You expect me as the person who caused huntzilla to be lynched to assume he had targeted me?
Hahahahaha....
Ok let's break that down shall we cythare.
I'm town. And I was the reason he got found out. And he flipped scum. So one would assume as he went down like a sack of shot he would give his mates a fighting chance... Under this scenario why would I immediately think it was huntzilla?
Your supposed scenario... I'm scum, out of nowhere decided to throw a useful teammate under a bus for a bit of cred that I didn't in fact need at that point with Rhand and sir Chris working with me, I would then accept a parting gift from said teammate but I wouldn't utilise the claim you made of being targeted by him immediately, instead choosing to be part of your lynch, wait for it to have a few votes leave it, dance around asking people whether they targeted me or not (for info? Saying no to targeting me tells me what about a players role again?) to then come at you when you had a ready made excuse anyway with the double target that as his teammate I would already know?
Yeah, this is t even a reach, it's just badly conceived as a plan for a counter wagon.
This. Generic didn't need credibility. Generic hasn't acted suspicious AT ALL this game. You guys all say I'm town, although there's another BP giver in the game that's also "confirmed town", and I've done TONS of suspicious crap. Generic has done little to none, is just as much "confirmed town" as me, and is extremely useful to the town fight. So, why is anyone who is town even starting to consider voting Generic?
Cythare is the correct lynch here. Let's get today over with.
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I think I'm going to default tonight. I only have 1 BP, so I want to be a bit more conservative.
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I think it's very likely hunt gave BP to Generic and Cythare to frame them, especially since they both willingly came forward with the information. Sepiriel would have been a much better lynch when he didn't explain his problem with Rhand's plan and wasted resources.
About as infuriating as being attacked out of nowhere with terrible logic times suspiciously...
The claimed certainty to push with such a bad argument in the hope that a quick lunch might be possible so close to deadline... And I'm supposed to respect it?
Ain't happening.
No, but your tone and word choices blur the line between not respecting the case and actually trolling/mocking the player (in this case me). There's a difference, and it's important.
I think it's very likely hunt gave BP to Generic and Cythare to frame them, especially since they both willingly came forward with the information. Sepiriel would have been a much better lynch when he didn't explain his problem with Rhand's plan and wasted resources.
Ah okay, so huntz gave bp to two of the strongest town roles and conveniently had it never backfire against his team. Also, when looking for targets to get mislynched he chose Generic, who he had been praising for impeccable mafia skills since pregame. No contradictions here.
Cythare, if you have a blank space you don't write your own name, especially as potentially the best pr left..
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Whatever though, I'm fine with humoring generic and tracking him tonight. Though I'm curious how you're so sure I have bp - did ZDS rolecop me or something ?
I do indeed believe that your team has a rolecop, and you used it on vaimes n1. The other member most likely has some kind of ability that stealths his kill and makes it unblock able. Since I'm reading Rhand and sep as town, the rolecop on vaimes is how you knew to use the unblock able kill on him. Am I right so far ?
When does a man die ? Is it when he's nightkilled, or lynched, or vigged ? No, it's when he is forgotten. Kill me if you want, but at long as someone else has intent to lynch you my spirit will live on.
After news arrived of the sage’s death, the remaining members of the Council of Six were taken aback. They knew that the cursed fairy had potent powers, but they didn’t expect that she was going to continue playing a part in this crisis when she had only been defeated days ago. No normal human could hope to do battle against the Sage and live to tell the tale - the fact that he was killed signifies that something supernatural is at work here.
Due to the Grand Marshal’s death, Eternian asterisk holders have been moving in and out of position. Amidst the chaos, the wind vestal easily restored the crystals of Wind and Water.
"The vestal plans to restore the Fire Crystal next," Alternis Dim said to the rest of the Council, which consisted of DeRosso, Victoria, and Victor. “As we know from the Sage’s death, we can’t safeguard members of the Council of Six if the enemy continues to behave that way. As a result, I propose to shelter all remaining asterisk bearers in the Central Command.”
Victor ponders this for a moment. “This could help us root out the fairy’s forces more quickly. They’d be hard pressed to assassinate someone in the Central Command, and we can use our combined forces to defeat them once we figure them out. I agree, Alternis."
“Very well, then. Sheltering everyone at the Central Command allows us to prepare and defend the Earth Crystal from the wind vestal’s attacks. Let us do it.”
As it turns out, most of the asterisk bearers were already in Eternia. It was understandable, however; once the fairy appeared, some region-wide incidents had occurred. The Harena region suffered from a lack of water, and the Florem region had severe problems with the proliferation of Florie fairies, which had driven some of the citizens mad. Only the Black Blades needed to be picked up from the Eisen region, after they
All of the asterisk bearers stepped into the Council Room of the Central Command. “I’m sure why all of you are wondering why we called you here, for a rare all-Eternian forces meeting. The reasons for this are simple. One, the wind vestal has been restoring the crystals among all of this chaos. They will quickly free the Fire Crystal at this rate, but that’s not as important compared to the crystal we guard. Secondly, our plan to safeguard some of the more important members of the Council of Six has failed, and the people who are working under the fairy’s command have potent tools at their disposal. We need to contain the destruction in here until this problem is resolved."
Most of the asterisk bearers were in agreement, but Cythare had the urge to speak out. “That sounds all well and good, but how do we find the ones that are under the fairy’s control?"
Victor this time spoke, with a smile. “By interrogation.
How about we use you as an example?"
Victor probed Cythare with question after question. Cythare, living a life on the streets with his band of ruffians, had no exposure to these types of questions, and as a result flubbed every single one.
“Uh, I, I-“ On the fifth question Cythare tried to stammer out, Victor cleared his throat. “Well, there you have it. I knew that it would take some time to find out who was under the fairy’s influence, but to think we could find one so easily..!” Victor readied his Holy spell. “Time to die.” Victoria readied Poison. "You, a mere thief, dare hinder my every move!”
“W-wait!” Cythare screamed in protest. But every other asterisk holder prepared to fight as well, lest they be the ones who died instead. A swinging of swords and a awesome collusion of magic soon eliminated Cythare.
