First impression on reading the thread: TCM tosses out a common reaction-getter post, generally a town thing but not a huge tell. Rodemy, who was random voting someone not in the game (generally a scum thing) goes out of his way to vote a *second* person not in the game just to hammer home the point that he's afraid of RVS (which is a scum attitude), then overreacts to discussion by tossing out a serious vote so we can finally be done with RVS and he doesn't have to pretend to be voting with no info. When this draws attention, he tries to make a case out of the nothing that his first real vote consisted of, in hopes of supplying a distraction.
I'm getting more bat***** vibes from Rodemy than scum vibes. I don't really see why he would vote Sir Chris over TCM. One could be his scumbuddy, but I don't know how to explain, it's not something I would expect Rodemy to do.
Can we cut it out with the "vibes"? That's just an excuse not to analyze. If you think Rodemy is just acting clueless, then explain a mindset that makes the posts he did. From where I'm standing, Rodemy's actions make an awful lot more sense as scum than as town. Look at his post where he confirmed his Sir Chris vote: it's not easy to imagine a townie saying, "man, people didn't like my vote there. I think I'll just stay the course and maintain it without adding any justification or thought to it despite it being the reason why I'm being pressured" but it's pretty easy to imagine a scum going, "man, people didn't like my vote there. Now I don't dare do anything so I'm going to stand like a deer in headlights and hope people lose interest if I claim to be the game's randomlol dude."
tl:dr A town would think about the validity of his actions and try to either justify or change his stance. A mafia would think about the validity of the wagon and make moves designed to distract from it. Rodemy pretty clearly did the latter.
He's not claiming to be a randomlol dude, he is a randomlol dude. People don't claim that sort of thing; it's waaaaaaaay too hard to fake. Like, your trying to put a deliberate thought process to the way he goes about things. Neither of your molds fit, he's very clearly not thinking about things in the way you're saying.
The primary way Rodemy's posts make sense is if he saw Sir Chris as wanting to no-lynch. Otherwise, he's doing something that's really odd (voting Sir Chris over TCM) for no reason at all. I don't see the scum motivation.
(Re "Vibes": Sometimes, I can't explain why I get my reads, and I'd rather give them than spend too much time trying to explain.)
Dammit guys i just arrived to see 3 pages... did a very very very light read and skipped most of page 3 so im just going to reply tow two silli posts for my RVS and then re-read when i actually get home and have free time.
I feel like I saw stats somewhere that said most day one lunches are scum. I forget where that was.
I've always thought the opposite, but if you can locate a stat that shows otherwise go for it. Even if we are liklier to lynch town over scum, I'm still against the idea of no lynching.
@Rod Can you not use light colours like cyan and yellow, I can barely read the names with my settings.
tl:dr A town would think about the validity of his actions and try to either justify or change his stance. A mafia would think about the validity of the wagon and make moves designed to distract from it. Rodemy pretty clearly did the latter.
Hey Puddle, what would you say if I told I think the almost the exact oppositie of this?
Dammit guys i just arrived to see 3 pages... did a very very very light read and skipped most of page 3 so im just going to reply tow two silli posts for my RVS and then re-read when i actually get home and have free time.
Less than 3 pages of mostly rvs and your skimreading already. This just sounds like a bad excuse. I think this Sep is scum.
It sounded like at first her was going along with TCM... But after re reading yeah.. i dun ****ed up with that.
Lets unvote and use my stupid, ridiculous, false case against Sir Chris as my reason to be against TCM's plan..
Or you can push this. Because when the hell has Rodemy not make an ass of himself D1.
LEARN TO READ LEARN TO READ LEARN TO READ :[
So what is your stance on TCM's plan, then?
And I still don't get why you voted Chris, who you thought just went along with the plan for a bad reason, instead of the person who proposed the plan for no reason. Can you elaborate there?
Also, why did you never ask TCM why he proposed the plan if you thought it was scummy?
First impression on reading the thread: TCM tosses out a common reaction-getter post, generally a town thing but not a huge tell. Rodemy, who was random voting someone not in the game (generally a scum thing) goes out of his way to vote a *second* person not in the game just to hammer home the point that he's afraid of RVS (which is a scum attitude), then overreacts to discussion by tossing out a serious vote so we can finally be done with RVS and he doesn't have to pretend to be voting with no info. When this draws attention, he tries to make a case out of the nothing that his first real vote consisted of, in hopes of supplying a distraction.
Yeah, I like Rodemy for scum here.
Vote Rodemy
What is your mafia experience?
You say that Rodemy voted two people not in this game... To what are you refering? He only voted Karn, then went on to vote Chris.
I'm getting more bat***** vibes from Rodemy than scum vibes. I don't really see why he would vote Sir Chris over TCM. One could be his scumbuddy, but I don't know how to explain, it's not something I would expect Rodemy to do.
I'm leaning more towards Vote Huntzilla
Why Hunt?
Also I agree that Rodemy is more likely to have misread that quote than not.
Still makes no sense why he would vote Chris over TCM there though.
I would like to say though, the reason I voted him had nothing to do with his vote on Chris. It's a completely different tell... one I'll keep to myself for now to see if he keeps doing it.
@Antny: You say you think almost the exact opposite... can you elaborate?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Dammit guys i just arrived to see 3 pages... did a very very very light read and skipped most of page 3 so im just going to reply tow two silli posts for my RVS and then re-read when i actually get home and have free time.
Less than 3 pages of mostly rvs and your skimreading already. This just sounds like a bad excuse. I think this Sep is scum.
unvote vote Sepiriel
Less than 3 pages of mostly RVS and you are already doing misrep's. Please direct your attention to the bolded part of the segment you quoted me on, see it? good.
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No lynch? Certainly not, that's absurd. No I've just noticed town tends to jump on very poor things early in games. I am asking for people to be more aware of the pitfalls. Caution in sorting stupid froms ***, as it were.
I hadn't even read TCM's posts when I made my first post, by the way.
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Okay so in my ASTUTE OBSERVATION of all things this forum (ie games I have been in) I've noticed towns kind of suck at finding scum day one so let's just do the opposite of what we normally do and start off on the right track!
