I don't possess an ounce of spite or hatred. I simply think logically, you make more sense as scum than Nacho or Hunt. You are doing very little to persuade me otherwise.
Nonsense. I can be convinced of anything if the logic is there.
read over my Sir Chris conversation again and tell me you think i faked it
otherwise, i don't really care
I would suggest you start caring. Unvote: Vaimes, just to prevent yesterday from happening again.
I'll give you something you can interact with, if you really want to convince me, but don't think it will happen directly with me: What do you think of Hunt's interaction with Chris day 1 both in a vacuum and compared to yours?
like i think you are projecting scumminess onto everything i say when it isn't actually there
Your defense of a traitor was that it is how it usually works, however according to the wiki:
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Beyond this simple definition, the implementation of Traitor varies wildly between games.
It is very possible that the scum knew Jobie, or that they didn't know he existed. Your tone implied that the mafia didn't know, and you said it with more confidance than I could imagine a townie saying it, unless it was pure bravado (which I hate).
also no spite/hatred from me either, to be clear
i'm just having fun with you
We are not out of the woods yet, and there is still a slight margin for error. It doesn't strike me a joking time right now, and if you can't see why you are getting PoEed out, I don't know what to tell you. I can/will look back at dead posts (I mostly skimmed), but even when the town first started going after NAcho, I was baffled.
@Cyan: You also said I had the scummiest post of the day. Forgive me if I take that statement with a grain of salt. Notvox from what I remember also had a set of abilities that would be insane for a single townie to have, and was another one of many investigative roles.
First off, the invention that I distributed last night was a doctor to Citric. This didn't show up in his flip because gifting an invention is something that resolves after kills in Tar's action resolution; I gave him a doctor instead of a roleblock because keeping Hans alive for an extra night and using my roleblock later would have equaled a super win. I gave Citric a doctor because I thought that Citric was going to be protecting Hans with his night action, and because I thought that Citric would be the most likely to keep his mouth shut about receiving a doctor. I didn't expect him to die; it made the most sense for me for the scum to shoot Cyan to finally get the chance to clear out the confirmed town they had been shooting at for days, it didn't make sense for Citric to protect anyone but Hans since Hans had an ability and was confirmed town once Jobie flipped.
I gave a roleblock invention to Cyan last night which means that we're still in an auto-win situation. If Cyan not getting the roleblock invention was a mistake, then we lynch one of huntzilla/vaimes while Cyan roleblocks me and then lynch the other next day. If it wasn't, then lynch me so you know the last scum is lying about being Vanilla, then Huntzilla is confirmed town and you can power lynch Vaimes after he kills GJ.
I don't believe that the last scum has to be something stronger than Vanilla; I believe that 5 scum + SK + Vig in a 21 player game can be pretty ******* brutal to town as demonstrated by us killing at least 1 scum every Day/Night cycle and reviver getting both shots off AND scum failing kill twice and us still being in a position that wouldn't be that great if certain things didn't happen the way they did.
i mean...i thought it looked fishy, and was part of what made me interact with Sir Chris in the first place
this is all stuff that already exists, i'll point you to the posts in a sec
i think both of those options for Traitors sounds weird/dumb. an underpowered scumteam with a Traitor, and they don't know a Traitor exists? please. they could have known it was Jobie, but eh
this is a game and I'll joke if i want to, though i won't do anything that harms the game like going against my wincon or anything like that
i'm going to laugh if we're in a situation where the last scum is like, untargetable and can kill despite being roleblocked. i remember reading a Voxx vs. Seppel game where that happened
Cyan: wasn't that RB fake? So if you used a shield that Night, then. You used it.
I mean..Jobie definitely had the item; we saw it on his corpse. We don't know definitively whether or not he used it, but, it seems really unlikely. If you think he faked that information, then you definitely have to conclude that he is scum, and either A)just wanted to get a mislynch and figured he could play it off(or give up the game) or B)he was able to communicate with Jobie because of SC and this was a plan that they concocted together. Nacho is scum in either of these scenarios.
