I currently think SirChris is town. The good news is he looks so town because hee's great at killing scum via bussing or finding so I'm ok with this initial assumption.
...Did you not say this quote?
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Alright Tordeck. I'm going to look over Classic Mafia, reluctantly, because a game that you replace into is not the same as a game that you start off fresh. But I'll do it. Just for you. Even though Chris's behavior this game is much closer to Predator, IMO, than the Invitational or Avant Garde(which were very close to each other, in my opinion).
Oh my god, he's going with his gut. For reasons none of you understand I am laughing my ass off right now. If Hawk is scum I am so snowed.
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I have given this some more thought and I have decided I am being TOO MERCIFUL with Iso. It's a weakness of mine, my first sweep is often too kind to people so I'll usually town read a scum, so no mercy anymore tbqh.
Problem one with Iso: Dude just saw me murder a game as scum, slice his throat night 1, and drop his corpse like it was plagued and then butcher a town. No other way to describe it. I just butchered a game as scum... and he's talking to us about a Tom. Who the **** is Tom compared to a scum Chris? Even in his imagined world where Tom is super duper master assassin and I am a goon you don't go tom first. Tom's a nothing. A nobody. Unimportant. I have proven over multiple games my scum game is a thriller and it makes me a killer, and this guy goes after Tom first? 0/100 Townies who know my scum history do this.
Given that people not named Iso are apparently incapable of catching you when you're scum, I figure if the buddy you chainsawed for dies first, it'll be a lot easier to get some momentum against you. And tom is much easier to lynch than you are, speaking from observations and experience. Do you disagree?
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Problem # 2: he has no actual interest in going toe to toe with me. I have had to drag him to discuss me in any meaningful way which is so far out of town Iso's meta it might as well be on mars. I had to beg him to respond to him once and when I continue to counterpoint him... he seems rather disinterested. Read his reply to me when he did respond: over half his big paragraph is a random tangent has nothing to do with me! He just rambles on and on. He has no sharpness to his points against me.
This is a blatant lie. You gave me nothing that could reasonably be responded to. Your rebuttal was "self meta also no u" and I called you out on it and your fantastic justification was "nuh uh!"
I'm not sure what sort of involving dialogue you hope to engage me in when the entirety of your defense is "no only I can self-meta!", "no u", and "ur rong". Please, enlighten me.
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Problem # 3: He can't even keep his scum read of me self-consistent when he isn't directly discussing it.
First off, let's look at his Cyan blurb:
Cyan: He's infuriatingly wrong on Tordeck, tom, and myself, but this isn't scumCyan by a long shot. scumCyan is highly manipulative and careful, traits I suppose my own scum game parallel. I was almost disappointed that I wasn't scum in this game - mostly because I wanted to be scum with Cyan just once - but then I read my role and was quite pleased with it, so, this works, too.
Notice any of your reads missing, Cyan? DO YOU NOTICE ANY OF YOUR READS MISSING THAT HE MIGHT OBJECT TO BUT TOTALLY FORGETS.
This is blatant word-twisting. Cyan is infuriatingly wrong on Tordeck, tom, and myself, sure - but I think he's understandably wrong about you. Cyan's biggest problem with metaing people (HEY CYAN ARE YOU READING THIS?) is that he only looks at behavior. He doesn't look at the mindset or intent behind the behavior. He views it all in a vacuum. And the worst part is that he doesn't even explain why it's creating his read! It's just, "Well, I've played with them before when they were this alignment, so I think I would know." But this has nothing to do with you - this is more a gripe with Cyan's approach to meta reads.
Then, I was going to talk about the mindset behind your posts, but you just gave me a beautiful present:
Okay so TS seems to have been doing good scum hunting on his own, good job.
This is the only scumtell I have seen work 100% of the time.
Whenever a player uses "they have been playing well" or "they have been scumhunting well" as a form of justification in part or in whole to make an assertion about somebody's alignment, that player is scum.
@NotVoxx - I would look at Iso's talking points about me throughout the game, how he has interacted with me, and ask yourself 'does this seem like a member of town who is interested in figuring this player out? Does Iso actually seem interested in Chris?"
I think the answer is clearly no. He says stuff about me but I don't appear to be on his mind a lot.
Additionally, I think that this is inconsistent with your stance on my play. It's totally outrageous when Iso doesn't engage one of his scum reads, right? But when NotVoxx says that the basis of his play is to pointedly not engage his scum reads, but rather, to talk around them, Chris doesn't bat an eye.
Cyan. Please. PLEASEpleasepleasepleaseplease. Shoot Chris right now. I have him dead to rights with the "playing well" scumtell. I'm like 98% sure that Rhand used this one in XKCD. Please just kill him so that the town does not suffer another loss at the hands of "SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ISO AND KILLED CHRIS".
And by "your heart" I mean "Iso", but for my purpose, we can pretend that there is functionally no difference, here.
You want me dead but can't seem to dredge the support for it, right?
If Chris flips town, then this is all you need to bury me.
But if Chris flips scum - and believe me, he will - we are lynching tom toDay.
Do this for me, Cyan. Just this once. Don't make the same mistake two games in a row.
Also not to be that guy but Hathor was dead by the time this game's episodes aired so... it's strange she'd be in to start <_<.
Interestingly enough, so's Ra, and I'm pretty sure that's what Seppel is claiming. Funny how you failed to mention that at the time of his claim, though! What are the odds of that?
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Okay, the other game is over I assume we can have a calm discussion about why I am town/scum now!
Oh did you finally win?
