So is your naked vote. Care to elaborate as to why mine is so blatantly bad?
Nothing in Masterplum's post was actually scummy. Even if you believe the theory you're saying (which I'm not entirely sure you do), I don't see any reason why you could see Plum's though process as scummy. The vote looks somewhat oppurtunistic based on the early pressure. The bolding was also distinctive of someone trying to find fault to attack than someone actually looking to find scum.
Nothing in Masterplum's post was actually scummy. Even if you believe the theory you're saying (which I'm not entirely sure you do), I don't see any reason why you could see Plum's though process as scummy. The vote looks somewhat oppurtunistic based on the early pressure. The bolding was also distinctive of someone trying to find fault to attack than someone actually looking to find scum.
I explained my reason in the last response to him.
Nothing in Masterplum's post was actually scummy. Even if you believe the theory you're saying (which I'm not entirely sure you do), I don't see any reason why you could see Plum's though process as scummy. The vote looks somewhat oppurtunistic based on the early pressure. The bolding was also distinctive of someone trying to find fault to attack than someone actually looking to find scum.
I explained my reason in the last response to him.
I know you gave reasons. I'm saying that I don't agree with them. Do you really need to go sentence by sentence and explain myself?
Oh, it's certainly a theory difference. I believe that an effort to conceal the lord commander is almost certainly futile, and hamstringing ourselves to do it isn't worth it.
The truth of the matter is that I believe I am being practical. If you believe the lord commanders role is so important that we need to keep it secret, outline to me your plan of how you intend to do it. If you have a solid, workable plan then we can consider it, but until then I stand by my stance that it isn't worth the time or effort trying to hide something at is nearly impossible to hide. Even if the lord commander was a triple voting cop it would still be nearly impossible to keep him hidden without resorting to a near no vote no lynch (though if that were the case I would consider it)
otherwise scum will control the lynch day 1
I do see your point in regard to the futility of trying to keep the secret. It will inevitably make itself known, however, we can prolong it with a little bit of diligence. If we stick to FoSing instead of real votes, and only vote when ready for the lynch, we should be safe. I don't see that as entirely too difficult. While you see giving up as "practical," I see it as "lazy." What I hear is, "I just don't want to put forth the necessary effort to keep a confirmed townie safe." To me, that screams scum at the worst, and lazy town at the best. I haven't fully decided which yet, simply because I don't know you. I have to say, I am just leaning lazy town, as the ideas behind protection seemed to come from a town mindset.
Now what is the No Lynch idea you hinted at? Why would that be beneficial?
See, this doesn't work. A end of day 1 reveal is worse then no reveal at all. Scum has all night to discuss how to deal with it, and town gets no use out of the confirmed town double voter. It is by all means the worst of both worlds.
The no lunch idea is, suppose we all decided not to vote. Not to vote no lynch, But simply to not vote at all. Everyone who currently has voted unvotes. According to the rules of the game it would be a tied vote and no lynch would occur.
Now, there are a couple concerns with this. The first Is you would have to decide we really want to NL day 1. The second is there is a chance one scum could vote at the last second, though that would be suicidal...
You know, now that I put it into words I am somewhat tempted to try it
I know you gave reasons. I'm saying that I don't agree with them. Do you really need to go sentence by sentence and explain myself?
If you want, but what I really was saying was that I had posted a few minutes before your response there and didn't know if you had seen it. That's all.
I really don't care though. So don't bother wasting your time.
Nothing in Masterplum's post was actually scummy. Even if you believe the theory you're saying (which I'm not entirely sure you do), I don't see any reason why you could see Plum's though process as scummy. The vote looks somewhat oppurtunistic based on the early pressure. The bolding was also distinctive of someone trying to find fault to attack than someone actually looking to find scum.
I agree with this. Also, with hunt voting based on what he acknowledged was likely just a difference of opinion in mafia theory (not something worthy of a vote) and then this:
Handing the scum free NKs is not a solution to anything.[/quote]
I am getting quite used to people not liking me day one.
I was not skirting responsibility. I was trying to see what the thought process was for Seppel in leaving KJ out of the equation.
Plus, I totally agree with your assessment of the No Lynch idea. Free night kills for nothing is not where I want to be come Day 2.
I believe it looks like FoS Count
Hunzilla (2): Antny223, Kitty Cup Cake
Masterplum (2): Cyan, Huntzilla
No Lynch (1): Masterplum
And DYH and Megiddo have actually voted, the former for Killjoy and the latter for Iso.
