Ouch, dude. That's an even better insult than plain ol' "useless" I'm definitely adding that to my signature later.
Literally being in a position where I could kill townspeople would make me more beneficial than being in a position where I do nothing except try to find the people who are trying to kill us. I'm going to need some aloe vera extract and witch hazel for that burn.
Anyway, how would me jumping on a wagon you are completely insincere about make you uncomfortable? It shouldn't make you uncomfortable until he gets to like L-2.
I wasn't making an insult as overblown as that. The scum would have their nightkill whether you were scum or not. I just meant that if you were scum, you'd be as spastically transparent as you are now, and we'd probably all already know the whole scum team.
Erg. I'm pretty busy what with school, so I only have time for a short post now. My read on Huntzilla is that he sits on his friggen fence, and then when someone calls him on it he jumps down and starts screaming at them.
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Read the line RIGHT before the list starts. Then come back to me and ask nicely, and I will let you know why everything is so wishy washy on the first T/S list of the day. If you can't figure out the blatant reason.
the line before it is "I will be the first dumbo to stick up a T/S day one with crap to go on."
let me remind you that you said that in defense of NOT HAVING ANY READS
all that line does is PREEMPTIVELY DEFEND YOUR LIST FROM ATTACK
I see where I misinterpreted. xP well fortunately for them, I suppose.
Answer question about Snurfy pls.
Additional question: Why are you so certain of my towniness?
Re questioning @everybody... Somebody pls volunteer an answer: does Specialty Mafia mean there are more power roles? (Because if so, TCM's suggestion is less absurd, IMO. Still not the best course of action, I think, but less absurd.)
Read the line RIGHT before the list starts. Then come back to me and ask nicely, and I will let you know why everything is so wishy washy on the first T/S list of the day. If you can't figure out the blatant reason.
the line before it is "I will be the first dumbo to stick up a T/S day one with crap to go on."
let me remind you that you said that in defense of NOT HAVING ANY READS
all that line does is PREEMPTIVELY DEFEND YOUR LIST FROM ATTACK
Why are you being such a dick this game? Seems pretty forced to me Seppel. Plus, the yelling. It has to stop. It's just rude.
GET BENT
IN THE NECK
Any other pearls of wisdom for us Seppel? Because your house of cards will come tumbling down eventually.
My T/S list is what it is. First one of the game with not a lot to go on.
I will tell you, Snurfy jumping back on the bandwagon looks pretty opportunistic.
Still leaving my vote square on you Seppel. You have yet to actually scumhunt. Trying to break me on a T/S list is not gonna happen. Once you do some actual work here in this thread, my vote will come off.
@Hunt - A lot of people on this site do the whole overconfident, "x is scum. y is town" thing early D1. Seppel is one of them and I don't think that's a very good argument for calling him scum. Like, Iso literally does this in every game I have ever played with him. People like to show confidence because waffling can be seen as fence-sitting and scummy. Check out PJ -> Chris already in this game. In your favor though, I agree that the "so far" case against you is also *****. I also think your posts in general have sounded super genuine and I think you are probably Town, but you are seemingly on tilt right now.
I am a bit ticked off that Seppel of all people would pull a stunt like this. It is ballsy and stupid, and I didn't think Seppel was stupid. I agree though, he has me a bit on tilt because I am so irritated by his line of play. I get he does gambits day one, but trying to lynch someone off a T/S list on day one is a bit over the top, and really just going to end badly. No one wins in this situation. It distracts from actual analysis, and lures the feeble minded into his web of deceit.
Re questioning @everybody... Somebody pls volunteer an answer: does Specialty Mafia mean there are more power roles? (Because if so, TCM's suggestion is less absurd, IMO. Still not the best course of action, I think, but less absurd.)
Typically specialties are power heavy. This one, in particular, states in the OP that literally everyone has a power AND there are items. This game is heavily powered even for a specialty.
@Zionite: It's been a long while since i played with you, but i find it hilarious that in this site self-meta is not a valid defense but meta-analysis is consiered valid evidence by the mobs.
it's all about self-bias. You can't submit evidence about your meta because it leads to WIFOM. What if you changed your meta on purpose to submit that evidence with a different meaning? There's no way of knowing, so it's not valid. However, if I do the research and find patterns in your behavior, that becomes good evidence because we eliminate the "what if".
