The approach was different, though. He wasn't calling BlackVise out for RVSing after RVS was over. He was calling him out for Silver Rage over not being able to.
That said, in addition to the quoted portions, I also dislike that Cantripmancer apologized for not seeing the game start when the game's been going for < 36 hours and #92 also feels manufactured for me.
Cantripmancer's in my scum pile along with BlackVise, Bur, and Rai.
The approach was different, though. He wasn't calling BlackVise out for RVSing after RVS was over. He was calling him out for Silver Rage over not being able to.
To me, these are very similar things. They're both emblematic of placing too much value into RVS and too much effort into trying to conform to it.
That said, in addition to the quoted portions, I also dislike that Cantripmancer apologized for not seeing the game start when the game's been going for < 36 hours and #92 also feels manufactured for me.
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Asking others for their reasons on Arian being town and then providing a fencesitty answer when asked what he thought about Arian.
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This post. It comes across to me as a forced attempt to call himself town by saying "The only people who want a quick lynching at this point would be the scum." and then not voting.
The approach was different, though. He wasn't calling BlackVise out for RVSing after RVS was over. He was calling him out for Silver Rage over not being able to.
To me, these are very similar things. They're both emblematic of placing too much value into RVS and too much effort into trying to conform to it.
Yes and no. I think that the RVS vote is the least alignment-telling part of Cantripmancer's post - I've seen players of both alignments do what Cantripmancer's done after missing RVS.
People need to stop running Hooker up so quickly; at minimum, everyone needs to check in, and we still need to hear from Hans and Tammy, I believe. It's not like we're in a rush here. If we test HP and she's telling the truth, whatever discussion that's occurred will still contribute to the lynch.
Can you explain what there is to gain from this?
Yeah, if HP's not telling the truth and we go to Night, we'll still have some discussion rather than a brainless stream of "let's test the IC claim" statements.
It does seem like Hooker wasted some potential here, but it's also highly likely that she's town. Scum don't gambit with such an easily tested claim...it's 98% likely that it'll be tested. That said, it's probably the right play to test it toDay, regardless.
I'm not sure why you're hedging here.
The very thing that makes it highly likely that she's town is the same thing that forces us to test the claim. If we don't test the claim, then we're running the risk that she's gambiting that we will accept her as town without testing it.
@Wildfire: I pretty much always RVS. I wasn't calling BV out on the RVS; I was calling him out on expressing his sadness for missing it. There's a difference there.
That said, in addition to the quoted portions, I also dislike that Cantripmancer apologized for not seeing the game start when the game's been going for < 36 hours and #92 also feels manufactured for me.
Meh, I didn't even see that it was only 36 hours; I saw that it was 85+posts in. Felt like I was coming in late to the game.
Yeah, if HP's not telling the truth and we go to Night, we'll still have some discussion rather than a brainless stream of "let's test the IC claim" statements.
Assume HP is gambiting scum. We "test" the claim and lynch her. What have we lost? Town PRs maybe have a slightly harder time picking out people to protect/shoot/cop/track/whatever, but the scum also have a harder time picking out PRs to NK. We go into tomorrow likely -1 scum -1 VT, which is overall a good situation.
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The very thing that makes it highly likely that she's town is the same thing that forces us to test the claim. If we don't test the claim, then we're running the risk that she's gambiting that we will accept her as town without testing it.
Going to leave this for Cythare to dissect, since it was his question, but it's astounding how much you're missing the point here.
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People need to stop running Hooker up so quickly; at minimum, everyone needs to check in, and we still need to hear from Hans and Tammy, I believe. It's not like we're in a rush here. If we test HP and she's telling the truth, whatever discussion that's occurred will still contribute to the lynch.
Can you explain what there is to gain from this?
Yeah, if HP's not telling the truth and we go to Night, we'll still have some discussion rather than a brainless stream of "let's test the IC claim" statements.
But that discussion's already been poisoned by the reveal itself, no?
It does seem like Hooker wasted some potential here, but it's also highly likely that she's town. Scum don't gambit with such an easily tested claim...it's 98% likely that it'll be tested. That said, it's probably the right play to test it toDay, regardless.
