THAT'S THE POINT: THERE AREN'T ANY BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORING THE ATTACK.
Right I ignored you and zds but went after cyan because he's scum. His accusation was utter bull***** while it looked loke you and zds could be scumhunting. You add caveats like context but then don't actually apply it. For example BE calls the tell utilized as crap. I ignored your accusation completely. Cyan called OMGUS scummy and then proceeded to engage in OMGUS. But the only person your not scumreading is the person who' engaged in flippant hypocrisy. Your not showing logical consistency.
Thing is, if you thought it looked likeZDS and I could be scumhunting, (hedged language duly noted) then the Townie response would have been to explain why you used the language you did. By ignoring it you show that you have no explanation for it.
What's to explain? I figured it was obvious I've been phone posting most of the game (powerlunch vs powerlynch). You only apply "context" to my biggest scumread which is cyan. When it comes to everyone else context be damned. Are you even reading the game? You don't seem to know why I actually went after Cyan and you made a statement you had to walk back on already when it comes to attacking attackers vs ignoring attackers.
Tell me more about what you like about the slip on page 1.
I think plowshare summed it up nicely. But in my own words, imab makes a post whereby he tries to make an educated guess as to some of the makeup of the roles in the game, and talks about the town using the word "we'll" twice and then removes himself from the situation to refer to the town as if he's not included.
Can I ask why you are obsessed with this? And/or what you are looking for specifically? I think it was an astute observation of plow's on page 1 for only 35 posts in the game. I didn't notice it until plow mentioned it and scrolled back up to read the post.
I've thought it over and I don't think I am crazy here. The dude's not had a single post with anything longer than one sentence at a time this entire game. He is incredibly vapid. I fell for this stupidity in Castlevania mafia, I think BE2 should prove he is town by actually giving thoughts. Let's have an adventure.
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I've thought it over and I don't think I am crazy here. The dude's not had a single post with anything longer than one sentence at a time this entire game. He is incredibly vapid. I fell for this stupidity in Castlevania mafia, I think BE2 should prove he is town by actually giving thoughts. Let's have an adventure.
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Where I come from Cyan when one has a DISAGREEMENT about an ASSESSMENT they use big things called sentences to concisely voice that disagreement. But perhaps you are under the impression that your disapproval, vague and doom-like it is, makes up for not actually playing the game of mafia.
How about we stick with the whole discourse thing, it works well.
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What's to explain? I figured it was obvious I've been phone posting most of the game (powerlunch vs powerlynch). You only apply "context" to my biggest scumread which is cyan. When it comes to everyone else context be damned. Are you even reading the game? You don't seem to know why I actually went after Cyan and you made a statement you had to walk back on already when it comes to attacking attackers vs ignoring attackers.
The entire reason for my initial vote on you was because of your disassociative slip when discussing the game setup. That's what you should have explained. You didn't. And I don't get what thee fuss with context is about. I most certainly have not gone back on anything; you just obviously cannot read. When someone is pressured and their defense is to attack their attacker or attackers (the person) in the context of ignoring attacks (the reasoning) is the scum tell. Has been. Will be. It displays a lack of ability to explain away the reasoning behind the attack itself and so you are left only to undermine the person who made it.
As of this post I will be completely ignoring ANY further post by imab. Hardcore serious.
Plow if you feel he is scum why are you getting so frustrated? I would think you would be eager to keep pouncing upon him if you believe your cause is righteous. Why so much anger? It looks a bit like theatrics.
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I've thought it over and I don't think I am crazy here. The dude's not had a single post with anything longer than one sentence at a time this entire game. He is incredibly vapid. I fell for this stupidity in Castlevania mafia, I think BE2 should prove he is town by actually giving thoughts. Let's have an adventure.
Go read any of my towngames. I recommend Dinosaurs as a good read. Also, this is 3 sentences
What's to explain? I figured it was obvious I've been phone posting most of the game (powerlunch vs powerlynch). You only apply "context" to my biggest scumread which is cyan. When it comes to everyone else context be damned. Are you even reading the game? You don't seem to know why I actually went after Cyan and you made a statement you had to walk back on already when it comes to attacking attackers vs ignoring attackers.
The entire reason for my initial vote on you was because of your disassociative slip when discussing the game setup. That's what you should have explained. You didn't. And I don't get what thee fuss with context is about. I most certainly have not gone back on anything; you just obviously cannot read. When someone is pressured and their defense is to attack their attacker or attackers (the person) in the context of ignoring attacks (the reasoning) is the scum tell. Has been. Will be. It displays a lack of ability to explain away the reasoning behind the attack itself and so you are left only to undermine the person who made it.