Seppel's drunk or high, what else is new.
Why can't TCM say right out why he wants a no-lynch? I think I'm starting to come around to his reasoning, but I don't see why there had to be all this smoke and mirrors around it.
That would be a claim, and I think you know that. And there was no smoke and mirrors about ending RVS with a proposal to no lynch (pro town move), or being a power role that benefits from a no lynch. Both were pretty obvious.
1. Plowshares - Leaning Town on him SO FAR.
2. The Cold Monarch - SO FAR getting the normal TCM vibe from him.
6. Sepiriel- Sepi seems town SO FAR. [...] Cythare does not like though... HMM...
7. KamikazeArchon - Kami is quiet. Again. Nothing here YET
12. Zionite- Blind vote of me and then quickly off another direction (Rodemy). SEE WHERE THAT ALL GOES...
17. Snurfy8- Few pressured votes, did not fold under them. Seems ok FOR NOW.
18. Hunger - Good SO FAR. Nothing major.
ONE OR TWO RESPONSES LIKE "SO FAR" IN A T/S LIST ISN'T SCUMTASTIC.
ONCE YOU HIT THREE, THINGS GET REALLY QUESTIONABLE.
ONCE YOU HIT SEVEN
OH LORD
Good looking out Seppel, I didn't even notice at first. Yes this is a pretty common tell, and it's better than what I'm going on now. I think one of either huntzilla or rodemy are scum. I'm just not sure which. Pressure is needed here.
That's because it's a bologna argument Godot. Seppel is just throwing mud around trying to make himself look busy like he is "scumhunting" but instead he is just nitpicking on theory. That isn't scumhunting, that's distracting townies. It is the same bull**** we will be dealing with when it comes to Seppel forever.
Read the lines before and after the T/S list again and you will see why my reads are where they are. It's too early for me to be definitive. Except Seppel is jumping quickly up to the top of my list.
Kind of hand waving this away here, don't you think? Why are you surprised when questioned about a known scum tell?
Town should not be that confident this early, unless there has been some HUGE slip by the scum team. Everyone has been posting, but not a lot has been done this game at all. For you to try and force a mislynch on me based off of a T/S list is freaking laughable Seppel. Your pseudopsychology about everyone wanting to be correct all the time is ridiculous, but at least I can somewhat agree with it. We are playing a game, and we want to be right in catching scum, but there should still be caution in our voices at this stage, as we are just getting started. You on the other hand are trying to sound OVERLY confident that you have found something lynchable, which is not the case. I think you are simply forcing this far too much, it is a stretch at best. Unvote
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By itself, using uncertain language in a T/S list isn't a criminal offense. But reacting to it with OMGUS is even worse. If Seppel's argument is such garbage, and his forcing to lynch you so immense, why aren't you presenting a real defense? Or even having real targets and priorities? It seems like you're not interested in scum hunting and just looking to survive.
You're at like, 3 or 4 votes. The bare minimum to be called a wagon. And you're flailing like mad caught scum and focusing on only one person. This person is using actual evidence (used many times before) to justify a vote on you, and instead of acknowledging real evidence, you assume it is a scum tell? I don't think so.
I am a bit ticked off that Seppel of all people would pull a stunt like this. It is ballsy and stupid, and I didn't think Seppel was stupid. I agree though, he has me a bit on tilt because I am so irritated by his line of play. I get he does gambits day one, but trying to lynch someone off a T/S list on day one is a bit over the top, and really just going to end badly. No one wins in this situation. It distracts from actual analysis, and lures the feeble minded into his web of deceit.
Your rhetoric isn't fooling anyone. You're not proving how Seppel is scum, only making yourself look worse. How is Seppel pulling a stunt by scumhunting? I could see this reaction from Seppel firing a vig shot on Night 0 or something, but not from placing ONE vote on you. The only way "no one wins in this situation" is if you're town, and you're doing a poor job of looking town.
Typically specialties are power heavy. This one, in particular, states in the OP that literally everyone has a power AND there are items. This game is heavily powered even for a specialty.
Where in the OP does it say that? I reread it, and I must be missing that. I also don't have a power role.
Typically specialties are power heavy. This one, in particular, states in the OP that literally everyone has a power AND there are items. This game is heavily powered even for a specialty.