This sounds way more upbeat than your attitude in *ongoing game*... yeah im going to go ahead and say scum Chris right now and keep it for the rest of the game.
/vote Chris
Also random votes suck let's not bother.
This bit though i do agree with. You are still scum tho.
First impression on reading the thread: TCM tosses out a common reaction-getter post, generally a town thing but not a huge tell. Rodemy, who was random voting someone not in the game (generally a scum thing) goes out of his way to vote a *second* person not in the game just to hammer home the point that he's afraid of RVS (which is a scum attitude), then overreacts to discussion by tossing out a serious vote so we can finally be done with RVS and he doesn't have to pretend to be voting with no info. When this draws attention, he tries to make a case out of the nothing that his first real vote consisted of, in hopes of supplying a distraction.
Yeah, I like Rodemy for scum here.
Vote Rodemy
Im amazed you managed to do such a thorough and convincing analysis with so little to work with...now find evidence to link him with Chris as a buddy and you get my vote for the rest of Mafia eternity.
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If upbeatness was my scum tell that'd be rather tragic. I have a lot of sugar in me, so that's probably a sugar tell. Sugar mafia confirmed.
But it wouldn't be a town game if I didn't accrue random votes for no real reason day one so keep them going.
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Dammit guys i just arrived to see 3 pages... did a very very very light read and skipped most of page 3 so im just going to reply tow two silli posts for my RVS and then re-read when i actually get home and have free time.
Less than 3 pages of mostly rvs and your skimreading already. This just sounds like a bad excuse. I think this Sep is scum.
unvote vote Sepiriel
Less than 3 pages of mostly RVS and you are already doing misrep's. Please direct your attention to the bolded part of the segment you quoted me on, see it? good.
Excuses are still excuses. I don't think town feels the need to prerequisite their post by saying they've done a light read...I'm sorry a "very very very light read" and skipped a short page. It is something I can see scum doing when their nervous people will call them out later for missing something.
The bolded doesn't change anything, your still skimreading and it's still a bad excuse - actually unnecessary excuse might be closer here.
How dare you guys fill the thread with 3 pages while I slept! People are already doing text walls and quotes!
TCM's plan seems kinda stupid- suggesting a nolynch barely 12 hours in is pretty weird. Vote:TheColdMonarch.
Puddlejumper has done an PBPA on Rodemy's, what, four posts? He convinced me of his scumminess pretty well though... Unvote, Vote:Rodemy
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Do you remember in Office Space where that guy had the game called jumping to conclusions I like how that's what Rodemy did. Boy did he jump off the vagueness of my first post and just attack with great vengeance. I have learned scum can be pretty bad so I guess it doesn't town clear him but I like the gusto of just making up an attack and going with it.
Clarification again: I will literally never support a no lynch, I just want to refine the way we do day ones to get better results. NL can rot.
I like how (and this version of like is the bad like btw, as in I don't like it. I am weird sometimes with my wording) Rodemy votes for me for something I didn't say when TCM in fact did say it. God that's so sick if he is that bad as scum. This is the worst for me, because bad scum always sneak by me but god he is so oblivious in these posts can he be scum? Who has played with Rodemy before, I need some information on this guy.
@ Killjoy
I am super, duper town.
(This is me trolling you)
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I'm getting more bat***** vibes from Rodemy than scum vibes. I don't really see why he would vote Sir Chris over TCM. One could be his scumbuddy, but I don't know how to explain, it's not something I would expect Rodemy to do.
How dare you guys fill the thread with 3 pages while I slept! People are already doing text walls and quotes!
TCM's plan seems kinda stupid- suggesting a nolynch barely 12 hours in is pretty weird. Vote:TheColdMonarch.
Puddlejumper has done an PBPA on Rodemy's, what, four posts? He convinced me of his scumminess pretty well though... Unvote, Vote:Rodemy
You call the PBPA into question by diminishing the amount of content and then still say it is sufficient to get your vote? Seems a little scummy to me.
Meh this response alone tells me even engaging you is pointless... good thing ima masochist.
I don't think town feels the need to prerequisite their post by saying they've done a light read...
Oh hey look lets make completely random assumptions about people we have never had any experience playing with before... awesome.
I'm sorry a "very very very light read" and skipped a short page.
You are forgiven
It is something I can see scum doing when their nervous people will call them out later for missing something.
Or you know... someone who opened the forum in a place with crappy unstable connection and not at home... but hey im sure your reasons are all that matter so ok.
The bolded doesn't change anything, your still skimreading and it's still a bad excuse - actually unnecessary excuse might be closer here.
Except it does change thing, im clearly stating i am not free enough to properly read, i am also stating i just got into the thread, i am also saying i will get back on things properly once i am home... but hey once again all that matters is your own voice.
How dare you guys fill the thread with 3 pages while I slept! People are already doing text walls and quotes!
TCM's plan seems kinda stupid- suggesting a nolynch barely 12 hours in is pretty weird. Vote:TheColdMonarch.
Puddlejumper has done an PBPA on Rodemy's, what, four posts? He convinced me of his scumminess pretty well though... Unvote, Vote:Rodemy
@Antny: hey there look if we follow your own reasoning you have found your next wagon after you somehow manage to get me lynched (its not gonna happen but it will be adorable to see you try).
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.....in case it needs to be said, I was on drugs when posting.... Whatever I was posting... About Seppel's child and knitting. My sinscerest apologies.
Nothing concrete, don't have any experience with you in games I can reference so.
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Meh this response alone tells me even engaging you is pointless... good thing ima masochist.
Why would engaging be pointless? There's no better way to determine alignment Day 1 is there.
I don't think town feels the need to prerequisite their post by saying they've done a light read...
Oh hey look lets make completely random assumptions about people we have never had any experience playing with before... awesome.
It wasn't random, it based on my experience. And your right I have to make certain assumptions about you but what's wrong with that. The first time you play with anyone you have to make assumptions based upon experiences with other players. I'd probably be doing the same even if we played several games together.
It is something I can see scum doing when their nervous people will call them out later for missing something.
Or you know... someone who opened the forum in a place with crappy unstable connection and not at home... but hey im sure your reasons are all that matter so ok.
