Going to reread and so on later today. If someone were kind enough to give me a compendium of all claims (and similar important information), that would be really appreciated.
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
I'm going to stay silent about Fulcrum's actions for a while. ZDS, do you have a list of actions people have taken in each night? (Preferraby with results, in case of trackers etc.)
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Welp, I haven't reread yet since I'm apparently a lot lazier than I anticipated. I am planning to do some analysis by the deadline. From just this last page through I'm marginally confident that the scumteam is Sepiriel and ZDS and I would be ok with lynching either (although I prefer zds because his poe is pretty airtight from where I'm standing)
As for my night actions I started the game with 1 bp. I was able to track every Night thanks to Necrag's Vengeance trinket, in fact I even have bp to track toNight again if we lynch right.
As for my night actions I started the game with 1 bp. I was able to track every Night thanks to Necarg's Vengeance trinket, in fact I even have bp to track toNight again if we lynch right.
Ok, this means that Atog has been targeted twice since I gave her the ability (+1 BP every time you get targeted) along with 1 BP. Presumably Generic and... Someone else. It wasn't Fulcrum, or he would either have more BP or not enough BP, and Rhand doesn't have enough BP, so it was probably Vaimes.
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1) I had just done a full read of the game at that point and rememberd that when Atog posted that, Cythare had had no more content than Chris. Atog's comparison he used to explain his scumread was awful.
2) the GIP was the league game which finished now. Antny's behavior matched in those games, and he was a mason there.
I defaulted last Night [ZDS note: Night 1], but that info is in thread already.
If anybody can find me where during Day 2 Rhand said (or implied) he defaulted, I will be grateful. All I see is him complaining about Fulcrum stealing a BP from him, which implies nothing. But then again my screen is acting up, so maybe I'm just blind to the post I'm looking for.
I was gonna fish up that post for you, but apparently I never literally said it in thread. I thought I did somewhere with the Cythare vig claim arguing, but I guess I only did so in neighbour chat.
@ZDS for what is worth rhand told me about his actions when we chatted. Him defaulting on night 1 and losing bp and not dying to cyth was a big question mark since we didnt know how that even made sense until i clarified with the mod about action orders.
Also really sorry but im really busy and have very little time to check the game much right now.
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Because then a lynch will NEVER happen. Shouldn't it be four?
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I've given it some thought, and it makes more sense to lynch Atog toDay than ZDS.
If Atog is indeed scum, then he either flips tracker, making ZDS the only possible buddy (I don't think Sepi is Neighbourizer AND strongman). Or he flips something else, making Sepi confirmed scum (he needed Sepi as buddy to know that I targeted Vaimes.
I've given it some thought, and it makes more sense to lynch Atog toDay than ZDS.
If Atog is indeed scum, then he either flips tracker, making ZDS the only possible buddy (I don't think Sepi is Neighbourizer AND strongman). Or he flips something else, making Sepi confirmed scum (he needed Sepi as buddy to know that I targeted Vaimes.
vote Atog
You realise that we are most likely in MyLo at the moment?
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I've given it some thought, and it makes more sense to lynch Atog toDay than ZDS.
If Atog is indeed scum, then he either flips tracker, making ZDS the only possible buddy (I don't think Sepi is Neighbourizer AND strongman). Or he flips something else, making Sepi confirmed scum (he needed Sepi as buddy to know that I targeted Vaimes.
vote Atog
If Atog is town then we
LOSE, especially since we have no one to stop the nightkill altogether anymore, (which is a tracker is useless now btw) so if we do lynch Atog, it's either he flips scum, or he flips Town Loses.
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While most of D1 vote counts didn't reveal me anything good, Huntzilla's lynch wagon has Necard, Rhand and me asquestion marks. I'm not mafia and I doubt Necarg is. That leaves Rhand, whose approach to Huntzillas lynch made me wary. (I'll return to this later.)
Now, to D2...
@ZDS: How much BP do you have now? What was your starting BP?
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Yes I realise we are probably in mylo. And I also realise it's 4 to lynch, so no reason to freak out over one vote on someone.
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Its odd that atog is only around whenever a case is made against him. It happened with Gen also. Atogs activity levels exploded because gen started pushing him. Outside of that he (atog) seems to be fine just dissapearing until deadline when he suddenly comes in with his "case" when we are pressured by deadline rush.
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Re: my activity I did the same thing in GTC, which you and ZDS should know. Honestly it's just so much easier for the words to flow when there's someone to argue with
Stupid phone posting... anyways i was also going to add that you not getting hammered right away could just as easily be indicative of being scum yourself. And like i said at this point your lynch seems the best bet.