I'm not sure why you're hedging here.
The very thing that makes it highly likely that she's town is the same thing that forces us to test the claim. If we don't test the claim, then we're running the risk that she's gambiting that we will accept her as town without testing it.
I understand this. I just don't understand the language you used.
Like, several other players have already indicated that we should test HP's claim. You use language like "highly likely", "98% likely", and "probably the right play". This looks to me like an attempt to cast doubt on something that others have already expressed interest in doing.
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I think most of the people ave posted so far. as other have said, there is no point in not testing HP's claim. I said I wanted to see more posters before I voted for the test lynch of HP. This is what is taking the center of discussion and after HP's claim is tested, we will be able to move on.
I think most of the people ave posted so far. as other have said, there is no point in not testing HP's claim. I said I wanted to see more posters before I voted for the test lynch of HP. This is what is taking the center of discussion and after HP's claim is tested, we will be able to move on.
All right stop...collaborate and listen...no really stop. How many of you jumping on the Hooker Punch train actually think she's gambitting and will flip scum? And how come, even though she posted concerns that there could be a drawback for town to do this, not one person has stopped to consider that? I mean I don't know the mod or what he would do, but still I think that it's enough for some pause to be given, not for the train to speed up. I'm going to wager that her role is just like she said it is. Jester, duh. No but seriously, now I don't have to worry about reading Nati and we can move forward to the part where she keeps me from derailing a scum lynch day one.
Anyway, I'm not against testing the claim I GUESS if only to keep this from being the only thing people talk about, but I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of actual thought about it and potential drawbacks.
Several big frownie faces go to those who didn't question the miller claim but immediately jumped to oh gosh gambit on the IC claim. I mean seriously, what's more likely to be a scum gambit? A miller claim or a triggered by lynch IC? I mean come on people. My frownie face has somewhat lessened to Sir Karn after his post where he talked about how he was willing to read Arian based on behavior as he was one of the people causing my forehead to crinkle over the gambit thing.
I agree that Arian is probably town and I'm surprised that noone pointed out why he's probably town due to his claim. And no wheat-grinder or wildfire, whichever of you said that scum don't think to claim miller, yes they do they very much do. But the fact that he claimed to not have a name makes him more likely town. As scum, his miller claim would be a lie (unless a scum miller but those are very rare) which would mean that he would want to make sure his lie was as believable as possible and the lack of a name I think would be something that would be pretty glaring. He knows that he'd be asked for that information, so he'd want to be prepared. The only even slightly rabbit hole-ish thing here is if he's scum with the person who asked for his name, but I think that's really unlikely and am only noting it here if either of them do flip scum.
I'm pretty meh on Bur? who kept asking for people to explain their town read on him, but that could just be my personal allergy to people who want every little thing explained right away and really I think that early game questions are pretty much fine to get interactions going, so yeah I don't know where I'm going here.
I'm not a big fan of Killjoy's? reaction to Nati's claim, particularly the you could have baited a lynch thing and then analyzed the wagon. Like, I'm not sure I think it's scummy right now or if it's just hit another big pet peeve of mine. It sounds like he's saying that Nati should have behaved scummy to get a lynch on her so that they could analyze who actually thought her scummy behavior tricked scum? I hate hate hate when people think that. People who "reaction test" by acting scummy to see what scum they can catch net town who don't know they're behaving scummy on purpose more than scum, so it's silly, and very very few people know how to bait and then analyze the reactions. So, yeah I don't get that.
I have some more thoughts on people, but I need to go back and read through the thread again because I've lost most of your names. I have some work to do, so that will have to wait until later.
Oh yeah, I didn't like at all Cythare's first post, but then liked her responses to Cantripmancer and his apology for not getting here earlier.
Anyway, I would vote Nati but that would be the hammer and I really would rather her come in and talk today just in case something does go awry. Nati - did you say that you'd live through the lynch, the votes would be reset, and day would continue? What potential drawbacks do you think there could be?
All right stop...collaborate and listen...no really stop. How many of you jumping on the Hooker Punch train actually think she's gambitting and will flip scum? And how come, even though she posted concerns that there could be a drawback for town to do this, not one person has stopped to consider that?