Note: I've become aware that there is some ambiguity around rule #3 which I will clarify since that rule is intended to be clear. "The Lord Commander's vote will appear as normal" means that all votes will appear to count once in the vote count, but that player's vote will be counting twice, it just won't be visible.
To answer in thread questions, I will not be tracking FOS and the LCs vote would still count twice toward a No Lynch.
I have no read on Huntzilla at present. As for Cyan, however, I do not sense a scumCyan ploy in the wings. Currently, he's correcting what he believes are incorrect views on the state of the game and mechanics of the game, and it reads as genuine to me. It's a combination of gut + early meta, but I don't think he has sinister intent in this game.
Since you're so confident, explain how at least two of [Iso, Cyan, Huntzilla] are scum.
You all attacked Plum for his train of thought posts.
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@KCC: Actually, after observing his desire to No Lynch and his (lack of) explanation for wanting such, I have my concerns about plum.
Vote masterplum
I do feel a bit better about you, however, KCC, given the brashness of your statement about catching scum so early.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So, DC's clarification of Rule #3 is exactly how I perceived it when I read it, which is why I found Killjoy's post to be very odd. It also rings of RobRoy's scum tell from back in the day - focused too much on mechanics, not on hunting scum.
Now, apparently there was some confusion - enough to the point where people clearly asked DC to clarify it - so maybe my misgivings over the post weren't fully warranted. However, what is interesting is that Killjoy ignored my vote on him, entirely; and then he had the nerve to point out Masterplum hadn't responded to his post about him at all.
Oh good I don't have to be paranoid. Vote masterplum
Also note that we need to make sure that when people are L-2 they stay at L-2 and no one accidentally puts them at L-1(because this could accidentally hammer them). I don't think that we should claim at L-3, because that is just going to spur too-early claims. People just need to be careful.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Note: I've become aware that there is some ambiguity around rule #3 which I will clarify since that rule is intended to be clear. "The Lord Commander's vote will appear as normal" means that all votes will appear to count once in the vote count, but that player's vote will be counting twice, it just won't be visible.
@DCIII - So to be clear, hypothetically if DYH is lord commander, KJ has 2 votes on him at this point but the second is invisible and the only time we'd know is if KJ got lynched with 6 votes on him?
Re-reading #51, I feel reasonably certain that Huntzilla is also scum.
Two on Day 1. One to go.
IDK, I'm actually leaning town on plum. Yeah, the No Lynch idea is terrible, but it doesn't feel scum driven. I feel like he legitimately thinks that's a good idea, and just didn't think it through enough. And I'm especially not seeing plum as scum with hunt.
This was all moot now wasn't it. Moving on to actual mafia then.
I don't like how smug ISO is. Even if we disregard the fact he is already wrong about me, I've never had good experiences with the players who don't actually do anything but start naming people off as scum. It's always struck me as a lazy scum tactic.
This was all moot now wasn't it. Moving on to actual mafia then.
I don't like how smug ISO is. Even if we disregard the fact he is already wrong about me, I've never had good experiences with the players who don't actually do anything but start naming people off as scum. It's always struck me as a lazy scum tactic.
It's actually just an Iso tactic. He just names people as scum and then bulldog harasses them until he is satisfied with himself. I am honestly surprised he hasn't already declared Cyan scum though. Fully expected that within the first page.
@KittyCupCake
Do you only vote when you are 100% sure a person is scum? You don't use votes to exert pressure or to call other townie eyes to look at someone more closely? Because there are many more reasons to vote someone than "because you caught scum page 3." Which brings me to my question, are you a clone of Iso or just a cyborg running Iso OS?
Do you only vote when you are 100% sure a person is scum? You don't use votes to exert pressure or to call other townie eyes to look at someone more closely? Because there are many more reasons to vote someone than "because you caught scum page 3." Which brings me to my question, are you a clone of Iso or just a cyborg running Iso OS?
Sure, I probably use my votes more diversely than most people, actually. For example, my first FOS-placeholder-vote on you was to exert pressure, and the second actual-vote was because you reacted like scum. However, despite the diverse reasons I might vote for someone, disagreeing over mafia theory is not on that list. And of course I have Iso OS running on a virtual machine, how else do you expect me to read him?