As of this post I will be completely ignoring ANY further post by imab. Hardcore serious.
Plowshares I.s probably town. Also, I am probably ignoring all posts from both of you.
What's to explain? I figured it was obvious I've been phone posting most of the game (powerlunch vs powerlynch). You only apply "context" to my biggest scumread which is cyan. When it comes to everyone else context be damned. Are you even reading the game? You don't seem to know why I actually went after Cyan and you made a statement you had to walk back on already when it comes to attacking attackers vs ignoring attackers.
The entire reason for my initial vote on you was because of your disassociative slip when discussing the game setup. That's what you should have explained. You didn't. And I don't get what thee fuss with context is about. I most certainly have not gone back on anything; you just obviously cannot read. When someone is pressured and their defense is to attack their attacker or attackers (the person) in the context of ignoring attacks (the reasoning) is the scum tell. Has been. Will be. It displays a lack of ability to explain away the reasoning behind the attack itself and so you are left only to undermine the person who made it.
As of this post I will be completely ignoring ANY further post by imab. Hardcore serious.
So got it. Attacking the attackers is scummy but when called on it he also mentions ignoring the attacks is scummy. But when called on that he resorts to context and then takes his ball and decides not to play anymore.
Like I said, ther's a lot of people this game who are terrible or scum.
Plow if you feel he is scum why are you getting so frustrated? I would think you would be eager to keep pouncing upon him if you believe your cause is righteous. Why so much anger? It looks a bit like theatrics.
Where I come from Cyan when one has a DISAGREEMENT about an ASSESSMENT they use big things called sentences to concisely voice that disagreement. But perhaps you are under the impression that your disapproval, vague and doom-like it is, makes up for not actually playing the game of mafia.
How about we stick with the whole discourse thing, it works well.
I mean..you are voting him for something that flatly applies to scum and town equally. And you know this. This is particularly non-relevant given that we are only 270 posts into the game.
Like, it would be one thing if you have provided some other town BE2 game where he was really loquacious, and this game provided some stark contrast. But saying that we should push a lynch on someone because he is vapid is really questionable, especially given earlier circumstances.
At the same time, I don't think that this makes you scum, because you seem savvy and aware enough to not immediately throw yourself back into the fire so soon. I'm just saying. You should know better.
Cyan is he going to burst into flames for my vote? Is he going to be sent to the gates of hell? I want pressure upon him to provide meaningful content for me to judge him by other than what he has provided. You pressure people by voting for them and holding them to account. I want more from BE2. Is there a problem with using my vote to get it?
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There is a problem with you using it on that particular person, in my estimation. Plus like..is it really necessary? You couldn't just ask him to contribute more first?
How do you feel about this now that he seems to have linked you a game where he was town and posted the same way?
Are you doing the thing with BE that I do with certain players where I take them under my wing and I shoo pressure off of them because they are so ... special at the game that pressure just causes them to break down and cry rather than to become useful? I do that sometimes, if that's what you're doing I can understand.
Also I felt like voting for him. He lived through it, apparently.
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Plow if you feel he is scum why are you getting so frustrated? I would think you would be eager to keep pouncing upon him if you believe your cause is righteous. Why so much anger? It looks a bit like theatrics.
That is 100% bull*****.
Elaborate please?
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Are you doing the thing with BE that I do with certain players where I take them under my wing and I shoo pressure off of them because they are so ... special at the game that pressure just causes them to break down and cry rather than to become useful? I do that sometimes, if that's what you're doing I can understand.
With some townies, this is what is necessary for the good of the town as a whole. :/
Okay, I can understand the perspective. I've been there. I do it like every game back in my other community because people are dumb and like to lynch obvious members of town for very bad reasons.
I am still going to need BE to be more elaborate with his replies. He can have juice in between answers.
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Stop being a bully. Does calling other people names make you feel better? Maybe you are the one who is terrible or scum. #isaiditcuznooneelsewould
Oh my God social justice warriors are now infecting our mafia games. You didn't have ***** to say when cyan called my post so dumb and wheat agreed with it. You didn't have anything to say when plow called me dense. Social Justice warriors are the absolute worst people on the internet and I'm. Rather sickened that we're going to be subject to your hate-filled agenda for this game. Please keep your filthy politics out of it.
Stop being a bully. Does calling other people names make you feel better? Maybe you are the one who is terrible or scum. #isaiditcuznooneelsewould
Oh my God social justice warriors are now infecting our mafia games. You didn't have ***** to say when cyan called my post so dumb and wheat agreed with it. You didn't have anything to say when plow called me dense. Social Justice warriors are the absolute worst people on the internet and I'm. Rather sickened that we're going to be subject to your hate-filled agenda for this game. Please keep your filthy politics out of it.
