@dC - all of my other games are in my sig with links. I also explained the reasons behind my recent changes of opinion on AI. I thought he seemed genuinely skeptical of Iso and was pushing back, but then he looked worse again when he said he wanted to ignore him (because if he was really skeptical of Iso then I doubt he'd want to be left alone) and Rhand's point about his comment on remembering that Killjoy was scum I thought was good. Most recently, I disagree with Wildfire as I'm not sold on his recent defeatism, as I doubt he thinks it's likely that anyone other than KJ is the lynch today.
@Seppel - I don't know about Rez. He opened the day like he did in Xymande where he was town and I thought that his tone shortly after that seemed town. I agree with Cythare that his response to Meg seemed prickly considering he's posted next to no content and there was nothing grating about Meg's post to spur it. I have him lumped in with EtR as needing to see more from them.
@Iso - you can say I don't understand mafia dynamics - but what strategy do you think I'm saying you were pursuing? I can think of a few reasons that you might have decided not to move to AI in that situation and I'm not sure which it would be, so there isn't just one strategy that we're discussing here. Many of those reasons involve knowing what's going on, though, as I think a more common play for town in a situation where you think that two people are both scum is to endorse the wagon that has momentum.
I agree with Rhand that something about your questioning seems off - like, you were undermining my approach with Meg to Sir Chris, (where did he go, btw?), and when I started questioning you about it, you asked why I was getting involved when you weren't addressing me... well, because it was about me and I was wary of your approach. Then just recently you said you forgot what we were even arguing about but what we were arguing about was my questioning you on your comments that seemed to indicate strong suspicion of me - so it's odd that you then chose to diffuse the interaction considering that you seemed pretty suspicious of me.
Most recently, I disagree with Wildfire as I'm not sold on his recent defeatism, as I doubt he thinks it's likely that anyone other than KJ is the lynch today.
I disagree. In the same post where he says "let's lynch Killjoy", he also advocates vigging him so that we can move on. There is the chance that he knows something we don't, or that he doesn't actually expect to be vigged, but
Due to that, if it's between AI and Killjoy being lynched and the other vigged, I'd be more inclined to lynch AI and vig Killjoy than the other way around, on the offchance that it's relevant and the paranoia that one of the two main wagons proposed the lynch/vig configuration.
Note that I'll be leaving for Worcester directly after work tomorrow, and will be gone until I return to work on Monday. I typically don't post on weekends anyway, but just be aware that I'll be completely out of contact for those days.
Me too! Maybe we will be paired against each other.
Iso: I have the feeling that our questioning of me lacks depth.
Are you just happy with my answers or is there another reason you are not following up when I answered you?
I did not feel the need to follow up - your answers were sufficient, and you seemed very confused about who you were actually addressing what to, which means either YOU'RE distracted, or you're just not putting forth the effort I want from you.
@Iso - you can say I don't understand mafia dynamics - but what strategy do you think I'm saying you were pursuing? I can think of a few reasons that you might have decided not to move to AI in that situation and I'm not sure which it would be, so there isn't just one strategy that we're discussing here. Many of those reasons involve knowing what's going on, though, as I think a more common play for town in a situation where you think that two people are both scum is to endorse the wagon that has momentum.
I agree with Rhand that something about your questioning seems off - like, you were undermining my approach with Meg to Sir Chris, (where did he go, btw?), and when I started questioning you about it, you asked why I was getting involved when you weren't addressing me... well, because it was about me and I was wary of your approach. Then just recently you said you forgot what we were even arguing about but what we were arguing about was my questioning you on your comments that seemed to indicate strong suspicion of me - so it's odd that you then chose to diffuse the interaction considering that you seemed pretty suspicious of me.
The wagon with no momentum was clearly the better strategy, here, as I had enough of an argument to push Killjoy to a reasonable range within lynching. Enough people would want to vote AI with or without me that it didn't matter if I endorsed the AI wagon or not - why are you arguing this with me? The proof is in the pudding.
I am suspicious of you but I don't care enough about whatever asinine question you were asking to keep asking you about it, because there's no point in spreading myself across 4 different people toDay - especially since the last time in this game I made a case against a player that wasn't Killjoy or AI, the person who asked me about it basically couldn't be arsed to read anything I said. So, basically, you're wasting my time right now.
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Something is bothering me about this Killjoy wagon. I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
Like 12-15 different players in this game (including about 75% of the people on KJ right now) have expressed confident scumreads in AI at various times, but a bunch of them never voted actually for him. Add to this the fact that I'm scumreading Cythare, and that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
On another note, 1097 is the second time dC has popped his head in while a major wagon was forming and focused on a player no one was talking about.
Iso: I have the feeling that our questioning of me lacks depth.
Are you just happy with my answers or is there another reason you are not following up when I answered you?
I did not feel the need to follow up - your answers were sufficient, and you seemed very confused about who you were actually addressing what to, which means either YOU'RE distracted, or you're just not putting forth the effort I want from you.
So you think my answers are sufficient and you don't need to go deeper, but at the same time you're saying that I don't put in enough effort?
Shouldn't you be pushing me to put in more effort instead of asking me superficial questions then?
