I just noticed this game ended, it kept slipping off of my radar apparently oops.
Sigh, being killed night 1 as a vanilla is not a strange sight to me, it had become the norm on my other site I play so I just had to frown. I don't know if I would have solved the game or not, july was a bitterly busy month for me with a lot of new and exciting things going on in my life, but I would have tried.
@ ZDS - I do not tend to play the useful idiot role very well, in my experience. Next time you are scum you should leave me alive all the time, and we can dance the night away/.
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Holly Whyte, White Mage - Town Bodyguard - Rhand
Artemia, Ranger - Town Tracker - Atogaholic
Victor S. Court, Spiritmaster - Town Doctor - Generic
The Jackal, Thief - Town Vigilante - Cythare
Lester DeRosso, Vampire - Town BP Manager - fulcrum
Fiore DeRosa, Red Mage - Town Inventor - Necarg
Sage Yulyana, Conjurer - Town JoaT - Vaimes
Hayreddin Barbarossa, Pirate - Town Vanilla - Antny223
Nobutsuna Kamiizumi, Swordmaster - Town Vanilla - Sir Chris
Brave & Default
Each Night, you may either elect to Default, which grants you 1 BP, take a regular night action, which costs you 1 BP, or take additional night actions, which costs you 1 additional BP for each extra night action you take.
For example, if that player is a cop with 2 BP, that player can choose between:
1. Defaulting. The cop will take no night action and go up to 3 BP.
2. Brave and spend one BP to cop someone. That player will go to 1 BP.
3. Brave and take an extra night action. You can only Brave once (to get two actions) which brings you down to 0 BP. You can cop two people now.
If you have 3 BP then you can take three night actions in one night, et al.
“You’ve all been deceived!
By yours truly, no less!
I had you going the whole time!”
A tiny cryst-fairy who came to guide the vestal in the crystals' hour of need. She said a miracle would appear before Agnès at the chasm.
A female of unknown age. This self-proclaimed cryst-fairy seems to know much about the crystals and the path the vestal should take. With regard to anything else, however, she tends to act like a precocious, fussy crybaby.
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Airy, Piercer of Boundaries.
You are a Mafia Motivator, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Factional Abilities (faction as a whole may use each once per day/night cycle):
Mafioso: You are a member of the Mafia, which consists of X (Airy), Y (Konoe Kikyo), and Z (Alternis Dim). You may talk to your fellow Mafioso using this QUICKTOPIC.
Factional Kill: Each Night, the Mafia may send one of its players to kill another player. This action takes place outside of the BP system. When a mafia member performs the nightkill, they won't expend BP, but they won't gain it either from Defaulting.
Active Abilities:
Dark Abyss: Each Night, you may target another player. They will be forced to Default. (They won't be able to take a night action). They will be notified of this at the end of Night.
Luxuria: Each Day, you may target another player. At the beginning of Night, they will gain 1 BP, and, if they have 2 or more BP, they will be forced to Brave. (They will be forced to take a night action if possible).
Win Condition: Control the lynch, or make it so that such control is inevitable.
Please confirm via PM.
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An assassin who leads the Black Blades' covert force. There are rumors that she became an expert at disguise due to her paralyzing shyness.
A 21-year-old woman from Eternia. Her full name is Konoe Kikyo, and she carries the ninja asterisk. When not disguised she stays silent, but in costume she speaks in a rapid torrent of words.
Likes: Make-up, collecting materials for her disguises
Dislikes: The fat feeb (Qada)
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Konoe Kikyo, Ninja.
You are a Mafia Assassin, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Factional Abilities (faction as a whole may use each once per day/night cycle):
Mafioso: You are a member of the Mafia, which consists of X (Airy), Y (Konoe Kikyo), and Z (Alternis Dim). You may talk to your fellow Mafioso using this QUICKTOPIC.
Factional Kill: Each Night, the Mafia may send one of its players to kill another player. This action takes place outside of the BP system. When a mafia member performs the nightkill, they won't expend BP, but they won't gain it either from Defaulting.
Passive Abilities:
Inside Information: You know that the town has a Tracker and they know that the mafia has a Ninja.
Active Abilities:
Ikkikasei: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill pierces protection.
Dual Wield: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill ignores roleblocks and redirects.
Shippujinrai: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill can’t be seen by watchers or trackers.
Win Condition: Control the lynch, or make it so that such control is inevitable.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Vestal of the Wind Crystal, Agnès Oblige. Surrender at once, or see your companions slain.”
A knight encased in jet black armor. One of the Council of Six, and an old friend of Edea. He shattered the skystone on the Eschalot.
A twenty-three-year-old man of unknown origin. His name is Alternis Dim, bearer of the dark knight asterisk. Wearing jet black armor and wielding a dark blade, he is a solemn warrior who takes his duties very seriously.
Likes: Edea, coffee
Dislikes: Desserts, little girls, intellectuals
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Alternis Dim, Dark Knight.
You are a Mafia Neighborizer, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Factional Abilities (faction as a whole may use each once per day/night cycle):
Mafioso: You are a member of the Mafia, which consists of X (Airy), Y (Konoe Kikyo), and Z (Alternis Dim). You may talk to your fellow Mafioso using this QUICKTOPIC.
Factional Kill: Each Night, the Mafia may send one of its players to kill another player. This action takes place outside of the BP system. When a mafia member performs the nightkill, they won't expend BP, but they won't gain it either from Defaulting.