Now I can talk. ******* finally. I caught scum Chris after one post in that game. One. One ******* Post. Granted, eventually I got distracted by Iso's stupid mass claim that made it seem like Iso had to be scum because the town had a Bodyguard, Vig, Cop(me) and Iso(Redirector), and Chris was able to level his play out and I never looked back and just let him play the 'wah I ****ed up woe is me card' and then play nice with me and coast his way to victory. but the point stands that I realized instantly in the Invitational that Chris was scum. And his behavior in this game already has been literally NOTHING like it was in that game. Holy ***** it literally could not be more different. He has been snarky and hostile and mistrustful and just radically different. And there was no reason for him to act any differently. Just look at how Chris himself reacted earlier to me declaring him town. If he were scum, he would not even bother, he would just take it in stride. I guarantee it. He is town in this game. I would bet my life on it.
Man I am glad to finally be able to get this off of my chest.
This is oddly reassuring. Iso what are your thoughts on this since you view chris as scum?
If it wasn't clear, I addressed my thoughts on this above RE: Cyan's take on metagaming.
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Iso you're good at finding scum, but how is "this person is town for good scumhunting" a scumtell? Good scumhunting means someone is likely town, and... what, calling them town is bad?
Confession: listening to listen to your heart during this post.
Given that people not named Iso are apparently incapable of catching you when you're scum, I figure if the buddy you chainsawed for dies first, it'll be a lot easier to get some momentum against you. And tom is much easier to lynch than you are, speaking from observations and experience. Do you disagree?
You're right, I am so known for chainsawing buddies I can understand why your natural conclusion would be to assume that is what I am doing. Also Tom is unlynched as town at 1-0, struck down cowardly by a neutral. Who knows the depths of his heart!? But yes considering I have yet to be lynched on this site, it's a fair point. But should you be worried about lynch viability as town? It's an awfully scummy thing to be thinking about. By the way, what I am actually doing is fighting against you from the start so you never have a base like you did in the invitational where you screwed town over with your ego. Just for the record. That you appear to be scum from my efforts is a very welcome bonus.
This is a blatant lie. You gave me nothing that could reasonably be responded to. Your rebuttal was "self meta also no u" and I called you out on it and your fantastic justification was "nuh uh!"
I'm not sure what sort of involving dialogue you hope to engage me in when the entirety of your defense is "no only I can self-meta!", "no u", and "ur rong". Please, enlighten me.
You made the accusation that I am shallowly calling people town and scum, and so I asked you to provide examples of this behavior. You still have not done so, days later. I requested it only about three times. I can understand when my defense has been as good as it has been why you would feel the need to reduce it to bad English and a blatant misrep though. Perhaps you had forgotten just who the **** you were dealing with, or perhaps you thought I was due for a soft game. Your error, not mine.
Additionally, I think that this is inconsistent with your stance on my play. It's totally outrageous when Iso doesn't engage one of his scum reads, right? But when NotVoxx says that the basis of his play is to pointedly not engage his scum reads, but rather, to talk around them, Chris doesn't bat an eye.
I'm wrecking your team, Chris.
I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this Iso but "b-but this guy is doing the same thing!" is quite the sad and obviously scum defense of one's self. Not everyone is the same, I don't hold everyone to the same standard, and I don't give a flying **** about NotVoxx at present. I'll write him down after you are dead if it makes you feel better. Seriously trying to throw others in your path is like... so scummy it almost hurts. "See guys, he did it too! and Chris doesn't care about him! I'm not scum!' give me a break Iso. That's just weak.
Oh man you're so right Iso. I never mentioned anything Seppel related...oh ... I am sick to my stomach...I'm going ...to...throw up....a quote!?
Oh, wait, I am dumb. I thought Seppel was claiming Ra because he is a sun god, and thus just kidding about being neutral, but he is literally claiming Amaterasu who actually makes sense as a neutral now that I think about it. Also Ra is super dead in this timeline, oops.
By the way Cyan are....you telling me to hop onto the Iso wagon???
Three days ago, get out of my face.
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Iso you're good at finding scum, but how is "this person is town for good scumhunting" a scumtell? Good scumhunting means someone is likely town, and... what, calling them town is bad?
No. The point is that you don't know it's good scumhunting because not only do you not know they're town, you also don't know that they can be scumhunting well unless you know who the scum are. TappingStones hasn't made any waves, and pretty much no one is engaging him. The fact that Chris allegedly believes TS is scumhunting well means that he decided TS was town before seeing TS obtain any results - and then how can he know TS is scumhunting well? - meaning that in order to justify this read, Chris is making assumptions he can not reasonably be making. It's a slip. I have had a 100% consistency rate in use of this tell. Necarg said it in True Name, Rhand said it in XKCD, and when I was newbscum, I used it, myself. I also believe KA used it in his last scumgame with me in it. Maybe Cyberpunk? It's been a while.
Given that people not named Iso are apparently incapable of catching you when you're scum, I figure if the buddy you chainsawed for dies first, it'll be a lot easier to get some momentum against you. And tom is much easier to lynch than you are, speaking from observations and experience. Do you disagree?
You're right, I am so known for chainsawing buddies I can understand why your natural conclusion would be to assume that is what I am doing. Also Tom is unlynched as town at 1-0, struck down cowardly by a neutral. Who knows the depths of his heart!? But yes considering I have yet to be lynched on this site, it's a fair point. But should you be worried about lynch viability as town? It's an awfully scummy thing to be thinking about. By the way, what I am actually doing is fighting against you from the start so you never have a base like you did in the invitational where you screwed town over with your ego. Just for the record. That you appear to be scum from my efforts is a very welcome bonus.
Eh, I like to shake things up - sometimes, I go for the scumbuddy I know I can get lynched, and other times, I go for the big cheese. "Cutting off the head of the snake" is how I like to put the latter. But much like criminal organizations operate in real life, there are informants for the "policing force" of whatever district or precinct you are a resident of. This includes Mafia; behavior incriminates your buddies. Unless people accept the tell I discussed above, then I'm going to have a hell of a time burying you without some incriminating interactions. I don't think this is a weakness in my town game so much as it is a strength of your scum game.