Where in the OP does it say that? I reread it, and I must be missing that. I also don't have a power role.
So.... I missed that statement in the OP after reading it over several times, as well as misunderstanding/misremembering my role pm. At first I didn't even remember having that part, then after reading it, I was thinking the "ability" I have was so plain and insignificant that it wouldn't be considered a "power role". But... I guess everything is a power role. So there we have it. Let's pretend I'm not dying of embarrassment right now.
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I've seen Hunger give me advice about game types before when he was town, to be fair.
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@godot: I assume you play Magic? You ever hear the stories about how new players cast T1 Lightning Bolt at their opponent because hey, the goal is to lower the opponent's life total, right? The reason it's bad strategy is that it maximizes the opponent's opportunity to adapt to his circumstances, while minimizing your ability to adapt to yours. The same principle applies in mafia. Show some restraint, and hold things a little (a lot) closer to the vest unless you have a specific goal you're trying to achieve that you think your info/suspicions/thoughts have some potential to accomplish.
I actually disagree with that advice. Holding back is a good way for your posts to feel unnatural. Burst forth with all of your potential Godot, allow your thoughts to shine through like a beacon. People underestimate how important it is for your towniness to shine through, but if you are never lynched you have more chances for your thoughts and reflections to really sink in. On the other hand if you are scum it is usually easier to catch you if you play like this, but that's not my problem.
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@Hunger: As far as i can tell both of your questions were actually pertaining to the same thing, and i feel I answered them together, if you feel otherwise please feel free to rephrase.
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@Zionite: The problem with that argument is that it hinges entirely on someone else deciding to actually carry out said investigation, if no player ever decides to do that amount of work then by extension the accused party cannot defend him/herself with regards to meta analysis.
This is actually why i hold Meta in and of itself a tool but not a reliable one, similar to how the polygraph is usually such a tenuous piece of evidence when on trial.
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I will tell you, Snurfy jumping back on the bandwagon looks pretty opportunistic.
Still leaving my vote square on you Seppel. You have yet to actually scumhunt. Trying to break me on a T/S list is not gonna happen. Once you do some actual work here in this thread, my vote will come off.
And there it is. There it is again- I made a post commenting about his fence-sitting, and bam! I'm suddenly jumping on a bandwagon. Note that he didn't actually defend himself- he just attacked Seppel (and me to an extent) personally. This has been Huntzilla's attitude the whole game- as soon as he encounters any pushback he immediately backs off the argument itself, then starts to attack the person ad hominem. I'll go out on a limb here and Unvote, Vote: Huntzilla.
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1. Plowshares - Leaning Town on him SO FAR.
2. The Cold Monarch - SO FAR getting the normal TCM vibe from him.
6. Sepiriel- Sepi seems town SO FAR. [...] Cythare does not like though... HMM...
7. KamikazeArchon - Kami is quiet. Again. Nothing here YET
12. Zionite- Blind vote of me and then quickly off another direction (Rodemy). SEE WHERE THAT ALL GOES...
17. Snurfy8- Few pressured votes, did not fold under them. Seems ok FOR NOW.
18. Hunger - Good SO FAR. Nothing major.
ONE OR TWO RESPONSES LIKE "SO FAR" IN A T/S LIST ISN'T SCUMTASTIC.
ONCE YOU HIT THREE, THINGS GET REALLY QUESTIONABLE.
ONCE YOU HIT SEVEN
OH LORD
Good looking out Seppel, I didn't even notice at first. Yes this is a pretty common tell, and it's better than what I'm going on now. I think one of either huntzilla or rodemy are scum. I'm just not sure which. Pressure is needed here.
That's because it's a bologna argument Godot. Seppel is just throwing mud around trying to make himself look busy like he is "scumhunting" but instead he is just nitpicking on theory. That isn't scumhunting, that's distracting townies. It is the same bull**** we will be dealing with when it comes to Seppel forever.
Read the lines before and after the T/S list again and you will see why my reads are where they are. It's too early for me to be definitive. Except Seppel is jumping quickly up to the top of my list.
Kind of hand waving this away here, don't you think? Why are you surprised when questioned about a known scum tell?