Active Abilities:
D's Journal: Each Night, you may target a player. You will gain a neighbor chat with that player to be used until the end of the next Day.
Win Condition: Control the lynch, or make it so that such control is inevitable.
Please confirm via PM.
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“She's dragged us all across this backwater for weeks. Surely I'm entitled to vent my frustrations? Hm hmm, but fear not. I'll see she's brought back from the brink each time. Though I fear my magic won't keep the girl's mind intact.”
The white mage who attacked Tiz with the monk Barras. She was later defeated at the southwest lake. Unstable and sadistic.
A 26-year-old woman from Eternia. Her name is Holly Whyte. She is keeper of the white mage asterisk. Though a healer of great skill, she is sadistic to the core. Hedonistic and capricious, she has a wanton personality.
Likes: Glamor, tough guys, wine
Dislikes: Pessimists, brats, innocence
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Holly Whyte, White Mage.
You are a Town Bodyguard, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Protect: Each Night, you may target a player. If they are killed, you will die instead.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Nothing runs. Nothing escapes... As long as prey has pulse... Keep firing... Never miss... ...Never…”
A legion member who infiltrated Florem. She is a master archer who enjoys the thrill of battle, and lives to challenge powerful foes.
A seventeen-year-old girl from Eternia. Her name is Artemia Venus, holder of the ranger asterisk. She is the youngest of the Venus sisters, and worships her eldest sister to the point of neglecting all other relationships.
Likes: Einheria, worthy prey
Dislikes: Conversation, relationships, weak foes
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Artemia, Ranger.
You are a Town Tracker, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Inside Information: You know the scum have a Ninja. The scum know that there is a tracker in the setup, who knows that they have a Ninja.
Active Abilities:
Hawkeye: Each Night, you may target a player and track them, learning who they targeted that Night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Just so, Victoria. Just so.”
His keen mind and knowledge of white magic stood out since his youth, and his work made Eternia known as a land of everlasting life.
A 25-year-old man from Ancheim. Going by the name Victor S. Court, he is the holder of the spiritmaster asterisk. He has been well-versed in white magic since his youth, earning him great respect. He is in charge of the arcanist Victoria's treatment.
Likes: Victoria, tea
Dislikes: Crying children, neglected health, folk remedies
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Victor S. Court, Spiritmaster.
You are a Town Doctor, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Stillness: Each Night, you may target a player and protect them from a kill.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“The city just took and took till they had nothing left. Their own brat became a burden, so they dumped him like a bag of sand! Daft, eh? Absolutely stupid. If surviving means pinching from other folk, I'll happily join the takers!”
The leader of a band of several dozen cold-hearted thieves that call Harena Ruins home. He is constantly thirsty and irritated.
A 16-year-old boy hailing from Ancheim. His real name is not known. He holds the thief asterisk. He was taken in by thieves as a young boy, gradually rising up the ranks through his accomplished thievery and sheer recklessness.
Likes: Water, isolation
Dislikes: Thirst, reasoning, raw vegetables
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are The Jackal, Thief.
You are a Town Vigilante, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Godspeed Strike: Each Night, you may target a player and pay X BP. (Keep in mind that 1 BP is expended each time you activate this ability). If X is greater than or equal to your target’s BP, they die.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Accept me and I shall grant life everlasting. Though it shall be filled with grief, thou shalt have all eternity to wreak vengeance upon thine enemies.”
Though Archduke of Eternia, he prefers the title Lord DeRosso. He is a man of mystery, with haunted, weary eyes.
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Lester DeRosso, Vampire.
You are a Town BP Manager, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Battle Thirst: Each Night, you may target a player. If that player has at least 1 BP, you will steal 1 BP from them.
White Wind: Each Night, you may target a player and give them 1 BP. This ability costs 0 BP. (However, you are still limited by the amount of BP you have to give.). You can't use it on the same person more than once each Night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Quiet in the back, thank you! Where was I? Ahh, yes. Techniques for getting ahead. Use every tool in reach till it crumbles to dust. That's how a man succeeds. Eh, dandy?”
Behind his ladies' man veneer, he has set multiple schemes in motion to ruin Florem's society based on Crystalist values.
A 38-year-old man of unknown origin. He full name is Fiore DeRosa, and he holds the red mage asterisk. He is slowly but surely corrupting the devout nation of Florem from within with his meticulous schemes.
Likes: Exploitable women, rising to power, fame
Dislikes: Children, stubborn underlings
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Fiore DeRosa, Red Mage.
You are a Town Inventor, and begin with 3 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
In The Red: Each Night, you may give target player an invention. You cannot use these abilities nor gift them to yourself. If you give out only one ability in a given Night, the recipient will also gain 1 BP.
Inventions (you have one of each):
Revenge: You gain 1 BP every time someone targets you with an ability.
Adrenaline: You gain 1 BP every time a player of the opposite alignment as you is lynched.
An Eye for an Eye: You gain 1 BP every time you Brave and spent 2 or more BP.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Have the courage to think and act on your own. And have the courage to disobey.”
A tailor living in Yulyana Woods who we asked to make the vestal garb we need to awaken the crystals. An easygoing, good-natured fellow.
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Sage Yulyana, Conjurer.
You are a Town Jack-of-all-Trades, and begin with 3 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Max Summoning: You can't perform single night actions. (This means that you have a choice between Defaulting or spending 2 or more BP to use multiple night actions in a single Night.)
Active Abilities:
Invocation - Girtablulu: Each Night, you may activate this ability and be protected from kills this Night. You may only use this ability once each Night.