It's also possible that he was being truthful and that it was indeed a dummy item, but something about this seems unnecessary to me, especially if the role is town. It's just super convenient that he just happened to give it to one of the last remaining scum(and an unattached one at that).
Blah. The whole thing feels too good to be true. I probably should have just vigged Nacho in the first place, I just didn't because the missing NKs didn't make sense to me, but with prowling flipped town and Rhand Vanilla..I no longer really care.
Let me get this straight:
You think that I was so desperate to get Jobie as a mislynch that I faked a guilty on him and planned to talk my way out of it? OR that Jobie and I have been communicating since N1 and the best coordination we could come up with was me bussing the crap out of him as opposed to me claiming I only had two protective shields and stuffing Jobie's face with the rest of my inventions? And if we had communication then I decided NOT to let him roleblock you and shoot at you anyways?
Wait a minute, didn't you say that the roleblock thing was a dud? Which is why you know Jobie was scum?
I have a one-shot ability to make an invention a dud; I will also be told when they try to use it and who they tried to use it on. I was informed of Jobie trying to use the fake roleblock on Cyan.
And while I did come into the day thinking Vaimes was scum because his turnaround on me sucked and I hate people pointing to their interactions with scum as the reason to call him scum, I'm pretty okay with his posting today.
And while I did come into the day thinking Vaimes was scum because his turnaround on me sucked and I hate people pointing to their interactions with scum as the reason to call him scum, I'm pretty okay with his posting today.
Can you do that again without the pronouns?
I don't mean to be rude, I just don't understand what you are trying to say.
let's be real, Nacho, it's not like there's a lot of people to turnaround on
all that's left is me, you, and Huntzilla. and you could argue for Cyan, since he's technically unconfirmed, but i'm more or less discarding that world entirely since the game will be over before it could ever possibly be resolved
so like. i'm town, so i won't lynch myself. Huntzilla is confirmed vanilla and had that AtE thing. so, you are my corpse of choice toDay
also which post were you referring to, for clarification, as there are three of them
And while I did come into the day thinking Vaimes was scum because his turnaround on me sucked and I hate people pointing to their interactions with scum as the reason to call him scum, I'm pretty okay with his posting today.
Can you do that again without the pronouns?
I don't mean to be rude, I just don't understand what you are trying to say.
@Vaimes: I'll start when I get home.
I thought Vaimes was scum at the beginning of the day.
I disliked Vaimes's turnaround on me because it sucked.
I thought Vaimes's point that Vaimes's interactions with Chris was what made him town sucked.
I don't mind his posting today at all; in particular, the joking with you doesn't seem like Vaimes!scum, especially based on what I've heard about his scumgame.
And, just to reiterate since it doesn't seem like it sunk in for anyone yet,
I GAVE CYAN A ROLEBLOCK INVENTION LAST NIGHT. IF TAR CONFIRMS THERE WASN'T A MISTAKE, THEN LAST SCUM IS CONFIRMED NOT-VANILLA WHICH CONFIRMS HUNT AS TOWN, WHICH MEANS WE WIN. IF THERE WAS A MISTAKE, THEN CYAN HAS A ROLEBLOCK INVENTION AND WE WIN.
There wasn't a mistake > Cyan has a roleblock invention > we lynch a suspect, block Hunt/Me during the night. Scum can't no kill to frame a townie because no killing would put the game at 5 alive (and thus we could lynch through both of them anyways). Lynch last scum for the win.
There was a mistake > Last scum isn't Vanilla (it is either me or someone who ****ed with my invention) > Hunt is confirmed town > lynch me/you, win.
Alright, we'll just wait and see whether or not I got an RB item last night, but Taredas already told me that a lone scum could use their individual action and submit the scum NK, so I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is.
Alright, we'll just wait and see whether or not I got an RB item last night, but Taredas already told me that a lone scum could use their individual action and submit the scum NK, so I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is.
did you read my earlier posts about the whole we win automatically thing?