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If this game is over it baffles me who could be the pairing... zds i could agree with but i have no clue with whom... rhand would have been my guess but th3 way he is denying it even up to now makes me hesitate... it couldnt be bur... i mean that would require one hell of a bus gambit...
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@Rhand: I didnt feel it would have done much actually, you have seen Bur's game participation record of late (no offense Bur), he is likely to take to deadline to get anything done, and honestly i was feeling really good about the idea that statistically Atog has to a damn good chance of being scum, add to that the spat he had with Gen at the end of last Day and the way he tends to disappear only to return on deadline to puff and huff and yeah...
@Atog: Yeah you were like this in GTC somewhat but that game had drastically higher number of players so i took that to be an acceptable behavior somewhat then, this time around however with the lower player pool i felt it was to opportunistic of you (and yes im aware how odd that comes out from me who has basically been mia 50% of the game because of issues)
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Welp. GG guys, but I highly doubt that Bur is scum, and scum wouldn't bus themselves at this point.
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The other asterisk bearers looked at the corpse of Victor with dead eyes. He had been the one to lead the effort to expunge the group of traitors ever since the fairy was defeated, while Alternis took a back seat, focusing more on the administrative duties. "To see him commit suicide over his creation..” Alternis murmurs. “A tragic end, that is."
The rest of the asterisk holders reconvened in the Council Room after they buried the corpses of Victor and Victoria. There were only six remaining - the Lord DeRosso, Alternis, Artemia, Chairman Profiteur, DeRosa, and the white mage Holly Whyte. Everyone was either dead or escaped the country, into the neighboring Glanz empire.
With her sisters gone, Artemia was watching this all with a keen eye. She’d always been prowling the hallways silently at night, hoping to catch the murderer in the act so that she could stun them with one of her arrows. Her efforts had always came up futile, however. With Victor dead, she looked across the room. Five people. One - or more! - could be secretly allying with the fairy. She’d been waiting all this time for a chance. She finally took it.
Without warning, she fired multiple arrows at the Chairman. He’d always been a shifty figure - draining all the water out of Ancheim so that he could rake in the profits. The arrows pierced his arm and chest area, immobilizing him and dripping blood all over the floor. The chairman coughed up blood. “After her!” he yelled.
The retaliation was swift. DeRosa quickly cast Cura to repair the chairman’s injuries, and then cast a Thundaga which paralyzed Artemia. Alternis quickly used a Minus Strike, which ended her life right then and there.
Atogaholic has been lynched! He was:
“Nothing runs. Nothing escapes... As long as prey has pulse... Keep firing... Never miss... ...Never…”
A legion member who infiltrated Florem. She is a master archer who enjoys the thrill of battle, and lives to challenge powerful foes.
A seventeen-year-old girl from Eternia. Her name is Artemia Venus, holder of the ranger asterisk. She is the youngest of the Venus sisters, and worships her eldest sister to the point of neglecting all other relationships.
Likes: Einheria, worthy prey
Dislikes: Conversation, relationships, weak foes
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Atogaholic! You are Artemia, Ranger.
You are a Town Tracker, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Passive Abilities: Inside Information: You know the scum have a Ninja. The scum know that there is a tracker in the setup, who knows that they have a Ninja.
Active Abilities: Hawkeye: Each Night, you may target a player and track them, learning who they targeted that Night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
As soon as Artemia died, DeRosa felt a sharp dagger enter his back. “Wha-“ he stammered, before coughing up blood. The chairman was no more. In place of the bloodstained tux he wore was Kikyo, taking off her disguise. “So, it was you all along,” DeRosa whispered, as Kikyo removed her dagger. DeRosa’s red coat began to stain with even a darker shade of red.
Necarg has been endgamed and is dead. He was:
“Quiet in the back, thank you! Where was I? Ahh, yes. Techniques for getting ahead. Use every tool in reach till it crumbles to dust. That's how a man succeeds. Eh, dandy?”
Behind his ladies' man veneer, he has set multiple schemes in motion to ruin Florem's society based on Crystalist values.
A 38-year-old man of unknown origin. He full name is Fiore DeRosa, and he holds the red mage asterisk. He is slowly but surely corrupting the devout nation of Florem from within with his meticulous schemes.
Likes: Exploitable women, rising to power, fame
Dislikes: Children, stubborn underlings
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Necarg! You are Fiore DeRosa, Red Mage.