Invocation - Hresvelgr: Each Night, you may target another player and have that player be immune to all actions except kills. You may only use this ability once each Night.
Invocation - Promethean Fire: Each Night, you may target another player and learn who targeted that player that Night. You may only use this ability once each Night.
Invocation - Deus Ex: Each Night, you may target another player and remove 1 BP from that player. (This resolves during Defaults). You may only use this ability once each Night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Together we fight! Rally to me!”
First mate of the Black Blades. He fought alongside Commander Kamiizumi for years, and his free-spirited personality makes him well-liked.
A 35-year-old man from Caldisla. His name is Hayreddin Barbarossa, holder of the pirate asterisk. Uncommonly strong, he can spin his massive axe around like a windmill.
Likes: Axes, rum, barrels of apples
Dislikes: Poor weather, lulls in the wind, choppy seas
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Hayreddin Barbarossa, Pirate.
You are a Town Vanilla. You have no abilities.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“The way of the sword runs far and deep, as do the journeys on which it takes me.”
A master of all forms of swordplay. He taught Edea, and gifted her his favorite blade for her first campaign.
A 45-year-old man from Eternia. His full name is Nobutsuna Kamiizumi, and he holds the swordmaster asterisk. He is known far and wide as a formidable warrior and a great leader.
Likes: Bitter tea, sweet bean soup
Dislikes: Cowardice, all forms of alcohol
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Nobutsuna Kamiizumi, Swordmaster.
You are a Town Vanilla. You have no abilities.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
Mod Notes
To be honest, I thought the town was dominant for most of the game. After the Huntzilla lynch Day 1 and loran’s request to be replaced, I thought the scum were going to lose for sure - the scum weren’t on the Hunt wagon, so it wasn’t like they were cleared or anything. Furthermore, both of the scum were lurking hardcore, and fulcrum and Necarg were cleared from the Hunt lynch. ZDS did me a great favor replacing into a game that looked like it was going to being to be lost and doing a wonderful job paving the way to victory, so I have to give him the mafia MVP.
So, *how* exactly did the town lose from a dominant position? I can point to several factors, but I’ll just say this: The scum were insanely lucky to even have made it that far. The town was choke-full of power roles and had a ton of roles that could stop the scum in their tracks at any time. They mismanaged some of their roles, though, and the ones they didn’t mismanage the scum could bypass with the Jack-of-all-Trades. In addition, Sepiriel did an excellent job with the neighbor chat. I covered this in the spectator chat but one of the key things about N2 was ZDS bypassing both of the protect abilities and killing Vaimes. That was a great nightkill and the way they conveniently maneuvered to a lynch on Cythare was miraculous (I thought Sepiriel was going to be the one to swing). Cythare was going to kill ZDS and Sepiriel with his multi-vig-shot ability as well. It was amazing how Cythare never shot during the entire game - if he’d had done so even once the scum would have a very difficult time pulling out the win.
To put it shortly, mafia needed luck on their side as well as near-perfect play to pull out the win after the Hunt lynch, and both the luck and the skill came to them. The town got complacent in some areas (in D3 and D4) which the scum took advantage of. If I had to redesign this game, I’d probably remove the town JoaT and put in a vanilla, and rejigger the giving BP roles so that they wouldn’t be a 2:1 split (which was an unfortunate design decision). Unsure if I wanted to beef up scum BP totals.
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Q&A time!
@Sepiriel: The reason why BP was removed at the very end was because I didn’t want to roleblock players who were using BP to use abilities. That would have made BP removal stronger than I wanted it to be.
@ZDS: The “pairings” didn’t come up during review. Literally the process for this game revolved around building around the BP mechanic and trying to fit flavor into roles in a elegant way. I wanted this game to be similar to one of Xyre’s minis/Hobbit/Dr. Polyopticon where there were a bunch of power roles flying around but the game still was fun.
@Bur:
1. Kikyo’s Dual Wield was a red herring to make sure that the scum couldn’t have figured the entirety of the game from one role.
2. Same with Hresvelgr, designed to be a somewhat weak ability that could work in narrow circumstances.
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Let’s talk about the design decisions that went down with each role.
Airy: Meant to mostly be the mafia roleblocker. The previous incarnation of this role forced a player to either take a night action OR Default, and Megiddo told me to add this last-minute change with giving BP. In retrospect I wish I went with the old role so that the insta-clearing of two players didn’t happen. Wanted to see this role stay alive, but Huntzilla used his abilities in an interesting way (I would have given my BP to my teammates) which I guess ended working out in the end?
JoaT: Meant to circumvent the power cluster that this game had. This role didn’t change at all from when I first conceived it - it’s one of the more elegant roles that takes advantage of the BP system (in that you can “stack” abilities to make the NK more beneficial). I’ll cover the Tracker/Ninja more in the Tracker writeup. ZDS’s best use of the role, as I covered, was piercing the double-protect N2. Now that I think about it, the JoaT may have rendered parts of the setup useless (the doc, BG, JoaT did virtually nothing, ditto for tracker/watcher), so unsure if it was a great role design wise. I liked it, but it allowed most of the town’s power to be bypassed and was also swingy (if the Ninja was the first one offed).
Neighborizer: This guy went through a ton of changes, from a message sender, to a BP remover, to a neighborizer. The purpose of this role was to provide a townie-seeming false claim as opposed to the JoaT and Airy, and judging by Sepiriel’s use of it D2 he did a great job at it. Also doesn’t make the scum immediately die to a massclaim.