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This is a blatant lie. You gave me nothing that could reasonably be responded to. Your rebuttal was "self meta also no u" and I called you out on it and your fantastic justification was "nuh uh!"
I'm not sure what sort of involving dialogue you hope to engage me in when the entirety of your defense is "no only I can self-meta!", "no u", and "ur rong". Please, enlighten me.
You made the accusation that I am shallowly calling people town and scum, and so I asked you to provide examples of this behavior. You still have not done so, days later. I requested it only about three times. I can understand when my defense has been as good as it has been why you would feel the need to reduce it to bad English and a blatant misrep though. Perhaps you had forgotten just who the **** you were dealing with, or perhaps you thought I was due for a soft game. Your error, not mine.
No, it's just that quotewall wars are not only a great way to get ignored in Mafia, but they're literally my least favorite thing to do in Mafia these days after repeating myself. They're time-consuming and exhausting, both mentally and emotionally, and I'm actually trying to enjoy this game, because it's going to be my last game for a while.
I'd say there's a very good chance that I'm going to die toDay if I don't get a scum flip out of you or tom, first. As scum, I'm very survivalist. At this point, I would be writing quotewall novels to get people's eyes to glaze over, because, hey, apparently effort means you're town in this meta - and there's a lot that people would skim what I have to say, see that I'm doing something, and move on.
But that's clearly not the case, here. I'm trying to present my arguments about everyone as succinctly as possible (and while I'll admit that my defenses have been rather verbose, that's more on you/Cyan for giving me so much to respond to) so that people listen to me and not to numb their minds. If I were scum, bet your ass I'd have already engaged you in hard sparring.
Truth be told, though, I just need Cyan to shoot you to save me the effort.
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Additionally, I think that this is inconsistent with your stance on my play. It's totally outrageous when Iso doesn't engage one of his scum reads, right? But when NotVoxx says that the basis of his play is to pointedly not engage his scum reads, but rather, to talk around them, Chris doesn't bat an eye.
I'm wrecking your team, Chris.
I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this Iso but "b-but this guy is doing the same thing!" is quite the sad and obviously scum defense of one's self. Not everyone is the same, I don't hold everyone to the same standard, and I don't give a flying **** about NotVoxx at present. I'll write him down after you are dead if it makes you feel better. Seriously trying to throw others in your path is like... so scummy it almost hurts. "See guys, he did it too! and Chris doesn't care about him! I'm not scum!' give me a break Iso. That's just weak.
Another blatant misrepresentation of the point I was trying to make. This is an attack on you, not a defense of myself. You are using Argument A to call Player A scum, but when Argument A also applies to Player B, you are conveniently ignoring the connotations. What I'm arguing is not that this doesn't make me scum - what I'm arguing is that it makes you scum with Player B (that being NotVoxx).
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Oh man you're so right Iso. I never mentioned anything Seppel related...oh ... I am sick to my stomach...I'm going ...to...throw up....a quote!?
Oh, wait, I am dumb. I thought Seppel was claiming Ra because he is a sun god, and thus just kidding about being neutral, but he is literally claiming Amaterasu who actually makes sense as a neutral now that I think about it. Also Ra is super dead in this timeline, oops.
By the way Cyan are....you telling me to hop onto the Iso wagon???
Three days ago, get out of my face.
I mean, there's a simple way to settle this.
Would anyone like to claim to be Ra at this point?
Also...why are you hunting Neutrals? You try to justify Seppel's Neutral claim here, and then you try to paint Cyan as the SK to see who jumps on, or at least plant that seed of doubt in everyone.
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Tell you what, Chris. I'm tired, but I'm feeling cheeky. Currently, my weekend plans are a little undefined. On one hand, I might be going to Pennsylvania. On the other hand, it's very likely that these plans will fall through, given the unreliability of the person I have made them with in the past.
If I don't go to Pennsylvania, I will set aside some time to directly engage you on every issue you've challenged me on at some point this weekend. I have some other stuff I need to get to (such as learning some stuff for work and reviewing 4 Mafia setups) but you'll get your war.
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Given that people not named Iso are apparently incapable of catching you when you're scum
Hey get ****ed, I figured out that Chris was scum in the Invitational, and the rest of you ruined it. And then I decided to be dumb and just never look back and re-evaluate for some inexplicable reason that I'll never let myself forget. But this is a big sticking point for me. You were just in a game where Chris was scum. You literally just experienced his scum play, which couldn't be different than it has been thus far this game, and we got annihilated by it. But then we come into this game, and you decide he is scum even though his gameplay is completely different and then you..try to lynch silly Tom instead. This just doesn't track buddy.
And speaking of Chris and his tendencies, when have you EVER known him to 'chainsaw for a buddy'. Why would he start doing that now, out of nowhere, in this game? He didn't do it in Wu Tang(he obliterated KA? in that game). He didn't do it in Avant Garde(He destroyed Ika). He didn't do it in the Invitational(with WG). Maybe he is just exceptionally aware of people figuring out his meta, before anyone even starts talking about it!, but as far as I can tell, when Chris senses weakness in a scumbuddy(and as much as Tom is a fun guy to be around, let's be real..he is a weak player), he demolishes them. If he was scum here with Tom, he would have been racing you out of the gate to find some excuse to lynch Tom. This is(or was, I imagine that he will try to change this now that we've had this public discussion about it) his MO as scum. Maybe you just haven't been in as many of his scum games as I have? I don't know. But I'm telling you from experience, mostly from being duped by him over and ******* over. I've learned from my mistakes, and I've learned how to recognize scum Chris. And this game is not scum Chris. Period.