Town should not be that confident this early, unless there has been some HUGE slip by the scum team. Everyone has been posting, but not a lot has been done this game at all. For you to try and force a mislynch on me based off of a T/S list is freaking laughable Seppel. Your pseudopsychology about everyone wanting to be correct all the time is ridiculous, but at least I can somewhat agree with it. We are playing a game, and we want to be right in catching scum, but there should still be caution in our voices at this stage, as we are just getting started. You on the other hand are trying to sound OVERLY confident that you have found something lynchable, which is not the case. I think you are simply forcing this far too much, it is a stretch at best. Unvote
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By itself, using uncertain language in a T/S list isn't a criminal offense. But reacting to it with OMGUS is even worse. If Seppel's argument is such garbage, and his forcing to lynch you so immense, why aren't you presenting a real defense? Or even having real targets and priorities? It seems like you're not interested in scum hunting and just looking to survive.
You're at like, 3 or 4 votes. The bare minimum to be called a wagon. And you're flailing like mad caught scum and focusing on only one person. This person is using actual evidence (used many times before) to justify a vote on you, and instead of acknowledging real evidence, you assume it is a scum tell? I don't think so.
I am a bit ticked off that Seppel of all people would pull a stunt like this. It is ballsy and stupid, and I didn't think Seppel was stupid. I agree though, he has me a bit on tilt because I am so irritated by his line of play. I get he does gambits day one, but trying to lynch someone off a T/S list on day one is a bit over the top, and really just going to end badly. No one wins in this situation. It distracts from actual analysis, and lures the feeble minded into his web of deceit.
Your rhetoric isn't fooling anyone. You're not proving how Seppel is scum, only making yourself look worse. How is Seppel pulling a stunt by scumhunting? I could see this reaction from Seppel firing a vig shot on Night 0 or something, but not from placing ONE vote on you. The only way "no one wins in this situation" is if you're town, and you're doing a poor job of looking town.
Yes it's a scum tell. From Seppel. Out of the players here, I would expect him to understand my play more than anyone. He is deliberately misrepping my style to everyone, by posting bull T/S lists from other games, but notice he didn't ever post any of mine. He is going out of his way to try and force a wagon on me, based on this T/S list, for something that you consider a "known scum tell." There are others that feel it is not a tell at all. Seppel is not scumhunting. He has not made a single stroke towards searching for scum. He simply nitpicked on a posting style at an inopportune moment in the game for me. I am not going to bother with self meta or any of that, because I don't necessarily put a lot of stock in it. But Seppel is just trying to get me killed for a petty reason that I am starting to think isn't about this game at all. I assure you I am not scum. Seppel KNOWS that I am not scum, and is trying to get me killed for it. That's why I voted him. He is acting, to me, as if he knows I am town, and he wants me gone.
This real evidence bit you are talking about makes me laugh. To post a poor reaction to a T/S list and then a bunch of other T/S lists equals "real evidence" to you? I was guessing you were experienced, so for you to buy into that line of thinking makes you look bad to me as well.
Lastly, I don't believe an OMGUS response is a bad thing. Seppel has truly made me mad.
I will tell you, Snurfy jumping back on the bandwagon looks pretty opportunistic.
Still leaving my vote square on you Seppel. You have yet to actually scumhunt. Trying to break me on a T/S list is not gonna happen. Once you do some actual work here in this thread, my vote will come off.
And there it is. There it is again- I made a post commenting about his fence-sitting, and bam! I'm suddenly jumping on a bandwagon. Note that he didn't actually defend himself- he just attacked Seppel (and me to an extent) personally. This has been Huntzilla's attitude the whole game- as soon as he encounters any pushback he immediately backs off the argument itself, then starts to attack the person ad hominem. I'll go out on a limb here and Unvote, Vote: Huntzilla.
The argument isn't what's in question from you Snurfy. My reads WERE what they WERE, pretty non-existant at that time. So yes, it looks like fence-sitting, I wasn't going to argue that.
The problem with your post was the timing. You came back and made a pot-shot at me because it was the cool kid thing to do at the time. You didn't have a good reason.
The fact that you are trying so hard to blend in makes me really believe you are scum. You, Seppel, and Zionite are at the top of my scum list this second.
Vote still stays on Seppel. I still feel he is trying too hard for this push.
@Sepi - My beef, like I said, is with the defensiveness of your posts from the outset of the game and the way in which you called Chris scum and said you were sticking with it. You can say you were joking about the Chris thing, but it definitely does not read that way. And if you were, why were you joking and placing a vote when it was out of RVS?