It's an unreasonable concern. The point of the role as claimed is obvious: it saves you from a mislynch. It doesn't need to have a special drawback - and if it had a special drawback, she would know and be able to tell us. I don't buy the idea that there's a role with a clear activation condition and secret EEEVIL by the mod. Claiming it this early has already neutered the role, so we might as well salvage it by getting the info out there as soon as possible.
Scum thrive on uncertainty. Priority two for town, right after "lynch confirmed scum", is adding certainty to the game. There is absolutely no reason to wait when we know for sure that lynching HP will increase the amount of mod-confirmed information, cannot cost us a town death, and has a small chance of getting a scum death.
I think most of the people ave posted so far. as other have said, there is no point in not testing HP's claim. I said I wanted to see more posters before I voted for the test lynch of HP. This is what is taking the center of discussion and after HP's claim is tested, we will be able to move on.
I say lynch HP and see what happens. Vote HP.
... what made you change your mind? Earlier you seemed to have no hurry to check HP's claim and now you suddenly want to get over with this...
It does seem like Hooker wasted some potential here, but it's also highly likely that she's town. Scum don't gambit with such an easily tested claim...it's 98% likely that it'll be tested. That said, it's probably the right play to test it toDay, regardless.
Oh. Now we got to the point where you are making stuff up? Throwing up made-up numbers and percentages are a good way to make it sound you are putting thought into the game when you aren't.
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On a more serious note, though, the Borg immunity makes the IC claim way more likely (at least over a jester). A jester with cult immunity just makes no sense to me.
I think most of the people ave posted so far. as other have said, there is no point in not testing HP's claim. I said I wanted to see more posters before I voted for the test lynch of HP. This is what is taking the center of discussion and after HP's claim is tested, we will be able to move on.
All right stop...collaborate and listen...no really stop. How many of you jumping on the Hooker Punch train actually think she's gambitting and will flip scum? And how come, even though she posted concerns that there could be a drawback for town to do this, not one person has stopped to consider that? I mean I don't know the mod or what he would do, but still I think that it's enough for some pause to be given, not for the train to speed up. I'm going to wager that her role is just like she said it is. Jester, duh. No but seriously, now I don't have to worry about reading Nati and we can move forward to the part where she keeps me from derailing a scum lynch day one.
Anyway, I'm not against testing the claim I GUESS if only to keep this from being the only thing people talk about, but I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of actual thought about it and potential drawbacks.
Several big frownie faces go to those who didn't question the miller claim but immediately jumped to oh gosh gambit on the IC claim. I mean seriously, what's more likely to be a scum gambit? A miller claim or a triggered by lynch IC? I mean come on people. My frownie face has somewhat lessened to Sir Karn after his post where he talked about how he was willing to read Arian based on behavior as he was one of the people causing my forehead to crinkle over the gambit thing.
I agree that Arian is probably town and I'm surprised that noone pointed out why he's probably town due to his claim. And no wheat-grinder or wildfire, whichever of you said that scum don't think to claim miller, yes they do they very much do. But the fact that he claimed to not have a name makes him more likely town. As scum, his miller claim would be a lie (unless a scum miller but those are very rare) which would mean that he would want to make sure his lie was as believable as possible and the lack of a name I think would be something that would be pretty glaring. He knows that he'd be asked for that information, so he'd want to be prepared. The only even slightly rabbit hole-ish thing here is if he's scum with the person who asked for his name, but I think that's really unlikely and am only noting it here if either of them do flip scum.
I'm pretty meh on Bur? who kept asking for people to explain their town read on him, but that could just be my personal allergy to people who want every little thing explained right away and really I think that early game questions are pretty much fine to get interactions going, so yeah I don't know where I'm going here.
I'm not a big fan of Killjoy's? reaction to Nati's claim, particularly the you could have baited a lynch thing and then analyzed the wagon. Like, I'm not sure I think it's scummy right now or if it's just hit another big pet peeve of mine. It sounds like he's saying that Nati should have behaved scummy to get a lynch on her so that they could analyze who actually thought her scummy behavior tricked scum? I hate hate hate when people think that. People who "reaction test" by acting scummy to see what scum they can catch net town who don't know they're behaving scummy on purpose more than scum, so it's silly, and very very few people know how to bait and then analyze the reactions. So, yeah I don't get that.