Bodyguard: One of my more favorite roles, though I’m unsure if putting three protective roles in the game was a smart idea. Rhand had the right idea for it in that you were supposed to build up until endgame then use it to protect a key target. Sadly fulcrum’s BP drain N1 quickly nullified this role in the beginning, and the Ninja role nullified it later in the game.
Tracker: Oh boy this role. So the reason why I decided to put the setup information in was that I was reading mafiascum design threads a while back and read this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=5138598
I essentially copied this interaction here:
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Giving out information is like criminally amazing. I think it's not too common because mods like the idea of "defeating" players who "outguess" them or something. It's seriously super great though you guys.
Let's go back to our early example. Tracker and Ninja. It's a rude interaction and I think should be avoided. But what about this Tracker:
"You are a tracker.
You also know the scum have a Ninja.
The scum know there is a tracker in the setup, who knows they have a Ninja."
If you slip, even once, about the scum having a Ninja, the scum will know you're the tracker. Conversely, if the scum slip about knowing there's a tracker before your claim, you'll know they're scum. ("You know what would be so many style points I'd knock the Earth into the sun?") That's cool right there. If the Ninja dies, then when scum are down to one member left you get definitive innocents that you ******* EARNED. And if not? Well then. You know the scum Ninja is probably doing all the kills. So, you're not gonna try to track KILLERS. Maybe you track the person you think is a doc to be able to confirm their claim later...
You see? Look what I did! I took a role interaction that is smelly and bad, and made it cool, and I didn't add ANY power to the setup - just told players more about the setup. It's the universal fixer, baby.
I thought this was a cool minigame and turned a role interaction that I didn’t like into something interesting. Sadly I think this interaction would be better suited to a basic or something, since the tracker was one of the weaker power roles - the mafia didn’t really have much to worry about. In a game where the tracker was like, one of two/three power roles then I think this info giving minigame could work, or in a larger game. In this game most of the setup was divined from PoE so it didn’t have great impact.
Togs I felt made a mistake tracking N1 - I would have saved up BP, but Necarg saved him with the Vengeance trinket, allowing Togs to track every Night, which was a pretty significant upgrade. Problem was that scum had a built in way to deal with the tracker and it was lower on the totem pole for scum.
Doctor: Most of the notes on Bodyguard apply to here. Doctor and Bodyguard could create an unkillable situation but the scum had the tools to get rid of it (strongman kill). Generic took advantage of the BP mechanic, protecting two people some Nights, but again the scum had the JoaT.
Vigilante: This was a super swingy role. I wanted maybe a vig in the setup and originally this was just a one-shot vig, but I wanted it to interact with the BP system more and I reused Rhand’s role from Celestial Mafia. This role never ended up being used but it had the potential to end the game out of nowhere. I think this role would have been better suited in a larger game but is probably too swingy in a Mini, especially when piled on top of an already swingy BP system.
BP Manager: One of the town BP giving roles. I hoped that this wouldn’t be an auto clear because the BP drain felt pretty scummy, but fulcrum insta-cleared herself with the counterclaim. She only ever used the BP Drain N1 and gave it to Vaimes; she never did anything with her role after that. I think that maybe passing on BP to Cythare would have been important to the setup? That’s one of the problems with the JoaT role, I think - outside of fulcrum draining ZDS’s BP, the scum were clear from any BP related shenanigans.
Inventor: This was meant to be a skill testing role - it was good if given to town but if given to scum it would have been scary. The giving out 1 BP was added to prevent the user from just firing these off N1. Might have been a tad bit complex but I liked the role - had a neat twist on normal Inventors.
Vanilla: I feel compelled to mention that one of the Vanillas was a BP Cop before Megiddo forced me to change it.
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How did everyone like the BP mechanic? I’d say that the mechanic strongly discourages you from losing your last shot, as that puts severe handicaps on your ability use for the next two Day phases.
Thoughts on flavor? It’s a pet peeve of mine when mods go like “flavor later” and then never add it *cough* Megiddo *cough*, so I made sure to write all of the flavor scenes in a (hopefully) timely manner.
Is there a reason why my games are always so inactive? This game didn’t break 1k posts, WitchHunt didn’t, uPick barely did. Unsure if it’s a problem with my modding or the playerbase.
I’ll reconsider the deadline system due to ZDS’s feedback - it’s true that the game needs more time in lylo situations. Unsure of a good compromise - any ideas? I typically am a fan of short deadlines but it fails when the playerbase is mostly inactive.
Last of all, thanks for playing, and special thanks for ZDS and Bur for replacing in!
overall i liked the BP system, it was interesting and added a layer of strategy to the game aside from the manipulations and schemes. My problem lied more on how swingy and power packed the setup was, i think i would have preferred a few things different:
1. Each Night you gain 1 BP (this is more in line with the original game mechanic), my reasoning for this is that then Defaulting doesnt become a "ow shucks i blew my load and now i need to wait" but rather a "ok do i blow my load now or do i wait for a bigger effect tomorrow?"
2. With a system like the BP system in place multiple tricks roles like JoaT's and Inventors make the game way too swingy, instead you could have made it so BP investment increased a power (say for example ZDS, 1BP gave him the ninja kill, 2 BP gave him a strongman hit, 3 BP gave something like a Strongarm Ninja kill or something equally silly)
3. The BP givers/takers synergized and neutered one another too much, the fact that Huntz couldnt bring up how dubious the whole point of 3 role effectively doing the same thing in some way or another coupled with him getting behaviorally caught was a big hit for the scum.