Your answer about EtR was well hidden in a wallpost btw. I am willing to bet that apart from Proph who asked you the question, no one knows your view on EtR without a thorough search for it.
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I wanna hear from EtR and Megiddo needs to answer my questions before we end this day.
I will vote AI once I've gotten my answers. Unless y'all follow me on the EtR wagon
Something is bothering me about this Killjoy wagon. I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
Like 12-15 different players in this game (including about 75% of the people on KJ right now) have expressed confident scumreads in AI at various times, but a bunch of them never voted actually for him. Add to this the fact that I'm scumreading Cythare, and that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
On another note, 1097 is the second time dC has popped his head in while a major wagon was forming and focused on a player no one was talking about.
I have stated in no uncertain terms that I think AI is scum and that I don't find killjoy's case as strong.
Something is bothering me about this Killjoy wagon. I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
Like 12-15 different players in this game (including about 75% of the people on KJ right now) have expressed confident scumreads in AI at various times, but a bunch of them never voted actually for him. Add to this the fact that I'm scumreading Cythare, and that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
12-15 seems like a huge exaggeration. And even if that were the case, how the hell does that reflect worse on me than it does on them? Did you even think before you posted this?
I refuse to be lynched by people who can't be bothered to rub two brain cells together to form a spark.
His very first post of the game is something I really should have snapvoted him for, in hindsight. I have no idea how I missed the gem of "you know what guys, losing 8 vitality just doesn't seem to work for me" (that's not an actual quote, I will quote it below now)
IDK about Alway Etteem, but we sure as hell can't stay here. I'm not down with a unilateral loss of 8 Vitality.
Like I know town can say super obvious stuff that has no real merit, but man I hounded a poor guy earlier for stating the obvious in 5 paragraphs but somehow didn't butcher Killjoy for this. It is so much more like scum to make a post and go 'oh god oh god, have to have content, panic panic say something, Iknow VITALITY LOSS OF THAT MAGNITUDE IS UNACCEPTABLE! Yes, good job scum Killjoy, you've shown them all what you can do.
Now in fairness it's an opening post, but to mitigate my own fairness I've caught scum in an opening post before so... yeah that's just really not a good start.
'Good safety net if we aren't confident in a lynch' he says. Geesh kind of tapping out from being confident in finding scum three posts into the game.
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And he suggests the one where dead players can talk, most assuredly one of the more powerful ones in town's favor as the game goes further in. That's not what safety net means at all.
He calls AI a kissass. I know it is just fluff but I don't see scumbuddies usually interact in such a casual way. A small point against those two both being scum, I think. Also the way he said 'consider my proposal a suggestion' just reeks of weakness.
"Why do you consider Hooker's not self-voting scummy, but not Niv's RVS posting, given that he doesn't normally do it?"
This is what I consider to be one of those bad questions. Mostly because it has an easily solvable answer. "I do find him scummy, but I only have one vote." The smart thing to say would have been 'Why are you voting Hookerpunch?" Odd to bring Niv up there. He isn't voting Niv, didn't mention Niv before. Just kind of pulled him into the conversation like a magic trick. I don't get it.
Also unvoting Meg and going "RVS is over" but not having a revote is kind of... just there. I don't know I just really have liked nothing this guy is posting. Like even the unvote is unnatural and weird. Why even bother to unvote, for the purpose of announcing the stage of the game being over, if you aren't ready to pressure someone in return? It's utterly pointless!
(Also Meg you got owned with your prediction that no one was going to vote for AI. Stay out of the psychic business)
Finally I don't think Killjoy has mentioned me once. I don't know if that means anything, but I've posted a fair amount and I haven't been shy.
But anyway Killjoy is an acceptable alternative to Niv if Niv ever decides to play the game in real time because really now.
I stand by this post and killjoy hasn't really defended himself well from the main crux of my problems.
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Something is bothering me about this Killjoy wagon. I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
Like 12-15 different players in this game (including about 75% of the people on KJ right now) have expressed confident scumreads in AI at various times, but a bunch of them never voted actually for him. Add to this the fact that I'm scumreading Cythare, and that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
On another note, 1097 is the second time dC has popped his head in while a major wagon was forming and focused on a player no one was talking about.
Something is bothering me about this Killjoy wagon. I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
Like 12-15 different players in this game (including about 75% of the people on KJ right now) have expressed confident scumreads in AI at various times, but a bunch of them never voted actually for him. Add to this the fact that I'm scumreading Cythare, and that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
On another note, 1097 is the second time dC has popped his head in while a major wagon was forming and focused on a player no one was talking about.
Iso: I have the feeling that our questioning of me lacks depth.
Are you just happy with my answers or is there another reason you are not following up when I answered you?
I did not feel the need to follow up - your answers were sufficient, and you seemed very confused about who you were actually addressing what to, which means either YOU'RE distracted, or you're just not putting forth the effort I want from you.
So you think my answers are sufficient and you don't need to go deeper, but at the same time you're saying that I don't put in enough effort?
Shouldn't you be pushing me to put in more effort instead of asking me superficial questions then?
Even though your content is lacking, your answers to me are fine, and I'm not trying to draw attention away from the Killjoy/AI wagons at this point in time - so, no, I shouldn't.