Note: I've become aware that there is some ambiguity around rule #3 which I will clarify since that rule is intended to be clear. "The Lord Commander's vote will appear as normal" means that all votes will appear to count once in the vote count, but that player's vote will be counting twice, it just won't be visible.
To answer in thread questions, I will not be tracking FOS and the LCs vote would still count twice toward a No Lynch.
who asked about this?
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Re-reading #51, I feel reasonably certain that Huntzilla is also scum.
Two on Day 1. One to go.
IDK, I'm actually leaning town on plum. Yeah, the No Lynch idea is terrible, but it doesn't feel scum driven. I feel like he legitimately thinks that's a good idea, and just didn't think it through enough. And I'm especially not seeing plum as scum with hunt.
*Taps finger* I mean...maybe? For some reason, I didn't consider the Hunt/plum dynamic, as I don't really see that as being terribly telling one way or the other about their relationship in this game. plum's other posts have just felt off in general to me, but maybe it's just rustiness?
I think I'm gonna leave my vote on him and see what shakes out.
This was all moot now wasn't it. Moving on to actual mafia then.
I don't like how smug ISO is. Even if we disregard the fact he is already wrong about me, I've never had good experiences with the players who don't actually do anything but start naming people off as scum. It's always struck me as a lazy scum tactic.
Right...because I definitely haven't explained anything I've done at all in this entire game.
Oh wait, yes I have. Are you OMGUSing me or are you just incapable of reading comprehension?
This was all moot now wasn't it. Moving on to actual mafia then.
I don't like how smug ISO is. Even if we disregard the fact he is already wrong about me, I've never had good experiences with the players who don't actually do anything but start naming people off as scum. It's always struck me as a lazy scum tactic.
It's actually just an Iso tactic. He just names people as scum and then bulldog harasses them until he is satisfied with himself. I am honestly surprised he hasn't already declared Cyan scum though. Fully expected that within the first page.
Why would you expect me to declare Cyan as scum? Are you scumreading Cyan? If so, why?
Note: I've become aware that there is some ambiguity around rule #3 which I will clarify since that rule is intended to be clear. "The Lord Commander's vote will appear as normal" means that all votes will appear to count once in the vote count, but that player's vote will be counting twice, it just won't be visible.
To answer in thread questions, I will not be tracking FOS and the LCs vote would still count twice toward a No Lynch.
who asked about this?
I'm quite certain you'd find the answer to this question if you read the thread.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This was all moot now wasn't it. Moving on to actual mafia then.
I don't like how smug ISO is. Even if we disregard the fact he is already wrong about me, I've never had good experiences with the players who don't actually do anything but start naming people off as scum. It's always struck me as a lazy scum tactic.
It's actually just an Iso tactic. He just names people as scum and then bulldog harasses them until he is satisfied with himself. I am honestly surprised he hasn't already declared Cyan scum though. Fully expected that within the first page.
Why would you expect me to declare Cyan as scum? Are you scumreading Cyan? If so, why?
I thought that is what you did? Wildly assert that people are scum. Also, I figured Cyan was a favorite target of yours judging by the limited interaction I have had with you.
I am not scumreading Cyan. Conversely, I am not townreading him either.
There is not enough to go on, it is far too early in the game.
You, however, I am townreading, as you have your townie arrogance about you.
Sure, I probably use my votes more diversely than most people, actually. For example, my first FOS-placeholder-vote on you was to exert pressure, and the second actual-vote was because you reacted like scum. However, despite the diverse reasons I might vote for someone, disagreeing over mafia theory is not on that list. And of course I have Iso OS running on a virtual machine, how else do you expect me to read him?
Good to know! Thank you for that. I was exerting pressure myself on Masterplum, who then gave me a decent response. I actually would have unvoted had it actually been a real vote. But, alas, it was a FoS, and I was not about to "un-FoS" simply because it seemed odd to me to do so.
Disagreeing on Mafia theory seems like a solid vote to me, especially if the theory is particularly divisive. But I can fully understand you not agreeing with me!
Now this Iso OS, is it in Beta testing or is it ready for market?
I should have known that was the correct way to do it.
Really? -I thought you said it was just a "silly FOS." -Because if it was a serious vote, meant to exert pressure, that marks the second time in the last 50 posts where you attempted to shirk responsibility for your actions.