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... What the ****.
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imab, bullying is a mafia concept. You're the one pulling politics into it, and rather out of nowhere as far as I can tell. Please stop.
Hunt, you're saying you were intentionally testing for reactions? OK. What did you find?
Cyan, you had a "slight" scum read on KJ, and you said that you didn't have a solid judgement. Now you say he's much more likely than imab. What changed?
@WG's 236 - you must be confusing me with someone else. I have not said anywhere that I think imab is town. I state light suspicion of him in 53/54 and again in 219. Or is "bad" considered town in your world and "good" considered mafia? You're confusing the ***** out of me dude.
Okay so
Hans says "I think IMAB, wheat, and Seppel seem town. I'm not liking Sir Chris so far."
Right? You quoted it, so I know you know he said it.
You say, "This is interesting for the sole fact I have the complete opposite opinion as of the time of this post. I am liking Chris over wheat"
You specifically mention Chris and I, but there are two more people mentioned in hans' post, one of which you don't feel completely opposite about.
Is "scum" considered something other then the complete opposite of town in your world? You're confusing the ***** out of me dude.
But I think we should focus a bit on the people NOT fighting with one another for a few moments.
Like Hansa...
Where the heck did Hansa go?
Unvote
Vote Hansa
Content to hide on the sidelines doing nothing?
All of this content to decipher, and the best you can come up with is 'vote the guy that hasn't posted anything'. Come on Huntzilla.
@Kami: The way that he just keeps following ZDS on wagons can't be a coincidence. Like he was just ocnvinced I was scum, and then bailed so quickly. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me. Especially considering how KJ has acted toward me before when he was town and thought I was scum. And in those instances, I was! And I get away from him..twice. It just doesn't track.
Stop being a bully. Does calling other people names make you feel better? Maybe you are the one who is terrible or scum. #isaiditcuznooneelsewould
Oh my God social justice warriors are now infecting our mafia games. You didn't have ***** to say when cyan called my post so dumb and wheat agreed with it. You didn't have anything to say when plow called me dense. Social Justice warriors are the absolute worst people on the internet and I'm. Rather sickened that we're going to be subject to your hate-filled agenda for this game. Please keep your filthy politics out of it.
imab, bullying is a mafia concept. You're the one pulling politics into it, and rather out of nowhere as far as I can tell. Please stop.
Hunt, you're saying you were intentionally testing for reactions? OK. What did you find?
Cyan, you had a "slight" scum read on KJ, and you said that you didn't have a solid judgement. Now you say he's much more likely than imab. What changed?
If blind were really so conscerned about bullying in this game she'd address all the bullying I' e been subject to. She kept her mouth shut about it. She's two-faced at best but more probably she's a bigot against people like me.
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imab, bullying is a mafia concept. You're the one pulling politics into it, and rather out of nowhere as far as I can tell. Please stop.
Hunt, you're saying you were intentionally testing for reactions? OK. What did you find?
Cyan, you had a "slight" scum read on KJ, and you said that you didn't have a solid judgement. Now you say he's much more likely than imab. What changed?
Sorry Kami, Missed this one...
For the Russian stuff...
Well I felt Cyan reacted naturally to it and mentioned he was Russian, town, and that I was off base. Wheat pointing it out is townie to me because I knwo he was doing it because he thinks I am slow. So it came from a helpful place.
@WG's 236 - you must be confusing me with someone else. I have not said anywhere that I think imab is town. I state light suspicion of him in 53/54 and again in 219. Or is "bad" considered town in your world and "good" considered mafia? You're confusing the ***** out of me dude.
Okay so
Hans says "I think IMAB, wheat, and Seppel seem town. I'm not liking Sir Chris so far."
Right? You quoted it, so I know you know he said it.
You say, "This is interesting for the sole fact I have the complete opposite opinion as of the time of this post. I am liking Chris over wheat"
You specifically mention Chris and I, but there are two more people mentioned in hans' post, one of which you don't feel completely opposite about.
Is "scum" considered something other then the complete opposite of town in your world? You're confusing the ***** out of me dude.
Right. I'm not trusting imab, you, or Seppel. I am leaning towards trusting Chris. Please quote where I've indicated otherwise.
Not dumb, but now it's my job to figure out whether your suspicion was genuine or fabricated. Can you please tell me which of my posts confused you into thinking I contradicted myself?