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Your answer about EtR was well hidden in a wallpost btw. I am willing to bet that apart from Proph who asked you the question, no one knows your view on EtR without a thorough search for it.
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Done with my course, will post some more later, but I am not going to be voting AI. Just look at the interaction he had with me early when I misattributed Arian's mechanics post to AI. AI challenged me on it; if he was scum, I think he would have just let me sit mistaken.
Meanwhile, Killjoy hasn't really pushed any of his reads, mostly floating through the game. He has also been pretty apathetic when it comes to defending his case.
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In my experience, scum tend to tell truths in their lies. They are more likely to say, "Those are good points against me", then try to disarm the points, then just say something like "No, that's BS, you are scum."
Killjoy has seemed content to just show up once in a while, not rock the boat, and then wait for the discussion to shift away from him.
It is true I have never liked posts that go "I can see where you are coming from." I mean it sounds good, but is it really natural to feel that way?
I won't be shocked if AI flips scum, but I've seen this type of stubborn play from town a lot. Killjoy is just...here at times.
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I'm trying as best I can. I'm off Sunday and Monday. I'll have more than one hour on those days to actually catch up with this game.
I'll devote a good chunk of time tomorrow to do just that.
Because,you know...I'll actually have time.
I'm not 'content to just show up sometimes' cuz obviously I joined this game to play it, not avoid it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Even though your content is lacking, your answers to me are fine, and I'm not trying to draw attention away from the Killjoy/AI wagons at this point in time - so, no, I shouldn't.
Iso is scum, (or a scum-like substance), btw. I think the above is bunk - very unlikely anything will derail both of the two wagons ongoing at the moment and there's no reason to not probe other venues he sees as being suspicious. Especially when the reason he gave me earlier for staying on the KJ wagon when the AI wagon was taking off is that he was worried that he might die and wanted to draw attention to KJ. If he had serious concerns that Rhand was off and possibly scum, it runs counter to what he was saying earlier that he'd choose to try to diffuse those discussions rather than illuminate them for others to see in case he died. No way I believe that he thinks he couldn't push Rhand more there or that he wouldn't want to if he really thought he was onto something. It feels like an artificial excuse, just like when he said that he was suspicious of me earlier but that I was distracting him from what was ongoing. The Killjoy and AI wagons are both quite deep - so I don't buy that he'd feel like he had to tend to those and couldn't try to push Rhand if he thought he had something.
Plus the "even though your content is lacking, your answers to me are fine" part is discrediting while diffusing and screams scum language to me.
First off, I think that the polarized behaviors of AI/Killjoy in the face of death is quite noteworthy. On one hand, AI accepts that his death is ultimately inevitable--the vast majority of players in this game will not be satisfied, and the game will not move on, until he is dead. I think that AI's request to be vigged further attests to my belief that he is town because of his willingness to support the greater good, though it means his own death. I feel that scum would not be ok with this, even if the town has clearly made up their mind to kill him/her. On the other hand, this is exactly why I find Killjoy's reaction to the growing mob to be clearly the scummiest of the two. In post #1082, Killjoy hops on the AI wagon, and then proposes the idea for an Iso wagon D2. This reads like scum trying to weasel a way out of being the day's lynch, desperately trying to deflect suspicion onto someone else so that everyone will hopefully forget about him. At this point, Killjoy is distinctly my strongest scum read, so I'll go ahead and vote: Killjoy
@Anyone who supports both the AI and the Killjoy wagon - Will one of the flips influence your read on the other? The way I see it, it doesn't make sense for them to both be on the same scum team. AI is advising that we kill both of them, while Killjoy, when faced with a significant amount of traction on his wagon, would have been throwing AI straight under the bus. If one is drowning, I wouldn't expect him to pull a teammate down too, which is what both seem to be doing, which leads me to believe that AI is town and Killjoy is not.
@Seppel- In post #1067, you ask DCIII for his read on Rezombied, but then in post #1099, you question how someone could have a read on Rezombied, given his lack of posts. So what was the point of asking DCIII for his read?
Speaking of Rezombied, I find it uber scummy that, after 5 days of not posting, he would post within 20 minutes of being called out by Megiddo. I refuse to believe that this was a coincidence.
Something is bothering me about this Killjoy wagon. I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
Like 12-15 different players in this game (including about 75% of the people on KJ right now) have expressed confident scumreads in AI at various times, but a bunch of them never voted actually for him. Add to this the fact that I'm scumreading Cythare, and that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
I'm struggling to make sense of the underlined portion. You imply that Killjoy is town while Cythare and AI are scum buddies, but your statement doesn't make sense to me from Cythare's perspective. In this scenario where there are two clear lynch options on the table, why would Cythare choose to bus a teammate and "want nothing to do with" the alternative mislynch of a townie? How does this then support your conspiracy that there is a massive effort to buy AI time?
There's a possibility that Rhand is scum because [reasons] , but I've currently got him as null until further notice.
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In other news, I've got a light town read on Iso--in Pleasantville, (ignoring the fact that I caught him in a lie) scum Iso was very detached, but also manipulative in trying to push the town. I do not sense anything similar from the Iso that I have seen so far in this game.
I've also got a town read on Sir Chris. I like his analysis of Killjoy, and posts like #817 seem very thoughtful and honest.