You are a Town Inventor, and begin with 3 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities: In The Red: Each Night, you may give target player an invention. You cannot use these abilities nor gift them to yourself. If you give out only one ability in a given Night, the recipient will also gain 1 BP.
Inventions (you have one of each): Revenge: You gain 1 BP every time someone targets you with an ability. Adrenaline: You gain 1 BP every time a player of the opposite alignment as you is lynched. An Eye for an Eye: You gain 1 BP every time you Brave and spent 2 or more BP.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
DeRosso tried to cast a Bone Crush to kill Kikyo, but Alternis deflected the spell. “And you too, Alternis?” DeRosso took a step back. He then chuckled to himself. “Ah.. no one would have suspected you. It’s no wonder that this operation of yours would succeed.” Alternis quickly fired a Dark Bane, but Holly Whyte countered it with a Protect. “It’s nice to see that I still have allies,” DeRosso said, and the four quickly engaged in a conflict.
Even though Alternis and Kikyo worked well together, DeRosso could not be underestimated. His Energy Burst put both of them on their toes, and he could barely be damaged due to Whyte’s protective magic. Their battle seemed to be at a stalemate, with neither side gaining ground.
Until the fairy showed up.
She’d been quickly observing the entire process in the Aurora of Darkness, holding on to the feeble connection to Ouroboros. She’d now been fully healed, and descended to the Council Room. Airy quickly ended the battle by using Slaughter, destroying Whyte and DeRosso.
Rhand and Bur have been endgamed and are dead. They were:
“Accept me and I shall grant life everlasting. Though it shall be filled with grief, thou shalt have all eternity to wreak vengeance upon thine enemies.”
Though Archduke of Eternia, he prefers the title Lord DeRosso. He is a man of mystery, with haunted, weary eyes.
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, fulcrum! You are Lester DeRosso, Vampire.
You are a Town BP Manager, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities: Battle Thirst: Each Night, you may target a player. If that player has at least 1 BP, you will steal 1 BP from them. (This resolves after Defaults.) White Wind: Each Night, you may target a player and give them 1 BP. This ability costs 0 BP. (However, you are still limited by the amount of BP you have to give.) You can't use it on the same person more than once each Night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
“She's dragged us all across this backwater for weeks. Surely I'm entitled to vent my frustrations? Hm hmm, but fear not. I'll see she's brought back from the brink each time. Though I fear my magic won't keep the girl's mind intact.”
The white mage who attacked Tiz with the monk Barras. She was later defeated at the southwest lake. Unstable and sadistic.
A 26-year-old woman from Eternia. Her name is Holly Whyte. She is keeper of the white mage asterisk. Though a healer of great skill, she is sadistic to the core. Hedonistic and capricious, she has a wanton personality.
Likes: Glamor, tough guys, wine
Dislikes: Pessimists, brats, innocence
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Rhand! You are Holly Whyte, White Mage.
You are a Town Bodyguard, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities: Protect: Each Night, you may target a player. If they are killed, you will die instead.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
With her job complete, Airy lifted the mind-control from both Kikyo and Alternis. For performing her duties so admirably, she could afford to let them live their puny lives out, past all of the connected worlds.
Sepiriel and ZeDorkSlipeur have been endgamed. They were:
“Vestal of the Wind Crystal, Agnès Oblige. Surrender at once, or see your companions slain.”
A knight encased in jet black armor. One of the Council of Six, and an old friend of Edea. He shattered the skystone on the Eschalot.
A twenty-three-year-old man of unknown origin. His name is Alternis Dim, bearer of the dark knight asterisk. Wearing jet black armor and wielding a dark blade, he is a solemn warrior who takes his duties very seriously.
Likes: Edea, coffee
Dislikes: Desserts, little girls, intellectuals
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Sepiriel! You are Alternis Dim, Dark Knight.
You are a Mafia Neighborizer, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Factional Abilities (faction as a whole may use each once per day/night cycle): Mafioso: You are a member of the Mafia, which consists of X (Airy), Y (Konoe Kikyo), and Z (Alternis Dim). You may talk to your fellow Mafioso using this QUICKTOPIC. Factional Kill: Each Night, the Mafia may send one of its players to kill another player. This action takes place outside of the BP system. When a mafia member performs the nightkill, they won't expend BP, but they won't gain it either from Defaulting.
Active Abilities: D's Journal: Each Night, you may target a player. You will gain a neighbor chat with that player to be used until the end of the next Day.
Win Condition: Control the lynch, or make it so that such control is inevitable.
Please confirm via PM.
“.....”
An assassin who leads the Black Blades' covert force. There are rumors that she became an expert at disguise due to her paralyzing shyness.