Cythare has been lynched. He was:
“The city just took and took till they had nothing left. Their own brat became a burden, so they dumped him like a bag of sand! Daft, eh? Absolutely stupid. If surviving means pinching from other folk, I'll happily join the takers!”
The leader of a band of several dozen cold-hearted thieves that call Harena Ruins home. He is constantly thirsty and irritated.
A 16-year-old boy hailing from Ancheim. His real name is not known. He holds the thief asterisk. He was taken in by thieves as a young boy, gradually rising up the ranks through his accomplished thievery and sheer recklessness.
Likes: Water, isolation
Dislikes: Thirst, reasoning, raw vegetables
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Cythare! You are The Jackal, Thief.
You are a Town Vigilante, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities: Godspeed Strike: Each Night, you may target a player and pay X BP. (Keep in mind that 1 BP is expended each time you activate this ability). If X is greater than or equal to your target’s BP, they die.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
It is now Night 3. Please send me your night actions within 72 hours!
Immediately after the death of Jackal, Victor told the rest of the asterisk bearers to retire to their lodgings within Eternia. Once they left, Victor and the other members of the Council of Six had a meeting to determine how to proceed next.
During this time, Victor excused himself for a bit and went down to some of the lower floors of the Central Command. He was having an epiphany - for once, he finally realized how grave the situation had become. The number of asterisk bearers had been decreasing ever since the Grand Marshal had died. From the bombing of Barbarossa’s airship to the news of the Sage being offed in the woods, as well as the bloodthirsty attitude he had when he ordered the execution of the Jackal - it all came crashing down on him. Has Victoria’s influence been rubbing off on him? “There are only a few more of us left,” he muttered to himself. “We need to be excruciatingly careful on the next day.”
Victor boarded the elevator back to the central room and opened the door. The rest of the Council of Six - Victoria, DeRosso, and Alternis - looked at him. “We should all get some rest,” Victor said. “It’ll give us a chance for reflection, and we’ve been at it for far too long today. I myself just had a chance to collect my thoughts, and I’ll need more time to mull on the matter.” DeRosso clears his throat. “I agree, but I have one question, Victor. How do you feel about the Jackal’s death?"
“I regret it, DeRosso,” Victor says, with an intense look on his face. “I realize the events one hour ago were.. unbecoming of me. I have just finally came to recognize it myself, as a matter of fact."
DeRosso smiles. “Very well. Let us retire.” Alternis nods.
Once Victor and Victoria walked out of the Council Room, he hears a shrieking noise. “Ar..argh…nng…nhh!” Victoria sinks to the ground, paralyzed. “Nhh…agh..nh..ahh…aaagh!”
Victor stops. “Of course it would have to be now..” he grimaces. “At least we’re near the chamber.” He picks up Victoria and slams his fist onto the elevator. It quickly descended to the first floor.
Victor quickly ran to the white magic stasis chamber and dropped Victoria in. He takes a look at the knob. “At this rate, she won’t be good until morning,” he thinks to himself. Knowing that he kept Victoria safe from her seizures, he calls up a squadron of knights to protect him in front of his room. Victor has a hard time going to sleep because of the situation at hand, but he sleeps regardless.
Victor wakes up to an alarm blaring. “Oh no!” he thinks to himself. He dashes out of his room and picks up a dagger to defend himself with, along with his trusty staff. He sees the knights gone and he hops down the stairs, close to where the alarm’s sound is ringing. As he descends, a looming fear dawns over him. “It can’t be.. Victoria..”
As he comes down to the stasis chamber, his worst fears are confirmed. The chamber in which Victoria is kept at is strewn apart, with water everywhere, and Victoria right in front, gasping. “Ugh.. I wish you’d all drop dead…” she mutters with her last breath.
“Victoria..? Victoria!” Victor screams. In an act of desperation, he grabs his dagger and punctures his chest. “Grant.. me.. the gift of death,” he wheezes. “I now go by her side."
Generic has been killed. He was:
“Just so, Victoria. Just so.”
His keen mind and knowledge of white magic stood out since his youth, and his work made Eternia known as a land of everlasting life.
A 25-year-old man from Ancheim. Going by the name Victor S. Court, he is the holder of the spiritmaster asterisk. He has been well-versed in white magic since his youth, earning him great respect. He is in charge of the arcanist Victoria's treatment.
Likes: Victoria, tea
Dislikes: Crying children, neglected health, folk remedies
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Generic! You are Victor S. Court, Spiritmaster.
You are a Town Doctor, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities: Stillness: Each Night, you may target a player and protect them from a kill.
A. A town player (or at least a good one) that is a bodyguard would guard the best player and the most important role this game. Rhand didn't, or at least failed to. This brings me into my second point.
B. Vaimes. It would be incredibly easy to stage Vaimes death with connections to Atog or Sepiriel. I highly doubt there is a strongman, but there is in a way: a lying bodyguard. It's incredibly easy to just say, "Oh, there's a strongman." Especially when there's no proof surrounding the claim. Generic apparently was never actually irked by the actions of a strongman, which is alarmingly odd.
C. There's a dead doctor. Now with the knowledge that there indeed WAS a doctor, Rhand's bodyguard claim seems more and more unlikely. I seriously doubt that there are 2 roles that are near identical to each other.
D. If you haven't, read my list of everyone's claims/revealed roles. They are split into 4 groups of 3.
The BP givers: Fulcrum, myself, and Hunt, one of which was scum, and (presumably) two of which are town.
Protectors (in any way, shape, or form.): Rhand, Generic, and Vaimes, two of which are town, and (presumably) one of which is scum.
Misc.: Cythare, Atog, and Sepiriel, (presumably) two of which are town, and (presumably) one of which is scum.
VT's: ZDS, Sir Chris, and Antny, all of which (presumably) are inherently town.
In each non-VT group, there should be 1 mafia and 2 town. Rhand has to be the scum of the second group, if my theory is correct.
All signs lead to Rhand being scum. Let's lynch him and move on.
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Yeh and I would totally kill Generic if I were scum
I defaulted last Night because I had no BP.
And I wouldn't have protected Generic even if I could. I had every intention of voting him toDay with Cythare's flip.