And why are you offering yourself up here? Like let's be real, no one is actually going to say 'Oh Chris got vigged and flipped town, better lynch Iso now because he was wrong'. I hate meaningless sentiment and you know that. Come on man. Blah. I'm starting to think that you're both town and I'm going to have to end up playing mediator forever, which is not a role that I am good at, at least when it comes to mafia. This makes me unhappy. But this is really starting to feel like a Town on Town fight, which is something I should know about, considering that I've probably been involved in more of them than..literally anyone on the planet. :/
Interestingly enough, so's Ra, and I'm pretty sure that's what Seppel is claiming. Funny how you failed to mention that at the time of his claim, though! What are the odds of that? Rolleyes
I thought Seppel was standing by his Neutral Survivor claim(which is unfortunate for him). Also, I thought he claimed Amasteru or something(I don't remember exactly, whatever that horse picture was)?
first off: Iso it's winter, so the days are at their shortest.
No. The point is that you don't know it's good scumhunting because not only do you not know they're town, you also don't know that they can be scumhunting well unless you know who the scum are. TappingStones hasn't made any waves, and pretty much no one is engaging him. The fact that Chris allegedly believes TS is scumhunting well means that he decided TS was town before seeing TS obtain any results - and then how can he know TS is scumhunting well? - meaning that in order to justify this read, Chris is making assumptions he can not reasonably be making. It's a slip. I have had a 100% consistency rate in use of this tell. Necarg said it in True Name, Rhand said it in XKCD, and when I was newbscum, I used it, myself. I also believe KA used it in his last scumgame with me in it. Maybe Cyberpunk? It's been a while.
I thought hawk was scum (note: changed my mind, dude's adorable) and I don't assume bussing. That was a lot of sentences for an obvious 'I agreed with TS's read, so I thought it was good play' jesus, you're like stretch armstrong.
Eh, I like to shake things up - sometimes, I go for the scumbuddy I know I can get lynched, and other times, I go for the big cheese. "Cutting off the head of the snake" is how I like to put the latter. But much like criminal organizations operate in real life, there are informants for the "policing force" of whatever district or precinct you are a resident of. This includes Mafia; behavior incriminates your buddies. Unless people accept the tell I discussed above, then I'm going to have a hell of a time burying you without some incriminating interactions. I don't think this is a weakness in my town game so much as it is a strength of your scum game.
This is sound enough logic, and my scum game thanks you for the praise.
I've now asked you four times to provide my shallow scum and town reads this game, and yet you did not give it. You gave an eloquent reason why you do not wish to engage in quote walls, but you have not backed up your accusation, Iso.
Another blatant misrepresentation of the point I was trying to make. This is an attack on you, not a defense of myself. You are using Argument A to call Player A scum, but when Argument A also applies to Player B, you are conveniently ignoring the connotations. What I'm arguing is not that this doesn't make me scum - what I'm arguing is that it makes you scum with Player B (that being NotVoxx).
You're right, what you said wasn't meant to defend yourself in any way, silly me. You are asking for equivalence in mafia, which is pretty absurd to the point I know you don't believe that.
Also you are really going for the stretch record about the SK thing. I don't think jokingly discussing my own Ba'al role is going to have much of an impact, Iso. It's okay friend.
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Tell you what, Chris. I'm tired, but I'm feeling cheeky. Currently, my weekend plans are a little undefined. On one hand, I might be going to Pennsylvania. On the other hand, it's very likely that these plans will fall through, given the unreliability of the person I have made them with in the past.
If I don't go to Pennsylvania, I will set aside some time to directly engage you on every issue you've challenged me on at some point this weekend. I have some other stuff I need to get to (such as learning some stuff for work and reviewing 4 Mafia setups) but you'll get your war.
Does that sound enticing?
For you I am changing my avatar.
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Yeah this is a terrible idea, Seppels' days are already pretty numbered, given that he claimed Neutral Survivor.
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Sigh...this is so specific.Unvote for the time being
I'm pretty willing to accept that you're town for nownow, but I'm fully convinced that Chris is town. And you both know that I am town, so you both need to go sit in the corner and cool off and help me figure out who is ACTUALLY scum. And no, it isn't ******* Tom. And no, it isn't Nacho either. Seriously Iso, where is your head at in this game? Like seriously, you are ASCETIC PLUS. This is like a once in a lifetime overpowered role, and I am still having a bit of a hard time accepting that it is town. It's easier to believe that you're some kind of scum neutral frankly, but I can't believe that you're just on the all-in gambit if that is the case here. Anyway, you just botched a whole game as town by running out your claim and forcing a mass-claim and what do you do? Come into this game and immediately breadcrumb your role, ensuring that..no townie ever actually targets you. :/ Get it together.
Part of the problem is that *literally* half of the playerbase is V/LA, and it's fully possible that most/all of the scum could be among them, so we're just sitting around jerking off while all of the scum are just..not here. I honestly kind of wish Taredas would just suspend the game/lock the thread until 12/26 or something. Situations like this just give the scum an inherent advantage, because they don't have to do anything, and the town are not going to lynch a lurker, because that is just completely shooting in the dark.
@Cyan: I told you, it's not the behavior - it's the intent and mindset behind it. Please stop selectively reading my posts.
As for the "why offer myself up", I told you - if I'm so horribly off in this game that all of my scumreads are bad, not only do I probably deserve to die for being so boisterous about all of this, my being off is also going to be severely detrimental to my productivity and morale in this game. But we won't know until we get a flip from one of them, and I'm going to be doing my damndest all game to get them lynched unless I'm given reason to believe they're town - and so far, that hasn't been the case.
This might be our last game together, Cyan. Just validate me this one time, please.
@Chris: If you want my examples of your mindless reads (such as the one where you write TS off as town for "scumhunting well", which is just a scum excuse to write off having to justify a read), I told you, you're gonna have to wait for the weekend.
Also, obviously it's not a stretch, because of how many times it's worked for me, and now you're using it and you're scum.
