I believe Seppel. What he says makes sense, and DC's retort does not.
Which one to start with? DC probably has more mafia strength than Proph but they can only really kill Seppel, Az, or myself (and even then they have to kill Seppel because Az and I are vanilla whereas Seppel is cop). Proph's speednamings show he probably has an ability he's lying about (and therefore is good) whereas DC might be telling the truth because he thought it was townie.
So I'd lean towards starting with Proph myself, since the DC advantage is pretty slim to begin with.
How am I not engaging with what you're saying? Point to the things you think I'm not engaging you with.
The Proph point I already addressed - I've solved the game and explained why, so in order to prove that you want me to town case Proph? That's not how it works, it's reverse thinking. You're taking someone who appears scummy and asking me to explain why they're town as a defense against why I think other people are scum. The reason I think he's town is sheer PoE. KA's role is a contradicion to mine - so I know he's scum (plus his claim and actions make the least sense of anyone). I thought you were scum through your play, now I know it through your claim. Necarg has to be scum or you wouldn't bothered to defend him. You're just throwing Proph out as a distraction.
And you aren't addressing my point which is that you're saying that you knew you wouldn't be killed if you went a long with the Hunt lynch but you weren't just going along with the Hunt lynch, you were pushing it along and you didn't have to worry about being the target no matter what you did unless you claimed cop because you weren't being town read at all.
And you did nothing to breadcrumb your findings, and there's zero point in allowing the lynch to happen if you're town. Zero.
DC3's retorts are ok at best. I'm leaning with Seppel here. I want to lynch Proph first, though.
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Post 131 - Seppel Votes for Charm
Post 155 - Seppel Votes for Dec/Jobie
Post 178 - Seppel Votes for Aug/KA
Post 285 - Seppel Votes for Mar/Az
Post 553 - Seppel Votes for Charm
Honestly, this is Seppel's modus operandi. Vote Person A, move onto another wagon (or 4) he finds intriguing, continue to say person A is scum.
I said I would look at DC3/Proph voting records (Day1 only, since Day 2 was worthless):
Proph:
Voted for June in RVS, Early votes on Hunt/Charm (Charm vote assisted in Charm claim, iirc); 336 vote on Az (unvotes at L-1 to get claim, as Seppel brought up; 206/410 votes on Necarg, the first for wagoning, the second for... uh... wagoning again?
Also, from 410, I always like to believe Scum will put at least one real scum in their scum lists early on:
This must be what Iso feels like. "Hey guys look, I've solved the game and here's obvious behavioral analysis why!"
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Wheat, Jobie and Az - can you tell me why you believe Seppel specifically? I'm just hearing a lot of leaning toward him. His play doesn't reconcile with his actions. Can you please look at how quiet KA and Necarg are being overall? Seppel is fighting the battle for them and they're just chiming in.
Necarg's stance on me is soft considering his claim and now Seppel's. He'd have a stronger opinion than that.
KA's last post was poking at Jobie and his post before that was a one liner about Necarg - he's avoiding me vs Seppel altogether despite his role being a counter to mine.
I believe in the Seppel that Iso believes in. I also believe Seppel acted in a way that is in accordance with his claim. I also believe he had no reason to claim such a thing at this juncture if he was scum, because it would only add danger. I also believe he is cop because isos play hints at it. I also believe he would choose the targets he chose.
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I hadn't read Seppel's cop post when I made this post, heheh.
Well, that certainly clarifies things.
Why do I trust Seppel over DC3? If for nothing else, than for the same reason I was trusted me as an uncountered doc. And Necarg's role suggests the presence of a cop as well. But beyond that, all three have peripherally pinged me for various reasons throughout the game, particularly their voting rationales. Seppel's been weird, but Seppel's always weird, and his mistakes have been more parts hard to understand than actually sinister and artificial-seeming.