I think you did a good job with the flavor, i almost felt like the game could be flavor gamed to a win actually.... given the roles and fake claims the scum was given.
No complains on ZDS getting MVP i know i would have bungled it to a loss on D2 had it just been me alone
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It seems it hadnt been linked to yet and ZDS was asking for it so im posting it here so others can read it.
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At least I was correct when I thought you might be the ninja, since it would make perfect sense to claim to be VT as a ninja...
Sigh, being killed night 1 as a vanilla is not a strange sight to me, it had become the norm on my other site I play so I just had to frown. I don't know if I would have solved the game or not, july was a bitterly busy month for me with a lot of new and exciting things going on in my life, but I would have tried.
@ ZDS - I do not tend to play the useful idiot role very well, in my experience. Next time you are scum you should leave me alive all the time, and we can dance the night away/.
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Konoe Kikyo, Ninja - Mafia JoaT - loran16
Alternis Dim, Dark Knight - Mafia Neighborizer - Sepiriel
Holly Whyte, White Mage - Town Bodyguard - Rhand
Artemia, Ranger - Town Tracker - Atogaholic
Victor S. Court, Spiritmaster - Town Doctor - Generic
The Jackal, Thief - Town Vigilante - Cythare
Lester DeRosso, Vampire - Town BP Manager - fulcrum
Fiore DeRosa, Red Mage - Town Inventor - Necarg
Sage Yulyana, Conjurer - Town JoaT - Vaimes
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Nobutsuna Kamiizumi, Swordmaster - Town Vanilla - Sir Chris
Brave & Default
Each Night, you may either elect to Default, which grants you 1 BP, take a regular night action, which costs you 1 BP, or take additional night actions, which costs you 1 additional BP for each extra night action you take.
For example, if that player is a cop with 2 BP, that player can choose between:
1. Defaulting. The cop will take no night action and go up to 3 BP.
2. Brave and spend one BP to cop someone. That player will go to 1 BP.
3. Brave and take an extra night action. You can only Brave once (to get two actions) which brings you down to 0 BP. You can cop two people now.
If you have 3 BP then you can take three night actions in one night, et al.
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Mafia falseclaims:
Mephilia Venus (Summoner)
Erutus Profiteer (Merchant)
Ciggma Khint (Spell Fencer)
“You’ve all been deceived!
By yours truly, no less!
I had you going the whole time!”
A tiny cryst-fairy who came to guide the vestal in the crystals' hour of need. She said a miracle would appear before Agnès at the chasm.
A female of unknown age. This self-proclaimed cryst-fairy seems to know much about the crystals and the path the vestal should take. With regard to anything else, however, she tends to act like a precocious, fussy crybaby.
Likes: Crystals, Agnès
Dislikes: Children, Ringabel
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Airy, Piercer of Boundaries.
You are a Mafia Motivator, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Factional Abilities (faction as a whole may use each once per day/night cycle):
Mafioso: You are a member of the Mafia, which consists of X (Airy), Y (Konoe Kikyo), and Z (Alternis Dim). You may talk to your fellow Mafioso using this QUICKTOPIC.
Factional Kill: Each Night, the Mafia may send one of its players to kill another player. This action takes place outside of the BP system. When a mafia member performs the nightkill, they won't expend BP, but they won't gain it either from Defaulting.
Active Abilities:
Dark Abyss: Each Night, you may target another player. They will be forced to Default. (They won't be able to take a night action). They will be notified of this at the end of Night.
Luxuria: Each Day, you may target another player. At the beginning of Night, they will gain 1 BP, and, if they have 2 or more BP, they will be forced to Brave. (They will be forced to take a night action if possible).
Win Condition: Control the lynch, or make it so that such control is inevitable.
Please confirm via PM.
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“.....”
An assassin who leads the Black Blades' covert force. There are rumors that she became an expert at disguise due to her paralyzing shyness.
A 21-year-old woman from Eternia. Her full name is Konoe Kikyo, and she carries the ninja asterisk. When not disguised she stays silent, but in costume she speaks in a rapid torrent of words.
Likes: Make-up, collecting materials for her disguises
Dislikes: The fat feeb (Qada)
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Konoe Kikyo, Ninja.
You are a Mafia Assassin, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Factional Abilities (faction as a whole may use each once per day/night cycle):
Mafioso: You are a member of the Mafia, which consists of X (Airy), Y (Konoe Kikyo), and Z (Alternis Dim). You may talk to your fellow Mafioso using this QUICKTOPIC.
Factional Kill: Each Night, the Mafia may send one of its players to kill another player. This action takes place outside of the BP system. When a mafia member performs the nightkill, they won't expend BP, but they won't gain it either from Defaulting.
Passive Abilities:
Inside Information: You know that the town has a Tracker and they know that the mafia has a Ninja.
Active Abilities:
Ikkikasei: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill pierces protection.
Dual Wield: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill ignores roleblocks and redirects.
Shippujinrai: Each Night, you may activate this ability while performing the mafia factional kill. The standard mafia factional kill can’t be seen by watchers or trackers.
Win Condition: Control the lynch, or make it so that such control is inevitable.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Vestal of the Wind Crystal, Agnès Oblige. Surrender at once, or see your companions slain.”
A knight encased in jet black armor. One of the Council of Six, and an old friend of Edea. He shattered the skystone on the Eschalot.