Your reaction in 59 looks overly defensive. A lot of people that play mafia consider people saying, "I will catch up when they have free time," a scum tell. To me it looks like he pushed you to see your reaction and you reacted poorly IMO.
This is pretty much my normal behavior in mafia, a quick look at my prior games will show that i do that regardless of alignment.
I took this as an answer to my second paragraph about your defensive reaction. Are you saying this is also the answer to my question about your "joke" vote?
I thought the vote was self-explanatory to be semi-serious, a way for me to derive some fun out of something i found odd and perhaps even worth looking back to later on, I also took the question regarding the vote to be less important than the rest of the paragraph which was pretty much in line with the same sentiment of the second part regarding my defensiveness.
Trying to read context on intent in text is not something that will be easy with me, because people tend to over-analyze when in fact simplest answer (me trying to do a funny), is usually the correct with me.
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@Seppel - So, you believe that as scum, I openly coached Huntzilla, who you also think is scum and is under pressure currently, and I thought that it was a good play to stick my neck out there in this obvious manner clearly linking us together just to try and dissuade him from voting you? Man, that is a pretty big blow to my ego if you think that's how awful of a player I am.
Answer question about Snurfy pls.
Additional question: Why are you so certain of my towniness?
If you think about it, my last post answered both of those questions.
1) Aiding a potential bandwagon on snurfy would have let you get out of your own way, considering that you seem to think snurfy is scum. What you did post did exactly the opposite.
2) The fact that you didn't realize that, and the fact that you *keep doing it*, makes it fairly impossible to think that you're looking at the game from a scum perspective.
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...Okay, I'll grant that maybe I don't actually know what that was about, but what it looked like from my end was endless, pointless WIFOM. If that was all you could hope to accomplish with an item like that, you'd probably have been better off saving it for some other time, or giving it away or something.
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2) SCUM TEND TO REFERENCE THEIR SCUM GAMES RATHER THAN THEIR TOWN GAMES
CASE DOUBLE CLOSED
AND WHAT IS UP WITH THIS HUNTZILLA GUY
MORE LIKE ****ZILLA AM I RIGHT
HE GIVES NEARLY NO READS (SCUM BEHAVIOR)
THEN RODEMY CALLS HIM OUT ON IT
AND ZILLA IS LIKE "HEY HEY DON'T LYNCH ME HERE'S MY READS"
FIRST OFF, LYNCH THAT ON SIGHT
UNVOTE, VOTE HUNTZILLA
SECONDLY, I'MMA BOLD SOME GARBAGE
1. Plowshares - Leaning Town on him SO FAR.
2. The Cold Monarch - SO FAR getting the normal TCM vibe from him.
6. Sepiriel- Sepi seems town SO FAR. [...] Cythare does not like though... HMM...
7. KamikazeArchon - Kami is quiet. Again. Nothing here YET
12. Zionite- Blind vote of me and then quickly off another direction (Rodemy). SEE WHERE THAT ALL GOES...
17. Snurfy8- Few pressured votes, did not fold under them. Seems ok FOR NOW.
18. Hunger - Good SO FAR. Nothing major.
ONE OR TWO RESPONSES LIKE "SO FAR" IN A T/S LIST ISN'T SCUMTASTIC.
ONCE YOU HIT THREE, THINGS GET REALLY QUESTIONABLE.
ONCE YOU HIT SEVEN
OH LORD
This. There was something about his list that I couldn't put my finger on, but this made it click It's a combination of all of the "so far, etc" combined with the need to note something about every player. It provides a lot of fluff without committing to much.
I want to like Seppel's argument about Huntzilla's word choice of "so far" to be scummy, but I just looked through the only game I've been in that's over - Iji Mafia 2 - and the scum who posted T/S lists did not use "so far". I even noticed that some townspeople used similar phrases. However, I think it is far more likely that town will post more confident t/s lists because they know they are not lying. They could be wrong, but they aren't lying. Mafia would try to use excuses in their lists such as "so far" so they don't have to tie themselves to an argument that isn't well-received. That's just my theory, anyway.