All of this content to decipher, and the best you can come up with is 'vote the guy that hasn't posted anything'. Come on Huntzilla.
Like I said. I think you are town. The way Imab is on you and Plowshares is reminiscent of the way he bulldogged me for days in Animal Mafia. I would put him at town for that as well. I don't particularly like B_E's style and I have a tendency to scumread him. I could get on board with a Scum!BE lynch.
I like your assessment here of KJ's play. I also like the way that you subtly throw in the fact that you are town in this game.
Not sure on Plow at this moment, but I would say lean town. Same with ZDS. same with Wheat and Kami and even Seppel.
But I think we should focus a bit on the people NOT fighting with one another for a few moments.
Like Hansa...
Where the heck did Hansa go?
Unvote
Vote Hansa
Content to hide on the sidelines doing nothing?
All of this content to decipher, and the best you can come up with is 'vote the guy that hasn't posted anything'. Come on Huntzilla.
@Kami: The way that he just keeps following ZDS on wagons can't be a coincidence. Like he was just ocnvinced I was scum, and then bailed so quickly. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me. Especially considering how KJ has acted toward me before when he was town and thought I was scum. And in those instances, I was! And I get away from him..twice. It just doesn't track.
He's only voted twice; that certainly can be coincidence. And he just said you can wait, he didn't say his scum read on you is gone.
That's not a coincidence, that makes my point on him look even better. He barned ZDS in voting me, and barned ZDS in moving his vote off of me, and barned ZDS in his choice of new targets after unvoting me. Too much coincidence is a pattern. And this is not a pattern that makes KJ look good. Also, him saying I can 'wait' sounds completely hollow, because of our prior games.
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It's also worth pointing out that just barning another person is exactly what KJ did in the game we were just scum together in. He followed my suspicion on masterplum and then onto antny as well.
So I'm very happy now with the idea that KJ and ZDS are both scum.
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imabusinessman (2): Plowshares, KamikazeArchon
Burning_Earth2 (2): Blindfaeth, Sir Chris
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Add Blindfaeth and Cantrip to the list of people that I like. And something about ZDS's tone makes be think that he is scum, so I'm currently more comfortable pursuing him rather than Chris.
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What's to explain? I figured it was obvious I've been phone posting most of the game (powerlunch vs powerlynch). You only apply "context" to my biggest scumread which is cyan. When it comes to everyone else context be damned. Are you even reading the game? You don't seem to know why I actually went after Cyan and you made a statement you had to walk back on already when it comes to attacking attackers vs ignoring attackers.
I think plowshare summed it up nicely. But in my own words, imab makes a post whereby he tries to make an educated guess as to some of the makeup of the roles in the game, and talks about the town using the word "we'll" twice and then removes himself from the situation to refer to the town as if he's not included.
Can I ask why you are obsessed with this? And/or what you are looking for specifically? I think it was an astute observation of plow's on page 1 for only 35 posts in the game. I didn't notice it until plow mentioned it and scrolled back up to read the post.
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I've thought it over and I don't think I am crazy here. The dude's not had a single post with anything longer than one sentence at a time this entire game. He is incredibly vapid. I fell for this stupidity in Castlevania mafia, I think BE2 should prove he is town by actually giving thoughts. Let's have an adventure.
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My confidence in you is fading.
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How about we stick with the whole discourse thing, it works well.
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As of this post I will be completely ignoring ANY further post by imab. Hardcore serious.
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Go read any of my towngames. I recommend Dinosaurs as a good read. Also, this is 3 sentences
Plowshares I.s probably town. Also, I am probably ignoring all posts from both of you.
So got it. Attacking the attackers is scummy but when called on it he also mentions ignoring the attacks is scummy. But when called on that he resorts to context and then takes his ball and decides not to play anymore.
Like I said, ther's a lot of people this game who are terrible or scum.
That is 100% bull*****.
I mean..you are voting him for something that flatly applies to scum and town equally. And you know this. This is particularly non-relevant given that we are only 270 posts into the game.
Like, it would be one thing if you have provided some other town BE2 game where he was really loquacious, and this game provided some stark contrast. But saying that we should push a lynch on someone because he is vapid is really questionable, especially given earlier circumstances.
At the same time, I don't think that this makes you scum, because you seem savvy and aware enough to not immediately throw yourself back into the fire so soon. I'm just saying. You should know better.
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How do you feel about this now that he seems to have linked you a game where he was town and posted the same way?
I'm keeping my vote on Plowshares.
Also I felt like voting for him. He lived through it, apparently.
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Elaborate please?