I have some more thoughts on people, but I need to go back and read through the thread again because I've lost most of your names. I have some work to do, so that will have to wait until later.
Oh yeah, I didn't like at all Cythare's first post, but then liked her responses to Cantripmancer and his apology for not getting here earlier.
Anyway, I would vote Nati but that would be the hammer and I really would rather her come in and talk today just in case something does go awry. Nati - did you say that you'd live through the lynch, the votes would be reset, and day would continue? What potential drawbacks do you think there could be?
Also there's not going to be a jester even in a Rax game. That's a rule on this site, iirc: if there's a jester, it has to be stated that there is a jester before the game starts.
(And then no one plays that game since we all hate jesters)
All right stop...collaborate and listen...no really stop. How many of you jumping on the Hooker Punch train actually think she's gambitting and will flip scum? And how come, even though she posted concerns that there could be a drawback for town to do this, not one person has stopped to consider that?
It's an unreasonable concern. The point of the role as claimed is obvious: it saves you from a mislynch. It doesn't need to have a special drawback - and if it had a special drawback, she would know and be able to tell us. I don't buy the idea that there's a role with a clear activation condition and secret EEEVIL by the mod. Claiming it this early has already neutered the role, so we might as well salvage it by getting the info out there as soon as possible.
Scum thrive on uncertainty. Priority two for town, right after "lynch confirmed scum", is adding certainty to the game. There is absolutely no reason to wait when we know for sure that lynching HP will increase the amount of mod-confirmed information, cannot cost us a town death, and has a small chance of getting a scum death.
Thank you for the mafia theory. If it was so clear cut that there would be no drawbacks then why did she bring up the possibility for a downside. I wouldn't even be hesitating right now if she didn't bring it up herself.
I mean the role itself does seem silly. Why have being lynched be the trigger, I just don't see the purpose unless it's just to amuse the mod himself? I don't know anything about Star Trek, is there flavor reasoning for that trigger?
I mean I wouldn't imagine of there is a drawback that it would be cataclysmic, I don't think she's been lied to about her alignment. It's just that I'm surprised no one stopped to consider it after she mentioned it. Except I think I stand corrected and that's what black vise was referring to.
My thoughts about Tammy's #126:
While the whole "Let's not kill HP yet, there are probably some consequences" sounds like bit like a attempt to save his partner-in-crime's (which is quite funny, since I doubt HP is mafia) failed gambit AND really stupid, I still want to hear more and not make up my opinions regarding Tammy from just a single post.
However, I agree his points regarding Arian (claiming not having a name, instant miller-claim) and why Arian is town.
I really disagree with Tammy's disagreement with Killjoy and Tammy's statement that HP shouldn't have even tried to bait mafia with her role (assuming she's not lying). If there were a chance to get us data, we should get that data. It wouldn't hurt us at all to have more data to analyse.
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All right stop...collaborate and listen...no really stop. How many of you jumping on the Hooker Punch train actually think she's gambitting and will flip scum? And how come, even though she posted concerns that there could be a drawback for town to do this, not one person has stopped to consider that?
It's an unreasonable concern. The point of the role as claimed is obvious: it saves you from a mislynch. It doesn't need to have a special drawback - and if it had a special drawback, she would know and be able to tell us. I don't buy the idea that there's a role with a clear activation condition and secret EEEVIL by the mod. Claiming it this early has already neutered the role, so we might as well salvage it by getting the info out there as soon as possible.
Scum thrive on uncertainty. Priority two for town, right after "lynch confirmed scum", is adding certainty to the game. There is absolutely no reason to wait when we know for sure that lynching HP will increase the amount of mod-confirmed information, cannot cost us a town death, and has a small chance of getting a scum death.
Thank you for the mafia theory. If it was so clear cut that there would be no drawbacks then why did she bring up the possibility for a downside.