I like how DCIII responded to dking's case, and #945 hit me in the feels. The fact that DCIII delved so deeply into his frustration and its roots screams town to me. I don't think that he would have openly shared any of that if it wasn't completely sincere.
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"I'm a compulsive liar no matter what team I play on, but I'm trying to get better about it."
You do realize that I already did a PBPA of Killjoy that included ALL of his posts, right? You didn't just ignore that, right?
Your excuse is lame.
This is a lie.
The only PBPA I remember you doing was the one on Nati.
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Thanks.
@dC, hans, Nati: Can you answer my questions? I have them scattered around the thread somewhere.
dkings/desCoures unaligned pair.
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I reread a bit with regards to AI and killjoy.
I prefer LnG to be the lynch toDay, but I understand that a wagon won't form on him. I want to take a bit more time interacting with killjoy and AI - I've misread both in the past, and I don't want to make the same mistake again.
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Well DC is giving me Townie vibes.
What exactly did DCIII do to give you townie vibes?
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Meg v. Wildfire was funny to read.
Any insight into their alignment?
[quote=killjoy]Wildfire seems like he's being himself.
Again, any insight into Wildfire's alignment? It feels like you're saying things about him but not actually committing to a read.
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From memory (I'm gonna have to come back after work to skim the thread and see if there's any more on me in other places) A lot of the case on me is the obvious thing, which I've already discussed, and Iso with his scumslip theory.
Why are you only looking for mentions of yourself in the game thread? Why aren't you giving reads and scumhunting?
With hans's vote, killjoy is at L-1 right now. I want someone to unvote.
It's been 5 days since my last content post. I was hoping that we wouldn't have so many inactives that I would have to wait that long, but whatever. I'm going to be at a baseball game tomorrow (I know, right?), so I won't be able to post until like... Monday.
Anyway, ETR, hansanator, and rezombied are now dead to me. The rest of you need to do the hard work on those folks as I am not interested in treating them as human beings anymore.
Also after trying to follow somebody else with post numbers I've realized that it's impossible on this site, so I will stop using that method even if it's more work for me. You're welcome.
Gut says that I like this post because he's trying to get the game back on track after a minor diversion. It's a very weak +town though. Like super weak.
Knowing what I know about Iso and AI, they are an unaligned pair (as I expect this hostility from AI and the blissfully ignorant trolling from Iso). Keep an eye on their interactions though. If you get one whiff that this is a show, lynch them both.
I am monitoring the Killjoy discussion and have nothing further to add to it. I am happy with my vote on him.
rhand if you think I'm going to give you one minute of my time after you blew me off earlier this game, you're delusional. Piss off.
pls compare this to Meg's Watch List. I wrote the watch list before I read this post and chuckled when I compared them. See if you can tell why!
I'm going to not post again until every other player has posted actual content.
But I'll miss you.
yeah lol I realized today that I effectively was replacing out of the game by doing that, so I had to make a compromise.
Posts like this are why Wildfire is town. He's thinking critically. He didn't use this to launch an attack, but rather saw bad reasoning and tried to get clarification. It shows me that he's paying attention and approaching the game from a town-motivated viewpoint of trying to solve the game.
Please elaborate one one thing: Did you at any point in your read think I might be scum?
Something is bothering me about this Killjoy wagon. I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
Like 12-15 different players in this game (including about 75% of the people on KJ right now) have expressed confident scumreads in AI at various times, but a bunch of them never voted actually for him. Add to this the fact that I'm scumreading Cythare, and that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
On another note, 1097 is the second time dC has popped his head in while a major wagon was forming and focused on a player no one was talking about.
Yes hi dkingsland nice of you to be scum.
Seppel already pointed this out but I'm going to steal this thunder about it.
In post 1102, Cythare votes for AsianInvasion.
Two posts later you follow him onto the wagon while calling him scum. This is very strange to me, specifically because at no point in this post is any mention that they are scum together or that Cythare is bussing. Zero.
>I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
>that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
Like, what?
EWP HANSANATOR POSTED YOU ARE NOW PROMOTED TO HUMAN BEING STATUS AGAIN
I was townreading you already and this post seals it. Good job.
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This is Meg's Watch List. These people that are likely scum. If you have questions on any of these just ask. I might not explain my reasoning though. Scum
Iso x AI - Only if they are scum together. Independently they don't feel like scum to me.
dkingsland
DCIII
Rhand
killjoy
LnGrrrR
Arianrhod
I don't have enough townclears yet for a full T/S list.
I said this already but killjoy is best lynch Today. AI is a bad wagon.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
have you read my catchup posts?
My scumread on you diminished when I was rereading. Quoting posts of someone I don't even have as a scumread anymore just to humor him serves no purpose and clutters the thread.
Yes I read all of your posts. Please note that I linked them in my post above.
The reason I ask this is that I have been trying to get a read on you for eight hundred pages and you have decided to sidestep the point by shifting your read on me, which is what I thought you would do after you made no effort to address the point in your catchup.
This is why I think you are scum, btw.
I will not be answering your questions.
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Yeh because I was convinced back then that you were scum.
It took me a reread at home to realise that your explanation did make sense from a town perspective.