If he's town, the most important person toDay would be Atog. What makes you think it was Generic?
The most important role in the game was Vaimes, and him I did try to protect.
In your list of claims, you should add "investigators", being Vaimes and Atog.
I just want to point out that im so incredibly pissed with the Cyth results, for a simple reason, his posted rationale for his role use makes no sense!
He started the game with 2 BP (you can even say that he kinda lied with the way he reacted when i posted my breakdown of actions to him and he was all 'oh i dont want to state my remaining BP') and he was given an extra BP because of Huntz and made to Brave (3 BP and could shot for 2), which was basically what he would have ended up claiming to do on N2 yet somehow he still decided he didnt want to shoot and instead shot for 0 his secondary target, this was so subpar in my mind, he could have shot his primary target for 2 since shooting for 3 was the highest he could go for anyways, also probability wise he had a good chance of hitting targets if he did it for 2 (with the information now available to us we even know he would have 100% hit), i mean its great for us since he ended up not causing town casualties but his reasoning and defense afterwards was one of the mayor reasons why i was scum reading him so badly to begin with.
I need to wrap my head around the Gen kill and what that means overall... this is a crazy amount of claimed protection in the game so far...
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Yeh and I would totally kill Generic if I were scum
I defaulted last Night because I had no BP.
And I wouldn't have protected Generic even if I could. I had every intention of voting him toDay with Cythare's flip.
If he's town, the most important person toDay would be Atog. What makes you think it was Generic?
The most important role in the game was Vaimes, and him I did try to protect.
In your list of claims, you should add "investigators", being Vaimes and Atog.
The last two scum are in Atog, ZDS and Sepiriel.
Yes, you would? You had intentions to vote him today, so why wouldn't you kill him last night to save time?
The most important role at this stage of the game was Generic, as he could completely f**k up a lylo situation for the scum.
And we're at a lylo. A tracker is worth jack all in a lylo.
You do realize the list is divided into 4 groups of 3? Because Vaimes + Atog =/= 3.
I do believe there is a scum in atog and sepiriel. So we agree on something.
My vote stays on you because I don't believe there should be 3 levels of protection in a single game, or at least 3 levels of town protection.
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It's not because there shouldn't that there aren't. And scum clearly has tools to avoid them.
I agree though that I wasn't expecting it with the vig flipping town. Which is why I wouldn't have protected Generic if I could: I thought he was scum.
Why do you think a tracker isn't useful in lylo?
Your first statement is just nonsense. The only correct play for a scum!me would've been to keep Generic alive in the hopes he gets mislynched over me. If I was scum, killing him would only lead to my own lynch.
(Which probably is why scum killed him: the doc dead and an easy mislynch as bonus)
I tracked Generic last night. He targeted me and Fulcrum.
I also tracked ZDS last night as well. I actually had 2 bp yesterDay (which is why I was certain scum targeted me with something). I got the result that he didn't target anyone.
So.. my reads from yesterDay are pretty much in tatters. I think now there has to be one scum between Rhand and Sepiriel. Based on my short-term memory I think sep is more likely scum out of the two of them. There's also ZDS, although the main basis of why I thought he was scum yesterday is gone he still isn't clear. Either way, I plan hope to do some serious analysis on all of them before this Day ends.
1: Proph creates the chat
2: I comment on Chris's death and ask Sep if he created the chat
3: Sep says he paid bp to make the chat. He says he doesn't know how to play the role. he prefers to chat with someone more analytical over using it as a tool to catch scum. He asks me to convince him I'm town. He says the good thing about the Chris death is that we don't lose a pr.
4: I ask if Sep made me lose a BP
5: he says no, thinks it's fulcrum
6: Sep deduces that fulcrum started with 2 bp, using one to boost vaimes and one to make me lose one, but says he's not sure that is what happened
7: I explain that at first I thought scum stole my BP, but that the new reactions on my Hunt vote might mean it was town that did it. Then I explain that I don't understand why people dislike my hunt vote and explain my reasoning again. I call people weird sometimes.
8: Sep apologises for being slow in responding. He agrees that people can be weird. He explains that he understands ZDS attacking him but says he can't defend against it because he was simply confused.
9: I tell him that it can be though to decide if such people are town honestly attacking or are scum setting a trap
10: Sep gets confused by ZDS's tone which goes from agressive to passive. He is on the fence when it comes to Generic but thinks it's best to see more before posting his feelings in thread.
11: Sep apologizes for late posting again
12: I say I townread Generic but am unsure as always on him. I say I don't like ZDS.
13: I ask for a read on Cythare
14: Sep points me to #487 and explains he didn't see anything that caught the eye.
15: I ask for input on #491
16: he thinks especially he last line makes Cythare look bad. (it's about the Hunt wagon and not joining it while giving justification to join it)
17: Sep is confused on Cythare's use of the word 'rider'
18: I am guessing Cythare cannot brave
19: I find it suspicious that Cythare won't be able to prove he's vig for another night because of bp
20: I say that I think scum are Cythare + ZDS or Cythare + Sep
21: Sep jokes about me having him in my possible scum hurts him. He talks about Cythare's claim using the mafia equivalent role name
22: I say I'll reread Fulcrum because if Cythare is scum, that loss of 1 BP was very suspicious
23: I think Fulcrum's counterclaim was genuine but don't like that she's so sure about Hunt's scumflip while ignoring Necarg's claim
24: I say that rereading Huntzilla and his interactions do clear Fulcrum, as well as Necarg and somewhat Generic
25: I add Vaimes to that list, leaving only ZDS, Atog, Cythare, Antny and Sepiriel
26: I say that if I'm right about Cythare, the buddy is probably Sep
27: Sep says he doesn't mind getting lynched if we hit scum with Cythare
28: Sep asks Proph for where in the order of Night actions Fulcrum's steal goes, because he thinks he can prove mechanically that Cythare is lying (assuming I started with 1 BP)
29: I confirm I had 1 BP. I am townreading Sep now
30: Sep goes deeper in the modgaming
31: Sep realises that Cythare's ability maybe failed because of a protect and is afraid that coming forward with the modgaming would out a protective role
32: Sep says that Proph responded that the loss of bp is 'anything else'. The modgaming fails.