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With some townies, this is what is necessary for the good of the town as a whole. :/
I am still going to need BE to be more elaborate with his replies. He can have juice in between answers.
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Oh my God social justice warriors are now infecting our mafia games. You didn't have ***** to say when cyan called my post so dumb and wheat agreed with it. You didn't have anything to say when plow called me dense. Social Justice warriors are the absolute worst people on the internet and I'm. Rather sickened that we're going to be subject to your hate-filled agenda for this game. Please keep your filthy politics out of it.
#thisisamafiagamenotyoursoapbox
Ugh,
Wrong game?
... What the ****.
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Hunt, you're saying you were intentionally testing for reactions? OK. What did you find?
Cyan, you had a "slight" scum read on KJ, and you said that you didn't have a solid judgement. Now you say he's much more likely than imab. What changed?
Okay so
Hans says "I think IMAB, wheat, and Seppel seem town. I'm not liking Sir Chris so far."
Right? You quoted it, so I know you know he said it.
You say, "This is interesting for the sole fact I have the complete opposite opinion as of the time of this post. I am liking Chris over wheat"
You specifically mention Chris and I, but there are two more people mentioned in hans' post, one of which you don't feel completely opposite about.
Is "scum" considered something other then the complete opposite of town in your world? You're confusing the ***** out of me dude.
So we have
Cyan Vs. Chris
Imab vs. Plow
Cyan vs. Imab
BF vs. B_E
ZDS vs. Cyan
etc. etc. etc...
But I think we should focus a bit on the people NOT fighting with one another for a few moments.
Like Hansa...
Where the heck did Hansa go?
Unvote
Vote Hansa
Content to hide on the sidelines doing nothing?
it's usually a bad idea to vote hans using any logical basis
All of this content to decipher, and the best you can come up with is 'vote the guy that hasn't posted anything'. Come on Huntzilla.
@Kami: The way that he just keeps following ZDS on wagons can't be a coincidence. Like he was just ocnvinced I was scum, and then bailed so quickly. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me. Especially considering how KJ has acted toward me before when he was town and thought I was scum. And in those instances, I was! And I get away from him..twice. It just doesn't track.
Trigger warning: IMAB
If blind were really so conscerned about bullying in this game she'd address all the bullying I' e been subject to. She kept her mouth shut about it. She's two-faced at best but more probably she's a bigot against people like me.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
For the Russian stuff...
Well I felt Cyan reacted naturally to it and mentioned he was Russian, town, and that I was off base. Wheat pointing it out is townie to me because I knwo he was doing it because he thinks I am slow. So it came from a helpful place.
That's about as far as I got with it...
Right. I'm not trusting imab, you, or Seppel. I am leaning towards trusting Chris. Please quote where I've indicated otherwise.
never mind, you're right
Like I said. I think you are town. The way Imab is on you and Plowshares is reminiscent of the way he bulldogged me for days in Animal Mafia. I would put him at town for that as well. I don't particularly like B_E's style and I have a tendency to scumread him. I could get on board with a Scum!BE lynch.
I like your assessment here of KJ's play. I also like the way that you subtly throw in the fact that you are town in this game.
Not sure on Plow at this moment, but I would say lean town. Same with ZDS. same with Wheat and Kami and even Seppel.
Chris could be scum, BF could be scum.
That's about it for now.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So I'm very happy now with the idea that KJ and ZDS are both scum.
I was most unlucky, I knew the maze had no exit.
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Cyan (1): imabusinessman
imabusinessman (2): Plowshares, KamikazeArchon
Burning_Earth2 (2): Blindfaeth, Sir Chris
ZeDorkSlippeur (2): Cyan, 7hawk77
Plowshares (0):
Sir Chris (3): Wheat_Grinder, Killjoy, Burning_Earth2
Wheat_Grinder (1): Cantripmancer
7hawk77 (1): ZeDorkSlippeur
KamikazeArchon (0):
Blindfaeth(1): Seppel
hansanator(1): Huntzilla
Seppel(0):
Roowastaken(0):
Killjoy(0):
Cantripmancer(0):
Huntzilla(0):
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Not voting(2): hansanator, Roowastaken
Deadline: May 22
With 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch!
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Add Blindfaeth and Cantrip to the list of people that I like. And something about ZDS's tone makes be think that he is scum, so I'm currently more comfortable pursuing him rather than Chris.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
IMAB, you are like a total oops sorry Iso.
That post from hans i don't like.
I also don't like wheat saying that hans can't be read. That seems a little like giving up to me?
@Cyan Barning is a thing that townies do, you know.
This dude is scummy as hell.
Kami is scum with Cyan.