@Pizzaguy: Well played. Really well played, you truly deserve that Scum MVP for this game (well, I agree that 6 out of 7 MVPs were given to the people who truly earned them). I managed to fool me (and many others) several times in this game. The next time we play together, I really need to pay attention if you start pinging my "something's off" radar instead of ignoring my gut. (I recall that the time when we found out that there were a fiend summoner and summoner can't attack their own summons, I was suspicious of you for being "Oh, let me prove I'm not scum by attacking it! See, I'm not scum!" when pretty much everyone was town reading you...)
I hope to see you (and Mojito) maybe in another game that is not as slow paced as this one here.
@Seppel & gan: Thanks for the game. I really enjoyed this one, even though it was quite unlike a normal game of mafia. You really put effort in this game and it showed.
@Iso: I'm truly sorry for letting you down.
It was bit hilarious and bit sad to see that both my abilities were given to scum as fake claims (even though I tried to hide what lvl 5 Haste does and though we might be able surprise scum with it. This caused me lots of confusion, when Pizzaguy seemed to know what my ability does when I hadn't even hinted at it).
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Hey, to be fair, I am 1/1 in calling you town and being correct. I don't blindly attack anyone, not my style!
And I am annoyed you managed to re-kill me before I could talk about you ;<
On the other hand it is always an ego boost when the scum board is all like "oh my god kill chris, kill it with fire." Means I did something right.
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2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I felt I played well this game, especially early when I was active and also near the top of most t/s lists.
But later on, when I lost the ability to be active thanks to work, pizza turned the game into easy mode. He basically controlled the majority of the town's brain. Pizza made jskura kill my level 1 summon when I was also one of the few people in the pile who hadn't attacked yet, pizza accused jskura of fake-tunneling on imab when I'd been doing it since Day 1, pizza highlighted all my good plays while sweeping the negative under the rug and no one noticed.
There's probably more I'm forgetting.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Oh, and to everyone complaining that this "wasn't mafia," I feel partially responsible as I lied about my feelings on eeveelution on Day 1 and pushed hard to keep the town from getting organized. So, sorry if that was a factor in making the game less enjoyable for you, but I was playing to win .
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
The next time we play together, I really need to pay attention if you start pinging my "something's off" radar instead of ignoring my gut.
You gotta see me townie with this group for comparison's sake.
I'm pretty good at mimicking my town game when scum, and now that this game has happened, people are going to be super paranoid about me.
Listen to your gut, but don't discount your head. If I'm town, and I usually will be, and you suspect me, I gotta be able to reach past your "reject the infectious foreign infiltrator" response and touch your reasoning center. Your gut is there as a defense mechanism. It is often right, or else we'd usually ignore our gut feelings because we'd know it's a false alarm. But, it's not always right, and I tend to make people suspect me way more often as town than as scum. Mostly because as town, I am not playing in a manner designed to avoid your scum-sensors. Whereas when I am mafia, that's one of my foremost concerns. I'm an incredibly scummy townie.
You've got your self-defense response in place and you've seen what I'm capable of doing. Next time, you'll anticipate that yes I can do X as scum, and therefore will be suspecting that is the case, and will be looking for evidence to support that idea. No one likes to be fooled over and over, so now your typical response is to "ensure I don't get fooled". That usually makes you hyper-vigilant and that means I'm now probably mislynch fodder for several games to come. It's a vicious cycle.
When townie-ing with me:
Don't let me run the discussion, let me participate in it and offer my verbose opinion, and cite my reasons. But always do your own solve attempt and listen to both your head and your gut. I don't always have to lead, if you've taken a look at what I have to say, and you disagree, I have to follow you, if I think you're town. We can't just deadlock our votes because we disagree. I often, as townie, suggest a course of action, try to get people to follow, but if I can't get what I want, I find another townie I trust and follow their suggestion. If I suspect you, I am capable of changing my mind even if I'm pretty sure you're scum. I do reversals of opinion a lot and am deliberately unpredictable. I usually have wildly different reads by endgame than I had in the middle to early game. That allows me to examine the game from multiple perspectives and I often challenge the scumbags systematically, if they're under my radar now, they could be front and center later. It will probably throw you off a little bit, how I am pretty vehement that we should do X, and yet, I'm likely to take the opposite position suddenly.