Beyond that, if this were a gambit, I rather doubt scum-Seppel would have named TWO guilty results. That would mean two players who would automatically know that he's lying and vote against him to the hilt. If he'd only named a single player guilty, he'd have better chances as mafia of a successful gambit since he'd have fewer votes opposing him.
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I would like to be named as early as possible. I would like the gentleman in the DiviFilius/August mask to do this, though I could also hesitantly accept May to do the job, as well.
If either of you gents would like to correspond with me on a time to meet in this thread, I will out myself once we have agreed upon a time and date and at least one of you has confirmed your presence in the thread.
Definitely supports Seps' claim of having received a multi-cop ability from Iso.
First 5 pages of reread consistent with the proph/DC/jobie trifecta theory. Their reads and interactions are off.
I hadn't read Seppel's cop post when I made this post, heheh.
Well, that certainly clarifies things.
Why do I trust Seppel over DC3? If for nothing else, than for the same reason I was trusted me as an uncountered doc. And Necarg's role suggests the presence of a cop as well. But beyond that, all three have peripherally pinged me for various reasons throughout the game, particularly their voting rationales. Seppel's been weird, but Seppel's always weird, and his mistakes have been more parts hard to understand than actually sinister and artificial-seeming.
Beyond that, if this were a gambit, I rather doubt scum-Seppel would have named TWO guilty results. That would mean two players who would automatically know that he's lying and vote against him to the hilt. If he'd only named a single player guilty, he'd have better chances as mafia of a successful gambit since he'd have fewer votes opposing him.
He's pushed through two mislynches and is claiming cop in mylo when he did zero to deter a lynch he knew was wrong Yesterday. How is that not sinister?
Look at that last post by KA - what dichotomy does he need to consider? He and I are the dichotomy. His lack of concern about three protective roles in a 12 person game should be your flag, especially when I'm onto him. That post literally only makes sense if he's scum. And Necarg is worried about a NL at this point as his vote justification?
I'm going crazy that you guys aren't seeing this. At what point did KA ever express concern over Hunt Yesterday until he hammered him? And he pulled the "L-1" hammer move.
What about my vote reasoning pinged you Az? Tell me and I'll explain my thought process.
Seppel stopped engaging with me once he felt like he got the upper hand and he's not responding to why he thought he'd be at risk to die if he tried to stop the Hunt wagon because he knows he wasn't. Hes saying that he sat on a guilty cop verdict and allowed a mislynch to go through and left no traces of his result in thread, which he wouldn't have done if he was Town. Think about it. At that point he'd have had a guilty result and a Town clear on Hunt who almost everyone suspected but he stayed silent and encouraged people to push through the mislynch.
That's not weird play, that's scum play.
@Proph - what happens if you fulfill your win con?
I know this isn't going to change anything but I'm a survivor that needs Jobie dead in order to win.
Had multiple wincons, first one was to Nane 3 people but I bungled that one D1. Now have to survive and have the person I Name dead to win.
I know I'm losing this game but whatever. Gg to scum unless its a two man team.
Seppel should clarify whether he got not town or Mafia result
It is indeed "not aligned with the town" for both you and DCIII.
That explains why you thought of The Hobbit Mafia. (Gollum was a survivor that either needed to have the one ring or have Frodo dead to win.)
Unvote, intent to vote DCIII.
Though I am curious why DCIII didn't just go along with the Jobie vote. I dismissed the idea of 3rd party roles early on because I couldn't come up with any that were fair, and Proph's role doesn't really seem that fair. Guess we'll find out eventually.
What's the optimal lynch path here? DCIII -> Jobie -> Proph, then KA if the game is still going on?
I don't trust Proph, but his actions jive with his claim.
the problem is, proph's role doesn't really seem anti-town enough to knock a scum off the scumteam
so if it's not dc/jobie/proph then who can it be? It's still DC/Jobie, but it can't be KA because KA can't be scum with DC. I don't really think it's necarg because dc/jobie wouldn't allow him to claim it (probably wouldn't even suggest to claim it in the first place). Can't be Seppel because Seppel can't be scum. Can't be Az because he's been fully uncc'd.
one of these assumptions is wrong, or else Proph is lying. It's such an involved claim though
Proph: What would happen if you had named no one? Would it be impossible for you to win at that point?