Even though your content is lacking, your answers to me are fine, and I'm not trying to draw attention away from the Killjoy/AI wagons at this point in time - so, no, I shouldn't.
Iso is scum, (or a scum-like substance), btw. I think the above is bunk - very unlikely anything will derail both of the two wagons ongoing at the moment and there's no reason to not probe other venues he sees as being suspicious. Especially when the reason he gave me earlier for staying on the KJ wagon when the AI wagon was taking off is that he was worried that he might die and wanted to draw attention to KJ. If he had serious concerns that Rhand was off and possibly scum, it runs counter to what he was saying earlier that he'd choose to try to diffuse those discussions rather than illuminate them for others to see in case he died. No way I believe that he thinks he couldn't push Rhand more there or that he wouldn't want to if he really thought he was onto something. It feels like an artificial excuse, just like when he said that he was suspicious of me earlier but that I was distracting him from what was ongoing. The Killjoy and AI wagons are both quite deep - so I don't buy that he'd feel like he had to tend to those and couldn't try to push Rhand if he thought he had something.
Plus the "even though your content is lacking, your answers to me are fine" part is discrediting while diffusing and screams scum language to me.
Garbage. I think Rhand is strange but not enough to the point of where I'm willing to debunk the two main wagons (both of which I fully advocate, btw) to pursue it. It makes absolutely no sense to stretch myself across 3-5 different players when 2 is sufficient for the time being, seeing as one is almost certain to be the Day 2 wagon. Please walk me through the scum motivation of keeping myself SANE.
It's been 5 days since my last content post. I was hoping that we wouldn't have so many inactives that I would have to wait that long, but whatever. I'm going to be at a baseball game tomorrow (I know, right?), so I won't be able to post until like... Monday.
Anyway, ETR, hansanator, and rezombied are now dead to me. The rest of you need to do the hard work on those folks as I am not interested in treating them as human beings anymore.
Also after trying to follow somebody else with post numbers I've realized that it's impossible on this site, so I will stop using that method even if it's more work for me. You're welcome.
Gut says that I like this post because he's trying to get the game back on track after a minor diversion. It's a very weak +town though. Like super weak.
Knowing what I know about Iso and AI, they are an unaligned pair (as I expect this hostility from AI and the blissfully ignorant trolling from Iso). Keep an eye on their interactions though. If you get one whiff that this is a show, lynch them both.
I am monitoring the Killjoy discussion and have nothing further to add to it. I am happy with my vote on him.
rhand if you think I'm going to give you one minute of my time after you blew me off earlier this game, you're delusional. Piss off.
pls compare this to Meg's Watch List. I wrote the watch list before I read this post and chuckled when I compared them. See if you can tell why!
I'm going to not post again until every other player has posted actual content.
But I'll miss you.
yeah lol I realized today that I effectively was replacing out of the game by doing that, so I had to make a compromise.
Posts like this are why Wildfire is town. He's thinking critically. He didn't use this to launch an attack, but rather saw bad reasoning and tried to get clarification. It shows me that he's paying attention and approaching the game from a town-motivated viewpoint of trying to solve the game.
Please elaborate one one thing: Did you at any point in your read think I might be scum?
Something is bothering me about this Killjoy wagon. I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
Like 12-15 different players in this game (including about 75% of the people on KJ right now) have expressed confident scumreads in AI at various times, but a bunch of them never voted actually for him. Add to this the fact that I'm scumreading Cythare, and that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
On another note, 1097 is the second time dC has popped his head in while a major wagon was forming and focused on a player no one was talking about.
Yes hi dkingsland nice of you to be scum.
Seppel already pointed this out but I'm going to steal this thunder about it.
In post 1102, Cythare votes for AsianInvasion.
Two posts later you follow him onto the wagon while calling him scum. This is very strange to me, specifically because at no point in this post is any mention that they are scum together or that Cythare is bussing. Zero.
>I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
>that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
Like, what?
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I was townreading you already and this post seals it. Good job.
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This is Meg's Watch List. These people that are likely scum. If you have questions on any of these just ask. I might not explain my reasoning though. Scum
Iso x AI - Only if they are scum together. Independently they don't feel like scum to me.
dkingsland
DCIII
Rhand
killjoy
LnGrrrR
Arianrhod
I don't have enough townclears yet for a full T/S list.
I said this already but killjoy is best lynch Today. AI is a bad wagon.
And what is it that you think you know about AI/myself, Megs? What makes AI town to you? (I read your post but I couldn't piece it together because drunkenness is an inhibitor.) I will say I chortled at your video, though.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Feels like a line got crossed there - let's leave such stuff for postgame, instead of negatively affecting the enjoyment of the game as a whole.
@Meg
Can you explain why you think Arian is scum? dkings and Arian are two of the people you have on your watch list that I have varying degrees of townreads on. I think there's a certain type of maliciousness and AtE in scum!Arian's posts. Compare:
Quote from Arianrhod »
GS, thanks for being a vitriolic ******** who has completely ruined the enjoyment of the game so far for me. No, I'm not going to ******* replace out because I have a busy stretch of a few days. If it was going to persist for a week or two, then sure. I'm not some douchebag who gets enjoyment out of dragging the game's pace down. If I thought it was going to be a problem, I would have the courtesy of letting the mod know as much. Sorry that my real life is inconvenient for you, prick. The last time I had this little fun in a game, DRey was involved, and I'm wondering now if that's who GS is. The playstyle fits, at least.