I don't really know why my townie approach is so alien to most people, but, it may not make a lot of sense. You'll hopefully get used to it, or I'll always be a bizarre enigma. Either way is fine.
It was bit hilarious and bit sad to see that both my abilities were given to scum as fake claims (even though I tried to hide what lvl 5 Haste does and though we might be able surprise scum with it. This caused me lots of confusion, when Pizzaguy seemed to know what my ability does when I hadn't even hinted at it).
I actually wanted to draw attention from Kool and Kami and even some townies onto me. Subtly so for Kami and Kool, but more to the point, eventually all town credits become invalid, and I don't care if I get solved for as scum, when I've already accomplished my objective of getting X and Y to endgame and in a position where the solve isn't very obvious even if I die.
It might even be the case that it looks like I'm trying to get townie points for trying to "bus" MisterSins, Proph, or Jskura, and townies will think that I made a slip.
At a certain point, I actually want to capture all your attention, even if it is negative, particularly if folks like Kami and Koolkoal were going to go under more intense scrutiny because they had been drifting for a bit, and the POE was closing in on them.
At that point, given I had been stuffing myself with HP, drawing attention to me would have given them even further rink to skate down for a while.
Stun Strike wasn't that important, more important was Throw and Assassinate, and KK and KA could do both without me. And it also turned out those advanced summons were really important too.
Hey, to be fair, I am 1/1 in calling you town and being correct. I don't blindly attack anyone, not my style!
That is the greater challenge. I still can't figure out how to get people to town-read me when my goal is finding scum.
And I am annoyed you managed to re-kill me before I could talk about you
I felt like it was really super important we kept you silenced, and also, get people talking about who could possibly have summoned an evil NPC, as opposed to things like hey, who did Sir Chris suspect again?
The last thing I needed was a giant wall from you saying Lynch Pizza, then Lynch KoolKoal, and then....
That would have been the end of us. So death needed to happen on your face, quickly. As such, I requested KK summon a malboro and train it how to eat you.
Om nom nom.
Worth it.
On the other hand it is always an ego boost when the scum board is all like "oh my god kill chris, kill it with fire." Means I did something right.
It is the highest honor, when the scumbags are certain they cannot win with you alive.
Sometimes it is misdirection or a neutral kill, but sometimes we kill people who are too dangerous to be left alive.
I felt I played well this game, especially early when I was active and also near the top of most t/s lists.
But later on, when I lost the ability to be active thanks to work, pizza turned the game into easy mode. He basically controlled the majority of the town's brain. Pizza made jskura kill my level 1 summon when I was also one of the few people in the pile who hadn't attacked yet, pizza accused jskura of fake-tunneling on imab when I'd been doing it since Day 1, pizza highlighted all my good plays while sweeping the negative under the rug and no one noticed.
That quick decision to challenge Jskura to kill the summon was totally a desperation maneuver. I realized you had like a 1:3 chance of being asked to kill your own summon, and I couldn't afford to lose you just then.
I thought I could make that scummy maneuver happen and make it seem totally townie, but yeah, my cards were tipping a little bit on that one.
It worked. It was way better than not doing it, imo.
I do what I can to ensure good things happen to my teammates, and try to avoid the bad things. That's why the X Dance on Vezok stings so much. Oh, if only we had wiped out Cythare sooner, I feel we would have then just KO'ed Hooker and this would have been over a while ago.
Focusing too much on the cure and protect white mages, before hitting Hooker, and instead we should have killed off the vigilantes and then hookerpunch, and not really cared about the white mages at all.
Bad prioritization nearly handed the game back to the town for good. I take all the blame on not killing the townies off in a superior order than we did.
I argued a lot for certain kills. There were better moves, but it's a semi blindfolded chess match as it is. I can't beat myself up too much for imperfect move choices.