@Seppel/WG I think you both are suffering from recency bias and lack of a recent townie data point for me. I don't think anything I've done is that off of town play. If I'm lynched, we lose.
Also, I find it very strange that Seppel is putting me in front of one of his scum results for lynch order.
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EBWDP: Goddamn the notification system. It put me below the Proph re-claim post.
This game seems hopeless for the town to win at this point. I don't think a Proph lynch should happen before mine in any way. Non-town result is a non-town result.
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@Seppel/WG I think you both are suffering from recency bias and lack of a recent townie data point for me. I don't think anything I've done is that off of town play. If I'm lynched, we lose.
So there's three scum and a neutral? Or do you not believe Proph's claim? Did you just not beother to answer Wheat?
The lack of natural things for a townie to say here is astounding.
@Seppel/WG I think you both are suffering from recency bias and lack of a recent townie data point for me. I don't think anything I've done is that off of town play. If I'm lynched, we lose.
Also, I find it very strange that Seppel is putting me in front of one of his scum results for lynch order.
I'm not basing my read on you off of meta.
My read on you is based off the fact that you are tied to DCIII and DCIII is scum.
DCIII: Did you read my post where I explain my thoughts on protective roles? There aren't actually 3 protective roles when we're mutually exclusive. I realized that after initially pushing against Az for his protective claim.
The dichotomy was Seppel vs. you+proph. And Proph just removed himself from the dichotomy. So it's you vs. Seppel.
The question is, why are you focusing on me and not Az? If you really think 3 protectives are impossible, why am I scum and Az town and not the other way around, or both me and Az being scum?
Going to wait for Az to complete his review. Currently intending to vote DCIII.
My read on you is based off the fact that you are tied to DCIII and DCIII is scum.
Because reasons?
Because Seppel's cases showed it. Also POE. And I think there were some other reasons I had earlier but forgot too, but I don't care enough to go back and search for them since I'm feeling pretty certain about it based on the other two alone.
I don't believe Proph's claim. Both of those WinCon's seem like they could easily be made up.
I'm still wanting a proph lynch, but I'll be ok with a DC lynch.
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@Seppel/WG I think you both are suffering from recency bias and lack of a recent townie data point for me. I don't think anything I've done is that off of town play. If I'm lynched, we lose.
So there's three scum and a neutral? Or do you not believe Proph's claim? Did you just not beother to answer Wheat?
The lack of natural things for a townie to say here is astounding.
This is a scum post. It's appealing to Proph and Wheat through subtext and is trying to position Jobie in a position that there's no good answer.
@KA - because our roles are the overlap. Your claim renders you bulletproof from people you name. My role renders me bulletproof when I name people. Az's role is different. If you didn't think our roles were mutually exclusive in design, having both of them AND Az's role is something that would be a concern of yours regardless of the naming parameters. Plus, again, it makes no sense that you'd try to protect yourself from me after showing no concern with my claim earlier. I don't buy just trying to collect protects - you wouldn't have considered yourself a kill priority.
And KA is just accepting the Proph claim just like Seppel is and immediately focusing on me. There's no critical thought about it - he's just shifting to try to drive home the lynch on me. I know Proph is telling the truth because Seppel is lying - Seppel and KA both accept it as fact despite the claimed result and previously thinking we were buddies. They just zoom straight to me. KA isn't even pretending to consider the rest of the game at this point.
At least Necarg has sense enough to doubt the Proph claim, but he's still scum.
God I know DCIII's scumtell and it's so beautiful to see in action.
Must be nice to have swallowed that canary.