A twenty-three-year-old man of unknown origin. His name is Alternis Dim, bearer of the dark knight asterisk. Wearing jet black armor and wielding a dark blade, he is a solemn warrior who takes his duties very seriously.
Likes: Edea, coffee
Dislikes: Desserts, little girls, intellectuals
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Alternis Dim, Dark Knight.
You are a Mafia Neighborizer, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Factional Abilities (faction as a whole may use each once per day/night cycle):
Mafioso: You are a member of the Mafia, which consists of X (Airy), Y (Konoe Kikyo), and Z (Alternis Dim). You may talk to your fellow Mafioso using this QUICKTOPIC.
Factional Kill: Each Night, the Mafia may send one of its players to kill another player. This action takes place outside of the BP system. When a mafia member performs the nightkill, they won't expend BP, but they won't gain it either from Defaulting.
Active Abilities:
D's Journal: Each Night, you may target a player. You will gain a neighbor chat with that player to be used until the end of the next Day.
Win Condition: Control the lynch, or make it so that such control is inevitable.
Please confirm via PM.
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“She's dragged us all across this backwater for weeks. Surely I'm entitled to vent my frustrations? Hm hmm, but fear not. I'll see she's brought back from the brink each time. Though I fear my magic won't keep the girl's mind intact.”
The white mage who attacked Tiz with the monk Barras. She was later defeated at the southwest lake. Unstable and sadistic.
A 26-year-old woman from Eternia. Her name is Holly Whyte. She is keeper of the white mage asterisk. Though a healer of great skill, she is sadistic to the core. Hedonistic and capricious, she has a wanton personality.
Likes: Glamor, tough guys, wine
Dislikes: Pessimists, brats, innocence
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Holly Whyte, White Mage.
You are a Town Bodyguard, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Protect: Each Night, you may target a player. If they are killed, you will die instead.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Nothing runs. Nothing escapes... As long as prey has pulse... Keep firing... Never miss... ...Never…”
A legion member who infiltrated Florem. She is a master archer who enjoys the thrill of battle, and lives to challenge powerful foes.
A seventeen-year-old girl from Eternia. Her name is Artemia Venus, holder of the ranger asterisk. She is the youngest of the Venus sisters, and worships her eldest sister to the point of neglecting all other relationships.
Likes: Einheria, worthy prey
Dislikes: Conversation, relationships, weak foes
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Artemia, Ranger.
You are a Town Tracker, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Inside Information: You know the scum have a Ninja. The scum know that there is a tracker in the setup, who knows that they have a Ninja.
Active Abilities:
Hawkeye: Each Night, you may target a player and track them, learning who they targeted that Night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Just so, Victoria. Just so.”
His keen mind and knowledge of white magic stood out since his youth, and his work made Eternia known as a land of everlasting life.
A 25-year-old man from Ancheim. Going by the name Victor S. Court, he is the holder of the spiritmaster asterisk. He has been well-versed in white magic since his youth, earning him great respect. He is in charge of the arcanist Victoria's treatment.
Likes: Victoria, tea
Dislikes: Crying children, neglected health, folk remedies
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Victor S. Court, Spiritmaster.
You are a Town Doctor, and begin with 1 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Stillness: Each Night, you may target a player and protect them from a kill.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“The city just took and took till they had nothing left. Their own brat became a burden, so they dumped him like a bag of sand! Daft, eh? Absolutely stupid. If surviving means pinching from other folk, I'll happily join the takers!”
The leader of a band of several dozen cold-hearted thieves that call Harena Ruins home. He is constantly thirsty and irritated.
A 16-year-old boy hailing from Ancheim. His real name is not known. He holds the thief asterisk. He was taken in by thieves as a young boy, gradually rising up the ranks through his accomplished thievery and sheer recklessness.
Likes: Water, isolation
Dislikes: Thirst, reasoning, raw vegetables
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are The Jackal, Thief.
You are a Town Vigilante, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Godspeed Strike: Each Night, you may target a player and pay X BP. (Keep in mind that 1 BP is expended each time you activate this ability). If X is greater than or equal to your target’s BP, they die.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Accept me and I shall grant life everlasting. Though it shall be filled with grief, thou shalt have all eternity to wreak vengeance upon thine enemies.”
Though Archduke of Eternia, he prefers the title Lord DeRosso. He is a man of mystery, with haunted, weary eyes.
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Lester DeRosso, Vampire.
You are a Town BP Manager, and begin with 2 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
Battle Thirst: Each Night, you may target a player. If that player has at least 1 BP, you will steal 1 BP from them.
White Wind: Each Night, you may target a player and give them 1 BP. This ability costs 0 BP. (However, you are still limited by the amount of BP you have to give.). You can't use it on the same person more than once each Night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Quiet in the back, thank you! Where was I? Ahh, yes. Techniques for getting ahead. Use every tool in reach till it crumbles to dust. That's how a man succeeds. Eh, dandy?”
Behind his ladies' man veneer, he has set multiple schemes in motion to ruin Florem's society based on Crystalist values.
A 38-year-old man of unknown origin. He full name is Fiore DeRosa, and he holds the red mage asterisk. He is slowly but surely corrupting the devout nation of Florem from within with his meticulous schemes.
Likes: Exploitable women, rising to power, fame
Dislikes: Children, stubborn underlings
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Fiore DeRosa, Red Mage.
You are a Town Inventor, and begin with 3 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Active Abilities:
In The Red: Each Night, you may give target player an invention. You cannot use these abilities nor gift them to yourself. If you give out only one ability in a given Night, the recipient will also gain 1 BP.