The bolded doesn't change anything, your still skimreading and it's still a bad excuse - actually unnecessary excuse might be closer here.
Except it does change thing, im clearly stating i am not free enough to properly read, i am also stating i just got into the thread, i am also saying i will get back on things properly once i am home... but hey once again all that matters is your own voice.
I swear you remind me of Tilde...
Wow, you have got awfully touchy very quickly, over a single point and a vote. You can complain about this all you want but if it was such problem to read and respond then why not wait a few hours. Half the playerlist hasn't even posted yet.
How dare you guys fill the thread with 3 pages while I slept! People are already doing text walls and quotes!
TCM's plan seems kinda stupid- suggesting a nolynch barely 12 hours in is pretty weird. Vote:TheColdMonarch.
Puddlejumper has done an PBPA on Rodemy's, what, four posts? He convinced me of his scumminess pretty well though... Unvote, Vote:Rodemy
@Antny: hey there look if we follow your own reasoning you have found your next wagon after you somehow manage to get me lynched (its not gonna happen but it will be adorable to see you try).
If you're trying to compare what Snurfy said and what you said then I disagree. They're different in a very particularly way (one which I think you could have picked up if you think about what I'm accusing you of).
Also, I'm going to say that if you flip scum, this post probably means Snurfy is town.
Why would engaging be pointless? There's no better way to determine alignment Day 1 is there.
because you are not looking for discussion, nothing i say will be ok with you, even more the more i try to dig my way through that muck you call your reasoning the more you are going to deadset yourself on me being scum when im not, so much easier for me to just not worry about you.
It wasn't random, it based on my experience. And your right I have to make certain assumptions about you but what's wrong with that. The first time you play with anyone you have to make assumptions based upon experiences with other players. I'd probably be doing the same even if we played several games together.
I love it when you guys go around saying things like "I have to make some assumptions", yeah no, worst way to play on my mind.
Wow, you have got awfully touchy very quickly, over a single point and a vote.
Not really, im more frustrated than anything, me being touchy and stuff would be way way worst, sadly it seems you are injecting tone where there is none.
You can complain about this all you want but if it was such problem to read and respond then why not wait a few hours.
Because it wasn't enough of a problem to make a short post, it also wasnt enough of a bother since its RVS.
Half the playerlist hasn't even posted yet.
So?
If you're trying to compare what Snurfy said and what you said then I disagree. They're different in a very particularly way (one which I think you could have picked up if you think about what I'm accusing you of).
Also, I'm going to say that if you flip scum, this post probably means Snurfy is town.
The only difference between Snurfy's post and mine is he skimread BUT also barned and placed a vote, me on the other hand simply addressed two posts i found fun and decided to do a better read afterwards... because you know, this is a game and fun is what you do in games...
I also love how you are insta-assuming that IF i was scum i wouldn't tie myself so early to a buddy... but oh well good thing i'm town so i dont really care.
Honestly i could care less at this point to keep engaging with you, you remind me to much of Tilde for some reason and for some reason 3 years isn't enough to stop me from being salty about that guy
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Why would engaging be pointless? There's no better way to determine alignment Day 1 is there.
because you are not looking for discussion, nothing i say will be ok with you, even more the more i try to dig my way through that muck you call your reasoning the more you are going to deadset yourself on me being scum when im not, so much easier for me to just not worry about you.
You make it sound as if I have been nothing but unreasonable here. Which is completely unfair. I have not dismissed anything you have said. I have not ignored it. In fact by engaging with you I've trying to get a better handle on your alignment. Am I meant to apologise for the fact you haven't been able to act town enough for me or something?
It wasn't random, it based on my experience. And your right I have to make certain assumptions about you but what's wrong with that. The first time you play with anyone you have to make assumptions based upon experiences with other players. I'd probably be doing the same even if we played several games together.
I love it when you guys go around saying things like "I have to make some assumptions", yeah no, worst way to play on my mind.
I don't know who "you guys" are meant to be exactly but seriously, tell me how I should be scumhunting. Because your taken issue with my methods but besides not scumreading you what advice would you give me?
Wow, you have got awfully touchy very quickly, over a single point and a vote.
Not really, im more frustrated than anything, me being touchy and stuff would be way way worst, sadly it seems you are injecting tone where there is none.
I call it how I see it. Frustration, touchiness their so closely linked I won't split hairs. I don't see what I've done that frustrate you. Like I said, it was a point and a vote and now I'm seem to be getting it in the neck over in every other response from you.
You can complain about this all you want but if it was such problem to read and respond then why not wait a few hours.
Because it wasn't enough of a problem to make a short post, it also wasnt enough of a bother since its RVS.
Fair enough, I kinda understand this mindset.
Half the playerlist hasn't even posted yet.
So?
So there was no rush to post.
If you're trying to compare what Snurfy said and what you said then I disagree. They're different in a very particularly way (one which I think you could have picked up if you think about what I'm accusing you of).
Also, I'm going to say that if you flip scum, this post probably means Snurfy is town.
The only difference between Snurfy's post and mine is he skimread BUT also barned and placed a vote, me on the other hand simply addressed two posts i found fun and decided to do a better read afterwards... because you know, this is a game and fun is what you do in games...[/quote]
Actually that wasn't what I was referring to at all. Snurfy complained about the length but he didn't try to excuse anything - which if you recall was the one thing I had against at the start of all this. I have no problem with players making fun posts, nor have I ever said it was a problem that you made light hearted comments.
I also love how you are insta-assuming that IF i was scum i wouldn't tie myself so early to a buddy... but oh well good thing i'm town so i dont really care.
I wasn't saying this either. Do you want have another guess at what I was thinking or do you want me to just tell you?
Honestly i could care less at this point to keep engaging with you, you remind me to much of Tilde for some reason and for some reason 3 years isn't enough to stop me from being salty about that guy
I dunno who a Tilde is or why you keep mentioning it, just like I don't know why you would be salty towards me. Sorry if you don't like votes or scumreads, but it's sort what I do to some people in mafia games. You want to stop engaging with me and ignoring me then that will just make everything tougher.
I agree with KJ, Rodemy's vote of Chris, even if his false pretenses were true, doesn't make any sense over voting TCM. I like KJs lines of questioning so far.