If I were scum I wouldn't have tried to counter Az. He flips Town and then what? I was under no suspicion at the time. It's like everyone has turned off their brains because cop.
If the scum team are you and KA and Necarg then you've already won because Proph is never going to play against his win con at the end - he needs Jobie dead.
Proph, agreed? Or can I convince you to vote Seppel still? I can't because the progression voting of the scum team doesn't end in a Jobie lynch.
So Proph unless you're willing to play against your win con, let's just save us all some time, eh? This game is over one way or another. We might as well let Proph win, too.
@Seppel/WG I think you both are suffering from recency bias and lack of a recent townie data point for me. I don't think anything I've done is that off of town play. If I'm lynched, we lose.
So there's three scum and a neutral? Or do you not believe Proph's claim? Did you just not beother to answer Wheat?
The lack of natural things for a townie to say here is astounding.
This is a scum post. It's appealing to Proph and Wheat through subtext and is trying to position Jobie in a position that there's no good answer.
@KA - because our roles are the overlap. Your claim renders you bulletproof from people you name. My role renders me bulletproof when I name people. Az's role is different. If you didn't think our roles were mutually exclusive in design, having both of them AND Az's role is something that would be a concern of yours regardless of the naming parameters. Plus, again, it makes no sense that you'd try to protect yourself from me after showing no concern with my claim earlier. I don't buy just trying to collect protects - you wouldn't have considered yourself a kill priority.
And KA is just accepting the Proph claim just like Seppel is and immediately focusing on me. There's no critical thought about it - he's just shifting to try to drive home the lynch on me. I know Proph is telling the truth because Seppel is lying - Seppel and KA both accept it as fact despite the claimed result and previously thinking we were buddies. They just zoom straight to me. KA isn't even pretending to consider the rest of the game at this point.
At least Necarg has sense enough to doubt the Proph claim, but he's still scum.
Dat flail.
The thing is, I wasn't strongly against you. I was evaluating the dichotomy created by Seppel. I started leaning in Seppel's favor. I have never been gung-ho about you two being buddies. The evaluation mostly hinged on Seppel, not you two, at the time.
Proph's claim renders him irrelevant by the act of making that claim. It doesn't actually matter whether I believe him. Either he's telling the truth, which corroborates Seppel by being non-town, or he's lying, in which case he must be scum (town would have no reason to lie about being neutral), which still corroborates Seppel by being non-town. In the long run I need to decide if I believe him or not, but today's lynch will be either you or Seppel, no one else. It is strictly guaranteed that one of you is scum; there is no reason to consider anyone else today.
And no, you're still wrong about the role overlap. First of all, Az claimed both doc AND a bulletproof giver, so he's not in some completely separate category; second, it's still mutually exclusive roles; third, obviously I don't consider myself a kill priority - so what? I decided collecting protections for the only confirmed town was a good idea.
I am certain now: you're caught and you know it, and I'm willing to bet the game on it.
I'm pretty much ready to move on whenever. I do want Proph to answer me toMorrow if he doesn't toDay, but I don't see a reason to hold up on that front.
I'm withholding my vote until Az wants to move forward too tho.
Ready to go forward with a DC lynch.Proph or Jobie lynch tomorrow seems reasonable.
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After those two are down...I didn't get a solid anti-town read off reading all KA's posts. I think his posting style early in the game, which was very curt and lurkish, was plausibly an attempt to conceal his name rather than an attempt to conceal alignment. His reads have been largely anti-town, but I don't know that I see a slam-dunk case against him.
I'm guessing the Jobie case is gonna be much stronger when I get to it.
Dciii - I win with whoever has won. First two wincons would have made me win and leave the game
Wheat - if I named no one then I would just be a plain survivor. Third wincon was hidden from me until everyone was Named. First two win cons were to either Name 3 people or to have named 1/2 of the living players rounded up.
Az wants to move forward so let's go. I think I agree with him about Proph next, but I need to think it over more toMorrow since Proph wanting Jobie dead is a big stinking pile of WIFOM.
