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Quote from Bur »

Well, I've been reading (note: just reading, not making deep analysis and re-reading and ISOing) this game since D3 for fun.

Even so, I can't wonder how you managed to stay alive, when it was you who were steering this game almost all of the game, and especially after Fulcrum flipped town, no one seemed to bat an eyelid.

But whatever. Keep up screaming "I SHOULD HAVE WON. I WAS BETTER THAN YOU ALL. I SHOULD HAVE WON!!!" Cyan. I know I did the right choice, especially after you result to childish arguments like "KJ thinks I should have won, therefore I should have won."

Yeah way to admit your mistake. Did you even read the spectator chat? Literally everyone thought that you should have voted for Generic. Even the mod. And if you don't realize why it is meaningful that the guy that correctly voted me all game but was unsuccessful in getting me lynched..still thought I should win..then I don't think there is much else to say here. For the sake of everyone that plays with you, I can only hope that you realize that you messed up here and learn from it and try to avoid it in the future. Because some similar situation will come up again. Plus, I acknowledged the fact that I messed up in various ways.

Cyan: what was your thought process in no lynching the last Day?
I thought you were digging your own grave there and couldn't understand it. I figured that pushing a Generic lynch through and then a Bur lynch was your only chance.
(tbh I understand even less why Generic never NK'ed you)

I pushed for that because it is what I would do as town, without question. And I knew that I wouldn't be able to win that day anyway, because I knew my poison was going to miss(because I targeted LNG). Plus I wasn't sure that some random replacement that I had no info on would go along with lynching Generic. And based on what happened today, it looks like I made the right call there..because if Bur wasn't willing to lynch Generic after his complete meltdown today, I don't think he ever would have been willing to do so.

And Generic never NKed me because he just refused to believe that I was telling the truth about my redirect ability having a drawback. Once I survived the first night after claiming that, I was never worried about getting NKed at all. Also, I'm not sure that Generic could afford to NK me, because he knew I would flip non-mafia. And it's just not believable that the town had a Doc, Ascetic, and full Bulletproof. It would also lend weight to my suspicion against him if I died and flipped non-mafia.

If I were him I probably would have gambled and tried to NK me on the night that he killed LNG, but oh well.

The thing is, Cyan, with a mod kill it would guarantee town was out of the game. At 2-1-1 though, if they lynched Generic instead of no-lynching that Day they could have won.

I don't possibly see how everyone acknowledged it was 2-1-1 but still thought it could possibly be beneficial to town to no-lynch.

Quote from Sir Karn »

The thing is, Cyan, with a mod kill it would guarantee town was out of the game. At 2-1-1 though, if they lynched Generic instead of no-lynching that Day they could have won.

I don't possibly see how everyone acknowledged it was 2-1-1 but still thought it could possibly be beneficial to town to no-lynch.

Because they couldn't know that the poison was going to fail. Bur detailed all the scenarios multiple times.

If they lynched Generic and the poison hit either of the two townies, they still lost. If they lynched a townie they lost. If they lynched the SK and the poison hit a townie they still lost.

With a no-lynch, if the poison hit scum they still had a chance to win. Or if the poison missed, scum NKing the SK still gave them a chance to win.

@Bur/Cyan: Come off it, you two. I agree that Generic had worse arguments, but either way it was kingmaker and Cyan living until endgame is his major scumtell.

I think that criticizing Bur for taking the hard place when he should have chosen the rock is silly. But I think Bur defending his choice of hard place so heavily is also silly.

Wait, we won? I don't feel like I should've won this game.

To be clear, I'm not faulting Bur for Generic winning. That is unfortunate but..whatever. I've lost plenty of mafia games, no huge deal there. This particular situation is also unlikely to come up again in the future. I'm faulting the way he went about this. If he says that he will put more effort into a similar situation where the town has more going for it in the future, then fine. If he says that the next time he replaces in he will actually read the game thread, then fine. That's all.

@Karn: It seems worse to me that you used in-game information to make what should have been a completely objective decision, honestly. But I'm over it now really. It was probably a tough situation for you to be in that didn't have a clear cut 'right choice'. As a minor nitpick, in future games, you should either give everyone ability flavor all of the time, or, give no one ability flavor none of the time.

Quote from Cyan »

This particular situation is also unlikely to come up again in the future.

It came up in Majora's Mask Mafia, but then again, that was Majora's Mask Mafia.

Quote from Cyan »

@DC: I don't remember you being THAT suspicious of me. I wouldn't have NKEd you there if I were mafia, incidentally. I think that basically every NK choice that the mafia made was bad, except for possibly LNG, which barely mattered. They got lucky when killing you, but they were clearly doing so to create WIFOM(just like every decision the mafia made this game), not for any strategic reason that was actually viable.

I'll probably be sour about this game for awhile, because I feel like 100% of the reason that the mafia won was because the same town spot had to be replaced 4 times.

And I actually don't like being insulting, and with most players I don't exhibit that. I just expect a certain baseline of common sense from people, and I get annoyed quickly when people don't live up to this. Especially when they are erronously attacking someone because of it. Double that for when they're attacking me.

Iso DCIII and search by "Cyan"


I didn't think I'd be the NK, either, which I thought was favorable heading into the Night... but so it goes.

I did two things I really regretted in this game - firstly was the way I handled the Neighborhood and I should have let that play out more. Wheat's indifference I confused with scumminess and I pulled the trigger too fast/got distracted at that time.

There was also post I made against you that I was convinced about, but that I really didn't need to make and that I should have realized probably wouldn't have been as convincing to others. I had enough to keep pushing hard based on my opinions on your early play. It was death by too much information. Rather than just sticking to my strongest feeling/reason, I kept presenting new information, most of which was subjective, which opened too many doors for you to pick at some of it without having to bother picking apart the whole thing.

Suffice it to say that I disagree with your assessment of common sense this game and I think you often present common sense in such a way that serves your motives in any given game (and you're good at doing that), but you do so in such an indignant way that will cow a lot of players, which is also to your advantage.

I need a "listen to me!!" ability or something where I can just make people vote for who I want them to. Of course, it wouldn't have helped this game because if we'd have lynched the people I wanted to Day 2, I'm pretty sure that Sir Chris would have brought home the win anyway.

Worst. Game. Ever. (For me, that is.)

Snapvoting Generic every game from here on in. I caught him on Day 3 but didnt trust my read enough after being wrong on the first two Days.

Worst. Game. Ever. (For me, that is.)

Snapvoting Generic every game from here on in. I caught him on Day 3 but didnt trust my read enough after being wrong on the first two Days.