33: I say that Sep can't be scum with Cythare now. I ask him about ZDS and Generic as options
34: Generic's counterclaim of Cythare receiving Hunt's BP looks like a typical Generic bus to me. I ask Sep if he has time to check that meta.
35: I warn Sep not to post about it before having proof. I make a plan for the Night: I tell Sep I am bodyguard with 1 BP and will protect zds if Cythare flips scum. Sep then activates daychat with ZDS because he's the strongest player in the game not called Generic and my protect gives him certain daychat. If Cythare flips town, I protect Vaimes.
36: I add that the person he ends up chatting with will be confirmed town if I die.
37: Sep says he'll try to look for examples on Generic. He repeats he thinks ZDS's active/passive behavior is odd and that he is unsure on Generic. He says he has no problems with my plan because it helps lowering POE
38: I say the game makes me insane because midgaming turns out impossible
39: I repeat that I think Sep is town now, to the degree that I would've considered a masons gambit.
40: Sepiriel apologizes for absence
41: I ask permission to out Sep's ability
42: Sep says ok
43: I say Atog is a good lynch and that Cythare has to vig to clear himself. I say I think Generic is town if Cythare is town because scum!Generic wouldn't have counterclaimed. I say scumteam is pribably Atog and ZDS with small chance of Vaimes, Fulcrum and Necarg but I think they're all town. If Cythare dies flip scum, I think it's Cythare + Generic
44: Sep doesn't like Atog's stance
45: I announce that I'm protecting Vaimes
46: Night starts
Okay, that's enough to convince me that the mason chat really happened. This means that it's unlikely that Rhand and Sepiriel are scum together. And it's also unlikley that Fulcrum or Necrag are scum - which makes ZDS my top scumspect by poe. He's the first person I'll reread.
@ZDS: I thought the vig was scum with all this protection in town. But with him flipping town, I thought Generic did a clumsy fake counterclaim, missing Vaimes' protective side. Obviously I was wrong. The league game that just ended influenced that immensely, but in hindsight I shouldn't base modgaming in one game on another game.
ZDS is a weird target choice for Sepiriel with Cythare flipping town. Pure POE makes the chances he's scum pretty big.
(iirc, Sep thinks Fulcrum and Necarg are town. His POE should consist of me, Atog and ZDS. Why choose in the POE side?)
ZDS + Atog or Sepiriel + Atog seem to be the only options now. Unless Sepiriel targetted his buddy as a gambit.
@Fulcrum: if we manage to lynch scum toDay, I would love an extra BP so I can protect 2 players. With a bit of luck that should remove me from the POE. (hoping that we either lynch the strongman or that he's out of BP to activate his ability)
Sorry guys i've been really busy (doing some red cross training, and im doing EMT training soon in august) and outside of phone posting i didnt feel i could do much more (and i honestly hate phone posting in the forum right now).
First of all let me confirm the contents of Rhands chat posting (a few things seem a bit downplayed but overall the contents are accurate).
As for Why i chose ZDS for the chat, Rhand you basically answer yourself: i went after someone i wasnt sure about, yes like i told you when we chatted i am not confident that i can catch a scum with my role any more than i can as a VT but if anything i think its best to talk to someone im not clear about since that way i can convince myself whether that person is really scummy or not.
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We lost the best town player on our team, and the second best at this point isn't posting relevant content anymore. Anyone find that odd?Everyone was rightly suspicious of Loran, because he played poorly, but then gave ZDS a town pass when he posted good content. He defended Cythare to give him town cred at the point where it could be most vital, and knew that Generic was the most important town player.
Vote ZDS
We hve no idea what we're doing, but a shot in the dark is still better than just letting the scum kill us.
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ZDS + Atog is where I am at now btw. Sepiriel just doesn't make sense. Compiling that neighbour chat made my townread on him stronger, and the posts he's making today, excusing himself for being absent, all have content in them on top of that. Scum would just be "Manders busy" (posting absences with reason without added content).
Fulcrum is 100% town for the counterclaim of Huntzilla.
Necarg's counterclaim was a little uncalled for, but still makes him most probably town.
So poe points to ZDS and Atog.
Atog's claim of insider info in the scumteam just reeks. I've never ever seen someone get info on the scum roles in their role pm. The only thing that boggles my mind is how he knew that I targetted Vaimes. So for him to be scum, he either has to be a tracker indeed or be scum with Sepiriel. Or good at guessing.
ZDS, i feel, would've brought a lot more analysis to this game as town. We are in lylo and he's not even trying to solve the game. He seems to be content under the radar, which is not where he should be.
ZDS + Atog is where I am at now btw. Sepiriel just doesn't make sense. Compiling that neighbour chat made my townread on him stronger, and the posts he's making today, excusing himself for being absent, all have content in them on top of that. Scum would just be "Manders busy" (posting absences with reason without added content).
Fulcrum is 100% town for the counterclaim of Huntzilla.
Necarg's counterclaim was a little uncalled for, but still makes him most probably town.
So poe points to ZDS and Atog.
Atog's claim of insider info in the scumteam just reeks. I've never ever seen someone get info on the scum roles in their role pm. The only thing that boggles my mind is how he knew that I targetted Vaimes. So for him to be scum, he either has to be a tracker indeed or be scum with Sepiriel. Or good at guessing.
ZDS, i feel, would've brought a lot more analysis to this game as town. We are in lylo and he's not even trying to solve the game. He seems to be content under the radar, which is not where he should be.
So much /barn
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I find it so odd that rhands post basically hard pushes atog as his choice but then votes ZDS because how he feels ZDS should be playing, his reasoning of why vaimes was picked for the kill is also odd he admits that it could be a coincidence but does so in such a dismissive way.
Where is fulcrum?
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That i a legitimate question. I feel that his ability seems a bit negative to the town, and he hasn't done... anything, really. Not even a fluff post recently.
@Mod: Could we get a prod on Fulcrum, btw? It's been like 3 days.
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I find it so odd that rhands post basically hard pushes atog as his choice but then votes ZDS because how he feels ZDS should be playing, his reasoning of why vaimes was picked for the kill is also odd he admits that it could be a coincidence but does so in such a dismissive way.