Puddle is showing some strong early analysis, I like where his head is at.
Sepi is so over the top aggressive and defensive. I also don't like her early, "I'm sticking with Chris being scum this game," it feels really forced. Much like Chris' misgivings with Rodemy being scum however, I can't see how Sepi could be so arrogantly abrasive as scum so early.
Pretty sure Antny is town.
snurfy's first post is awful. I hate everything about it.
I see no good reason for a No Lynch on D1. We need information to suss out the scum, and even if we lynch incorrectly D1, seeing a flip provides more information to go on for the next day. Barring a specific mechanical reason, I am not a fan of No Lynching unless it's MyLo.
First impression on reading the thread: TCM tosses out a common reaction-getter post, generally a town thing but not a huge tell. Rodemy, who was random voting someone not in the game (generally a scum thing) goes out of his way to vote a *second* person not in the game just to hammer home the point that he's afraid of RVS (which is a scum attitude), then overreacts to discussion by tossing out a serious vote so we can finally be done with RVS and he doesn't have to pretend to be voting with no info. When this draws attention, he tries to make a case out of the nothing that his first real vote consisted of, in hopes of supplying a distraction.
Yeah, I like Rodemy for scum here.
Vote Rodemy
You obviously have never played with me but i do point this out..
" just to hammer home the point that he's afraid of RVS (which is a scum attitude)"
Wat? When in the god damned world did i say i was afraid of RVS? Don't put words in my mouth.
Also: Puddle Jumper
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@ITF: I think there are plenty of players trying to fill the randomlol space in this game. Sepiriel, Huntzilla, Sir Chris. The fact that Rod voted for one person when he could have voted for another doesn't mean a whole lot to me until we get out of Day 1 and have a little bit of info to go on. There are plenty of role-based reasons as both town and scum that could influence his vote, or very possibly he just wasn't reading carefully enough. More important are his stated motivations in actually spending his vote and how cleanly they line up with someone who doesn't want to be the center of attention.
@Killjoy: he also voted for someone called godot in his first post. I assume that's a person. Also, voting for someone giving a bad reason for something is better justification than voting someone for not giving a reason, but again, we're going off the rails in terms of hypotheticals at that point. Could be worth coming back to once we have more info.
Antny reads as confident which is either a town tell or an experience tell. I don't know which, but from his "exact opposite" comment, I'm going to guess the former.
Sepiriel reads as insecure. Just putting that out there for now.
Can we cut it out with the "vibes"? That's just an excuse not to analyze. If you think Rodemy is just acting clueless, then explain a mindset that makes the posts he did. From where I'm standing, Rodemy's actions make an awful lot more sense as scum than as town. Look at his post where he confirmed his Sir Chris vote: it's not easy to imagine a townie saying, "man, people didn't like my vote there. I think I'll just stay the course and maintain it without adding any justification or thought to it despite it being the reason why I'm being pressured" but it's pretty easy to imagine a scum going, "man, people didn't like my vote there. Now I don't dare do anything so I'm going to stand like a deer in headlights and hope people lose interest if I claim to be the game's randomlol dude."
tl:dr A town would think about the validity of his actions and try to either justify or change his stance. A mafia would think about the validity of the wagon and make moves designed to distract from it. Rodemy pretty clearly did the latter.
The problem with this is you are saying i did things i totally didn't do.
I am not scared of RVS.
I was not "pressured" I was shown the error of my vote and reasoning.(even Killjoy thought my reading was correct) Why would i continue pushing a case that was never correct in the first place? If i kept pushing a Sir Chris vote AFTER killjoy pointed out that he didn't actually agree with TCM, THAT would be a scummy mindset.
I agree with KJ, Rodemy's vote of Chris, even if his false pretenses were true, doesn't make any sense over voting TCM. I like KJs lines of questioning so far.
Puddle is showing some strong early analysis, I like where his head is at.
Sepi is so over the top aggressive and defensive. I also don't like her early, "I'm sticking with Chris being scum this game," it feels really forced. Much like Chris' misgivings with Rodemy being scum however, I can't see how Sepi could be so arrogantly abrasive as scum so early.
Pretty sure Antny is town.
snurfy's first post is awful. I hate everything about it.
@snurfy - What's your mafia experience?
Ei just saw you DIDN'T agree with my Sir Chris vote. I saw a list "I agree with KJ, Rodemy's vote on Chris...." That was me just failing to read the rest of the sentence
How dare you guys fill the thread with 3 pages while I slept! People are already doing text walls and quotes!
TCM's plan seems kinda stupid- suggesting a nolynch barely 12 hours in is pretty weird. Vote:TheColdMonarch.
Puddlejumper has done an PBPA on Rodemy's, what, four posts? He convinced me of his scumminess pretty well though... Unvote, Vote:Rodemy
This post is kind of bad. Snurfy Votes TCM Saying his idea is bad... but Then goes along with Puddle Jumper instead... Lets see their analysis of me:
It is stating that TCM is Town..ish. THAT is what it takes to change your mind on him? Forget Puddle's "PBPA" On me... your jump litereally happened because Puddle Said tcm did a genreally townie thing. So his scumminess is... null and void to you?
I'm getting more bat***** vibes from Rodemy than scum vibes. I don't really see why he would vote Sir Chris over TCM. One could be his scumbuddy, but I don't know how to explain, it's not something I would expect Rodemy to do.
How dare you guys fill the thread with 3 pages while I slept! People are already doing text walls and quotes!
TCM's plan seems kinda stupid- suggesting a nolynch barely 12 hours in is pretty weird. Vote:TheColdMonarch.
Puddlejumper has done an PBPA on Rodemy's, what, four posts? He convinced me of his scumminess pretty well though... Unvote, Vote:Rodemy
You call the PBPA into question by diminishing the amount of content and then still say it is sufficient to get your vote? Seems a little scummy to me.
Unvote
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First off, I have not targeted him to be Iso yet, seeing as I am Iso's Mom and all. Second, Your vote on Snurfy gets my seal of approval and I will follow. Vote Snurfy8
I am skipping over Sep and Anty's Argument. It seems silly and i have't even read it.