A 21-year-old woman from Eternia. Her full name is Konoe Kikyo, and she carries the ninja asterisk. When not disguised she stays silent, but in costume she speaks in a rapid torrent of words.
Likes: Make-up, collecting materials for her disguises
Dislikes: The fat feeb (Qada)
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, ZeDorkSlipeur! You are Konoe Kikyo, Ninja.
You are a Mafia Assassin, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Factional Abilities (faction as a whole may use each once per day/night cycle): Mafioso: You are a member of the Mafia, which consists of Huntzilla (Airy), ZeDorkSlipeur (Konoe Kikyo), and Sepiriel (Alternis Dim). You may talk to your fellow Mafioso using this QUICKTOPIC. Factional Kill: Each Night, the Mafia may send one of its players to kill another player. This action takes place outside of the BP system. When a mafia member performs the nightkill, they won't expend BP, but they won't gain it either from Defaulting.
Passive Abilities: Inside Information: You know that the town has a Tracker and they know that the mafia has a Ninja.
Active Abilities: Ikkikasei: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill pierces protection. Dual Wield: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill ignores roleblocks and redirects. Shippujinrai: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill can’t be seen by watchers or trackers.
Win Condition: Control the lynch, or make it so that such control is inevitable.
Please confirm via PM.
After having their mind control and memories stripped, Kikyo and Alternis fell down, unconscious, on the floor. Airy then went back to the Heroes of Light - Agnes, Tiz, Ringabel, and Edea, confident that Eternia’s resistance has fallen. The four quickly progressed through the Central Command, awakening the Earth Crystal in the Temple of Earth.
Pillar of Light
As Airy prepared to link the world she was already in with the previous ones she had already possessed, she smiled. She knew her master’s summoning was not too far at hand.
Honestly i had not realized i was able to hammer for the win, i only noticed when i was in a cab on my way to the mall and i just happened to check the cached page it really was pure luck.
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Oh bleh. I completely blame me for this loss. I should've stayed on ZDS.
Scum MVP = Sepiriel imo. That modgaming on Cythare in neighbour chat had me swayed to the degree I thought it had to be Atog with ZDS.
If anyone's to blame for this loss, it's me. The town was on the right track but I threw it for us by putting off doing analysis for way too long and directly telling the scum to hammer and win.
GGs to Sep and ZDS, they both played well. Personally I think ZDS deserves scum MVP, he put a LOT of effort into his posts, the only reason I even suspected him were the results of those posts and not the content. In fact even when I was 99% sure he was scum I still couldn't find anything scummy about his content. (Although that may be because almost everything I learned about scumhunting and mindsets is from the ZDS/proph mentor qt)
Town MVP is a little harder, I could see it going to Sir Chris for achieving the "townie dream" or Generic for catching Huntz and keeping up the thread's activity. Cythare was one night phase away from taking this with flying colors.. if he didn't self-hammer. Again I feel partially responsible for this since I was the one who extended the deadline (hoping to get ZDS lynched) when a no lynch might've won the game for us.
I liked the setup overall. The bp system was fun to play around without being overbearingly complex. Although, the 'vengeance' trinket might have been a tad overpowered. I am a little confused as to why people saw a tracker with setup info as scummy. I mean, why would scum ever claim that ?
agree with rhand, I was scum and i was dancing with joy when you talked about the ninja (whenever too much detail comes out it always feels contrived and scummy imo), add to that antny's implosion as VT as well as Gen's tunneling of you and you come out looking pretty scummy during late game.
I would totally give Chris or Gen the Town MVP, generic made a good point in the spectators chat you guys let me coast a lot due to my circumstances, while i am really glad as a player that you guys were understanding of my unexpected RL stuff i think that purely from an analytical standpoint you guys should have doubled down on me and lynched me since i was clearly not going to be as active as normal.
The game was really fun all things considered, i still maintain that was an insane amount of protections tho, oh and i still think Cyth's management of his role was subpar all things considered.
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I am happy I get a win, but my first scum game ever ended in epic failure for me. You can see my rationale in the spec chat about my circumstances, but Gen caught me, gotta give it to him. Good game everyone. I would vote ZDS for scum MVP and Atog for Town MVP. You had it pegged Atog, and I know you feel responsible, but the fact you knew what was going on with the scum team is big in my eyes. Otherwise, possibly Gen for nailing me. GG everyone.