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You've been getting content from me all game, Meg D:
And can you explain how you transitioned on Wildfire paying attention to the game -> town-motivated viewpoint on trying to solve the game? I agree with him paying attention to the game and trying to get clarification, but I want to know how you got there.
I disagree with the dkings read. I've played with dkings as scum in both of his scum games and I feel that he's a bit more /reactive/ as scum and he's echoing me on some of my thoughts (DCIII's wall, dC's lone vote). I'm not too confident on clearing him yet because I did so D1 of Pleasantville but it feels like he's more proactive here.
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I think Meg is being obtuse here, but I do agree w/r/t seeing the thought process behind Rhand's catchup, and how his read on Meg shifted.
the Arian post I quoted above read like an Ataghan Arian post. I agree with you on the ATE, but he's been caught so many times for that that I suspect he probably has adapted his meta by now (i.e., he won't make those kind of posts anymore). Arian isn't worth spending time on yet, though.
Wildfire has been town for a while. That post is just one of many.
And I haven't played with dkings... maybe ever actually? So his meta doesn't mean anything to me. I see a post with a contradiction in it and I'd like to pursue it.
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With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch or move.
You are reminded that the deadline is set for Monday, August 18th, at 5:00 pm EST.
At the end of the day, after the lynch, you will move to Ruchperion, Land of Ceaseless Hunger.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
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@Seppel - I don't know about Rez. He opened the day like he did in Xymande where he was town and I thought that his tone shortly after that seemed town. I agree with Cythare that his response to Meg seemed prickly considering he's posted next to no content and there was nothing grating about Meg's post to spur it. I have him lumped in with EtR as needing to see more from them.
@Iso - you can say I don't understand mafia dynamics - but what strategy do you think I'm saying you were pursuing? I can think of a few reasons that you might have decided not to move to AI in that situation and I'm not sure which it would be, so there isn't just one strategy that we're discussing here. Many of those reasons involve knowing what's going on, though, as I think a more common play for town in a situation where you think that two people are both scum is to endorse the wagon that has momentum.
I agree with Rhand that something about your questioning seems off - like, you were undermining my approach with Meg to Sir Chris, (where did he go, btw?), and when I started questioning you about it, you asked why I was getting involved when you weren't addressing me... well, because it was about me and I was wary of your approach. Then just recently you said you forgot what we were even arguing about but what we were arguing about was my questioning you on your comments that seemed to indicate strong suspicion of me - so it's odd that you then chose to diffuse the interaction considering that you seemed pretty suspicious of me.
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Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
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2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Due to that, if it's between AI and Killjoy being lynched and the other vigged, I'd be more inclined to lynch AI and vig Killjoy than the other way around, on the offchance that it's relevant and the paranoia that one of the two main wagons proposed the lynch/vig configuration.
Unvote
Vote AI
Me too! Maybe we will be paired against each other.
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I did not feel the need to follow up - your answers were sufficient, and you seemed very confused about who you were actually addressing what to, which means either YOU'RE distracted, or you're just not putting forth the effort I want from you.
The wagon with no momentum was clearly the better strategy, here, as I had enough of an argument to push Killjoy to a reasonable range within lynching. Enough people would want to vote AI with or without me that it didn't matter if I endorsed the AI wagon or not - why are you arguing this with me? The proof is in the pudding.
I am suspicious of you but I don't care enough about whatever asinine question you were asking to keep asking you about it, because there's no point in spreading myself across 4 different people toDay - especially since the last time in this game I made a case against a player that wasn't Killjoy or AI, the person who asked me about it basically couldn't be arsed to read anything I said. So, basically, you're wasting my time right now.
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I probably won't be posting much over the weekend, btw.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vote AsianInvasion
Something is bothering me about this Killjoy wagon. I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
Like 12-15 different players in this game (including about 75% of the people on KJ right now) have expressed confident scumreads in AI at various times, but a bunch of them never voted actually for him. Add to this the fact that I'm scumreading Cythare, and that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
On another note, 1097 is the second time dC has popped his head in while a major wagon was forming and focused on a player no one was talking about.
So you think my answers are sufficient and you don't need to go deeper, but at the same time you're saying that I don't put in enough effort?
Shouldn't you be pushing me to put in more effort instead of asking me superficial questions then?
Your answer about EtR was well hidden in a wallpost btw. I am willing to bet that apart from Proph who asked you the question, no one knows your view on EtR without a thorough search for it.
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I wanna hear from EtR and Megiddo needs to answer my questions before we end this day.
I will vote AI once I've gotten my answers. Unless y'all follow me on the EtR wagon
hansanator
etr
rezombied
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12-15 seems like a huge exaggeration. And even if that were the case, how the hell does that reflect worse on me than it does on them? Did you even think before you posted this?
I refuse to be lynched by people who can't be bothered to rub two brain cells together to form a spark.
dC has a point but Seppel has a better one.
I stand by this post and killjoy hasn't really defended himself well from the main crux of my problems.
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2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
I like you.