Would you mind explaining to me why, at first, you chose to not stick behind your vote with an explanation, and instead went the route of pretending it was less than serious?
Really? -I thought you said it was just a "silly FOS." -Because if it was a serious vote, meant to exert pressure, that marks the second time in the last 50 posts where you attempted to shirk responsibility for your actions.
Would you mind explaining to me why, at first, you chose to not stick behind your vote with an explanation, and instead went the route of pretending it was less than serious?
I actually never said it was not serious. You assumed that from the word "silly." Incorrectly I might add.
I do not appreciate the misrep here. I am not following how you think I "shirked responsibility for my actions." What exactly am I shirking? The fact that you are misrepping based off of the word "silly." FoS's are silly to me. Does not take away from the seriousness of the action.
You are really starting to dig yourself a hole here. I explained the FoS/vote to you very clearly. Do you understand the situation at this point?
Handing the scum free NKs is not a solution to anything.
I am getting quite used to people not liking me day one.
I was not skirting responsibility. I was trying to see what the thought process was for Seppel in leaving KJ out of the equation.
Plus, I totally agree with your assessment of the No Lynch idea. Free night kills for nothing is not where I want to be come Day 2.
I believe it looks like
FoS Count
Hunzilla (2): Antny223, Kitty Cup Cake
Masterplum (2): Killjoy, Cyan, Huntzilla
No Lynch (1): Masterplum
And DYH and Megiddo have actually voted, the former for Killjoy and the latter for Iso.
That's about it...
Fixing this formatting before it drives me insane. All changes made to reflect accuracy. (Hun's messed up quote tags, also added name to FOS list, as Hunt seems to have missed it.) Now on to my actual post.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
For trying to dictate what I feel deserves a "vote" or not. Especially when that vote was a silly FoS...
Then, explain the word "especially" to me, here, if you weren't attempting to make the FOS sound non-serious.
Especially:
Adverb
1. used to single out one person, thing, or situation over all others.
2. to a great extent; very much
I like adverbs.
The item it was used to single out was the vote/FoS, that I was unhappy you were trying to dictate. If anything it emphasizes more the vote. It certainly doesn't diminish it and make the vote sound less serious.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
For trying to dictate what I feel deserves a "vote" or not. Especially when that vote was a silly FoS...
Then, explain the word "especially" to me, here, if you weren't attempting to make the FOS sound non-serious.
Especially:
Adverb
1. used to single out one person, thing, or situation over all others.
2. to a great extent; very much
I like adverbs.
The item it was used to single out was the vote/FoS, that I was unhappy you were trying to dictate. If anything it emphasizes more the vote. It certainly doesn't diminish it and make the vote sound less serious.
you're going to lose this one.
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I like adverbs.
The item it was used to single out was the vote/FoS, that I was unhappy you were trying to dictate. If anything it emphasizes more the vote.
Yes, it emphasizes the vote as being silly.
You may like adverbs, but I like analogies, and what you are doing here is this:
"I can't believe you're trying to get a dog to pull your car. Especially when that dog is a tiny Chihuahua."
"I actually never said the dog was not big enough to pull the car. You assumed that from the word "tiny." Incorrectly I might add. I just think Chihuahuas are tiny."
"If anything, I used the word 'especially' to emphasize more the dog. It certainly doesn't diminish the dog and make it sound less big."
...AKA: talking in circles with nonsense bull*****.
[quote from="Iso »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/599678-the-wall-mafia-day-1-a-long-way-down?comment=69"][quote from="Seppel »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/599678-the-wall-mafia-day-1-a-long-way-down?comment=78"]I agree that Hunt is scum. I agree that KCC, DYH, and Plum are town. I am considering Killjoy as scum but need more content.
I really need Iso and Cyan to get their heads out of their asses.
g te
My head is quite comfortable where it is, thank you.
This was all moot now wasn't it. Moving on to actual mafia then.
I don't like how smug ISO is. Even if we disregard the fact he is already wrong about me, I've never had good experiences with the players who don't actually do anything but start naming people off as scum. It's always struck me as a lazy scum tactic.
It's actually just an Iso tactic. He just names people as scum and then bulldog harasses them until he is satisfied with himself. I am honestly surprised he hasn't already declared Cyan scum though. Fully expected that within the first page.
Why would you expect me to declare Cyan as scum? Are you scumreading Cyan? If so, why?