^^ This is more for my own reference.. Sorry if you can't read the colors. I have litereally NO idea wat colors can be used.. But this seems alright.
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Pudddle Jumper- " The fact that Rod voted for one person when he could have voted for another doesn't mean a whole lot to me until we get out of Day 1 and have a little bit of info to go on."
You called that entire mindset scummy not even a page ago. Even voted me for it....
Um... Can someone explain?
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I don't like how Sepiriel felt the need to state that she'd skimmed the first 3 pages and would reread later. This looks like an attempt to look busy when there really isn't that much to be busy about. I'll be keeping an eye on her moving forward. I was going to vote for her, but then I read Antny's follow-up, and I just can't reconcile how early it is, what he's calling scummy (even though it's the same thing I'm calling scummy), and how confident it looks like he is on his read of her.
I don't like how Sepiriel felt the need to state that she'd skimmed the first 3 pages and would reread later. This looks like an attempt to look busy when there really isn't that much to be busy about. I'll be keeping an eye on her moving forward. I was going to vote for her, but then I read Antny's follow-up, and I just can't reconcile how early it is, what he's calling scummy (even though it's the same thing I'm calling scummy), and how confident it looks like he is on his read of her.
Also, Unvote Killjoy
Vote Antny223
I think this might be the worst reason anyone has ever voted for me.
Dammit guys i just arrived to see 3 pages... did a very very very light read and skipped most of page 3 so im just going to reply tow two silli posts for my RVS and then re-read when i actually get home and have free time.
Less than 3 pages of mostly rvs and your skimreading already. This just sounds like a bad excuse. I think this Sep is scum.
unvote vote Sepiriel
But like, seriously, you're quick to misrepresent her post with "skimreading already", call it a bad excuse, and then call her scum. You look too trigger-happy here.
Excuses are still excuses. I don't think town feels the need to prerequisite their post by saying they've done a light read...I'm sorry a "very very very light read" and skipped a short page. It is something I can see scum doing when their nervous people will call them out later for missing something.
The bolded doesn't change anything, your still skimreading and it's still a bad excuse - actually unnecessary excuse might be closer here.
And after 61 I'm happy to keep my vote on you.
This is actually terrible. Except the last line.
Also, Seperiel's first bit of content in #74 is compelling - you ask why engaging is pointless, but you're quibbling with her over something that you should have just let go of after she started to provide more content. Arguing about the difference between skimreading once and skimreading already isn't going to help suss out alignment.
Aside: I don't get why so many mods are requiring unvotes like this. Outside of a small number of roles it's surely pretty obvious that if I'm voting someone I want my vote shifted from the person I'm previously voting.
And Cythare you can't backtrack now. You said you agreed with what I found scummy, and now I've called you out on it, you suddenly decided you don't like it after all. Bad misstep girl.
TCM: D1 NL is terrible. Barring exceptional circumstances around lylo math, NL is always in the scum's favor.
KJ:
1) No.
2) I'm sure I have scum tells but I don't know what they are.
I don't get why so many mods are requiring unvotes like this. Outside of a small number of roles it's surely pretty obvious that if I'm voting someone I want my vote shifted from the person I'm previously voting.
The reason is to provide a cue to mods to delete the other vote. Usually mods catch it anyway, but votes get tossed around so often by so many people that it can be easy to miss a deletion and then they have to comb through the thread to find the correct placement again. It's not a big deal but it's so easy to just type unvote that it became a rule.
@Rod: I thought your voting behavior was bad because you maintained a weak vote on Sir Chris without justifying it after being questioned about it. I don't care about the actual reasoning for the vote, or how badly you misread his post, just that you failed to follow it up with any sort of attack. Instead you got defensive and used it as justification for why your behavior wasn't scummy:
@Killjoy I LITERALLY said why I voted him. IDGAF who suggested it. It was his reason for wanting it to happen. TCM Didn't give a reason and I still think it's a bad idea
Sir Chris Gave a reason for wanting this bad idea, and i think he is scum for it.
Townie mindset: "Why can't people see what I'm talking about? Vote Chris guys!" Scum mindset: "Why are you voting me? My vote was justified!"
Okay so, IF Sir Chris actually HAD agreed with TCM, It would be scummy because it appeared that TCM was fishing. Putting out a bad idea that is anti town can be scum.. but agreeing with it seems more like Scum agreeing with townies bad idea.
Sir Chris stood out more for going along with it than TCM was suggesting it. If Sir Chris had been lynched and came up scum, it would be a reason to investigate TCM D2.
HOWEVER
You told me that Sir Chris wasn't actually agreeing with TCM, which made me go back, re-read his post and go.. OHHHHHHHH.. Hence why I didn't continue the push.
Does that make sense?
Seriously, are you guys saying that i am scummy for NOT pushing a made up case? ._.?
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I don't like how Sepiriel felt the need to state that she'd skimmed the first 3 pages and would reread later. This looks like an attempt to look busy when there really isn't that much to be busy about. I'll be keeping an eye on her moving forward.
Then just 4 posts later, I'm apparently misrepresenting when I said she is skimming. It couldn't be more of a double standard. And then in the rest of the post:
I was going to vote for her, but then I read Antny's follow-up, and I just can't reconcile how early it is, what he's calling scummy (even though it's the same thing I'm calling scummy), and how confident it looks like he is on his read of her.
How is so hard to reconcile someone finding the same thing scummy as you??? It makes no sense at all.
Then you call me trigger happy simply because what, I voted her. On page 3. Do you think my vote has a vigshot attached to it or something. You've been on this forum long enough to know how quickly early votes move around.
Can we cut it out with the "vibes"? That's just an excuse not to analyze. If you think Rodemy is just acting clueless, then explain a mindset that makes the posts he did. From where I'm standing, Rodemy's actions make an awful lot more sense as scum than as town. Look at his post where he confirmed his Sir Chris vote: it's not easy to imagine a townie saying, "man, people didn't like my vote there. I think I'll just stay the course and maintain it without adding any justification or thought to it despite it being the reason why I'm being pressured" but it's pretty easy to imagine a scum going, "man, people didn't like my vote there. Now I don't dare do anything so I'm going to stand like a deer in headlights and hope people lose interest if I claim to be the game's randomlol dude."
tl:dr A town would think about the validity of his actions and try to either justify or change his stance. A mafia would think about the validity of the wagon and make moves designed to distract from it. Rodemy pretty clearly did the latter.