I was coming in to say I thought Nacho was scum. But now that he votes outside of his little "plan to win the game" scenarios, I am DEFINITELY voting him.
I don't get your sudden change.
I was coming in to say I thought Nacho was scum. But now that he votes outside of his little "plan to win the game" scenarios, I am DEFINITELY voting him.
I don't get your sudden change.
Vote: Nacho
You sure know how to make a man feel good about his vote, don't you?
What more do you want?
Either you believe that Vaimes, Nacho, or myself is the last scum.
You confirmed me as vanilla.
Vaimes claims vanilla as well, and that he is staunchly town.
Nacho came up with two scenarios, and then chooses to vote me afterward. Which I don't see how it fits the two scenarios, but that could just be me.
Plow and you are mod confirmed town.
I suppose in some unknown universe Cyan could be scum, but I highly doubt it.
I believe that the last scum needs to have some power.
Ergo, Nacho is the last scum. If he flips town somehow, than we lynch Vaimes for being a naughty liar. I don't really see how we can lose...
i don't believe that last scum has to have power.
that's the piece of the puzzle you're missing, but i like that you're posting please continue and also vote vaimes
I was coming in to say I thought Nacho was scum. But now that he votes outside of his little "plan to win the game" scenarios, I am DEFINITELY voting him.
I don't get your sudden change.
Vote: Nacho
You sure know how to make a man feel good about his vote, don't you?
Even if I die today then tomorrow you get strung up. I don't particularly care either way this time. Game is on auto win...
But seriously, why the sudden change from "Hunt's confirmed town" to voting?
I was coming in to say I thought Nacho was scum. But now that he votes outside of his little "plan to win the game" scenarios, I am DEFINITELY voting him.
I don't get your sudden change.
Vote: Nacho
You sure know how to make a man feel good about his vote, don't you?
Even if I die today then tomorrow you get strung up. I don't particularly care either way this time. Game is on auto win...
But seriously, why the sudden change from "Hunt's confirmed town" to voting?
game IS on auto-win.
because i put us there.
scum!nacho would have come into this Day with the tiniest tiniest tiniest chance of winning if he got both you and vaimes lynched. but instead of trying to get you lynched, he gives cyan a way to resolve an extra suspect and erases that final chance of him winning because ??????
i told you to vote vaimes because i thought you might have been town since scum!you probably rolls over and dies when he realizes he has literally no chance of winning. i am not so confident that you realize that fact quite yet.
but i mean if you really want to push a case on me then I don't want to discourage you from doing so: i'd be really interested why you think that i'm scum after putting myself in this situation because really the only explanation i have for why someone could think that i'm scum at this point starts and ends with "because Nacho hates winning as scum".
lol trying to provoke me emotionally isn't going to work.
You are the last scum Nacho.
Die
Well, not quite.
I am trying to point out that giving Cyan a roleblock means that I would have 100% erased my chances of winning as scum, which implies pretty strongly (in my opinion) that I am town.
I am being a little obnoxious about this, fair, but that's because I'm happy and proud of myself with this game and enjoy the feeling of talking ***** to scum who can no longer win the game. My intent was never to provoke you.
There is no need for a "case"
I already laid it out for you.
Doubling down on me is an odd choice though. Why wouldn't you push Vaimes since GJ was so gung-ho for him? Probably for the WIFOM, but meh, whatev.
There is no need for a "case"
I already laid it out for you.
Doubling down on me is an odd choice though. Why wouldn't you push Vaimes since GJ was so gung-ho for him? Probably for the WIFOM, but meh, whatev.
laid out what case?
and does the case include me pushing us into an autowin situation because i think you probably missed that tiny detail
I was coming in to say I thought Nacho was scum. But now that he votes outside of his little "plan to win the game" scenarios, I am DEFINITELY voting him.
I don't get your sudden change.
Vote: Nacho
both of the assumptions you laid out in this case were wrong, so i sure hope you're not referring to this one!!