I thought that is what you did? Wildly assert that people are scum. Also, I figured Cyan was a favorite target of yours judging by the limited interaction I have had with you.
I am not scumreading Cyan. Conversely, I am not townreading him either.
There is not enough to go on, it is far too early in the game.
You, however, I am townreading, as you have your townie arrogance about you.
Was there anyone else you were wondering about?
Surely you understand by now that there's a method to my madness and that I never "wildly assert" anything.
Cyan's only ever a target of mine if I think he's scum, which is rarely.
Do you believe that:
Arrogance is a town trait?
That I am only arrogant as town?
There is nothing other than my arrogance that makes me town at this juncture?
Disagreeing on Mafia theory seems like a solid vote to me, especially if the theory is particularly divisive. But I can fully understand you not agreeing with me!
Given that Mafia Theory stances are largely playstyle/personal experience-based, why does a disagreement on such seem like a valid reason to vote, to you?
Really? -I thought you said it was just a "silly FOS." -Because if it was a serious vote, meant to exert pressure, that marks the second time in the last 50 posts where you attempted to shirk responsibility for your actions.
Would you mind explaining to me why, at first, you chose to not stick behind your vote with an explanation, and instead went the route of pretending it was less than serious?
I actually never said it was not serious. You assumed that from the word "silly." Incorrectly I might add.
I do not appreciate the misrep here. I am not following how you think I "shirked responsibility for my actions." What exactly am I shirking? The fact that you are misrepping based off of the word "silly." FoS's are silly to me. Does not take away from the seriousness of the action.
You are really starting to dig yourself a hole here. I explained the FoS/vote to you very clearly. Do you understand the situation at this point?
This post in general is pretty awful. Especially the last three sentences. Can you explain what the purpose of asserting things as such was, exactly?
[quote from="Iso »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/599678-the-wall-mafia-day-1-a-long-way-down?comment=69"][quote from="Seppel »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/outside-magic/mafia/599678-the-wall-mafia-day-1-a-long-way-down?comment=78"]I agree that Hunt is scum. I agree that KCC, DYH, and Plum are town. I am considering Killjoy as scum but need more content.
I really need Iso and Cyan to get their heads out of their asses.
g te
My head is quite comfortable where it is, thank you.
You should see a doctor about that.
Vote Iso.
Hunt is scum too.
Oh, so you are scum. We've done this song and dance the last, what, three times in a row that you've been scum? Come on. At least pretend to be scumreading me for something that could reasonably be considered scummy, instead of pretending you have something, having nothing, and then trying to twist my reaction into a reason to be voting me retroactively.
Unvote, Vote Seppel
My vote won't be moving for the rest of the Day unless Huntzilla is getting lynched.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
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At least two of Antny223 and Seppel are scum.
(See I can make arbitrary bologna up to! How fun!)
But /barn Iso. At least defend the statement with a reason.
Nothing in Masterplum's post was actually scummy. Even if you believe the theory you're saying (which I'm not entirely sure you do), I don't see any reason why you could see Plum's though process as scummy. The vote looks somewhat oppurtunistic based on the early pressure. The bolding was also distinctive of someone trying to find fault to attack than someone actually looking to find scum.
Didn't Killjoy start it off as well? Why not KJ?
But thank you. If I hated waited 20 seconds I would have seen this.
I explained my reason in the last response to him.
I know you gave reasons. I'm saying that I don't agree with them. Do you really need to go sentence by sentence and explain myself?
See, this doesn't work. A end of day 1 reveal is worse then no reveal at all. Scum has all night to discuss how to deal with it, and town gets no use out of the confirmed town double voter. It is by all means the worst of both worlds.
The no lunch idea is, suppose we all decided not to vote. Not to vote no lynch, But simply to not vote at all. Everyone who currently has voted unvotes. According to the rules of the game it would be a tied vote and no lynch would occur.
Now, there are a couple concerns with this. The first Is you would have to decide we really want to NL day 1. The second is there is a chance one scum could vote at the last second, though that would be suicidal...
You know, now that I put it into words I am somewhat tempted to try it
Let's break the game
FoS: No Lynch
If you want, but what I really was saying was that I had posted a few minutes before your response there and didn't know if you had seen it. That's all.
I really don't care though. So don't bother wasting your time.
I agree with this. Also, with hunt voting based on what he acknowledged was likely just a difference of opinion in mafia theory (not something worthy of a vote) and then this:
the first instinct here is to just redirect responsibility.