Unvote: Vote: AsianInvasion
I'm down with the AI wagon. Have far fewer jibblies from the folks supporting it, too.
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Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
You think Cythare and AI are scum together?
Even though your content is lacking, your answers to me are fine, and I'm not trying to draw attention away from the Killjoy/AI wagons at this point in time - so, no, I shouldn't.
Good, people should be reading my posts, anyway.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Meanwhile, Killjoy hasn't really pushed any of his reads, mostly floating through the game. He has also been pretty apathetic when it comes to defending his case.
Given the choice between the two, it's Killjoy.
Vote Killjoy
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Killjoy has seemed content to just show up once in a while, not rock the boat, and then wait for the discussion to shift away from him.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I won't be shocked if AI flips scum, but I've seen this type of stubborn play from town a lot. Killjoy is just...here at times.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
I'll devote a good chunk of time tomorrow to do just that.
Because,you know...I'll actually have time.
I'm not 'content to just show up sometimes' cuz obviously I joined this game to play it, not avoid it.
Iso is scum, (or a scum-like substance), btw. I think the above is bunk - very unlikely anything will derail both of the two wagons ongoing at the moment and there's no reason to not probe other venues he sees as being suspicious. Especially when the reason he gave me earlier for staying on the KJ wagon when the AI wagon was taking off is that he was worried that he might die and wanted to draw attention to KJ. If he had serious concerns that Rhand was off and possibly scum, it runs counter to what he was saying earlier that he'd choose to try to diffuse those discussions rather than illuminate them for others to see in case he died. No way I believe that he thinks he couldn't push Rhand more there or that he wouldn't want to if he really thought he was onto something. It feels like an artificial excuse, just like when he said that he was suspicious of me earlier but that I was distracting him from what was ongoing. The Killjoy and AI wagons are both quite deep - so I don't buy that he'd feel like he had to tend to those and couldn't try to push Rhand if he thought he had something.
Plus the "even though your content is lacking, your answers to me are fine" part is discrediting while diffusing and screams scum language to me.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
@Anyone who supports both the AI and the Killjoy wagon - Will one of the flips influence your read on the other? The way I see it, it doesn't make sense for them to both be on the same scum team. AI is advising that we kill both of them, while Killjoy, when faced with a significant amount of traction on his wagon, would have been throwing AI straight under the bus. If one is drowning, I wouldn't expect him to pull a teammate down too, which is what both seem to be doing, which leads me to believe that AI is town and Killjoy is not.
@Seppel- In post #1067, you ask DCIII for his read on Rezombied, but then in post #1099, you question how someone could have a read on Rezombied, given his lack of posts. So what was the point of asking DCIII for his read?
Speaking of Rezombied, I find it uber scummy that, after 5 days of not posting, he would post within 20 minutes of being called out by Megiddo. I refuse to believe that this was a coincidence.
@dkings
I'm struggling to make sense of the underlined portion. You imply that Killjoy is town while Cythare and AI are scum buddies, but your statement doesn't make sense to me from Cythare's perspective. In this scenario where there are two clear lynch options on the table, why would Cythare choose to bus a teammate and "want nothing to do with" the alternative mislynch of a townie? How does this then support your conspiracy that there is a massive effort to buy AI time?
There's a possibility that Rhand is scum because [reasons] , but I've currently got him as null until further notice.
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In other news, I've got a light town read on Iso--in Pleasantville, (ignoring the fact that I caught him in a lie) scum Iso was very detached, but also manipulative in trying to push the town. I do not sense anything similar from the Iso that I have seen so far in this game.
I've also got a town read on Sir Chris. I like his analysis of Killjoy, and posts like #817 seem very thoughtful and honest.
I like how DCIII responded to dking's case, and #945 hit me in the feels. The fact that DCIII delved so deeply into his frustration and its roots screams town to me. I don't think that he would have openly shared any of that if it wasn't completely sincere.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
This is a lie.
The only PBPA I remember you doing was the one on Nati.
Thanks.
@dC, hans, Nati: Can you answer my questions? I have them scattered around the thread somewhere.
dkings/desCoures unaligned pair.
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I reread a bit with regards to AI and killjoy.
I prefer LnG to be the lynch toDay, but I understand that a wagon won't form on him. I want to take a bit more time interacting with killjoy and AI - I've misread both in the past, and I don't want to make the same mistake again.
@killjoy
What exactly did DCIII do to give you townie vibes?
Again, any insight into Wildfire's alignment? It feels like you're saying things about him but not actually committing to a read.
Why are you only looking for mentions of yourself in the game thread? Why aren't you giving reads and scumhunting?
With hans's vote, killjoy is at L-1 right now. I want someone to unvote.
Anyway, ETR, hansanator, and rezombied are now dead to me. The rest of you need to do the hard work on those folks as I am not interested in treating them as human beings anymore.
Also after trying to follow somebody else with post numbers I've realized that it's impossible on this site, so I will stop using that method even if it's more work for me. You're welcome.
Another scum post from Arian.
Gut says that I like this post because he's trying to get the game back on track after a minor diversion. It's a very weak +town though. Like super weak.