Because she's being paranoid? Town can be wrong too, even about stuff that pertains to themselves.
I mean the role itself does seem silly. Why have being lynched be the trigger, I just don't see the purpose unless it's just to amuse the mod himself? I don't know anything about Star Trek, is there flavor reasoning for that trigger?
Actually it seems quite common in this kind of game. The card game I play (Ultimate Werewolf) has a role that does exactly this - if you would be lynched, instead reveal your role (proving you're town).
It depends on what they mean by bait mafia, and really this just comes down to different peoples opinions on how to use roles. For instance, some people believe a pgo should claim immediately while others think you should play to bait the night kill.
Some people would handle it differently based on their approach to the game, but I know nati and her thoughts on claiming so this fits how I would expect her to handle the role.
The type of baiting I'm referring to is the inane type of reaction testing where people intentionally behave scummy thinking they can trap mafia that way while town will recognize the act except it more often nets town. I hat the act scummy on purpose as town play because almost no one knows how to do it correctly. It's a pet peeve of mine and it felt like that's what he was suggesting.
I think most of the people ave posted so far. as other have said, there is no point in not testing HP's claim. I said I wanted to see more posters before I voted for the test lynch of HP. This is what is taking the center of discussion and after HP's claim is tested, we will be able to move on.
I say lynch HP and see what happens. Vote HP.
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Yeah, if HP's not telling the truth and we go to Night, we'll still have some discussion rather than a brainless stream of "let's test the IC claim" statements.
Assume HP is gambiting scum. We "test" the claim and lynch her. What have we lost? Town PRs maybe have a slightly harder time picking out people to protect/shoot/cop/track/whatever, but the scum also have a harder time picking out PRs to NK. We go into tomorrow likely -1 scum -1 VT, which is overall a good situation.
Why do you assume that HP is gambiting scum? Given that we don't know HP's motivation, why would we curtail D1 discussion, essentially starting the game on N1 with a brief prologue? Even the discussion we're having proves that there's value in more discussion before testing HP's claim.
Yeah, if HP's not telling the truth and we go to Night, we'll still have some discussion rather than a brainless stream of "let's test the IC claim" statements.
But that discussion's already been poisoned by the reveal itself, no?[/quote]Discussion on that topic, maybe, but discussion in general, no.
Like, several other players have already indicated that we should test HP's claim. You use language like "highly likely", "98% likely", and "probably the right play". This looks to me like an attempt to cast doubt on something that others have already expressed interest in doing.
Um...no. I'm talking the situation out, which includes acknowledging that HP is likely town, and that the right play in these circumstances is still to test the claim. The part I object to is the speed with with it was progressing.
There is absolutely no reason to wait when we know for sure that lynching HP will increase the amount of mod-confirmed information, cannot cost us a town death, and has a small chance of getting a scum death.
I guess you're right. :/ It just felt like there was a huge rush, which I've never seen as beneficial.
It does seem like Hooker wasted some potential here, but it's also highly likely that she's town. Scum don't gambit with such an easily tested claim...it's 98% likely that it'll be tested. That said, it's probably the right play to test it toDay, regardless.
Oh. Now we got to the point where you are making stuff up? Throwing up made-up numbers and percentages are a good way to make it sound you are putting thought into the game when you aren't.
... Seriously? Yes, I totally "made up" a percentage...as opposed to using a percentage to convey my point, which was that it's really really likely.
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What sounds scummy is why you want to push back the HP lynch, Cantrip.
@Lngrrrr: If there's a downside to becoming innocent child, it's definitely not that she loses immunity. The whole reason she probably has borg immunity is that the cult converting a mod-confirmed town is broken.
Yeah, if HP's not telling the truth and we go to Night, we'll still have some discussion rather than a brainless stream of "let's test the IC claim" statements.
Assume HP is gambiting scum. We "test" the claim and lynch her. What have we lost? Town PRs maybe have a slightly harder time picking out people to protect/shoot/cop/track/whatever, but the scum also have a harder time picking out PRs to NK. We go into tomorrow likely -1 scum -1 VT, which is overall a good situation.