Where is fulcrum?
I'm not 100% confident in Atog because he did know who I targeted. You should reread my post I guess?
I find it so odd that rhands post basically hard pushes atog as his choice but then votes ZDS because how he feels ZDS should be playing, his reasoning of why vaimes was picked for the kill is also odd he admits that it could be a coincidence but does so in such a dismissive way.
Where is fulcrum?
I'm not 100% confident in Atog because he did know who I targeted. You should reread my post I guess?
I read your post. Perhaps you should reread mine. My point was that you are advocating a lot of stronger reasoning for atog being your preferred lynch pick yet somehow you turn to ZDS because you expected his play to be different than it has been, my point again is that you seem to be advocating for your secondary choice over your primary and i cannot help but find the irony considering you chastised cyth for that same fact when he said he went after you instead of antny.
(Also i may be completely wrong in the use here so please correct me if so but i want to say you are having confirmation bias on ZDS because of what i pointed above but i really arent sure if the term is proper in this instance and i dont have the time to check so again please correct me if my use is improper).
Also im currently in a hotel due to some personal matters i need to attend, ill try to be active but i will not be able to check more than 1-2 a day, apologies for not notifying you guys about this sooner but this is pretty much last minute stuff i have to do due to Real Life issues.
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What I've been saying is that my scumread on ZDS > my scumread on Atog. Maybe you think Atog should be my primary suspect, but he isn't. My whole reason for thinking he's scum is based on modgaming and POE. And him correctly giving my target makes me doubt the read. I'm just not sure on him.
ZDS is a strong player and would've had a bigger impact on the game as town. This read is a lot stronger.
Cyths alignment is irrelevant to my point and you k ow it.
My point was that at the time you complained to cyth for stating he had a primary choice (antny) but then decided to use his vig on his secondary target (you) even if he himself believed that shooting for 0 would not result in a death of his primary target (current knowledge reveals that to not be the case but again that is not the point), now you are using what to me seems to be the same logic which is that it looks like you are providing more validation for your atog read yet push for your zds read, so how is it that it was ok to reproach cyth back then but it is now ok for you to do? Like i said its ironic.
That aside generic's flip just makes rhand/atog the best choices in my mind.
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Yeah, the time shrinking doesn't seem to work too well, as, while new content is at a lower concentration, we still have a ton of old content to work through.
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Also, you might not already know. I don't have access to your chat, so I don't know what you discussed, and he died D1.
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This. Generic didn't need credibility. Generic hasn't acted suspicious AT ALL this game. You guys all say I'm town, although there's another BP giver in the game that's also "confirmed town", and I've done TONS of suspicious crap. Generic has done little to none, is just as much "confirmed town" as me, and is extremely useful to the town fight. So, why is anyone who is town even starting to consider voting Generic?
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Cythare (5): Sepiriel, Necarg, Rhand, Generic, Cythare
Generic (1): Atogaholic
Abstain (2): ZeDorkSlipeur, fulcrum
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Ah okay, so huntz gave bp to two of the strongest town roles and conveniently had it never backfire against his team. Also, when looking for targets to get mislynched he chose Generic, who he had been praising for impeccable mafia skills since pregame. No contradictions here.
Cythare, if you have a blank space you don't write your own name, especially as potentially the best pr left..
Hopefully this emote adequately expresses my feelings at this time:
Whatever though, I'm fine with humoring generic and tracking him tonight. Though I'm curious how you're so sure I have bp - did ZDS rolecop me or something ?
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Cythare (5): Sepiriel, Necarg, Rhand, Generic, Cythare
Generic (1): Atogaholic
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Eternian Central Command
After news arrived of the sage’s death, the remaining members of the Council of Six were taken aback. They knew that the cursed fairy had potent powers, but they didn’t expect that she was going to continue playing a part in this crisis when she had only been defeated days ago. No normal human could hope to do battle against the Sage and live to tell the tale - the fact that he was killed signifies that something supernatural is at work here.
Due to the Grand Marshal’s death, Eternian asterisk holders have been moving in and out of position. Amidst the chaos, the wind vestal easily restored the crystals of Wind and Water.
"The vestal plans to restore the Fire Crystal next," Alternis Dim said to the rest of the Council, which consisted of DeRosso, Victoria, and Victor. “As we know from the Sage’s death, we can’t safeguard members of the Council of Six if the enemy continues to behave that way. As a result, I propose to shelter all remaining asterisk bearers in the Central Command.”
Victor ponders this for a moment. “This could help us root out the fairy’s forces more quickly. They’d be hard pressed to assassinate someone in the Central Command, and we can use our combined forces to defeat them once we figure them out. I agree, Alternis."
“Very well, then. Sheltering everyone at the Central Command allows us to prepare and defend the Earth Crystal from the wind vestal’s attacks. Let us do it.”
As it turns out, most of the asterisk bearers were already in Eternia. It was understandable, however; once the fairy appeared, some region-wide incidents had occurred. The Harena region suffered from a lack of water, and the Florem region had severe problems with the proliferation of Florie fairies, which had driven some of the citizens mad. Only the Black Blades needed to be picked up from the Eisen region, after they
All of the asterisk bearers stepped into the Council Room of the Central Command. “I’m sure why all of you are wondering why we called you here, for a rare all-Eternian forces meeting. The reasons for this are simple. One, the wind vestal has been restoring the crystals among all of this chaos. They will quickly free the Fire Crystal at this rate, but that’s not as important compared to the crystal we guard. Secondly, our plan to safeguard some of the more important members of the Council of Six has failed, and the people who are working under the fairy’s command have potent tools at their disposal. We need to contain the destruction in here until this problem is resolved."
Most of the asterisk bearers were in agreement, but Cythare had the urge to speak out. “That sounds all well and good, but how do we find the ones that are under the fairy’s control?"
Victor this time spoke, with a smile. “By interrogation.
How about we use you as an example?"
Victor probed Cythare with question after question. Cythare, living a life on the streets with his band of ruffians, had no exposure to these types of questions, and as a result flubbed every single one.