I thought I posted here already, but apparently hadn't. I obviously wish I'd made some different choices - I was 50/50 for choosing KoolKoal v. MisterSins on Night 11, but it is what it is.
Askthepizzaguy, it was great having you in the game, and I hope to see you around in other games. Your positivity is extremely refreshing.
Game was fun, still think the setup is broke a little and doesn't take into account player psychology and the ability to coordinate, but not too bad. Liked playing with everyone ^^
I thought I posted here already, but apparently hadn't. I obviously wish I'd made some different choices - I was 50/50 for choosing KoolKoal v. MisterSins on Night 11, but it is what it is.
Well, I was the one scum that was vulnerable to the Level 5 ability 0 nights after you claimed it. Or was my fake-claim at level 15 that night? I didn't keep track and would have had to find my claim and do math if anyone asked me a question about it again
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
I think I said somewhere that town apathy was what was going to lose the game for the town, considering it was pretty much Sepi, Pizza and myself posting...
W may only be paid with white mana. U may only be paid with blue mana. B may only be paid with black mana. R may only be paid with red mana. G may only be paid with green mana. C may only be paid with colorless mana. 1 may be paid with white, blue, black, red, green, or clolorless mana.
I'm weirded out by WG's #14 and GJ's #43 for voting when the rules say there aren't any votes, only attacks.
I'm also pinged by KK's #36 where he calls for a mass claim of attack stat. That would be more helpful to the scum. If scum knock out the town with higher attack stat, it would be more difficult to kill the scum. I'm not sure if I distrust him for it but I think it's a bad idea.
LOL
Too bad Blindfaeth didn't stick around. What a post, so early on. Cythare did great but wow. Look at this.
Re-reading the game for fun as opposed to for finding stuff I can use. Notice stuff like this...
I hope to see you (and Mojito) maybe in another game that is not as slow paced as this one here.
@Seppel & gan: Thanks for the game. I really enjoyed this one, even though it was quite unlike a normal game of mafia. You really put effort in this game and it showed.
@Iso: I'm truly sorry for letting you down.
It was bit hilarious and bit sad to see that both my abilities were given to scum as fake claims (even though I tried to hide what lvl 5 Haste does and though we might be able surprise scum with it. This caused me lots of confusion, when Pizzaguy seemed to know what my ability does when I hadn't even hinted at it).
And I am annoyed you managed to re-kill me before I could talk about you ;<
On the other hand it is always an ego boost when the scum board is all like "oh my god kill chris, kill it with fire." Means I did something right.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
But later on, when I lost the ability to be active thanks to work, pizza turned the game into easy mode. He basically controlled the majority of the town's brain. Pizza made jskura kill my level 1 summon when I was also one of the few people in the pile who hadn't attacked yet, pizza accused jskura of fake-tunneling on imab when I'd been doing it since Day 1, pizza highlighted all my good plays while sweeping the negative under the rug and no one noticed.
There's probably more I'm forgetting.
You gotta see me townie with this group for comparison's sake.
I'm pretty good at mimicking my town game when scum, and now that this game has happened, people are going to be super paranoid about me.
Listen to your gut, but don't discount your head. If I'm town, and I usually will be, and you suspect me, I gotta be able to reach past your "reject the infectious foreign infiltrator" response and touch your reasoning center. Your gut is there as a defense mechanism. It is often right, or else we'd usually ignore our gut feelings because we'd know it's a false alarm. But, it's not always right, and I tend to make people suspect me way more often as town than as scum. Mostly because as town, I am not playing in a manner designed to avoid your scum-sensors. Whereas when I am mafia, that's one of my foremost concerns. I'm an incredibly scummy townie.
You've got your self-defense response in place and you've seen what I'm capable of doing. Next time, you'll anticipate that yes I can do X as scum, and therefore will be suspecting that is the case, and will be looking for evidence to support that idea. No one likes to be fooled over and over, so now your typical response is to "ensure I don't get fooled". That usually makes you hyper-vigilant and that means I'm now probably mislynch fodder for several games to come. It's a vicious cycle.