I think my buddy Sepiriel's play was overall pretty solid, in spite of an atrocious Day 1. Sepiriel, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression you don't trust your ability to get far on your own (hence why you are reluctant to bus), or your ability to lead a town (hence why you tend to be on the defensive, even as town). To be completely honest, you do have these abilities. You made plenty of relevant-sounding observations during the game, and could have been the driving force behind several mislynches if you were less risk-averse. You convincing Rhand you were town (or at least making him seriously consider the possibility) was huge as well. Had you fumbled the neighbour chat, I doubt you would have been alive in the endgame. Trust yourself more: you are more competent than you (appear to) give yourself credit for.
You give me too much credit.
Yes im very risk averse because of low self-esteem/worth issues which pretty much means you nailed a lot of my mafia flaws down, basically i know what i should do but i lack the confidence to get it across.
One of the reasons i wanted Chris dead over Gen early on is exactly because i know having Gen alive longer brings forth a lot of town paranoia (its something i noticed with games he is in) which was an ambiance we couldnt have had with Chris alive.
Oh and one more thing when Huntz got nailed early and loran left before Night 1 i really panicked hahaha i was like "****! how do i do this? please someone teach me how to scum!!!!"
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Few questions: Against what was Kikyo's Duel Wield was supposed to be used? Against what Yulyana's Hresvelgr (immunity to all non-lethal actions) was supposed to be used? It just seemed like to cause more harm than good, since the only thing it would've prevented was Airy's Dark Abyss ("Roleblock")...
Otherwise, this whole BP system seemed pretty nice.
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Huntzilla, the tactic you used is the textbook definition of "active lurking". You interacted with most players but never in a meaningful way, and you only attacked a soft target (not counting the chain of OMGUSes at the end). This allowed you to be present, but irrelevant. This tactic is useful for making sure nobody notices you and to reduce the amount of information your death gives, but as you must have realised it also gives you no exit door once the town does notice you; and in the long run it is impossible to not get noticed at some point. While the scarcity of information your death gave did help me spout smart-sounding bull*****, that is not much of a victory. If your entire play is meant to prepare your death (consciously or unconsciously; I don't know if you decided to "active lurk" or if things just turned out this way, and it doesn't matter), you will die. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Another thing is your focus on Necarg, this game's complete newbie. This focus on him shows you are afraid to take on players you perceive as more experienced or outright better than you. This shows a severe lack of confidence, and this lack of confidence will cost you. You cannot afford to only focus on attacking super soft targets when you are scum, or else it will be stupidly easy to meta you into oblivion (unless you are like me and consider everybody a soft target by default, but you aren't there yet). My advice to you is: take risks, don't be afraid to challenge others or be challenged yourself.
Thank you ZDS. It is so refreshing to have someone actually willing to help out with us newer folks and aid in our growth as players. I will take these tips to heart, and use them to further my mafia playing career. Thank you again, and sincerely, great job helping us turn this game around into a scum team win.
As for my night actions I started the game with 1 bp. I was able to track every Night thanks to Necrag's Vengeance trinket, in fact I even have bp to track toNight again if we lynch right.
Ok, this means that Atog has been targeted twice since I gave her the ability (+1 BP every time you get targeted) along with 1 BP. Presumably Generic and... Someone else. It wasn't Fulcrum, or he would either have more BP or not enough BP, and Rhand doesn't have enough BP, so it was probably Vaimes.
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2) the GIP was the league game which finished now. Antny's behavior matched in those games, and he was a mason there.
I was gonna fish up that post for you, but apparently I never literally said it in thread. I thought I did somewhere with the Cythare vig claim arguing, but I guess I only did so in neighbour chat.
Also really sorry but im really busy and have very little time to check the game much right now.
Boat Soaring Through the Heavens
(4 to lynch)
ZeDorkSlipeur (1): Necarg
Abstain (5): ZeDorkSlipeur, Bur, Sepiriel, Rhand, Atogaholic
The deadline is on August 10th, four days from now!
Bur and Atogaholic have been prodded.
Because then a lynch will NEVER happen. Shouldn't it be four?
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It's 4 to lynch.
Expect to hear more soon.
I've given it some thought, and it makes more sense to lynch Atog toDay than ZDS.
If Atog is indeed scum, then he either flips tracker, making ZDS the only possible buddy (I don't think Sepi is Neighbourizer AND strongman). Or he flips something else, making Sepi confirmed scum (he needed Sepi as buddy to know that I targeted Vaimes.
vote Atog
You realise that we are most likely in MyLo at the moment?
If Atog is town then we
LOSE, especially since we have no one to stop the nightkill altogether anymore, (which is a tracker is useless now btw) so if we do lynch Atog, it's either he flips scum, or he flips Town Loses.