“Uh, I, I-“ On the fifth question Cythare tried to stammer out, Victor cleared his throat. “Well, there you have it. I knew that it would take some time to find out who was under the fairy’s influence, but to think we could find one so easily..!” Victor readied his Holy spell. “Time to die.” Victoria readied Poison. "You, a mere thief, dare hinder my every move!”
“W-wait!” Cythare screamed in protest. But every other asterisk holder prepared to fight as well, lest they be the ones who died instead. A swinging of swords and a awesome collusion of magic soon eliminated Cythare.
Cythare has been lynched. He was:
“The city just took and took till they had nothing left. Their own brat became a burden, so they dumped him like a bag of sand! Daft, eh? Absolutely stupid. If surviving means pinching from other folk, I'll happily join the takers!”
The leader of a band of several dozen cold-hearted thieves that call Harena Ruins home. He is constantly thirsty and irritated.
A 16-year-old boy hailing from Ancheim. His real name is not known. He holds the thief asterisk. He was taken in by thieves as a young boy, gradually rising up the ranks through his accomplished thievery and sheer recklessness.
Likes: Water, isolation
Dislikes: Thirst, reasoning, raw vegetables
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Cythare! You are The Jackal, Thief.
You are a Town Vigilante, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Godspeed Strike: Each Night, you may target a player and pay X BP. (Keep in mind that 1 BP is expended each time you activate this ability). If X is greater than or equal to your target’s BP, they die.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
Eternian Central Command
Immediately after the death of Jackal, Victor told the rest of the asterisk bearers to retire to their lodgings within Eternia. Once they left, Victor and the other members of the Council of Six had a meeting to determine how to proceed next.
During this time, Victor excused himself for a bit and went down to some of the lower floors of the Central Command. He was having an epiphany - for once, he finally realized how grave the situation had become. The number of asterisk bearers had been decreasing ever since the Grand Marshal had died. From the bombing of Barbarossa’s airship to the news of the Sage being offed in the woods, as well as the bloodthirsty attitude he had when he ordered the execution of the Jackal - it all came crashing down on him. Has Victoria’s influence been rubbing off on him? “There are only a few more of us left,” he muttered to himself. “We need to be excruciatingly careful on the next day.”
Victor boarded the elevator back to the central room and opened the door. The rest of the Council of Six - Victoria, DeRosso, and Alternis - looked at him. “We should all get some rest,” Victor said. “It’ll give us a chance for reflection, and we’ve been at it for far too long today. I myself just had a chance to collect my thoughts, and I’ll need more time to mull on the matter.” DeRosso clears his throat. “I agree, but I have one question, Victor. How do you feel about the Jackal’s death?"
“I regret it, DeRosso,” Victor says, with an intense look on his face. “I realize the events one hour ago were.. unbecoming of me. I have just finally came to recognize it myself, as a matter of fact."
DeRosso smiles. “Very well. Let us retire.” Alternis nods.
Once Victor and Victoria walked out of the Council Room, he hears a shrieking noise. “Ar..argh…nng…nhh!” Victoria sinks to the ground, paralyzed. “Nhh…agh..nh..ahh…aaagh!”
Victor stops. “Of course it would have to be now..” he grimaces. “At least we’re near the chamber.” He picks up Victoria and slams his fist onto the elevator. It quickly descended to the first floor.
Victor quickly ran to the white magic stasis chamber and dropped Victoria in. He takes a look at the knob. “At this rate, she won’t be good until morning,” he thinks to himself. Knowing that he kept Victoria safe from her seizures, he calls up a squadron of knights to protect him in front of his room. Victor has a hard time going to sleep because of the situation at hand, but he sleeps regardless.
Victor wakes up to an alarm blaring. “Oh no!” he thinks to himself. He dashes out of his room and picks up a dagger to defend himself with, along with his trusty staff. He sees the knights gone and he hops down the stairs, close to where the alarm’s sound is ringing. As he descends, a looming fear dawns over him. “It can’t be.. Victoria..”
As he comes down to the stasis chamber, his worst fears are confirmed. The chamber in which Victoria is kept at is strewn apart, with water everywhere, and Victoria right in front, gasping. “Ugh.. I wish you’d all drop dead…” she mutters with her last breath.
“Victoria..? Victoria!” Victor screams. In an act of desperation, he grabs his dagger and punctures his chest. “Grant.. me.. the gift of death,” he wheezes. “I now go by her side."
Generic has been killed. He was:
“Just so, Victoria. Just so.”
His keen mind and knowledge of white magic stood out since his youth, and his work made Eternia known as a land of everlasting life.
A 25-year-old man from Ancheim. Going by the name Victor S. Court, he is the holder of the spiritmaster asterisk. He has been well-versed in white magic since his youth, earning him great respect. He is in charge of the arcanist Victoria's treatment.
Likes: Victoria, tea
Dislikes: Crying children, neglected health, folk remedies
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, Generic! You are Victor S. Court, Spiritmaster.
You are a Town Doctor, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Stillness: Each Night, you may target a player and protect them from a kill.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
The deadline is at August 4th.
Vote Rhand
For four reasons:
A. A town player (or at least a good one) that is a bodyguard would guard the best player and the most important role this game. Rhand didn't, or at least failed to. This brings me into my second point.
B. Vaimes. It would be incredibly easy to stage Vaimes death with connections to Atog or Sepiriel. I highly doubt there is a strongman, but there is in a way: a lying bodyguard. It's incredibly easy to just say, "Oh, there's a strongman." Especially when there's no proof surrounding the claim. Generic apparently was never actually irked by the actions of a strongman, which is alarmingly odd.
C. There's a dead doctor. Now with the knowledge that there indeed WAS a doctor, Rhand's bodyguard claim seems more and more unlikely. I seriously doubt that there are 2 roles that are near identical to each other.
D. If you haven't, read my list of everyone's claims/revealed roles. They are split into 4 groups of 3.
The BP givers: Fulcrum, myself, and Hunt, one of which was scum, and (presumably) two of which are town.
Protectors (in any way, shape, or form.): Rhand, Generic, and Vaimes, two of which are town, and (presumably) one of which is scum.