I'm not asking you for equivalence. I'm telling you that you're looking at two dogs and calling one of them a cat. That's either willful ignorance at best or downright dishonesty with scummy intent at worst, and it's just one more thing that makes you scum.
Also, I have no idea who your avatar is supposed to be, but I can be anime avatar, too. Switching nao
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Meh. I suppose there could be some scum among the lurkers. I'm sure a re-evaluation wouldn't hurt once everyone posts some content, but in the meantime, I'm content to batter my Mafia dick against Chris's.
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I didn't realize thinking someone had caught scum was a shallow reason to think them town. You are so mad I called TS town though, aren't you? It is firmly in the domain of scum to want to discredit town reads like this, and so since Iso is scum it means TS is for sure not. Good job TS get your gold star now.
Anyway you are asking for equivalence. You think because I think player a doing something is bad then player b should be held to the same standard. I am saying that's never going to be the case with me and is clearly you trying to divert attention away from you.
Also I remember her death being...pretty obvious but there is no youtube video for me to refresh my memory on the subject, damn you youtube. But uh Cyan you may want to not, you know, ******* FLAVOR meta of all things this game. Like what the hell? Flavor meta never leads good players.
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and y'know what? I didn't use scum reasons to do so
And for the last ******* time, I don't give a **** that your attention is on me. It has nothing to do with "look somewhere else". It has nothing to do with "I'm town". It has everything to do with "Chris is scum, and the dissonance in his worldview between his read on NotVoxx and myself is a result of them being scumbuddies."
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You are changing the ******* subject. Instead of going 'Okay, here's why I did this as town' you go 'this guy did this as scum.' See, the problem dearest Iso, sweet summer child who knows nothing of the harshness of winter, is you kind of ****ed up.
You. ARE LITERALLY. Comparing yourself to the actions of a scum read of yourself.
I have turned you around so hard your observation is "I'm doing the same thing this scummy guy is doing!"
I already said I'll look into him after you are dead. I personally think I am being downright thoughtful.
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As for the "why offer myself up", I told you - if I'm so horribly off in this game that all of my scumreads are bad, not only do I probably deserve to die for being so boisterous about all of this, my being off is also going to be severely detrimental to my productivity and morale in this game. But we won't know until we get a flip from one of them, and I'm going to be doing my damndest all game to get them lynched unless I'm given reason to believe they're town - and so far, that hasn't been the case.
If I believe you are town, I'm not willing to give up such a valuable town role. Maybe you're just playing me for a fool, but if so I'll figure that out later. For now, please just stop with the melodrama.
You are changing the ******* subject. Instead of going 'Okay, here's why I did this as town' you go 'this guy did this as scum.' See, the problem dearest Iso, sweet summer child who knows nothing of the harshness of winter, is you kind of ****ed up.
You. ARE LITERALLY. Comparing yourself to the actions of a scum read of yourself.
I have turned you around so hard your observation is "I'm doing the same thing this scummy guy is doing!"
I already said I'll look into him after you are dead. I personally think I am being downright thoughtful.
You are the one changing the subject. The subject is, "Chris is approaching this situation in a way that makes him scum." I never once said that my scum read on NotVoxx was because of his approach to theory - you are the one saying that I'm saying that, and twisting what this is about into that. You're the one saying I'M scum for doing what NotVoxx is doing while paying 0 heed to NotVoxx in the process. So please, continue talking out of your ass, as I would love to be the first one to lynch you on MTGS.
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Oh are we changing Avatars? I lost my Godzilla Train though.
I still don't know how you could possibly have had a scum read on NotVoxx honestly, he seems like a super-townie.
So please, continue talking out of your ass, as I would love to be the first one to lynch you on MTGS.
Also this sounds poor on your part. Come on man. Please just take a step back here. Eventually you're just going to rally everyone against you.
You're right.
Sorry for the hostility Chris, but you are twisting my words and repeating myself is one of my biggest peeves.
I think I'm going to not open this thread again until Saturday (presuming I'm not in Pennsylvania, of course, and then it'll more likely be Sunday night).
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It's no worries, as long as you avoid directly insulting me I don't tend to notice.
@ rest of game - Do you think I am twisting Iso's words in this manner?
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and y'know what? I didn't use scum reasons to do so
And for the last ******* time, I don't give a **** that your attention is on me. It has nothing to do with "look somewhere else". It has nothing to do with "I'm town". It has everything to do with "Chris is scum, and the dissonance in his worldview between his read on NotVoxx and myself is a result of them being scumbuddies."
Period. *******. End.
Every game I play in ends up having players argue about who called me town first or who thought I was towniest. Is it a good thing that people try to defend themselves by saying these sorts of things.
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@iso dammit is that the best you can do for a chris case? I'm itching to join you but you're somehow managing to make him look townier.
Your case is so bad I agree with Seppel's comment about it. Seppel! See what you're doing to me?
Just stop. Both of you.
Cyan might be right and they're both town. I hope they ignore each other long enough to lead us to victory. Seems unlikely.
When did both of you turn into me?
Speaking of tunneling someone...
Hawk is... looking better. But it's hard to look MORE scummy than he was. I choose to believe he just saw how awful he was playing and buckled down. Nice job avoiding my extremely clever trap.
@cyan you said hawk will undoubtedly show us that hes scum if he is. But didn't he already do that? Like super obviously? What are you looking for? I still think he just straight up slipped and I'm not sure I could be convinced otherwise.
Tapping isn't any different this game. He's been tappingstones as ****. Which sounds like something I would say about Seppel, but isn't in any way similar. I think you all know what I mean. I'm glad he finally has a power role
Oh I think someone asked me about my vaimes read (cyan maybe)
My answer is "page 2"
that dude is town as ****. Townier than iso and cyan combined.