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Which one to start with? DC probably has more mafia strength than Proph but they can only really kill Seppel, Az, or myself (and even then they have to kill Seppel because Az and I are vanilla whereas Seppel is cop). Proph's speednamings show he probably has an ability he's lying about (and therefore is good) whereas DC might be telling the truth because he thought it was townie.
So I'd lean towards starting with Proph myself, since the DC advantage is pretty slim to begin with.
I'll take a few minutes at work today to look at Seppel, DC3 and Prophs voting and other notes I have. But I'm leaning more Seppel's way this morning.
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The Proph point I already addressed - I've solved the game and explained why, so in order to prove that you want me to town case Proph? That's not how it works, it's reverse thinking. You're taking someone who appears scummy and asking me to explain why they're town as a defense against why I think other people are scum. The reason I think he's town is sheer PoE. KA's role is a contradicion to mine - so I know he's scum (plus his claim and actions make the least sense of anyone). I thought you were scum through your play, now I know it through your claim. Necarg has to be scum or you wouldn't bothered to defend him. You're just throwing Proph out as a distraction.
And you aren't addressing my point which is that you're saying that you knew you wouldn't be killed if you went a long with the Hunt lynch but you weren't just going along with the Hunt lynch, you were pushing it along and you didn't have to worry about being the target no matter what you did unless you claimed cop because you weren't being town read at all.
And you did nothing to breadcrumb your findings, and there's zero point in allowing the lynch to happen if you're town. Zero.
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He moved from you to KA to Az.
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Post 155 - Seppel Votes for Dec/Jobie
Post 178 - Seppel Votes for Aug/KA
Post 285 - Seppel Votes for Mar/Az
Post 553 - Seppel Votes for Charm
Honestly, this is Seppel's modus operandi. Vote Person A, move onto another wagon (or 4) he finds intriguing, continue to say person A is scum.
I said I would look at DC3/Proph voting records (Day1 only, since Day 2 was worthless):
Proph:
Voted for June in RVS, Early votes on Hunt/Charm (Charm vote assisted in Charm claim, iirc); 336 vote on Az (unvotes at L-1 to get claim, as Seppel brought up; 206/410 votes on Necarg, the first for wagoning, the second for... uh... wagoning again?
Also, from 410, I always like to believe Scum will put at least one real scum in their scum lists early on:
DC3:
Voted for Nov in RVS, voted for Az for Az accusing him of fishing, in 502 he cases June/GJ and votes for him because of it.
/yawn
I like Proph better than DC3 also. I wish we had lynched him yesterday instead of Hunt. Or at least taken the time to consider that Hunt wasn't scum.
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::crickets::
::suspension of disbelief::
::folly::
Wheat, Jobie and Az - can you tell me why you believe Seppel specifically? I'm just hearing a lot of leaning toward him. His play doesn't reconcile with his actions. Can you please look at how quiet KA and Necarg are being overall? Seppel is fighting the battle for them and they're just chiming in.
Necarg's stance on me is soft considering his claim and now Seppel's. He'd have a stronger opinion than that.
KA's last post was poking at Jobie and his post before that was a one liner about Necarg - he's avoiding me vs Seppel altogether despite his role being a counter to mine.
Like stop and think, please.
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Good luck, guys. Don't let Jobie fool you. He's a stronger player than KA, so his answers are going to always come off better than KA's.
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Seppel is confirmed, ka is super town, necarg is very likely town, jobie is almost guaranteed to be final scum
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I hadn't read Seppel's cop post when I made this post, heheh.
Well, that certainly clarifies things.
Why do I trust Seppel over DC3? If for nothing else, than for the same reason I was trusted me as an uncountered doc. And Necarg's role suggests the presence of a cop as well. But beyond that, all three have peripherally pinged me for various reasons throughout the game, particularly their voting rationales. Seppel's been weird, but Seppel's always weird, and his mistakes have been more parts hard to understand than actually sinister and artificial-seeming.