Scum post is scummy. Cool logic and justification are tools for Scum, not Town. Also, I play almost exclusively on vibes. Get used to it. Vote: Puddle Jumper
How dare you guys fill the thread with 3 pages while I slept! People are already doing text walls and quotes!
TCM's plan seems kinda stupid- suggesting a nolynch barely 12 hours in is pretty weird. Vote:TheColdMonarch.
Puddlejumper has done an PBPA on Rodemy's, what, four posts? He convinced me of his scumminess pretty well though... Unvote, Vote:Rodemy
I see a scumbuddy, too. Man, this is going to be easy.
I don't like how Sepiriel felt the need to state that she'd skimmed the first 3 pages and would reread later. This looks like an attempt to look busy when there really isn't that much to be busy about. I'll be keeping an eye on her moving forward.
Then just 4 posts later, I'm apparently misrepresenting when I said she is skimming. It couldn't be more of a double standard.
NO. You said she is "skimming already". The "already" implies something altogether different to me. You focus on a different aspect than I did and then you just ride it.
I was going to vote for her, but then I read Antny's follow-up, and I just can't reconcile how early it is, what he's calling scummy (even though it's the same thing I'm calling scummy), and how confident it looks like he is on his read of her.
How is so hard to reconcile someone finding the same thing scummy as you??? It makes no sense at all.
We're calling it scummy for different reasons and I don't like the reasoning you're using coupled with the rest of your lead up. I admit that could have been phrased better initially, though.
Then you call me trigger happy simply because what, I voted her. On page 3. Do you think my vote has a vigshot attached to it or something. You've been on this forum long enough to know how quickly early votes move around.
Trigger happy wasn't the right phrase because it has a different connotation than I meant. I don't have an issue with the vote - I have an issue with your content leading up to voting her and how confident it reads in the process that you've found scum, rather than that you're applying pressure on someone who's scummy.
Scum post is scummy. Cool logic and justification are tools for Scum, not Town. Also, I play almost exclusively on vibes. Get used to it.
I understand that if you want to play a lot of mafia, there's a certain amount of deliberate misplay that goes into being a townie just so you don't get nightkilled every Night 1. That doesn't mean cool logic and justification are actually bad, though. It just means that most good analysts won't survive to the endgame.
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Yeah, I like Rodemy for scum here.
Vote Rodemy
I'm leaning more towards Vote Huntzilla
tl:dr A town would think about the validity of his actions and try to either justify or change his stance. A mafia would think about the validity of the wagon and make moves designed to distract from it. Rodemy pretty clearly did the latter.
The primary way Rodemy's posts make sense is if he saw Sir Chris as wanting to no-lynch. Otherwise, he's doing something that's really odd (voting Sir Chris over TCM) for no reason at all. I don't see the scum motivation.
(Re "Vibes": Sometimes, I can't explain why I get my reads, and I'd rather give them than spend too much time trying to explain.)
1) I love Town-PR lynching, i will now make it my goal this game to at least contribute to one PR Mislynch, thanks for the idea KJ.
2) I dont have a tell... im just crappy overall... if you find a tell for me please let me know during post game.
You will get even worse when you realize both of us address the other as Sep.
The only problem being when one is color blind...
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Ok I will re-read later.
@Godot: great to see you are doing better (well im assuming you are, i mean you being here again and all that... yeah.. ill shut up now.)
1) No, my goal is lynch every vt. ;P
2) I don't know, ask someone who thinks they catch me as scum.
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But since you had to be a whine-baby, I will vote you instead.
Whine-baby eh. Well I'm going to prove my maturity but throwing a tamtrum and then not talking to you. :ria::ria:
I've always thought the opposite, but if you can locate a stat that shows otherwise go for it. Even if we are liklier to lynch town over scum, I'm still against the idea of no lynching.
@Rod Can you not use light colours like cyan and yellow, I can barely read the names with my settings.
Hey Puddle, what would you say if I told I think the almost the exact oppositie of this?
Less than 3 pages of mostly rvs and your skimreading already. This just sounds like a bad excuse. I think this Sep is scum.
unvote
vote Sepiriel
The middle bit is meant to be:
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2) I don't know, ask someone who thinks they catch me as scum.
Whine-baby eh. Well I'm going to prove my maturity but throwing a tamtrum and then not talking to you.
...
And I still don't get why you voted Chris, who you thought just went along with the plan for a bad reason, instead of the person who proposed the plan for no reason. Can you elaborate there?
Also, why did you never ask TCM why he proposed the plan if you thought it was scummy?
What is your mafia experience?
You say that Rodemy voted two people not in this game... To what are you refering? He only voted Karn, then went on to vote Chris.
Why Hunt?
Also I agree that Rodemy is more likely to have misread that quote than not.
Still makes no sense why he would vote Chris over TCM there though.
I would like to say though, the reason I voted him had nothing to do with his vote on Chris. It's a completely different tell... one I'll keep to myself for now to see if he keeps doing it.
@Antny: You say you think almost the exact opposite... can you elaborate?
Less than 3 pages of mostly RVS and you are already doing misrep's. Please direct your attention to the bolded part of the segment you quoted me on, see it? good.
I hadn't even read TCM's posts when I made my first post, by the way.
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Actually im fine with doing a D1 NL, however not when we are only 60 posts in.
This sounds way more upbeat than your attitude in *ongoing game*... yeah im going to go ahead and say scum Chris right now and keep it for the rest of the game.
/vote Chris
This bit though i do agree with. You are still scum tho.
Im amazed you managed to do such a thorough and convincing analysis with so little to work with...now find evidence to link him with Chris as a buddy and you get my vote for the rest of Mafia eternity.
But it wouldn't be a town game if I didn't accrue random votes for no real reason day one so keep them going.
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I will do but not yet.
Excuses are still excuses. I don't think town feels the need to prerequisite their post by saying they've done a light read...I'm sorry a "very very very light read" and skipped a short page. It is something I can see scum doing when their nervous people will call them out later for missing something.