Vaimes is so town the only way he's scum is if he didn't read his role pm and just started posting
I probably missed some stuff worth replying to. But I'm union today, so I have to go smoke cigarettes with the Russian dancers and pretend I'm not WAY overpaid
I don't know Tom. At first I thought Vaimes was town too, but when you look at his posts collectively(which is what a Cyanity Check means, by the way..because it's the only way people ever catch me as scum...), they don't really add up to a pro-town picture.
...Did you not say this quote?
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@hawk do you still think iso is scum?
Given that people not named Iso are apparently incapable of catching you when you're scum, I figure if the buddy you chainsawed for dies first, it'll be a lot easier to get some momentum against you. And tom is much easier to lynch than you are, speaking from observations and experience. Do you disagree?
This is a blatant lie. You gave me nothing that could reasonably be responded to. Your rebuttal was "self meta also no u" and I called you out on it and your fantastic justification was "nuh uh!"
I'm not sure what sort of involving dialogue you hope to engage me in when the entirety of your defense is "no only I can self-meta!", "no u", and "ur rong". Please, enlighten me.
This is blatant word-twisting. Cyan is infuriatingly wrong on Tordeck, tom, and myself, sure - but I think he's understandably wrong about you. Cyan's biggest problem with metaing people (HEY CYAN ARE YOU READING THIS?) is that he only looks at behavior. He doesn't look at the mindset or intent behind the behavior. He views it all in a vacuum. And the worst part is that he doesn't even explain why it's creating his read! It's just, "Well, I've played with them before when they were this alignment, so I think I would know." But this has nothing to do with you - this is more a gripe with Cyan's approach to meta reads.
Then, I was going to talk about the mindset behind your posts, but you just gave me a beautiful present:
This is the only scumtell I have seen work 100% of the time.
Whenever a player uses "they have been playing well" or "they have been scumhunting well" as a form of justification in part or in whole to make an assertion about somebody's alignment, that player is scum.
I have seen this countless times.
Chris is scum.
******* sheep me.
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Additionally, I think that this is inconsistent with your stance on my play. It's totally outrageous when Iso doesn't engage one of his scum reads, right? But when NotVoxx says that the basis of his play is to pointedly not engage his scum reads, but rather, to talk around them, Chris doesn't bat an eye.
I'm wrecking your team, Chris.
Cyan. Please. PLEASEpleasepleasepleaseplease. Shoot Chris right now. I have him dead to rights with the "playing well" scumtell. I'm like 98% sure that Rhand used this one in XKCD. Please just kill him so that the town does not suffer another loss at the hands of "SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ISO AND KILLED CHRIS".
And by "your heart" I mean "Iso", but for my purpose, we can pretend that there is functionally no difference, here.
You want me dead but can't seem to dredge the support for it, right?
If Chris flips town, then this is all you need to bury me.
But if Chris flips scum - and believe me, he will - we are lynching tom toDay.
Do this for me, Cyan. Just this once. Don't make the same mistake two games in a row.
Interestingly enough, so's Ra, and I'm pretty sure that's what Seppel is claiming. Funny how you failed to mention that at the time of his claim, though! What are the odds of that?
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If it wasn't clear, I addressed my thoughts on this above RE: Cyan's take on metagaming.
Quick, sheep me!
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You're right, I am so known for chainsawing buddies I can understand why your natural conclusion would be to assume that is what I am doing. Also Tom is unlynched as town at 1-0, struck down cowardly by a neutral. Who knows the depths of his heart!? But yes considering I have yet to be lynched on this site, it's a fair point. But should you be worried about lynch viability as town? It's an awfully scummy thing to be thinking about. By the way, what I am actually doing is fighting against you from the start so you never have a base like you did in the invitational where you screwed town over with your ego. Just for the record. That you appear to be scum from my efforts is a very welcome bonus.
You made the accusation that I am shallowly calling people town and scum, and so I asked you to provide examples of this behavior. You still have not done so, days later. I requested it only about three times. I can understand when my defense has been as good as it has been why you would feel the need to reduce it to bad English and a blatant misrep though. Perhaps you had forgotten just who the **** you were dealing with, or perhaps you thought I was due for a soft game. Your error, not mine.
I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this Iso but "b-but this guy is doing the same thing!" is quite the sad and obviously scum defense of one's self. Not everyone is the same, I don't hold everyone to the same standard, and I don't give a flying **** about NotVoxx at present. I'll write him down after you are dead if it makes you feel better. Seriously trying to throw others in your path is like... so scummy it almost hurts. "See guys, he did it too! and Chris doesn't care about him! I'm not scum!' give me a break Iso. That's just weak.
Oh man you're so right Iso. I never mentioned anything Seppel related...oh ... I am sick to my stomach...I'm going ...to...throw up....a quote!?
Three days ago, get out of my face.
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No. The point is that you don't know it's good scumhunting because not only do you not know they're town, you also don't know that they can be scumhunting well unless you know who the scum are. TappingStones hasn't made any waves, and pretty much no one is engaging him. The fact that Chris allegedly believes TS is scumhunting well means that he decided TS was town before seeing TS obtain any results - and then how can he know TS is scumhunting well? - meaning that in order to justify this read, Chris is making assumptions he can not reasonably be making. It's a slip. I have had a 100% consistency rate in use of this tell. Necarg said it in True Name, Rhand said it in XKCD, and when I was newbscum, I used it, myself. I also believe KA used it in his last scumgame with me in it. Maybe Cyberpunk? It's been a while.
Eh, I like to shake things up - sometimes, I go for the scumbuddy I know I can get lynched, and other times, I go for the big cheese. "Cutting off the head of the snake" is how I like to put the latter. But much like criminal organizations operate in real life, there are informants for the "policing force" of whatever district or precinct you are a resident of. This includes Mafia; behavior incriminates your buddies. Unless people accept the tell I discussed above, then I'm going to have a hell of a time burying you without some incriminating interactions. I don't think this is a weakness in my town game so much as it is a strength of your scum game.