Beyond that, if this were a gambit, I rather doubt scum-Seppel would have named TWO guilty results. That would mean two players who would automatically know that he's lying and vote against him to the hilt. If he'd only named a single player guilty, he'd have better chances as mafia of a successful gambit since he'd have fewer votes opposing him.
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Definitely supports Seps' claim of having received a multi-cop ability from Iso.
First 5 pages of reread consistent with the proph/DC/jobie trifecta theory. Their reads and interactions are off.
Had multiple wincons, first one was to Nane 3 people but I bungled that one D1. Now have to survive and have the person I Name dead to win.
I know I'm losing this game but whatever. Gg to scum unless its a two man team.
Seppel should clarify whether he got not town or Mafia result
He's pushed through two mislynches and is claiming cop in mylo when he did zero to deter a lynch he knew was wrong Yesterday. How is that not sinister?
Look at that last post by KA - what dichotomy does he need to consider? He and I are the dichotomy. His lack of concern about three protective roles in a 12 person game should be your flag, especially when I'm onto him. That post literally only makes sense if he's scum. And Necarg is worried about a NL at this point as his vote justification?
I'm going crazy that you guys aren't seeing this. At what point did KA ever express concern over Hunt Yesterday until he hammered him? And he pulled the "L-1" hammer move.
What about my vote reasoning pinged you Az? Tell me and I'll explain my thought process.
Seppel stopped engaging with me once he felt like he got the upper hand and he's not responding to why he thought he'd be at risk to die if he tried to stop the Hunt wagon because he knows he wasn't. Hes saying that he sat on a guilty cop verdict and allowed a mislynch to go through and left no traces of his result in thread, which he wouldn't have done if he was Town. Think about it. At that point he'd have had a guilty result and a Town clear on Hunt who almost everyone suspected but he stayed silent and encouraged people to push through the mislynch.
That's not weird play, that's scum play.
@Proph - what happens if you fulfill your win con?
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Might as well tell you what you're up against:
Most Scummy
Jobie
KA
Necarg
WG
Azrael
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It is indeed "not aligned with the town" for both you and DCIII.
That explains why you thought of The Hobbit Mafia. (Gollum was a survivor that either needed to have the one ring or have Frodo dead to win.)
Unvote, intent to vote DCIII.
Though I am curious why DCIII didn't just go along with the Jobie vote. I dismissed the idea of 3rd party roles early on because I couldn't come up with any that were fair, and Proph's role doesn't really seem that fair. Guess we'll find out eventually.
What's the optimal lynch path here? DCIII -> Jobie -> Proph, then KA if the game is still going on?
I don't trust Proph, but his actions jive with his claim.
the problem is, proph's role doesn't really seem anti-town enough to knock a scum off the scumteam
so if it's not dc/jobie/proph then who can it be? It's still DC/Jobie, but it can't be KA because KA can't be scum with DC. I don't really think it's necarg because dc/jobie wouldn't allow him to claim it (probably wouldn't even suggest to claim it in the first place). Can't be Seppel because Seppel can't be scum. Can't be Az because he's been fully uncc'd.
one of these assumptions is wrong, or else Proph is lying. It's such an involved claim though
Proph: What would happen if you had named no one? Would it be impossible for you to win at that point?
Also, I find it very strange that Seppel is putting me in front of one of his scum results for lynch order.
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This game seems hopeless for the town to win at this point. I don't think a Proph lynch should happen before mine in any way. Non-town result is a non-town result.
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The lack of natural things for a townie to say here is astounding.
also, I've reread WGs post on this page and don't find anything directed at me. could you be a dear and direct me to his question?
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I'm not basing my read on you off of meta.
My read on you is based off the fact that you are tied to DCIII and DCIII is scum.
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The dichotomy was Seppel vs. you+proph. And Proph just removed himself from the dichotomy. So it's you vs. Seppel.