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While most of D1 vote counts didn't reveal me anything good, Huntzilla's lynch wagon has Necard, Rhand and me asquestion marks. I'm not mafia and I doubt Necarg is. That leaves Rhand, whose approach to Huntzillas lynch made me wary. (I'll return to this later.)
Now, to D2...
@ZDS: How much BP do you have now? What was your starting BP?
I do think Atog is most likely scum.
Reasoning seems deec.
Vote Atog
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Also, someone please unvote. I have more to read, and I'd prefer to not find out that someone hammered meanwhile.
Re: my activity I did the same thing in GTC, which you and ZDS should know. Honestly it's just so much easier for the words to flow when there's someone to argue with
Under the Duchy's Banner
(4 to lynch)
Atogaholic (3): Rhand, ZeDorkSlipeur, Necarg
Abstain (3): Bur, Sepiriel, Atogaholic
The deadline is on August 10th, three days from now!
I guess that's gg. Sad that it ended this way
Shrine Maiden's Prayer
(4 to lynch)
Atogaholic (3): Rhand, ZeDorkSlipeur, Necarg, Sepiriel
Abstain (2): Bur, Atogaholic
That is a lynch!
You may post until I post the lynch scene.
I guess it's Rhand/Sepi, am I right?
If I'm wrong and Atog flips scum, Sepi, use your neighbourising ability with ZDS (and if you have more BP, with me/Necarg).
@Atog: Yeah you were like this in GTC somewhat but that game had drastically higher number of players so i took that to be an acceptable behavior somewhat then, this time around however with the lower player pool i felt it was to opportunistic of you (and yes im aware how odd that comes out from me who has basically been mia 50% of the game because of issues)
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Serpent Eating the Ground
(6 to lynch)
Atogaholic (4): Rhand, ZeDorkSlipeur, Necarg, Sepiriel
Abstain (2): Bur, Atogaholic
Eternian Central Command
The other asterisk bearers looked at the corpse of Victor with dead eyes. He had been the one to lead the effort to expunge the group of traitors ever since the fairy was defeated, while Alternis took a back seat, focusing more on the administrative duties. "To see him commit suicide over his creation..” Alternis murmurs. “A tragic end, that is."
The rest of the asterisk holders reconvened in the Council Room after they buried the corpses of Victor and Victoria. There were only six remaining - the Lord DeRosso, Alternis, Artemia, Chairman Profiteur, DeRosa, and the white mage Holly Whyte. Everyone was either dead or escaped the country, into the neighboring Glanz empire.
With her sisters gone, Artemia was watching this all with a keen eye. She’d always been prowling the hallways silently at night, hoping to catch the murderer in the act so that she could stun them with one of her arrows. Her efforts had always came up futile, however. With Victor dead, she looked across the room. Five people. One - or more! - could be secretly allying with the fairy. She’d been waiting all this time for a chance. She finally took it.
Without warning, she fired multiple arrows at the Chairman. He’d always been a shifty figure - draining all the water out of Ancheim so that he could rake in the profits. The arrows pierced his arm and chest area, immobilizing him and dripping blood all over the floor. The chairman coughed up blood. “After her!” he yelled.
The retaliation was swift. DeRosa quickly cast Cura to repair the chairman’s injuries, and then cast a Thundaga which paralyzed Artemia. Alternis quickly used a Minus Strike, which ended her life right then and there.
Atogaholic has been lynched! He was:
“Nothing runs. Nothing escapes... As long as prey has pulse... Keep firing... Never miss... ...Never…”
A legion member who infiltrated Florem. She is a master archer who enjoys the thrill of battle, and lives to challenge powerful foes.
A seventeen-year-old girl from Eternia. Her name is Artemia Venus, holder of the ranger asterisk. She is the youngest of the Venus sisters, and worships her eldest sister to the point of neglecting all other relationships.
Likes: Einheria, worthy prey
Dislikes: Conversation, relationships, weak foes
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Atogaholic! You are Artemia, Ranger.
You are a Town Tracker, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Inside Information: You know the scum have a Ninja. The scum know that there is a tracker in the setup, who knows that they have a Ninja.
Active Abilities:
Hawkeye: Each Night, you may target a player and track them, learning who they targeted that Night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
As soon as Artemia died, DeRosa felt a sharp dagger enter his back. “Wha-“ he stammered, before coughing up blood. The chairman was no more. In place of the bloodstained tux he wore was Kikyo, taking off her disguise. “So, it was you all along,” DeRosa whispered, as Kikyo removed her dagger. DeRosa’s red coat began to stain with even a darker shade of red.