No, it's just that quotewall wars are not only a great way to get ignored in Mafia, but they're literally my least favorite thing to do in Mafia these days after repeating myself. They're time-consuming and exhausting, both mentally and emotionally, and I'm actually trying to enjoy this game, because it's going to be my last game for a while.
I'd say there's a very good chance that I'm going to die toDay if I don't get a scum flip out of you or tom, first. As scum, I'm very survivalist. At this point, I would be writing quotewall novels to get people's eyes to glaze over, because, hey, apparently effort means you're town in this meta - and there's a lot that people would skim what I have to say, see that I'm doing something, and move on.
But that's clearly not the case, here. I'm trying to present my arguments about everyone as succinctly as possible (and while I'll admit that my defenses have been rather verbose, that's more on you/Cyan for giving me so much to respond to) so that people listen to me and not to numb their minds. If I were scum, bet your ass I'd have already engaged you in hard sparring.
Truth be told, though, I just need Cyan to shoot you to save me the effort.
Another blatant misrepresentation of the point I was trying to make. This is an attack on you, not a defense of myself. You are using Argument A to call Player A scum, but when Argument A also applies to Player B, you are conveniently ignoring the connotations. What I'm arguing is not that this doesn't make me scum - what I'm arguing is that it makes you scum with Player B (that being NotVoxx).
I mean, there's a simple way to settle this.
Would anyone like to claim to be Ra at this point?
Also...why are you hunting Neutrals? You try to justify Seppel's Neutral claim here, and then you try to paint Cyan as the SK to see who jumps on, or at least plant that seed of doubt in everyone.
You're scummy as the Day is long, friend.
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If I don't go to Pennsylvania, I will set aside some time to directly engage you on every issue you've challenged me on at some point this weekend. I have some other stuff I need to get to (such as learning some stuff for work and reviewing 4 Mafia setups) but you'll get your war.
Does that sound enticing?
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Hey get ****ed, I figured out that Chris was scum in the Invitational, and the rest of you ruined it. And then I decided to be dumb and just never look back and re-evaluate for some inexplicable reason that I'll never let myself forget. But this is a big sticking point for me. You were just in a game where Chris was scum. You literally just experienced his scum play, which couldn't be different than it has been thus far this game, and we got annihilated by it. But then we come into this game, and you decide he is scum even though his gameplay is completely different and then you..try to lynch silly Tom instead. This just doesn't track buddy.
And speaking of Chris and his tendencies, when have you EVER known him to 'chainsaw for a buddy'. Why would he start doing that now, out of nowhere, in this game? He didn't do it in Wu Tang(he obliterated KA? in that game). He didn't do it in Avant Garde(He destroyed Ika). He didn't do it in the Invitational(with WG). Maybe he is just exceptionally aware of people figuring out his meta, before anyone even starts talking about it!, but as far as I can tell, when Chris senses weakness in a scumbuddy(and as much as Tom is a fun guy to be around, let's be real..he is a weak player), he demolishes them. If he was scum here with Tom, he would have been racing you out of the gate to find some excuse to lynch Tom. This is(or was, I imagine that he will try to change this now that we've had this public discussion about it) his MO as scum. Maybe you just haven't been in as many of his scum games as I have? I don't know. But I'm telling you from experience, mostly from being duped by him over and ******* over. I've learned from my mistakes, and I've learned how to recognize scum Chris. And this game is not scum Chris. Period.
And why are you offering yourself up here? Like let's be real, no one is actually going to say 'Oh Chris got vigged and flipped town, better lynch Iso now because he was wrong'. I hate meaningless sentiment and you know that. Come on man. Blah. I'm starting to think that you're both town and I'm going to have to end up playing mediator forever, which is not a role that I am good at, at least when it comes to mafia. This makes me unhappy. But this is really starting to feel like a Town on Town fight, which is something I should know about, considering that I've probably been involved in more of them than..literally anyone on the planet. :/
I thought Seppel was standing by his Neutral Survivor claim(which is unfortunate for him). Also, I thought he claimed Amasteru or something(I don't remember exactly, whatever that horse picture was)?
I thought hawk was scum (note: changed my mind, dude's adorable) and I don't assume bussing. That was a lot of sentences for an obvious 'I agreed with TS's read, so I thought it was good play' jesus, you're like stretch armstrong.
This is sound enough logic, and my scum game thanks you for the praise.
I've now asked you four times to provide my shallow scum and town reads this game, and yet you did not give it. You gave an eloquent reason why you do not wish to engage in quote walls, but you have not backed up your accusation, Iso.
You're right, what you said wasn't meant to defend yourself in any way, silly me. You are asking for equivalence in mafia, which is pretty absurd to the point I know you don't believe that.
Also you are really going for the stretch record about the SK thing. I don't think jokingly discussing my own Ba'al role is going to have much of an impact, Iso. It's okay friend.
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Yeah this is a terrible idea, Seppels' days are already pretty numbered, given that he claimed Neutral Survivor.
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I'm pretty willing to accept that you're town for nownow, but I'm fully convinced that Chris is town. And you both know that I am town, so you both need to go sit in the corner and cool off and help me figure out who is ACTUALLY scum. And no, it isn't ******* Tom. And no, it isn't Nacho either. Seriously Iso, where is your head at in this game? Like seriously, you are ASCETIC PLUS. This is like a once in a lifetime overpowered role, and I am still having a bit of a hard time accepting that it is town. It's easier to believe that you're some kind of scum neutral frankly, but I can't believe that you're just on the all-in gambit if that is the case here. Anyway, you just botched a whole game as town by running out your claim and forcing a mass-claim and what do you do? Come into this game and immediately breadcrumb your role, ensuring that..no townie ever actually targets you. :/ Get it together.