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i see you trying to be all dramatic and ***** and bag me as the last mafia, to which i say, not today satan
he knew the scumteam, they knew he existed but not his identity. and if they shot him, he'd survive and join the scum QT
sadly, the Traitor was a moron and softed the identities of the entire scumteam, which was hilarious, and town won
The GJ way path to no lynching:
'you are doing very little to persuade me otherwise' blah blah blah
well no *****, you think i'm scum and you want to kill me
read over my Sir Chris conversation again and tell me you think i faked it
otherwise, i don't really care
i can't convince you if you keep squinting and trying to read between the lines when there's nothing there besides towniness and friendship
i'm just having fun with you
I'm hard pressed to believe that Vaimes, as scum, would try to use this line of defense, when NotVoxx tried to use it and we completely ignored it.
I really do not believe that Vaimes is scum, period.
i mean like i said, Day 1 is super easy to fake being town, and NotVoxx is eerily good at sounding casual and like he's actually uninformed
I would suggest you start caring. Unvote: Vaimes, just to prevent yesterday from happening again.
I'll give you something you can interact with, if you really want to convince me, but don't think it will happen directly with me: What do you think of Hunt's interaction with Chris day 1 both in a vacuum and compared to yours?
Your defense of a traitor was that it is how it usually works, however according to the wiki:
It is very possible that the scum knew Jobie, or that they didn't know he existed. Your tone implied that the mafia didn't know, and you said it with more confidance than I could imagine a townie saying it, unless it was pure bravado (which I hate).
We are not out of the woods yet, and there is still a slight margin for error. It doesn't strike me a joking time right now, and if you can't see why you are getting PoEed out, I don't know what to tell you. I can/will look back at dead posts (I mostly skimmed), but even when the town first started going after NAcho, I was baffled.
@Cyan: You also said I had the scummiest post of the day. Forgive me if I take that statement with a grain of salt. Notvox from what I remember also had a set of abilities that would be insane for a single townie to have, and was another one of many investigative roles.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I gave a roleblock invention to Cyan last night which means that we're still in an auto-win situation. If Cyan not getting the roleblock invention was a mistake, then we lynch one of huntzilla/vaimes while Cyan roleblocks me and then lynch the other next day. If it wasn't, then lynch me so you know the last scum is lying about being Vanilla, then Huntzilla is confirmed town and you can power lynch Vaimes after he kills GJ.
I don't believe that the last scum has to be something stronger than Vanilla; I believe that 5 scum + SK + Vig in a 21 player game can be pretty ******* brutal to town as demonstrated by us killing at least 1 scum every Day/Night cycle and reviver getting both shots off AND scum failing kill twice and us still being in a position that wouldn't be that great if certain things didn't happen the way they did.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
this is all stuff that already exists, i'll point you to the posts in a sec
i think both of those options for Traitors sounds weird/dumb. an underpowered scumteam with a Traitor, and they don't know a Traitor exists? please. they could have known it was Jobie, but eh
this is a game and I'll joke if i want to, though i won't do anything that harms the game like going against my wincon or anything like that
i'm going to laugh if we're in a situation where the last scum is like, untargetable and can kill despite being roleblocked. i remember reading a Voxx vs. Seppel game where that happened
Let me get this straight:
You think that I was so desperate to get Jobie as a mislynch that I faked a guilty on him and planned to talk my way out of it? OR that Jobie and I have been communicating since N1 and the best coordination we could come up with was me bussing the crap out of him as opposed to me claiming I only had two protective shields and stuffing Jobie's face with the rest of my inventions? And if we had communication then I decided NOT to let him roleblock you and shoot at you anyways?
I have a one-shot ability to make an invention a dud; I will also be told when they try to use it and who they tried to use it on. I was informed of Jobie trying to use the fake roleblock on Cyan.
and i guess you can stop at post 2125
Can you do that again without the pronouns?
I don't mean to be rude, I just don't understand what you are trying to say.