Inventions (you have one of each):
Revenge: You gain 1 BP every time someone targets you with an ability.
Adrenaline: You gain 1 BP every time a player of the opposite alignment as you is lynched.
An Eye for an Eye: You gain 1 BP every time you Brave and spent 2 or more BP.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Have the courage to think and act on your own. And have the courage to disobey.”
A tailor living in Yulyana Woods who we asked to make the vestal garb we need to awaken the crystals. An easygoing, good-natured fellow.
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Sage Yulyana, Conjurer.
You are a Town Jack-of-all-Trades, and begin with 3 BP. You have the following special abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Max Summoning: You can't perform single night actions. (This means that you have a choice between Defaulting or spending 2 or more BP to use multiple night actions in a single Night.)
Active Abilities:
Invocation - Girtablulu: Each Night, you may activate this ability and be protected from kills this Night. You may only use this ability once each Night.
Invocation - Hresvelgr: Each Night, you may target another player and have that player be immune to all actions except kills. You may only use this ability once each Night.
Invocation - Promethean Fire: Each Night, you may target another player and learn who targeted that player that Night. You may only use this ability once each Night.
Invocation - Deus Ex: Each Night, you may target another player and remove 1 BP from that player. (This resolves during Defaults). You may only use this ability once each Night.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“Together we fight! Rally to me!”
First mate of the Black Blades. He fought alongside Commander Kamiizumi for years, and his free-spirited personality makes him well-liked.
A 35-year-old man from Caldisla. His name is Hayreddin Barbarossa, holder of the pirate asterisk. Uncommonly strong, he can spin his massive axe around like a windmill.
Likes: Axes, rum, barrels of apples
Dislikes: Poor weather, lulls in the wind, choppy seas
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Hayreddin Barbarossa, Pirate.
You are a Town Vanilla. You have no abilities.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
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“The way of the sword runs far and deep, as do the journeys on which it takes me.”
A master of all forms of swordplay. He taught Edea, and gifted her his favorite blade for her first campaign.
A 45-year-old man from Eternia. His full name is Nobutsuna Kamiizumi, and he holds the swordmaster asterisk. He is known far and wide as a formidable warrior and a great leader.
Likes: Bitter tea, sweet bean soup
Dislikes: Cowardice, all forms of alcohol
Welcome to Bravely Default Mafia, PLAYERNAME! You are Nobutsuna Kamiizumi, Swordmaster.
You are a Town Vanilla. You have no abilities.
Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
Please confirm via PM.
Mod Notes
To be honest, I thought the town was dominant for most of the game. After the Huntzilla lynch Day 1 and loran’s request to be replaced, I thought the scum were going to lose for sure - the scum weren’t on the Hunt wagon, so it wasn’t like they were cleared or anything. Furthermore, both of the scum were lurking hardcore, and fulcrum and Necarg were cleared from the Hunt lynch. ZDS did me a great favor replacing into a game that looked like it was going to being to be lost and doing a wonderful job paving the way to victory, so I have to give him the mafia MVP.
So, *how* exactly did the town lose from a dominant position? I can point to several factors, but I’ll just say this: The scum were insanely lucky to even have made it that far. The town was choke-full of power roles and had a ton of roles that could stop the scum in their tracks at any time. They mismanaged some of their roles, though, and the ones they didn’t mismanage the scum could bypass with the Jack-of-all-Trades. In addition, Sepiriel did an excellent job with the neighbor chat. I covered this in the spectator chat but one of the key things about N2 was ZDS bypassing both of the protect abilities and killing Vaimes. That was a great nightkill and the way they conveniently maneuvered to a lynch on Cythare was miraculous (I thought Sepiriel was going to be the one to swing). Cythare was going to kill ZDS and Sepiriel with his multi-vig-shot ability as well. It was amazing how Cythare never shot during the entire game - if he’d had done so even once the scum would have a very difficult time pulling out the win.
To put it shortly, mafia needed luck on their side as well as near-perfect play to pull out the win after the Hunt lynch, and both the luck and the skill came to them. The town got complacent in some areas (in D3 and D4) which the scum took advantage of. If I had to redesign this game, I’d probably remove the town JoaT and put in a vanilla, and rejigger the giving BP roles so that they wouldn’t be a 2:1 split (which was an unfortunate design decision). Unsure if I wanted to beef up scum BP totals.
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Q&A time!
@Sepiriel: The reason why BP was removed at the very end was because I didn’t want to roleblock players who were using BP to use abilities. That would have made BP removal stronger than I wanted it to be.
@ZDS: The “pairings” didn’t come up during review. Literally the process for this game revolved around building around the BP mechanic and trying to fit flavor into roles in a elegant way. I wanted this game to be similar to one of Xyre’s minis/Hobbit/Dr. Polyopticon where there were a bunch of power roles flying around but the game still was fun.
@Bur:
1. Kikyo’s Dual Wield was a red herring to make sure that the scum couldn’t have figured the entirety of the game from one role.
2. Same with Hresvelgr, designed to be a somewhat weak ability that could work in narrow circumstances.
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Let’s talk about the design decisions that went down with each role.
Airy: Meant to mostly be the mafia roleblocker. The previous incarnation of this role forced a player to either take a night action OR Default, and Megiddo told me to add this last-minute change with giving BP. In retrospect I wish I went with the old role so that the insta-clearing of two players didn’t happen. Wanted to see this role stay alive, but Huntzilla used his abilities in an interesting way (I would have given my BP to my teammates) which I guess ended working out in the end?
