suspicion roused, I might ask for a full claim, but we are satisfied with him currently Town.
Huntzilla
I almost put a "he is in this game" point to him, but he did interact with my no lynch, we he could have ignored it. I find it hard to believe scumHunt would make any mention of that if he was trying to stay under the radar, even though he missed my response for not pushing no-lynch, but simply using Nacho to do it. Lean Town, but I would like to see more.
iamabusinessman
His championing of TS is curious. I don't really know where he stands on anynone else except TS and maybe Tom. Null.
Haven't really been paying attention to him. Nothing stands out in recent memory. I am not sure how I feel about posts like his last one. I do it as does several other players, but I always get paranoid about "catch-up posts" being just lazy scum trying to stay engaged in the game. That said, I did like most of his responses, but I don't understand the speculation on whether Proph is fully dead or not.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Haven't really been watching. I am ok with his interaction with Hans, and don't recall anything that he has posted towards others. Lean Town
Nachomamma8
I like him, I like his role. The paranoia about the game style is the only second of hesitance I would give to this slot.
Strong town read from me, Lean town read from us.
Necarg
The only relvent point on Necarg I have right now is that he jumped on TS. Not a super impressive resume. Lean scum
RobRoy
I like his intro, and have felt even though he hasn't been posting too much, his posts have content to them.Lean Town
TappingStones
Can't explain it, but I feel good about him. MAybe it is because I dislike the people voting him, and like the people voting Tom more. Lean Town
Tom
The bravado, his interaction with Tom, and his cockiness are all not registering with me. I could see him v. Tapping being town on town for sure, but if I had to pick, Tom is likely the scum out of the two. Lean scum
I was lazy, and didn't look past this page, but this is basically my snapshot of the game. Right now, I would ask Tom to be wrung up, and put the mafia in the weird situation of either letting a confirmed town run around, or have to nk Tom. That actually soudns dynamite, but I want to see my nulls pan out.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
unvote. And since I want to reread him later, I'll vote:7hawk77 for now.
The problem is you are trying to control my play without the knowledge my role brings. I don't find discussion that useful about roles and game setup unless I'm very familiar with the player. For example rhand and myself come to different conclusions about game and roles pretty often. If proph asked to wait, I probably would have waited. I don't know you, I don't trust you and you saying blanket statements like that seems like you are trying to act towny but really not doing anything.
Also its called OMGUS. And generally that happens when someone votes and then an immediate counter vote happens. Also im not completely sold you are scum so I'm not sure why you think that would apply.
Now please answer my previous questions. Also how much experience do you have playing forum mafia?
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@rob
Have we ever played together?
Also I'd like you to answer the 2 questions I asked ghosting earlier, but I would like him to answer first.
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Tomsloger
Necarg
lean scum
Bur
Hansanator
null
Jobie
DV
DOTA
I'll be checking into those who aren't posting as we have very few people participating at the moment.
The above group is a good place to start though. Tom has been transparent scum and Necarg's 155 is notoriously scummy.
I might ride Bur a bit and see where it takes me. Im not content with Hans but Im sure Ill find a spot down the line on him if he is indeed scum.
I understand this thought process, but it's not one I personally would've come to. I almost always favour more discussion over less discussion. If you're saying I'm not doing anything though, read my other posts?
Sweet, thank you, that was the term I was looking for. When I read what you said and replied, I got the impression you were calling me scum/scummy in response to me implying similar about you earlier. I read it at like 6am, so my apologies if I'm wrong. Regardless, I'm glad you reminded me of the term.
I've completed I think 5 games? Maybe 6? One or two wasn't a basic, the rest were. I've played scum I think...twice? It's been years since I've played, lol.
I can't see your other questions right now, posting during test review in physics because the professor is going off topic too much.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
ex:
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
I simply wanted more time rather than no time to at least discuss the potential ramifications of the claim. There's been a lot of stuff going on, and with the Hans claim, governor claim, etc., I believed it would be best to at least have SOME semblance of discussion before another claim is thrown out there.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
:). I have friends on the other side. They speak to me of you all. Well, in this case Nacho. We will continue to observe you, although this shard is still growing stale.
Is that all you have to ask about?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I promise, I am smiling at all of you at all times. Even if our posts do not show us.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Negative.
You need to specifically answer why you think the rule I provided helps scum more than town, which is what you said
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hey kj. i have none.
1) no, not really. to both of yr questions. i dont really want him to claim, because i wouldnt have a good reason besides being "twitchy".
2) null. my gut is leaning town. but the ending the day thing still doesnt compute.
Why do you think D_V is being so emphatic that it's not day 2?
What do you think about D_V?
Vote:Necarg
Where did you run off to? You can't just call someone scum, make a post as ridiculous as 155 and then disappear man.
Necarg do you think Im scum still? Do you think it is possible to get me lynched with the type of arguments you and Tom cooked up?
Give us a T/S report at your earliest convenience. Thanks old sport!
Rather than misconstrue what I said, keep in mind I didn't know what your role was before you claimed it.
As I've said, I firmly believe any discussion > no discussion.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Sorry for boring posts recently, but have been busy during work and posting during lunch so this is all you're getting for now.
@Nacho-Does your role take place during twilight? Obviously we are going to use your role today to confirm you and another person but I need to know when do you activate your ability?
@all-We have no idea when the day ends as such it might be nice to have your vote on someone you think might be scum in case they surprise us.
Disliking the phrasing you are using there to state your suspicion of Ghosting. "not completely sold" - there's a lot of weasel in there.
Looked back. Star Wars, technically - but I missed literally 2/3 of that game to a V/LA and some RL issues.
And to verify, the questions you are referring to are these?
Hard to defend a quote that I didn't say, really. What I said was this:
You have provided information that may or may not be true, and that, if true, may or may not help the town, and may or may not help the scum. Pretty much all that revealing the information did was, well, allow you to reveal the information. That seems self-serving enough to be suspicious to me.
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The mod hasn't responded yet to tomsloger's questions, so I'll hold off on follow-ups about the vote count irregularities until I'm sure they won't be edited.
My initial scum read is now my biggest town read. It's page 6 on day 1 and most people are still null to me. I'm not sure if ghost is scum or just has a different view of the game than I do.
Tom and anak both town cleared hans instantly without evidence. Can you please explain your thoughts on those players?
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