Part of the problem is that *literally* half of the playerbase is V/LA, and it's fully possible that most/all of the scum could be among them, so we're just sitting around jerking off while all of the scum are just..not here. I honestly kind of wish Taredas would just suspend the game/lock the thread until 12/26 or something. Situations like this just give the scum an inherent advantage, because they don't have to do anything, and the town are not going to lynch a lurker, because that is just completely shooting in the dark.
As for the "why offer myself up", I told you - if I'm so horribly off in this game that all of my scumreads are bad, not only do I probably deserve to die for being so boisterous about all of this, my being off is also going to be severely detrimental to my productivity and morale in this game. But we won't know until we get a flip from one of them, and I'm going to be doing my damndest all game to get them lynched unless I'm given reason to believe they're town - and so far, that hasn't been the case.
This might be our last game together, Cyan. Just validate me this one time, please.
@Chris: If you want my examples of your mindless reads (such as the one where you write TS off as town for "scumhunting well", which is just a scum excuse to write off having to justify a read), I told you, you're gonna have to wait for the weekend.
Also, obviously it's not a stretch, because of how many times it's worked for me, and now you're using it and you're scum.
I'm not asking you for equivalence. I'm telling you that you're looking at two dogs and calling one of them a cat. That's either willful ignorance at best or downright dishonesty with scummy intent at worst, and it's just one more thing that makes you scum.
Also, I have no idea who your avatar is supposed to be, but I can be anime avatar, too. Switching nao
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Anyway you are asking for equivalence. You think because I think player a doing something is bad then player b should be held to the same standard. I am saying that's never going to be the case with me and is clearly you trying to divert attention away from you.
Also I remember her death being...pretty obvious but there is no youtube video for me to refresh my memory on the subject, damn you youtube. But uh Cyan you may want to not, you know, ******* FLAVOR meta of all things this game. Like what the hell? Flavor meta never leads good players.
My avatar is Kumagawa from Medaka Box, one of my favorite characters ever.
He's my scary face.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
and y'know what? I didn't use scum reasons to do so
And for the last ******* time, I don't give a **** that your attention is on me. It has nothing to do with "look somewhere else". It has nothing to do with "I'm town". It has everything to do with "Chris is scum, and the dissonance in his worldview between his read on NotVoxx and myself is a result of them being scumbuddies."
Period. *******. End.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You. ARE LITERALLY. Comparing yourself to the actions of a scum read of yourself.
I have turned you around so hard your observation is "I'm doing the same thing this scummy guy is doing!"
I already said I'll look into him after you are dead. I personally think I am being downright thoughtful.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
If I believe you are town, I'm not willing to give up such a valuable town role. Maybe you're just playing me for a fool, but if so I'll figure that out later. For now, please just stop with the melodrama.
Maybe I'll sign her up for a game.
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You are the one changing the subject. The subject is, "Chris is approaching this situation in a way that makes him scum." I never once said that my scum read on NotVoxx was because of his approach to theory - you are the one saying that I'm saying that, and twisting what this is about into that. You're the one saying I'M scum for doing what NotVoxx is doing while paying 0 heed to NotVoxx in the process. So please, continue talking out of your ass, as I would love to be the first one to lynch you on MTGS.
Also, I'm a Magical Girl. My life is winter.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I still don't know how you could possibly have had a scum read on NotVoxx honestly, he seems like a super-townie.
Also this sounds poor on your part. Come on man. Please just take a step back here. Eventually you're just going to rally everyone against you.
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You're right.
Sorry for the hostility Chris, but you are twisting my words and repeating myself is one of my biggest peeves.
I think I'm going to not open this thread again until Saturday (presuming I'm not in Pennsylvania, of course, and then it'll more likely be Sunday night).
See you guys later.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Closest thing I could find.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@ rest of game - Do you think I am twisting Iso's words in this manner?
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Every game I play in ends up having players argue about who called me town first or who thought I was towniest. Is it a good thing that people try to defend themselves by saying these sorts of things.
Wow, I actually agree with hawk = o
They should put you on a farm with your sweet barn skills.
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Wow, this is so edgy that I got cut just reading it.
Don't get to on edge, you might accidentally shoot someone.
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I'm bored and I want the people that aren't playing to play.
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@iso dammit is that the best you can do for a chris case? I'm itching to join you but you're somehow managing to make him look townier.
Your case is so bad I agree with Seppel's comment about it. Seppel! See what you're doing to me?
Just stop. Both of you.
Cyan might be right and they're both town. I hope they ignore each other long enough to lead us to victory. Seems unlikely.
When did both of you turn into me?
Speaking of tunneling someone...
Hawk is... looking better. But it's hard to look MORE scummy than he was. I choose to believe he just saw how awful he was playing and buckled down. Nice job avoiding my extremely clever trap.
@cyan you said hawk will undoubtedly show us that hes scum if he is. But didn't he already do that? Like super obviously? What are you looking for? I still think he just straight up slipped and I'm not sure I could be convinced otherwise.
Tapping isn't any different this game. He's been tappingstones as ****. Which sounds like something I would say about Seppel, but isn't in any way similar. I think you all know what I mean. I'm glad he finally has a power role
Oh I think someone asked me about my vaimes read (cyan maybe)
My answer is "page 2"
that dude is town as ****. Townier than iso and cyan combined.
Vaimes is so town the only way he's scum is if he didn't read his role pm and just started posting
I probably missed some stuff worth replying to. But I'm union today, so I have to go smoke cigarettes with the Russian dancers and pretend I'm not WAY overpaid
it is me again
I'm back! I'm going to catch up now. I've been reading along the whole time, don't worry, but I need to find the stuff worth responding to.
If you have anything you'd like me to address, now would be a good time to ask me. I'll be around for a couple of hours.