@Vaimes: I'll start when I get home.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
all that's left is me, you, and Huntzilla. and you could argue for Cyan, since he's technically unconfirmed, but i'm more or less discarding that world entirely since the game will be over before it could ever possibly be resolved
so like. i'm town, so i won't lynch myself. Huntzilla is confirmed vanilla and had that AtE thing. so, you are my corpse of choice toDay
also which post were you referring to, for clarification, as there are three of them
I thought Vaimes was scum at the beginning of the day.
I disliked Vaimes's turnaround on me because it sucked.
I thought Vaimes's point that Vaimes's interactions with Chris was what made him town sucked.
I don't mind his posting today at all; in particular, the joking with you doesn't seem like Vaimes!scum, especially based on what I've heard about his scumgame.
I GAVE CYAN A ROLEBLOCK INVENTION LAST NIGHT. IF TAR CONFIRMS THERE WASN'T A MISTAKE, THEN LAST SCUM IS CONFIRMED NOT-VANILLA WHICH CONFIRMS HUNT AS TOWN, WHICH MEANS WE WIN. IF THERE WAS A MISTAKE, THEN CYAN HAS A ROLEBLOCK INVENTION AND WE WIN.
there was a mistake > Cyan doesn't (?) have a Roleblock invention > town wins
???
i'm still lost
There wasn't a mistake > Cyan has a roleblock invention > we lynch a suspect, block Hunt/Me during the night. Scum can't no kill to frame a townie because no killing would put the game at 5 alive (and thus we could lynch through both of them anyways). Lynch last scum for the win.
There was a mistake > Last scum isn't Vanilla (it is either me or someone who ****ed with my invention) > Hunt is confirmed town > lynch me/you, win.
then i guess we wait for the mod then
did you read my earlier posts about the whole we win automatically thing?
or...?
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
huh?
I was coming in to say I thought Nacho was scum. But now that he votes outside of his little "plan to win the game" scenarios, I am DEFINITELY voting him.
I don't get your sudden change.
Vote: Nacho
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You sure know how to make a man feel good about his vote, don't you?
Either you believe that Vaimes, Nacho, or myself is the last scum.
You confirmed me as vanilla.
Vaimes claims vanilla as well, and that he is staunchly town.
Nacho came up with two scenarios, and then chooses to vote me afterward. Which I don't see how it fits the two scenarios, but that could just be me.
Plow and you are mod confirmed town.
I suppose in some unknown universe Cyan could be scum, but I highly doubt it.
I believe that the last scum needs to have some power.
Ergo, Nacho is the last scum. If he flips town somehow, than we lynch Vaimes for being a naughty liar. I don't really see how we can lose...
What am I missing GJ?
that's the piece of the puzzle you're missing, but i like that you're posting please continue and also vote vaimes
Even if I die today then tomorrow you get strung up. I don't particularly care either way this time. Game is on auto win...
But seriously, why the sudden change from "Hunt's confirmed town" to voting?
game IS on auto-win.
because i put us there.
scum!nacho would have come into this Day with the tiniest tiniest tiniest chance of winning if he got both you and vaimes lynched. but instead of trying to get you lynched, he gives cyan a way to resolve an extra suspect and erases that final chance of him winning because ??????
There was in the vote count, how do you there was anywhere else?
how do you know
You are the last scum Nacho.
Die
Vote: Vaimes
Well, not quite.
I am trying to point out that giving Cyan a roleblock means that I would have 100% erased my chances of winning as scum, which implies pretty strongly (in my opinion) that I am town.
I am being a little obnoxious about this, fair, but that's because I'm happy and proud of myself with this game and enjoy the feeling of talking ***** to scum who can no longer win the game. My intent was never to provoke you.
I already laid it out for you.
Doubling down on me is an odd choice though. Why wouldn't you push Vaimes since GJ was so gung-ho for him? Probably for the WIFOM, but meh, whatev.
laid out what case?
and does the case include me pushing us into an autowin situation because i think you probably missed that tiny detail
both of the assumptions you laid out in this case were wrong, so i sure hope you're not referring to this one!!