Misc.: Cythare, Atog, and Sepiriel, (presumably) two of which are town, and (presumably) one of which is scum.
VT's: ZDS, Sir Chris, and Antny, all of which (presumably) are inherently town.
In each non-VT group, there should be 1 mafia and 2 town. Rhand has to be the scum of the second group, if my theory is correct.
All signs lead to Rhand being scum. Let's lynch him and move on.
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I defaulted last Night because I had no BP.
And I wouldn't have protected Generic even if I could. I had every intention of voting him toDay with Cythare's flip.
If he's town, the most important person toDay would be Atog. What makes you think it was Generic?
The most important role in the game was Vaimes, and him I did try to protect.
In your list of claims, you should add "investigators", being Vaimes and Atog.
The last two scum are in Atog, ZDS and Sepiriel.
He started the game with 2 BP (you can even say that he kinda lied with the way he reacted when i posted my breakdown of actions to him and he was all 'oh i dont want to state my remaining BP') and he was given an extra BP because of Huntz and made to Brave (3 BP and could shot for 2), which was basically what he would have ended up claiming to do on N2 yet somehow he still decided he didnt want to shoot and instead shot for 0 his secondary target, this was so subpar in my mind, he could have shot his primary target for 2 since shooting for 3 was the highest he could go for anyways, also probability wise he had a good chance of hitting targets if he did it for 2 (with the information now available to us we even know he would have 100% hit), i mean its great for us since he ended up not causing town casualties but his reasoning and defense afterwards was one of the mayor reasons why i was scum reading him so badly to begin with.
I need to wrap my head around the Gen kill and what that means overall... this is a crazy amount of claimed protection in the game so far...
Yes, you would? You had intentions to vote him today, so why wouldn't you kill him last night to save time?
The most important role at this stage of the game was Generic, as he could completely f**k up a lylo situation for the scum.
And we're at a lylo. A tracker is worth jack all in a lylo.
You do realize the list is divided into 4 groups of 3? Because Vaimes + Atog =/= 3.
I do believe there is a scum in atog and sepiriel. So we agree on something.
My vote stays on you because I don't believe there should be 3 levels of protection in a single game, or at least 3 levels of town protection.
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I agree though that I wasn't expecting it with the vig flipping town. Which is why I wouldn't have protected Generic if I could: I thought he was scum.
Why do you think a tracker isn't useful in lylo?
Your first statement is just nonsense. The only correct play for a scum!me would've been to keep Generic alive in the hopes he gets mislynched over me. If I was scum, killing him would only lead to my own lynch.
(Which probably is why scum killed him: the doc dead and an easy mislynch as bonus)
I also tracked ZDS last night as well. I actually had 2 bp yesterDay (which is why I was certain scum targeted me with something). I got the result that he didn't target anyone.
So.. my reads from yesterDay are pretty much in tatters. I think now there has to be one scum between Rhand and Sepiriel. Based on my short-term memory I think sep is more likely scum out of the two of them. There's also ZDS, although the main basis of why I thought he was scum yesterday is gone he still isn't clear. Either way, I
planhope to do some serious analysis on all of them before this Day ends.2: I comment on Chris's death and ask Sep if he created the chat
3: Sep says he paid bp to make the chat. He says he doesn't know how to play the role. he prefers to chat with someone more analytical over using it as a tool to catch scum. He asks me to convince him I'm town. He says the good thing about the Chris death is that we don't lose a pr.
4: I ask if Sep made me lose a BP
5: he says no, thinks it's fulcrum
6: Sep deduces that fulcrum started with 2 bp, using one to boost vaimes and one to make me lose one, but says he's not sure that is what happened
7: I explain that at first I thought scum stole my BP, but that the new reactions on my Hunt vote might mean it was town that did it. Then I explain that I don't understand why people dislike my hunt vote and explain my reasoning again. I call people weird sometimes.
8: Sep apologises for being slow in responding. He agrees that people can be weird. He explains that he understands ZDS attacking him but says he can't defend against it because he was simply confused.
9: I tell him that it can be though to decide if such people are town honestly attacking or are scum setting a trap
10: Sep gets confused by ZDS's tone which goes from agressive to passive. He is on the fence when it comes to Generic but thinks it's best to see more before posting his feelings in thread.
11: Sep apologizes for late posting again
12: I say I townread Generic but am unsure as always on him. I say I don't like ZDS.
13: I ask for a read on Cythare
14: Sep points me to #487 and explains he didn't see anything that caught the eye.
15: I ask for input on #491
16: he thinks especially he last line makes Cythare look bad. (it's about the Hunt wagon and not joining it while giving justification to join it)
17: Sep is confused on Cythare's use of the word 'rider'
18: I am guessing Cythare cannot brave
19: I find it suspicious that Cythare won't be able to prove he's vig for another night because of bp
20: I say that I think scum are Cythare + ZDS or Cythare + Sep
21: Sep jokes about me having him in my possible scum hurts him. He talks about Cythare's claim using the mafia equivalent role name
22: I say I'll reread Fulcrum because if Cythare is scum, that loss of 1 BP was very suspicious
23: I think Fulcrum's counterclaim was genuine but don't like that she's so sure about Hunt's scumflip while ignoring Necarg's claim
24: I say that rereading Huntzilla and his interactions do clear Fulcrum, as well as Necarg and somewhat Generic
25: I add Vaimes to that list, leaving only ZDS, Atog, Cythare, Antny and Sepiriel
26: I say that if I'm right about Cythare, the buddy is probably Sep
27: Sep says he doesn't mind getting lynched if we hit scum with Cythare
28: Sep asks Proph for where in the order of Night actions Fulcrum's steal goes, because he thinks he can prove mechanically that Cythare is lying (assuming I started with 1 BP)
29: I confirm I had 1 BP. I am townreading Sep now
30: Sep goes deeper in the modgaming
31: Sep realises that Cythare's ability maybe failed because of a protect and is afraid that coming forward with the modgaming would out a protective role
32: Sep says that Proph responded that the loss of bp is 'anything else'. The modgaming fails.
33: I say that Sep can't be scum with Cythare now. I ask him about ZDS and Generic as options
34: Generic's counterclaim of Cythare receiving Hunt's BP looks like a typical Generic bus to me. I ask Sep if he has time to check that meta.