The bolded doesn't change anything, your still skimreading and it's still a bad excuse - actually unnecessary excuse might be closer here.
And after 61 I'm happy to keep my vote on you.
TCM's plan seems kinda stupid- suggesting a nolynch barely 12 hours in is pretty weird. Vote:TheColdMonarch.
Puddlejumper has done an PBPA on Rodemy's, what, four posts? He convinced me of his scumminess pretty well though... Unvote, Vote:Rodemy
Do you remember in Office Space where that guy had the game called jumping to conclusions I like how that's what Rodemy did. Boy did he jump off the vagueness of my first post and just attack with great vengeance. I have learned scum can be pretty bad so I guess it doesn't town clear him but I like the gusto of just making up an attack and going with it.
Clarification again: I will literally never support a no lynch, I just want to refine the way we do day ones to get better results. NL can rot.
I like how (and this version of like is the bad like btw, as in I don't like it. I am weird sometimes with my wording) Rodemy votes for me for something I didn't say when TCM in fact did say it. God that's so sick if he is that bad as scum. This is the worst for me, because bad scum always sneak by me but god he is so oblivious in these posts can he be scum? Who has played with Rodemy before, I need some information on this guy.
@ Killjoy
I am super, duper town.
(This is me trolling you)
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Iso? Is that you? Throwing tantrums and avoiding people? Must be Iso... reincarnated
What "vibes" am I giving off to you ITF?
You call the PBPA into question by diminishing the amount of content and then still say it is sufficient to get your vote? Seems a little scummy to me.
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Oh hey look lets make completely random assumptions about people we have never had any experience playing with before... awesome.
You are forgiven
Or you know... someone who opened the forum in a place with crappy unstable connection and not at home... but hey im sure your reasons are all that matter so ok.
Except it does change thing, im clearly stating i am not free enough to properly read, i am also stating i just got into the thread, i am also saying i will get back on things properly once i am home... but hey once again all that matters is your own voice.
I swear you remind me of Tilde...
good for you... you are wrong tho.
@Antny: hey there look if we follow your own reasoning you have found your next wagon after you somehow manage to get me lynched (its not gonna happen but it will be adorable to see you try).
In case you missed the pun, it is BURied back there now that RVS is over.
Nothing concrete, don't have any experience with you in games I can reference so.
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men.
Why would engaging be pointless? There's no better way to determine alignment Day 1 is there.
It wasn't random, it based on my experience. And your right I have to make certain assumptions about you but what's wrong with that. The first time you play with anyone you have to make assumptions based upon experiences with other players. I'd probably be doing the same even if we played several games together.
Wow, you have got awfully touchy very quickly, over a single point and a vote. You can complain about this all you want but if it was such problem to read and respond then why not wait a few hours. Half the playerlist hasn't even posted yet.
If you're trying to compare what Snurfy said and what you said then I disagree. They're different in a very particularly way (one which I think you could have picked up if you think about what I'm accusing you of).
Also, I'm going to say that if you flip scum, this post probably means Snurfy is town.
I love it when you guys go around saying things like "I have to make some assumptions", yeah no, worst way to play on my mind.
Not really, im more frustrated than anything, me being touchy and stuff would be way way worst, sadly it seems you are injecting tone where there is none.
Because it wasn't enough of a problem to make a short post, it also wasnt enough of a bother since its RVS.
So?
The only difference between Snurfy's post and mine is he skimread BUT also barned and placed a vote, me on the other hand simply addressed two posts i found fun and decided to do a better read afterwards... because you know, this is a game and fun is what you do in games...
I also love how you are insta-assuming that IF i was scum i wouldn't tie myself so early to a buddy... but oh well good thing i'm town so i dont really care.
Honestly i could care less at this point to keep engaging with you, you remind me to much of Tilde for some reason and for some reason 3 years isn't enough to stop me from being salty about that guy
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You make it sound as if I have been nothing but unreasonable here. Which is completely unfair. I have not dismissed anything you have said. I have not ignored it. In fact by engaging with you I've trying to get a better handle on your alignment. Am I meant to apologise for the fact you haven't been able to act town enough for me or something?
I don't know who "you guys" are meant to be exactly but seriously, tell me how I should be scumhunting. Because your taken issue with my methods but besides not scumreading you what advice would you give me?
I call it how I see it. Frustration, touchiness their so closely linked I won't split hairs. I don't see what I've done that frustrate you. Like I said, it was a point and a vote and now I'm seem to be getting it in the neck over in every other response from you.
Fair enough, I kinda understand this mindset.
So there was no rush to post.
The only difference between Snurfy's post and mine is he skimread BUT also barned and placed a vote, me on the other hand simply addressed two posts i found fun and decided to do a better read afterwards... because you know, this is a game and fun is what you do in games...[/quote]
Actually that wasn't what I was referring to at all. Snurfy complained about the length but he didn't try to excuse anything - which if you recall was the one thing I had against at the start of all this. I have no problem with players making fun posts, nor have I ever said it was a problem that you made light hearted comments.
I wasn't saying this either. Do you want have another guess at what I was thinking or do you want me to just tell you?
I dunno who a Tilde is or why you keep mentioning it, just like I don't know why you would be salty towards me. Sorry if you don't like votes or scumreads, but it's sort what I do to some people in mafia games. You want to stop engaging with me and ignoring me then that will just make everything tougher.
I agree with KJ, Rodemy's vote of Chris, even if his false pretenses were true, doesn't make any sense over voting TCM. I like KJs lines of questioning so far.
Puddle is showing some strong early analysis, I like where his head is at.
Sepi is so over the top aggressive and defensive. I also don't like her early, "I'm sticking with Chris being scum this game," it feels really forced. Much like Chris' misgivings with Rodemy being scum however, I can't see how Sepi could be so arrogantly abrasive as scum so early.
Pretty sure Antny is town.
snurfy's first post is awful. I hate everything about it.
@snurfy - What's your mafia experience?
2) I tend to look townier as scum than I do as town.
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You obviously have never played with me but i do point this out..