The question is, why are you focusing on me and not Az? If you really think 3 protectives are impossible, why am I scum and Az town and not the other way around, or both me and Az being scum?
Going to wait for Az to complete his review. Currently intending to vote DCIII.
Because Seppel's cases showed it. Also POE. And I think there were some other reasons I had earlier but forgot too, but I don't care enough to go back and search for them since I'm feeling pretty certain about it based on the other two alone.
I'm still wanting a proph lynch, but I'll be ok with a DC lynch.
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You mean Proph and it's because I'm Town. But you know that already and are just going the path of least resistance on me.
This is a scum post. It's appealing to Proph and Wheat through subtext and is trying to position Jobie in a position that there's no good answer.
@KA - because our roles are the overlap. Your claim renders you bulletproof from people you name. My role renders me bulletproof when I name people. Az's role is different. If you didn't think our roles were mutually exclusive in design, having both of them AND Az's role is something that would be a concern of yours regardless of the naming parameters. Plus, again, it makes no sense that you'd try to protect yourself from me after showing no concern with my claim earlier. I don't buy just trying to collect protects - you wouldn't have considered yourself a kill priority.
And KA is just accepting the Proph claim just like Seppel is and immediately focusing on me. There's no critical thought about it - he's just shifting to try to drive home the lynch on me. I know Proph is telling the truth because Seppel is lying - Seppel and KA both accept it as fact despite the claimed result and previously thinking we were buddies. They just zoom straight to me. KA isn't even pretending to consider the rest of the game at this point.
At least Necarg has sense enough to doubt the Proph claim, but he's still scum.
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Must be nice to have swallowed that canary.
If I were scum I wouldn't have tried to counter Az. He flips Town and then what? I was under no suspicion at the time. It's like everyone has turned off their brains because cop.
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If the scum team are you and KA and Necarg then you've already won because Proph is never going to play against his win con at the end - he needs Jobie dead.
Proph, agreed? Or can I convince you to vote Seppel still? I can't because the progression voting of the scum team doesn't end in a Jobie lynch.
So Proph unless you're willing to play against your win con, let's just save us all some time, eh? This game is over one way or another. We might as well let Proph win, too.
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The thing is, I wasn't strongly against you. I was evaluating the dichotomy created by Seppel. I started leaning in Seppel's favor. I have never been gung-ho about you two being buddies. The evaluation mostly hinged on Seppel, not you two, at the time.
Proph's claim renders him irrelevant by the act of making that claim. It doesn't actually matter whether I believe him. Either he's telling the truth, which corroborates Seppel by being non-town, or he's lying, in which case he must be scum (town would have no reason to lie about being neutral), which still corroborates Seppel by being non-town. In the long run I need to decide if I believe him or not, but today's lynch will be either you or Seppel, no one else. It is strictly guaranteed that one of you is scum; there is no reason to consider anyone else today.
And no, you're still wrong about the role overlap. First of all, Az claimed both doc AND a bulletproof giver, so he's not in some completely separate category; second, it's still mutually exclusive roles; third, obviously I don't consider myself a kill priority - so what? I decided collecting protections for the only confirmed town was a good idea.
I am certain now: you're caught and you know it, and I'm willing to bet the game on it.
vote DCIII
I'm withholding my vote until Az wants to move forward too tho.
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unvote, vote DCIII.
I'm guessing the Jobie case is gonna be much stronger when I get to it.
Wheat - if I named no one then I would just be a plain survivor. Third wincon was hidden from me until everyone was Named. First two win cons were to either Name 3 people or to have named 1/2 of the living players rounded up.
So either Proph is faking, or there's only 2 scum. Neat.
Az wants to move forward so let's go. I think I agree with him about Proph next, but I need to think it over more toMorrow since Proph wanting Jobie dead is a big stinking pile of WIFOM.
Unvote, Vote: DCIII
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