When townie-ing with me:
Don't let me run the discussion, let me participate in it and offer my verbose opinion, and cite my reasons. But always do your own solve attempt and listen to both your head and your gut. I don't always have to lead, if you've taken a look at what I have to say, and you disagree, I have to follow you, if I think you're town. We can't just deadlock our votes because we disagree. I often, as townie, suggest a course of action, try to get people to follow, but if I can't get what I want, I find another townie I trust and follow their suggestion. If I suspect you, I am capable of changing my mind even if I'm pretty sure you're scum. I do reversals of opinion a lot and am deliberately unpredictable. I usually have wildly different reads by endgame than I had in the middle to early game. That allows me to examine the game from multiple perspectives and I often challenge the scumbags systematically, if they're under my radar now, they could be front and center later. It will probably throw you off a little bit, how I am pretty vehement that we should do X, and yet, I'm likely to take the opposite position suddenly.
I don't really know why my townie approach is so alien to most people, but, it may not make a lot of sense. You'll hopefully get used to it, or I'll always be a bizarre enigma. Either way is fine.
I actually wanted to draw attention from Kool and Kami and even some townies onto me. Subtly so for Kami and Kool, but more to the point, eventually all town credits become invalid, and I don't care if I get solved for as scum, when I've already accomplished my objective of getting X and Y to endgame and in a position where the solve isn't very obvious even if I die.
It might even be the case that it looks like I'm trying to get townie points for trying to "bus" MisterSins, Proph, or Jskura, and townies will think that I made a slip.
At a certain point, I actually want to capture all your attention, even if it is negative, particularly if folks like Kami and Koolkoal were going to go under more intense scrutiny because they had been drifting for a bit, and the POE was closing in on them.
At that point, given I had been stuffing myself with HP, drawing attention to me would have given them even further rink to skate down for a while.
Stun Strike wasn't that important, more important was Throw and Assassinate, and KK and KA could do both without me. And it also turned out those advanced summons were really important too.
That is the greater challenge. I still can't figure out how to get people to town-read me when my goal is finding scum.
I felt like it was really super important we kept you silenced, and also, get people talking about who could possibly have summoned an evil NPC, as opposed to things like hey, who did Sir Chris suspect again?
The last thing I needed was a giant wall from you saying Lynch Pizza, then Lynch KoolKoal, and then....
That would have been the end of us. So death needed to happen on your face, quickly. As such, I requested KK summon a malboro and train it how to eat you.
Om nom nom.
Worth it.
It is the highest honor, when the scumbags are certain they cannot win with you alive.
Sometimes it is misdirection or a neutral kill, but sometimes we kill people who are too dangerous to be left alive.
That quick decision to challenge Jskura to kill the summon was totally a desperation maneuver. I realized you had like a 1:3 chance of being asked to kill your own summon, and I couldn't afford to lose you just then.
I thought I could make that scummy maneuver happen and make it seem totally townie, but yeah, my cards were tipping a little bit on that one.
It worked. It was way better than not doing it, imo.
I do what I can to ensure good things happen to my teammates, and try to avoid the bad things. That's why the X Dance on Vezok stings so much. Oh, if only we had wiped out Cythare sooner, I feel we would have then just KO'ed Hooker and this would have been over a while ago.
Focusing too much on the cure and protect white mages, before hitting Hooker, and instead we should have killed off the vigilantes and then hookerpunch, and not really cared about the white mages at all.
Bad prioritization nearly handed the game back to the town for good. I take all the blame on not killing the townies off in a superior order than we did.
I argued a lot for certain kills. There were better moves, but it's a semi blindfolded chess match as it is. I can't beat myself up too much for imperfect move choices.
Askthepizzaguy, it was great having you in the game, and I hope to see you around in other games. Your positivity is extremely refreshing.
Draft my cube! (630 cards)
Either way, we're all gonna burn
I was literally too lazy that day to come up with my scum lie.
Sad, but frickin' true.
LOL
Too bad Blindfaeth didn't stick around. What a post, so early on. Cythare did great but wow. Look at this.
Re-reading the game for fun as opposed to for finding stuff I can use. Notice stuff like this...