I'm not liking hunt at all here.
FOS: Huntzilla
-Who's counting these FOS's, btw?
No.
Handing the scum free NKs is not a solution to anything.
the first instinct here is to just redirect responsibility.
I'm not liking hunt at all here.
FOS: Huntzilla
-Who's counting these FOS's, btw?
No.
Handing the scum free NKs is not a solution to anything.[/quote]
I am getting quite used to people not liking me day one.
I was not skirting responsibility. I was trying to see what the thought process was for Seppel in leaving KJ out of the equation.
Plus, I totally agree with your assessment of the No Lynch idea. Free night kills for nothing is not where I want to be come Day 2.
I believe it looks like
FoS Count
Hunzilla (2): Antny223, Kitty Cup Cake
Masterplum (2): Cyan, Huntzilla
No Lynch (1): Masterplum
And DYH and Megiddo have actually voted, the former for Killjoy and the latter for Iso.
That's about it...
Vote Count 1.0
Killjoy (1): DYH
Iso (1): Megiddo
Not Voting: Everyone else
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Note: I've become aware that there is some ambiguity around rule #3 which I will clarify since that rule is intended to be clear. "The Lord Commander's vote will appear as normal" means that all votes will appear to count once in the vote count, but that player's vote will be counting twice, it just won't be visible.
To answer in thread questions, I will not be tracking FOS and the LCs vote would still count twice toward a No Lynch.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Vote KittyCupCake
For trying to dictate what I feel deserves a "vote" or not. Especially when that vote was a silly FoS...
-We were using FOS as vote placeholders, and now you're trying to downplay it as not being serious.
Vote: Huntzilla
@iso: Scum caught on page 3, is that Cyberspace-esque enough for you?
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@KCC: Actually, after observing his desire to No Lynch and his (lack of) explanation for wanting such, I have my concerns about plum.
Vote masterplum
I do feel a bit better about you, however, KCC, given the brashness of your statement about catching scum so early.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Now, apparently there was some confusion - enough to the point where people clearly asked DC to clarify it - so maybe my misgivings over the post weren't fully warranted. However, what is interesting is that Killjoy ignored my vote on him, entirely; and then he had the nerve to point out Masterplum hadn't responded to his post about him at all.
Well isn't that interesting. /churchladyvoice
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Also note that we need to make sure that when people are L-2 they stay at L-2 and no one accidentally puts them at L-1(because this could accidentally hammer them). I don't think that we should claim at L-3, because that is just going to spur too-early claims. People just need to be careful.
Two on Day 1. One to go.
I'm starting to get excited about this game. I should probably re-read at some point soon, given that I've skimmed a lot of posts so far.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@DCIII - So to be clear, hypothetically if DYH is lord commander, KJ has 2 votes on him at this point but the second is invisible and the only time we'd know is if KJ got lynched with 6 votes on him?
IDK, I'm actually leaning town on plum. Yeah, the No Lynch idea is terrible, but it doesn't feel scum driven. I feel like he legitimately thinks that's a good idea, and just didn't think it through enough. And I'm especially not seeing plum as scum with hunt.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
This was all moot now wasn't it. Moving on to actual mafia then.
I don't like how smug ISO is. Even if we disregard the fact he is already wrong about me, I've never had good experiences with the players who don't actually do anything but start naming people off as scum. It's always struck me as a lazy scum tactic.
It's actually just an Iso tactic. He just names people as scum and then bulldog harasses them until he is satisfied with himself. I am honestly surprised he hasn't already declared Cyan scum though. Fully expected that within the first page.
@KittyCupCake
Do you only vote when you are 100% sure a person is scum? You don't use votes to exert pressure or to call other townie eyes to look at someone more closely? Because there are many more reasons to vote someone than "because you caught scum page 3." Which brings me to my question, are you a clone of Iso or just a cyborg running Iso OS?
Sure, I probably use my votes more diversely than most people, actually. For example, my first FOS-placeholder-vote on you was to exert pressure, and the second actual-vote was because you reacted like scum. However, despite the diverse reasons I might vote for someone, disagreeing over mafia theory is not on that list. And of course I have Iso OS running on a virtual machine, how else do you expect me to read him?