JoaT: Meant to circumvent the power cluster that this game had. This role didn’t change at all from when I first conceived it - it’s one of the more elegant roles that takes advantage of the BP system (in that you can “stack” abilities to make the NK more beneficial). I’ll cover the Tracker/Ninja more in the Tracker writeup. ZDS’s best use of the role, as I covered, was piercing the double-protect N2. Now that I think about it, the JoaT may have rendered parts of the setup useless (the doc, BG, JoaT did virtually nothing, ditto for tracker/watcher), so unsure if it was a great role design wise. I liked it, but it allowed most of the town’s power to be bypassed and was also swingy (if the Ninja was the first one offed).
Neighborizer: This guy went through a ton of changes, from a message sender, to a BP remover, to a neighborizer. The purpose of this role was to provide a townie-seeming false claim as opposed to the JoaT and Airy, and judging by Sepiriel’s use of it D2 he did a great job at it. Also doesn’t make the scum immediately die to a massclaim.
Bodyguard: One of my more favorite roles, though I’m unsure if putting three protective roles in the game was a smart idea. Rhand had the right idea for it in that you were supposed to build up until endgame then use it to protect a key target. Sadly fulcrum’s BP drain N1 quickly nullified this role in the beginning, and the Ninja role nullified it later in the game.
Tracker: Oh boy this role. So the reason why I decided to put the setup information in was that I was reading mafiascum design threads a while back and read this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=5138598
I essentially copied this interaction here:
I thought this was a cool minigame and turned a role interaction that I didn’t like into something interesting. Sadly I think this interaction would be better suited to a basic or something, since the tracker was one of the weaker power roles - the mafia didn’t really have much to worry about. In a game where the tracker was like, one of two/three power roles then I think this info giving minigame could work, or in a larger game. In this game most of the setup was divined from PoE so it didn’t have great impact.
Togs I felt made a mistake tracking N1 - I would have saved up BP, but Necarg saved him with the Vengeance trinket, allowing Togs to track every Night, which was a pretty significant upgrade. Problem was that scum had a built in way to deal with the tracker and it was lower on the totem pole for scum.
Doctor: Most of the notes on Bodyguard apply to here. Doctor and Bodyguard could create an unkillable situation but the scum had the tools to get rid of it (strongman kill). Generic took advantage of the BP mechanic, protecting two people some Nights, but again the scum had the JoaT.
Vigilante: This was a super swingy role. I wanted maybe a vig in the setup and originally this was just a one-shot vig, but I wanted it to interact with the BP system more and I reused Rhand’s role from Celestial Mafia. This role never ended up being used but it had the potential to end the game out of nowhere. I think this role would have been better suited in a larger game but is probably too swingy in a Mini, especially when piled on top of an already swingy BP system.
BP Manager: One of the town BP giving roles. I hoped that this wouldn’t be an auto clear because the BP drain felt pretty scummy, but fulcrum insta-cleared herself with the counterclaim. She only ever used the BP Drain N1 and gave it to Vaimes; she never did anything with her role after that. I think that maybe passing on BP to Cythare would have been important to the setup? That’s one of the problems with the JoaT role, I think - outside of fulcrum draining ZDS’s BP, the scum were clear from any BP related shenanigans.
Inventor: This was meant to be a skill testing role - it was good if given to town but if given to scum it would have been scary. The giving out 1 BP was added to prevent the user from just firing these off N1. Might have been a tad bit complex but I liked the role - had a neat twist on normal Inventors.
Vanilla: I feel compelled to mention that one of the Vanillas was a BP Cop before Megiddo forced me to change it.
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How did everyone like the BP mechanic? I’d say that the mechanic strongly discourages you from losing your last shot, as that puts severe handicaps on your ability use for the next two Day phases.
Thoughts on flavor? It’s a pet peeve of mine when mods go like “flavor later” and then never add it *cough* Megiddo *cough*, so I made sure to write all of the flavor scenes in a (hopefully) timely manner.
Is there a reason why my games are always so inactive? This game didn’t break 1k posts, WitchHunt didn’t, uPick barely did. Unsure if it’s a problem with my modding or the playerbase.
I’ll reconsider the deadline system due to ZDS’s feedback - it’s true that the game needs more time in lylo situations. Unsure of a good compromise - any ideas? I typically am a fan of short deadlines but it fails when the playerbase is mostly inactive.
Last of all, thanks for playing, and special thanks for ZDS and Bur for replacing in!
1. Each Night you gain 1 BP (this is more in line with the original game mechanic), my reasoning for this is that then Defaulting doesnt become a "ow shucks i blew my load and now i need to wait" but rather a "ok do i blow my load now or do i wait for a bigger effect tomorrow?"
2. With a system like the BP system in place multiple tricks roles like JoaT's and Inventors make the game way too swingy, instead you could have made it so BP investment increased a power (say for example ZDS, 1BP gave him the ninja kill, 2 BP gave him a strongman hit, 3 BP gave something like a Strongarm Ninja kill or something equally silly)
3. The BP givers/takers synergized and neutered one another too much, the fact that Huntz couldnt bring up how dubious the whole point of 3 role effectively doing the same thing in some way or another coupled with him getting behaviorally caught was a big hit for the scum.
I think you did a good job with the flavor, i almost felt like the game could be flavor gamed to a win actually.... given the roles and fake claims the scum was given.
No complains on ZDS getting MVP i know i would have bungled it to a loss on D2 had it just been me alone