I'm also going to be wary of anybody who says they like me tbh because Killjoy made an entire T/S list in Iji Mafia 2 where basically "suspecting Godot" was a con for everybody who suspected me, and he was mafia. Buddying up to obv-town is like a beard.
That's because it's a bologna argument Godot. Seppel is just throwing mud around trying to make himself look busy like he is "scumhunting" but instead he is just nitpicking on theory. That isn't scumhunting, that's distracting townies. It is the same bull**** we will be dealing with when it comes to Seppel forever.
Read the lines before and after the T/S list again and you will see why my reads are where they are. It's too early for me to be definitive. Except Seppel is jumping quickly up to the top of my list.
Your reads are all jumbled up and include lots of fencesitting instead of just being unsure.
Cythare can you please explain to me in vivid detail the difference between fence sitting and being unsure.
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Being unsure involves statements that you are unsure about a player's alignment, potentially with some indication of where you currently are leaning. Fence sitting involves either making statements that support a player being both alignments or actively leaving a door open to circle back on a player's alignment at a later point. The items Seppel noted - Huntzilla's notes on Plowshares, TCM, Sepiriel, Zionite, Snurfy, and Hunger - plus his notes on ITF, waitingforgodot, and myself read to me like the latter option of the latter option.
Ouch, dude. That's an even better insult than plain ol' "useless" I'm definitely adding that to my signature later.
Literally being in a position where I could kill townspeople would make me more beneficial than being in a position where I do nothing except try to find the people who are trying to kill us. I'm going to need some aloe vera extract and witch hazel for that burn.
Anyway, how would me jumping on a wagon you are completely insincere about make you uncomfortable? It shouldn't make you uncomfortable until he gets to like L-2.
CLEARING SOMEONE WITHOUT NEEDING TO READ ANY OF THEIR POSTS
THAT'S HOW WE ROLL
the line before it is "I will be the first dumbo to stick up a T/S day one with crap to go on."
let me remind you that you said that in defense of NOT HAVING ANY READS
all that line does is PREEMPTIVELY DEFEND YOUR LIST FROM ATTACK
TOTALLY A TOWNIE THING TO DO GUYS
GET BENT
IN THE NECK
Answer question about Snurfy pls.
Additional question: Why are you so certain of my towniness?
Re questioning @everybody... Somebody pls volunteer an answer: does Specialty Mafia mean there are more power roles? (Because if so, TCM's suggestion is less absurd, IMO. Still not the best course of action, I think, but less absurd.)
Any other pearls of wisdom for us Seppel? Because your house of cards will come tumbling down eventually.
My T/S list is what it is. First one of the game with not a lot to go on.
I will tell you, Snurfy jumping back on the bandwagon looks pretty opportunistic.
Still leaving my vote square on you Seppel. You have yet to actually scumhunt. Trying to break me on a T/S list is not gonna happen. Once you do some actual work here in this thread, my vote will come off.
I am a bit ticked off that Seppel of all people would pull a stunt like this. It is ballsy and stupid, and I didn't think Seppel was stupid. I agree though, he has me a bit on tilt because I am so irritated by his line of play. I get he does gambits day one, but trying to lynch someone off a T/S list on day one is a bit over the top, and really just going to end badly. No one wins in this situation. It distracts from actual analysis, and lures the feeble minded into his web of deceit.
Typically specialties are power heavy. This one, in particular, states in the OP that literally everyone has a power AND there are items. This game is heavily powered even for a specialty.
Point heard, and taken, Hunger. Thank you.
Maybe, but not likely. I don't think proposing a no lynch shows audacity. It's a common tool for the town.
No. I unvote when there's better evidence on someone else. Having played with Rodemy before is not required. Most tells stay same.
it's all about self-bias. You can't submit evidence about your meta because it leads to WIFOM. What if you changed your meta on purpose to submit that evidence with a different meaning? There's no way of knowing, so it's not valid. However, if I do the research and find patterns in your behavior, that becomes good evidence because we eliminate the "what if".
That would be a claim, and I think you know that. And there was no smoke and mirrors about ending RVS with a proposal to no lynch (pro town move), or being a power role that benefits from a no lynch. Both were pretty obvious.
Good looking out Seppel, I didn't even notice at first. Yes this is a pretty common tell, and it's better than what I'm going on now. I think one of either huntzilla or rodemy are scum. I'm just not sure which. Pressure is needed here.