" just to hammer home the point that he's afraid of RVS (which is a scum attitude)"
Wat? When in the god damned world did i say i was afraid of RVS? Don't put words in my mouth.
Also: Puddle Jumper
@Killjoy: he also voted for someone called godot in his first post. I assume that's a person. Also, voting for someone giving a bad reason for something is better justification than voting someone for not giving a reason, but again, we're going off the rails in terms of hypotheticals at that point. Could be worth coming back to once we have more info.
Antny reads as confident which is either a town tell or an experience tell. I don't know which, but from his "exact opposite" comment, I'm going to guess the former.
Sepiriel reads as insecure. Just putting that out there for now.
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The problem with this is you are saying i did things i totally didn't do.
I am not scared of RVS.
I was not "pressured" I was shown the error of my vote and reasoning.(even Killjoy thought my reading was correct) Why would i continue pushing a case that was never correct in the first place? If i kept pushing a Sir Chris vote AFTER killjoy pointed out that he didn't actually agree with TCM, THAT would be a scummy mindset.
Ei just saw you DIDN'T agree with my Sir Chris vote. I saw a list "I agree with KJ, Rodemy's vote on Chris...." That was me just failing to read the rest of the sentence
This. Doesn't feel right. Forced excuse sounds forced. ESPECIALLY that last part.
This post is kind of bad. Snurfy Votes TCM Saying his idea is bad... but Then goes along with Puddle Jumper instead... Lets see their analysis of me:
It is stating that TCM is Town..ish. THAT is what it takes to change your mind on him? Forget Puddle's "PBPA" On me... your jump litereally happened because Puddle Said tcm did a genreally townie thing. So his scumminess is... null and void to you?
Explain. Now.
I HAVE! That guy is a dick. **** Rodemy
First off, I have not targeted him to be Iso yet, seeing as I am Iso's Mom and all. Second, Your vote on Snurfy gets my seal of approval and I will follow. Vote Snurfy8
I am skipping over Sep and Anty's Argument. It seems silly and i have't even read it.
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3. Antny223
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You called that entire mindset scummy not even a page ago. Even voted me for it....
Um... Can someone explain?
Also, Unvote Killjoy
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I think this might be the worst reason anyone has ever voted for me.
vote Cythare
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Also, Seperiel's first bit of content in #74 is compelling - you ask why engaging is pointless, but you're quibbling with her over something that you should have just let go of after she started to provide more content. Arguing about the difference between skimreading once and skimreading already isn't going to help suss out alignment.
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Fine.
unvote
vote Cythare
Aside: I don't get why so many mods are requiring unvotes like this. Outside of a small number of roles it's surely pretty obvious that if I'm voting someone I want my vote shifted from the person I'm previously voting.
And Cythare you can't backtrack now. You said you agreed with what I found scummy, and now I've called you out on it, you suddenly decided you don't like it after all. Bad misstep girl.
There's a difference between "why do you feel the need to state that you're skimming? -> <vote Sep>" and what you did.
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TCM: D1 NL is terrible. Barring exceptional circumstances around lylo math, NL is always in the scum's favor.
KJ:
1) No.
2) I'm sure I have scum tells but I don't know what they are.
Dislike Hunger, PJ. Like Cythare. More later.
The reason is to provide a cue to mods to delete the other vote. Usually mods catch it anyway, but votes get tossed around so often by so many people that it can be easy to miss a deletion and then they have to comb through the thread to find the correct placement again. It's not a big deal but it's so easy to just type unvote that it became a rule.
@Rod: I thought your voting behavior was bad because you maintained a weak vote on Sir Chris without justifying it after being questioned about it. I don't care about the actual reasoning for the vote, or how badly you misread his post, just that you failed to follow it up with any sort of attack. Instead you got defensive and used it as justification for why your behavior wasn't scummy:
Townie mindset: "Why can't people see what I'm talking about? Vote Chris guys!" Scum mindset: "Why are you voting me? My vote was justified!"
See the difference?
Okay so, IF Sir Chris actually HAD agreed with TCM, It would be scummy because it appeared that TCM was fishing. Putting out a bad idea that is anti town can be scum.. but agreeing with it seems more like Scum agreeing with townies bad idea.
Sir Chris stood out more for going along with it than TCM was suggesting it. If Sir Chris had been lynched and came up scum, it would be a reason to investigate TCM D2.
HOWEVER
You told me that Sir Chris wasn't actually agreeing with TCM, which made me go back, re-read his post and go.. OHHHHHHHH.. Hence why I didn't continue the push.
Does that make sense?
Seriously, are you guys saying that i am scummy for NOT pushing a made up case? ._.?
Then just 4 posts later, I'm apparently misrepresenting when I said she is skimming. It couldn't be more of a double standard. And then in the rest of the post:
How is so hard to reconcile someone finding the same thing scummy as you??? It makes no sense at all.
Then you call me trigger happy simply because what, I voted her. On page 3. Do you think my vote has a vigshot attached to it or something. You've been on this forum long enough to know how quickly early votes move around.
Explain your vote on Hunger... why make a wagon in RVS?
Hunger (1): Bur
Cythare (1): Antny223
Antny223 (1): Cythare
Snurfy8 (2): Huntzilla, Rodemy
Plowshares (1): Seppel
Rodemy (3): Snurfy8, PuddleJumper, Killjoy
Sire Chris (1): Sepiriel
Huntzilla (1): ITF
ITF (1): Zionite
No Lynch (1): TCM
Not voting: Plowshares, KamikazeArchon, Sir Chris, Waitingforgodot
With 18 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
The No Lynch is a tool for the Town, and has its uses. Day 1 is not one of them.
Scum post is scummy. Cool logic and justification are tools for Scum, not Town. Also, I play almost exclusively on vibes. Get used to it.
Vote: Puddle Jumper
I see a scumbuddy, too. Man, this is going to be easy.
This is my scumtell: I'm ALWAYS Scum. Even when I'm not, I am.
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I understand that if you want to play a lot of mafia, there's a certain amount of deliberate misplay that goes into being a townie just so you don't get nightkilled every Night 1. That doesn't mean cool logic and justification are actually bad, though. It just means that most good analysts won't survive to the endgame.