Necarg has been endgamed and is dead. He was:
“Quiet in the back, thank you! Where was I? Ahh, yes. Techniques for getting ahead. Use every tool in reach till it crumbles to dust. That's how a man succeeds. Eh, dandy?”
Behind his ladies' man veneer, he has set multiple schemes in motion to ruin Florem's society based on Crystalist values.
A 38-year-old man of unknown origin. He full name is Fiore DeRosa, and he holds the red mage asterisk. He is slowly but surely corrupting the devout nation of Florem from within with his meticulous schemes.
Likes: Exploitable women, rising to power, fame
Dislikes: Children, stubborn underlings
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Necarg! You are Fiore DeRosa, Red Mage.
You are a Town Inventor, and begin with 3 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
In The Red: Each Night, you may give target player an invention. You cannot use these abilities nor gift them to yourself. If you give out only one ability in a given Night, the recipient will also gain 1 BP.
Inventions (you have one of each):
Revenge: You gain 1 BP every time someone targets you with an ability.
Adrenaline: You gain 1 BP every time a player of the opposite alignment as you is lynched.
An Eye for an Eye: You gain 1 BP every time you Brave and spent 2 or more BP.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
Even though Alternis and Kikyo worked well together, DeRosso could not be underestimated. His Energy Burst put both of them on their toes, and he could barely be damaged due to Whyte’s protective magic. Their battle seemed to be at a stalemate, with neither side gaining ground.
Until the fairy showed up.
She’d been quickly observing the entire process in the Aurora of Darkness, holding on to the feeble connection to Ouroboros. She’d now been fully healed, and descended to the Council Room. Airy quickly ended the battle by using Slaughter, destroying Whyte and DeRosso.
Rhand and Bur have been endgamed and are dead. They were:
“Accept me and I shall grant life everlasting. Though it shall be filled with grief, thou shalt have all eternity to wreak vengeance upon thine enemies.”
Though Archduke of Eternia, he prefers the title Lord DeRosso. He is a man of mystery, with haunted, weary eyes.
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, fulcrum! You are Lester DeRosso, Vampire.
You are a Town BP Manager, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Battle Thirst: Each Night, you may target a player. If that player has at least 1 BP, you will steal 1 BP from them. (This resolves after Defaults.)
White Wind: Each Night, you may target a player and give them 1 BP. This ability costs 0 BP. (However, you are still limited by the amount of BP you have to give.) You can't use it on the same person more than once each Night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
“She's dragged us all across this backwater for weeks. Surely I'm entitled to vent my frustrations? Hm hmm, but fear not. I'll see she's brought back from the brink each time. Though I fear my magic won't keep the girl's mind intact.”
The white mage who attacked Tiz with the monk Barras. She was later defeated at the southwest lake. Unstable and sadistic.
A 26-year-old woman from Eternia. Her name is Holly Whyte. She is keeper of the white mage asterisk. Though a healer of great skill, she is sadistic to the core. Hedonistic and capricious, she has a wanton personality.
Likes: Glamor, tough guys, wine
Dislikes: Pessimists, brats, innocence
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Rhand! You are Holly Whyte, White Mage.
You are a Town Bodyguard, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Protect: Each Night, you may target a player. If they are killed, you will die instead.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
Sepiriel and ZeDorkSlipeur have been endgamed. They were:
“Vestal of the Wind Crystal, Agnès Oblige. Surrender at once, or see your companions slain.”
A knight encased in jet black armor. One of the Council of Six, and an old friend of Edea. He shattered the skystone on the Eschalot.
A twenty-three-year-old man of unknown origin. His name is Alternis Dim, bearer of the dark knight asterisk. Wearing jet black armor and wielding a dark blade, he is a solemn warrior who takes his duties very seriously.
Likes: Edea, coffee
Dislikes: Desserts, little girls, intellectuals
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Sepiriel! You are Alternis Dim, Dark Knight.
You are a Mafia Neighborizer, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Factional Abilities (faction as a whole may use each once per day/night cycle):
Mafioso: You are a member of the Mafia, which consists of X (Airy), Y (Konoe Kikyo), and Z (Alternis Dim). You may talk to your fellow Mafioso using this QUICKTOPIC.
Factional Kill: Each Night, the Mafia may send one of its players to kill another player. This action takes place outside of the BP system. When a mafia member performs the nightkill, they won't expend BP, but they won't gain it either from Defaulting.
Active Abilities:
D's Journal: Each Night, you may target a player. You will gain a neighbor chat with that player to be used until the end of the next Day.