Why do you assume that HP is gambiting scum? Given that we don't know HP's motivation, why would we curtail D1 discussion, essentially starting the game on N1 with a brief prologue? Even the discussion we're having proves that there's value in more discussion before testing HP's claim.
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That said, in addition to the quoted portions, I also dislike that Cantripmancer apologized for not seeing the game start when the game's been going for < 36 hours and #92 also feels manufactured for me.
Cantripmancer's in my scum pile along with BlackVise, Bur, and Rai.
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I've seen a couple of people talk about Bur and Rai, but I don't see it. What did they do?
To me, these are very similar things. They're both emblematic of placing too much value into RVS and too much effort into trying to conform to it.
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Asking others for their reasons on Arian being town and then providing a fencesitty answer when asked what he thought about Arian.
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This post. It comes across to me as a forced attempt to call himself town by saying "The only people who want a quick lynching at this point would be the scum." and then not voting.
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The very thing that makes it highly likely that she's town is the same thing that forces us to test the claim. If we don't test the claim, then we're running the risk that she's gambiting that we will accept her as town without testing it.
@Wildfire: I pretty much always RVS. I wasn't calling BV out on the RVS; I was calling him out on expressing his sadness for missing it. There's a difference there.
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Assume HP is gambiting scum. We "test" the claim and lynch her. What have we lost? Town PRs maybe have a slightly harder time picking out people to protect/shoot/cop/track/whatever, but the scum also have a harder time picking out PRs to NK. We go into tomorrow likely -1 scum -1 VT, which is overall a good situation.
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Going to leave this for Cythare to dissect, since it was his question, but it's astounding how much you're missing the point here.
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I understand this. I just don't understand the language you used.
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I sort of see where Cantrip is coming from but he sounds so scummy when he says it. So, pretty standard Cantripmancer.
I like my vote on Rai, still.
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I say lynch HP and see what happens.
Vote HP.
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Anyway, I'm not against testing the claim I GUESS if only to keep this from being the only thing people talk about, but I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of actual thought about it and potential drawbacks.
Several big frownie faces go to those who didn't question the miller claim but immediately jumped to oh gosh gambit on the IC claim. I mean seriously, what's more likely to be a scum gambit? A miller claim or a triggered by lynch IC? I mean come on people. My frownie face has somewhat lessened to Sir Karn after his post where he talked about how he was willing to read Arian based on behavior as he was one of the people causing my forehead to crinkle over the gambit thing.
I agree that Arian is probably town and I'm surprised that noone pointed out why he's probably town due to his claim. And no wheat-grinder or wildfire, whichever of you said that scum don't think to claim miller, yes they do they very much do. But the fact that he claimed to not have a name makes him more likely town. As scum, his miller claim would be a lie (unless a scum miller but those are very rare) which would mean that he would want to make sure his lie was as believable as possible and the lack of a name I think would be something that would be pretty glaring. He knows that he'd be asked for that information, so he'd want to be prepared. The only even slightly rabbit hole-ish thing here is if he's scum with the person who asked for his name, but I think that's really unlikely and am only noting it here if either of them do flip scum.
I'm pretty meh on Bur? who kept asking for people to explain their town read on him, but that could just be my personal allergy to people who want every little thing explained right away and really I think that early game questions are pretty much fine to get interactions going, so yeah I don't know where I'm going here.
I'm not a big fan of Killjoy's? reaction to Nati's claim, particularly the you could have baited a lynch thing and then analyzed the wagon. Like, I'm not sure I think it's scummy right now or if it's just hit another big pet peeve of mine. It sounds like he's saying that Nati should have behaved scummy to get a lynch on her so that they could analyze who actually thought her scummy behavior tricked scum? I hate hate hate when people think that. People who "reaction test" by acting scummy to see what scum they can catch net town who don't know they're behaving scummy on purpose more than scum, so it's silly, and very very few people know how to bait and then analyze the reactions. So, yeah I don't get that.
I have some more thoughts on people, but I need to go back and read through the thread again because I've lost most of your names. I have some work to do, so that will have to wait until later.
Oh yeah, I didn't like at all Cythare's first post, but then liked her responses to Cantripmancer and his apology for not getting here earlier.