I really need Iso and Cyan to get their heads out of their asses.
g te
*Taps finger* I mean...maybe? For some reason, I didn't consider the Hunt/plum dynamic, as I don't really see that as being terribly telling one way or the other about their relationship in this game. plum's other posts have just felt off in general to me, but maybe it's just rustiness?
I think I'm gonna leave my vote on him and see what shakes out.
Right...because I definitely haven't explained anything I've done at all in this entire game.
Oh wait, yes I have. Are you OMGUSing me or are you just incapable of reading comprehension?
Why would you expect me to declare Cyan as scum? Are you scumreading Cyan? If so, why?
My head is quite comfortable where it is, thank you.
Are you planning on contributing any content to the game any time soon, or should I just ignore you until you do?
I'm quite certain you'd find the answer to this question if you read the thread.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I thought that is what you did? Wildly assert that people are scum. Also, I figured Cyan was a favorite target of yours judging by the limited interaction I have had with you.
I am not scumreading Cyan. Conversely, I am not townreading him either.
There is not enough to go on, it is far too early in the game.
You, however, I am townreading, as you have your townie arrogance about you.
Was there anyone else you were wondering about?
When do you not feel I am scum? Do you feel you have an ability to read me at all?
Good to know! Thank you for that. I was exerting pressure myself on Masterplum, who then gave me a decent response. I actually would have unvoted had it actually been a real vote. But, alas, it was a FoS, and I was not about to "un-FoS" simply because it seemed odd to me to do so.
Disagreeing on Mafia theory seems like a solid vote to me, especially if the theory is particularly divisive. But I can fully understand you not agreeing with me!
Now this Iso OS, is it in Beta testing or is it ready for market?
I should have known that was the correct way to do it.
Really? -I thought you said it was just a "silly FOS." -Because if it was a serious vote, meant to exert pressure, that marks the second time in the last 50 posts where you attempted to shirk responsibility for your actions.
Would you mind explaining to me why, at first, you chose to not stick behind your vote with an explanation, and instead went the route of pretending it was less than serious?
I actually never said it was not serious. You assumed that from the word "silly." Incorrectly I might add.
I do not appreciate the misrep here. I am not following how you think I "shirked responsibility for my actions." What exactly am I shirking? The fact that you are misrepping based off of the word "silly." FoS's are silly to me. Does not take away from the seriousness of the action.
You are really starting to dig yourself a hole here. I explained the FoS/vote to you very clearly. Do you understand the situation at this point?
Uh huh...
Then, explain the word "especially" to me, here, if you weren't attempting to make the FOS sound non-serious.
Especially:
Adverb
1. used to single out one person, thing, or situation over all others.
2. to a great extent; very much
I like adverbs.
The item it was used to single out was the vote/FoS, that I was unhappy you were trying to dictate. If anything it emphasizes more the vote. It certainly doesn't diminish it and make the vote sound less serious.
Yes, it emphasizes the vote as being silly.
You may like adverbs, but I like analogies, and what you are doing here is this:
"I can't believe you're trying to get a dog to pull your car. Especially when that dog is a tiny Chihuahua."
"I actually never said the dog was not big enough to pull the car. You assumed that from the word "tiny." Incorrectly I might add. I just think Chihuahuas are tiny."
"If anything, I used the word 'especially' to emphasize more the dog. It certainly doesn't diminish the dog and make it sound less big."
...AKA: talking in circles with nonsense bull*****.
Vote Iso.
Hunt is scum too. Eventually either I'll be right or you'll modkill yourself again.
Surely you understand by now that there's a method to my madness and that I never "wildly assert" anything.
Cyan's only ever a target of mine if I think he's scum, which is rarely.
Do you believe that:
Arrogance is a town trait?
That I am only arrogant as town?
There is nothing other than my arrogance that makes me town at this juncture?
Given that Mafia Theory stances are largely playstyle/personal experience-based, why does a disagreement on such seem like a valid reason to vote, to you?
This post in general is pretty awful. Especially the last three sentences. Can you explain what the purpose of asserting things as such was, exactly?
Oh, so you are scum. We've done this song and dance the last, what, three times in a row that you've been scum? Come on. At least pretend to be scumreading me for something that could reasonably be considered scummy, instead of pretending you have something, having nothing, and then trying to twist my reaction into a reason to be voting me retroactively.
Unvote, Vote Seppel
My vote won't be moving for the rest of the Day unless Huntzilla is getting lynched.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player