Unvote Rodemy, Vote Huntzilla
Kind of hand waving this away here, don't you think? Why are you surprised when questioned about a known scum tell?
By itself, using uncertain language in a T/S list isn't a criminal offense. But reacting to it with OMGUS is even worse. If Seppel's argument is such garbage, and his forcing to lynch you so immense, why aren't you presenting a real defense? Or even having real targets and priorities? It seems like you're not interested in scum hunting and just looking to survive.
You're at like, 3 or 4 votes. The bare minimum to be called a wagon. And you're flailing like mad caught scum and focusing on only one person. This person is using actual evidence (used many times before) to justify a vote on you, and instead of acknowledging real evidence, you assume it is a scum tell? I don't think so.
Your rhetoric isn't fooling anyone. You're not proving how Seppel is scum, only making yourself look worse. How is Seppel pulling a stunt by scumhunting? I could see this reaction from Seppel firing a vig shot on Night 0 or something, but not from placing ONE vote on you. The only way "no one wins in this situation" is if you're town, and you're doing a poor job of looking town.
Where in the OP does it say that? I reread it, and I must be missing that. I also don't have a power role.
Uh, why are you lying?
Oh wait nvm jk
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@Zionite: The problem with that argument is that it hinges entirely on someone else deciding to actually carry out said investigation, if no player ever decides to do that amount of work then by extension the accused party cannot defend him/herself with regards to meta analysis.
This is actually why i hold Meta in and of itself a tool but not a reliable one, similar to how the polygraph is usually such a tenuous piece of evidence when on trial.
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And there it is. There it is again- I made a post commenting about his fence-sitting, and bam! I'm suddenly jumping on a bandwagon. Note that he didn't actually defend himself- he just attacked Seppel (and me to an extent) personally. This has been Huntzilla's attitude the whole game- as soon as he encounters any pushback he immediately backs off the argument itself, then starts to attack the person ad hominem. I'll go out on a limb here and Unvote, Vote: Huntzilla.
Yes it's a scum tell. From Seppel. Out of the players here, I would expect him to understand my play more than anyone. He is deliberately misrepping my style to everyone, by posting bull T/S lists from other games, but notice he didn't ever post any of mine. He is going out of his way to try and force a wagon on me, based on this T/S list, for something that you consider a "known scum tell." There are others that feel it is not a tell at all. Seppel is not scumhunting. He has not made a single stroke towards searching for scum. He simply nitpicked on a posting style at an inopportune moment in the game for me. I am not going to bother with self meta or any of that, because I don't necessarily put a lot of stock in it. But Seppel is just trying to get me killed for a petty reason that I am starting to think isn't about this game at all. I assure you I am not scum. Seppel KNOWS that I am not scum, and is trying to get me killed for it. That's why I voted him. He is acting, to me, as if he knows I am town, and he wants me gone.
This real evidence bit you are talking about makes me laugh. To post a poor reaction to a T/S list and then a bunch of other T/S lists equals "real evidence" to you? I was guessing you were experienced, so for you to buy into that line of thinking makes you look bad to me as well.
Lastly, I don't believe an OMGUS response is a bad thing. Seppel has truly made me mad.
The argument isn't what's in question from you Snurfy. My reads WERE what they WERE, pretty non-existant at that time. So yes, it looks like fence-sitting, I wasn't going to argue that.
The problem with your post was the timing. You came back and made a pot-shot at me because it was the cool kid thing to do at the time. You didn't have a good reason.
The fact that you are trying so hard to blend in makes me really believe you are scum. You, Seppel, and Zionite are at the top of my scum list this second.
Vote still stays on Seppel. I still feel he is trying too hard for this push.
Can you post T/S lists from your scum and your town games?
Trying to read context on intent in text is not something that will be easy with me, because people tend to over-analyze when in fact simplest answer (me trying to do a funny), is usually the correct with me.
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If you think about it, my last post answered both of those questions.
1) Aiding a potential bandwagon on snurfy would have let you get out of your own way, considering that you seem to think snurfy is scum. What you did post did exactly the opposite.
2) The fact that you didn't realize that, and the fact that you *keep doing it*, makes it fairly impossible to think that you're looking at the game from a scum perspective.
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Your reads are all jumbled up and include lots of fencesitting instead of just being unsure.
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