35: I warn Sep not to post about it before having proof. I make a plan for the Night: I tell Sep I am bodyguard with 1 BP and will protect zds if Cythare flips scum. Sep then activates daychat with ZDS because he's the strongest player in the game not called Generic and my protect gives him certain daychat. If Cythare flips town, I protect Vaimes.
36: I add that the person he ends up chatting with will be confirmed town if I die.
37: Sep says he'll try to look for examples on Generic. He repeats he thinks ZDS's active/passive behavior is odd and that he is unsure on Generic. He says he has no problems with my plan because it helps lowering POE
38: I say the game makes me insane because midgaming turns out impossible
39: I repeat that I think Sep is town now, to the degree that I would've considered a masons gambit.
40: Sepiriel apologizes for absence
41: I ask permission to out Sep's ability
42: Sep says ok
43: I say Atog is a good lynch and that Cythare has to vig to clear himself. I say I think Generic is town if Cythare is town because scum!Generic wouldn't have counterclaimed. I say scumteam is pribably Atog and ZDS with small chance of Vaimes, Fulcrum and Necarg but I think they're all town. If Cythare dies flip scum, I think it's Cythare + Generic
44: Sep doesn't like Atog's stance
45: I announce that I'm protecting Vaimes
46: Night starts
No.
ZDS is a weird target choice for Sepiriel with Cythare flipping town. Pure POE makes the chances he's scum pretty big.
(iirc, Sep thinks Fulcrum and Necarg are town. His POE should consist of me, Atog and ZDS. Why choose in the POE side?)
ZDS + Atog or Sepiriel + Atog seem to be the only options now. Unless Sepiriel targetted his buddy as a gambit.
@Fulcrum: if we manage to lynch scum toDay, I would love an extra BP so I can protect 2 players. With a bit of luck that should remove me from the POE. (hoping that we either lynch the strongman or that he's out of BP to activate his ability)
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Rhand (1): Necarg
Abstain (5): ZeDorkSlipeur, fulcrum, Sepiriel, Rhand, Atogaholic
The deadline is on August 3rd.
First of all let me confirm the contents of Rhands chat posting (a few things seem a bit downplayed but overall the contents are accurate).
As for Why i chose ZDS for the chat, Rhand you basically answer yourself: i went after someone i wasnt sure about, yes like i told you when we chatted i am not confident that i can catch a scum with my role any more than i can as a VT but if anything i think its best to talk to someone im not clear about since that way i can convince myself whether that person is really scummy or not.
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We lost the best town player on our team, and the second best at this point isn't posting relevant content anymore. Anyone find that odd?Everyone was rightly suspicious of Loran, because he played poorly, but then gave ZDS a town pass when he posted good content. He defended Cythare to give him town cred at the point where it could be most vital, and knew that Generic was the most important town player.
Vote ZDS
We hve no idea what we're doing, but a shot in the dark is still better than just letting the scum kill us.
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Fulcrum is 100% town for the counterclaim of Huntzilla.
Necarg's counterclaim was a little uncalled for, but still makes him most probably town.
So poe points to ZDS and Atog.
Atog's claim of insider info in the scumteam just reeks. I've never ever seen someone get info on the scum roles in their role pm. The only thing that boggles my mind is how he knew that I targetted Vaimes. So for him to be scum, he either has to be a tracker indeed or be scum with Sepiriel. Or good at guessing.
ZDS, i feel, would've brought a lot more analysis to this game as town. We are in lylo and he's not even trying to solve the game. He seems to be content under the radar, which is not where he should be.
So much /barn
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I find it so odd that rhands post basically hard pushes atog as his choice but then votes ZDS because how he feels ZDS should be playing, his reasoning of why vaimes was picked for the kill is also odd he admits that it could be a coincidence but does so in such a dismissive way.
Where is fulcrum?
That i a legitimate question. I feel that his ability seems a bit negative to the town, and he hasn't done... anything, really. Not even a fluff post recently.
@Mod: Could we get a prod on Fulcrum, btw? It's been like 3 days.
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I'm not 100% confident in Atog because he did know who I targeted. You should reread my post I guess?
Land of Civil War
(5 to lynch)
ZeDorkSlipeur (1): Necarg
Abstain (5): ZeDorkSlipeur, fulcrum, Sepiriel, Rhand, Atogaholic
The deadline is on August 3rd, two days from now!
fulcrum has been prodded.
I read your post. Perhaps you should reread mine. My point was that you are advocating a lot of stronger reasoning for atog being your preferred lynch pick yet somehow you turn to ZDS because you expected his play to be different than it has been, my point again is that you seem to be advocating for your secondary choice over your primary and i cannot help but find the irony considering you chastised cyth for that same fact when he said he went after you instead of antny.
(Also i may be completely wrong in the use here so please correct me if so but i want to say you are having confirmation bias on ZDS because of what i pointed above but i really arent sure if the term is proper in this instance and i dont have the time to check so again please correct me if my use is improper).
Also im currently in a hotel due to some personal matters i need to attend, ill try to be active but i will not be able to check more than 1-2 a day, apologies for not notifying you guys about this sooner but this is pretty much last minute stuff i have to do due to Real Life issues.
ZDS is a strong player and would've had a bigger impact on the game as town. This read is a lot stronger.
But I'm repeating myself.
My point was that at the time you complained to cyth for stating he had a primary choice (antny) but then decided to use his vig on his secondary target (you) even if he himself believed that shooting for 0 would not result in a death of his primary target (current knowledge reveals that to not be the case but again that is not the point), now you are using what to me seems to be the same logic which is that it looks like you are providing more validation for your atog read yet push for your zds read, so how is it that it was ok to reproach cyth back then but it is now ok for you to do? Like i said its ironic.
That aside generic's flip just makes rhand/atog the best choices in my mind.
How did Generic's flip change your view on ZDS?
Yeah, the time shrinking doesn't seem to work too well, as, while new content is at a lower concentration, we still have a ton of old content to work through.
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Deadline is now Monday, August 10th.
Searching for a replacement for fulcrum.