Win Condition: Control the lynch, or make it so that such control is inevitable.
Please confirm via PM.
“.....”
An assassin who leads the Black Blades' covert force. There are rumors that she became an expert at disguise due to her paralyzing shyness.
A 21-year-old woman from Eternia. Her full name is Konoe Kikyo, and she carries the ninja asterisk. When not disguised she stays silent, but in costume she speaks in a rapid torrent of words.
Likes: Make-up, collecting materials for her disguises
Dislikes: The fat feeb (Qada)
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, ZeDorkSlipeur! You are Konoe Kikyo, Ninja.
You are a Mafia Assassin, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Factional Abilities (faction as a whole may use each once per day/night cycle):
Mafioso: You are a member of the Mafia, which consists of Huntzilla (Airy), ZeDorkSlipeur (Konoe Kikyo), and Sepiriel (Alternis Dim). You may talk to your fellow Mafioso using this QUICKTOPIC.
Factional Kill: Each Night, the Mafia may send one of its players to kill another player. This action takes place outside of the BP system. When a mafia member performs the nightkill, they won't expend BP, but they won't gain it either from Defaulting.
Passive Abilities:
Inside Information: You know that the town has a Tracker and they know that the mafia has a Ninja.
Active Abilities:
Ikkikasei: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill pierces protection.
Dual Wield: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill ignores roleblocks and redirects.
Shippujinrai: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill can’t be seen by watchers or trackers.
Win Condition: Control the lynch, or make it so that such control is inevitable.
Please confirm via PM.
Pillar of Light
As Airy prepared to link the world she was already in with the previous ones she had already possessed, she smiled. She knew her master’s summoning was not too far at hand.
“Back to Ouroboros."
Bravely Default has ended in a mafia victory.
Yay!!! Mafia win! Congrats ZDS the win is in big part thanks to you.
Scum MVP = Sepiriel imo. That modgaming on Cythare in neighbour chat had me swayed to the degree I thought it had to be Atog with ZDS.
GGs to Sep and ZDS, they both played well. Personally I think ZDS deserves scum MVP, he put a LOT of effort into his posts, the only reason I even suspected him were the results of those posts and not the content. In fact even when I was 99% sure he was scum I still couldn't find anything scummy about his content. (Although that may be because almost everything I learned about scumhunting and mindsets is from the ZDS/proph mentor qt)
Town MVP is a little harder, I could see it going to Sir Chris for achieving the "townie dream" or Generic for catching Huntz and keeping up the thread's activity. Cythare was one night phase away from taking this with flying colors.. if he didn't self-hammer. Again I feel partially responsible for this since I was the one who extended the deadline (hoping to get ZDS lynched) when a no lynch might've won the game for us.
I liked the setup overall. The bp system was fun to play around without being overbearingly complex. Although, the 'vengeance' trinket might have been a tad overpowered. I am a little confused as to why people saw a tracker with setup info as scummy. I mean, why would scum ever claim that ?
I would totally give Chris or Gen the Town MVP, generic made a good point in the spectators chat you guys let me coast a lot due to my circumstances, while i am really glad as a player that you guys were understanding of my unexpected RL stuff i think that purely from an analytical standpoint you guys should have doubled down on me and lynched me since i was clearly not going to be as active as normal.
The game was really fun all things considered, i still maintain that was an insane amount of protections tho, oh and i still think Cyth's management of his role was subpar all things considered.
You give me too much credit.
Yes im very risk averse because of low self-esteem/worth issues which pretty much means you nailed a lot of my mafia flaws down, basically i know what i should do but i lack the confidence to get it across.
One of the reasons i wanted Chris dead over Gen early on is exactly because i know having Gen alive longer brings forth a lot of town paranoia (its something i noticed with games he is in) which was an ambiance we couldnt have had with Chris alive.
Oh and one more thing when Huntz got nailed early and loran left before Night 1 i really panicked hahaha i was like "****! how do i do this? please someone teach me how to scum!!!!"
Few questions: Against what was Kikyo's Duel Wield was supposed to be used? Against what Yulyana's Hresvelgr (immunity to all non-lethal actions) was supposed to be used? It just seemed like to cause more harm than good, since the only thing it would've prevented was Airy's Dark Abyss ("Roleblock")...
Otherwise, this whole BP system seemed pretty nice.
Thank you ZDS. It is so refreshing to have someone actually willing to help out with us newer folks and aid in our growth as players. I will take these tips to heart, and use them to further my mafia playing career. Thank you again, and sincerely, great job helping us turn this game around into a scum team win.