Anyway, I would vote Nati but that would be the hammer and I really would rather her come in and talk today just in case something does go awry. Nati - did you say that you'd live through the lynch, the votes would be reset, and day would continue? What potential drawbacks do you think there could be?
Scum thrive on uncertainty. Priority two for town, right after "lynch confirmed scum", is adding certainty to the game. There is absolutely no reason to wait when we know for sure that lynching HP will increase the amount of mod-confirmed information, cannot cost us a town death, and has a small chance of getting a scum death.
... what made you change your mind? Earlier you seemed to have no hurry to check HP's claim and now you suddenly want to get over with this...
Oh. Now we got to the point where you are making stuff up? Throwing up made-up numbers and percentages are a good way to make it sound you are putting thought into the game when you aren't.
Also, if Jean-Lux Picard is a jester, he deserves to win.
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LYNCH IT
LYNCH THIS ONE AFTER
(And then no one plays that game since we all hate jesters)
I was joking.
Mafia SRZ BZNZ
Thank you for the mafia theory. If it was so clear cut that there would be no drawbacks then why did she bring up the possibility for a downside. I wouldn't even be hesitating right now if she didn't bring it up herself.
I mean the role itself does seem silly. Why have being lynched be the trigger, I just don't see the purpose unless it's just to amuse the mod himself? I don't know anything about Star Trek, is there flavor reasoning for that trigger?
I mean I wouldn't imagine of there is a drawback that it would be cataclysmic, I don't think she's been lied to about her alignment. It's just that I'm surprised no one stopped to consider it after she mentioned it. Except I think I stand corrected and that's what black vise was referring to.
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I was referring to the jester joke. I don't think she's a jester as she wouldn't have brought it up if she were, even jokingly.
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@Blackvise, what about it being a veiled claim means that I am scum? I'd like to see your thought process on that vote.
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While the whole "Let's not kill HP yet, there are probably some consequences" sounds like bit like a attempt to save his partner-in-crime's (which is quite funny, since I doubt HP is mafia) failed gambit AND really stupid, I still want to hear more and not make up my opinions regarding Tammy from just a single post.
However, I agree his points regarding Arian (claiming not having a name, instant miller-claim) and why Arian is town.
I really disagree with Tammy's disagreement with Killjoy and Tammy's statement that HP shouldn't have even tried to bait mafia with her role (assuming she's not lying). If there were a chance to get us data, we should get that data. It wouldn't hurt us at all to have more data to analyse.
IGMEOY, Tammy.
Some people would handle it differently based on their approach to the game, but I know nati and her thoughts on claiming so this fits how I would expect her to handle the role.
The type of baiting I'm referring to is the inane type of reaction testing where people intentionally behave scummy thinking they can trap mafia that way while town will recognize the act except it more often nets town. I hat the act scummy on purpose as town play because almost no one knows how to do it correctly. It's a pet peeve of mine and it felt like that's what he was suggesting.
I feel like me, Wheat, and Cythare are all the same person
Either way, we're all gonna burn
But that discussion's already been poisoned by the reveal itself, no?[/quote]Discussion on that topic, maybe, but discussion in general, no.
Um...no. I'm talking the situation out, which includes acknowledging that HP is likely town, and that the right play in these circumstances is still to test the claim. The part I object to is the speed with with it was progressing.
Well that wasn't generic or anything. What sounds scummy to you? Be specific.
I guess you're right. :/ It just felt like there was a huge rush, which I've never seen as beneficial.
... Seriously? Yes, I totally "made up" a percentage...as opposed to using a percentage to convey my point, which was that it's really really likely.
@BV: Thanks for that list. I wanted to make sure that you'd played a fair number of games, with at least some complexity. If not, your comments might just be ingenuous. Why did you respond to other people (and even my question), but didn't address my assertions?
@Lngrrrr: If there's a downside to becoming innocent child, it's definitely not that she loses immunity. The whole reason she probably has borg immunity is that the cult converting a mod-confirmed town is broken.
I hate that face so much.
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He eventually hops on Wheat's lap and curls up there.*