Knowing what I know about Iso and AI, they are an unaligned pair (as I expect this hostility from AI and the blissfully ignorant trolling from Iso). Keep an eye on their interactions though. If you get one whiff that this is a show, lynch them both.
I am monitoring the Killjoy discussion and have nothing further to add to it. I am happy with my vote on him.
rhand if you think I'm going to give you one minute of my time after you blew me off earlier this game, you're delusional. Piss off.
pls compare this to Meg's Watch List. I wrote the watch list before I read this post and chuckled when I compared them. See if you can tell why!
yeah lol I realized today that I effectively was replacing out of the game by doing that, so I had to make a compromise.
Posts like this are why Wildfire is town. He's thinking critically. He didn't use this to launch an attack, but rather saw bad reasoning and tried to get clarification. It shows me that he's paying attention and approaching the game from a town-motivated viewpoint of trying to solve the game.
Please elaborate one one thing: Did you at any point in your read think I might be scum?
posting this so you know I saw it but not responding.
I'd love to ask you about this post but at your current rate you won't see this post until October.
Despite starting the DCIII wagon I feel like it just kind of appeared, like mold or tumblr. It's so weird to me.
I always dislike posts like these and this is like one of the only things keeping me from townclearing you.
No, stop. This is stupid. AI is probably town, and we should be lynching Killjoy.
Yes hi dkingsland nice of you to be scum.
Seppel already pointed this out but I'm going to steal this thunder about it.
In post 1102, Cythare votes for AsianInvasion.
Two posts later you follow him onto the wagon while calling him scum. This is very strange to me, specifically because at no point in this post is any mention that they are scum together or that Cythare is bussing. Zero.
>I feel like there is a coordinated effort to get AI through the day.
>that vote above makes me think he wants nothing to do with the KJ wagon.
Like, what?
why
TOPKEK look at this one guys. In case there was any doubt.
thank you iso maybe you can be town after all
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I was townreading you already and this post seals it. Good job.
PROPH WHERE ARE YOU
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This is Meg's Watch List. These people that are likely scum. If you have questions on any of these just ask. I might not explain my reasoning though.
Scum
Iso x AI - Only if they are scum together. Independently they don't feel like scum to me.
dkingsland
DCIII
Rhand
killjoy
LnGrrrR
Arianrhod
I don't have enough townclears yet for a full T/S list.
I said this already but killjoy is best lynch Today. AI is a bad wagon.
thinking of replacing out. Not in a mindset to deal with crap like that right now.
if you're town, then you just made this personal.
answer my question from 800 pages ago and then we can talk.
My scumread on you diminished when I was rereading. Quoting posts of someone I don't even have as a scumread anymore just to humor him serves no purpose and clutters the thread.
The reason I ask this is that I have been trying to get a read on you for eight hundred pages and you have decided to sidestep the point by shifting your read on me, which is what I thought you would do after you made no effort to address the point in your catchup.
This is why I think you are scum, btw.
I will not be answering your questions.
It took me a reread at home to realise that your explanation did make sense from a town perspective.
1. What I was doing that was different from normal.
2. Why you thought this made me scum at the time.
3. Why you changed your mind.
Cite posts please.
Some serious stuff came up.
I feel like there was someone else I wanted to answer but I forgot because I'm drunk.
Garbage. I think Rhand is strange but not enough to the point of where I'm willing to debunk the two main wagons (both of which I fully advocate, btw) to pursue it. It makes absolutely no sense to stretch myself across 3-5 different players when 2 is sufficient for the time being, seeing as one is almost certain to be the Day 2 wagon. Please walk me through the scum motivation of keeping myself SANE.
And what is it that you think you know about AI/myself, Megs? What makes AI town to you? (I read your post but I couldn't piece it together because drunkenness is an inhibitor.) I will say I chortled at your video, though.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso: Read my post again when you're sober. I explained it.
@Meg
Can you explain why you think Arian is scum? dkings and Arian are two of the people you have on your watch list that I have varying degrees of townreads on. I think there's a certain type of maliciousness and AtE in scum!Arian's posts. Compare:
And can you explain how you transitioned on Wildfire paying attention to the game -> town-motivated viewpoint on trying to solve the game? I agree with him paying attention to the game and trying to get clarification, but I want to know how you got there.
I disagree with the dkings read. I've played with dkings as scum in both of his scum games and I feel that he's a bit more /reactive/ as scum and he's echoing me on some of my thoughts (DCIII's wall, dC's lone vote). I'm not too confident on clearing him yet because I did so D1 of Pleasantville but it feels like he's more proactive here.
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I think Meg is being obtuse here, but I do agree w/r/t seeing the thought process behind Rhand's catchup, and how his read on Meg shifted.
Wildfire has been town for a while. That post is just one of many.
And I haven't played with dkings... maybe ever actually? So his meta doesn't mean anything to me. I see a post with a contradiction in it and I'd like to pursue it.
killjoy (7) - Iso, Seppel, AsianInvasion, Sir Chris, Arianrhod, Wildfire393, LnGrrrR
AsianInvasion (6) - Sir Karn, rezombied, killjoy, Cythare, dkingsland967
Wildfire393 (1) - Niv
Seppel (1) - HookerPunch
Cythare (1) - LnGrrrR
LnGrrrR (1) - Prophylaxis
EtR (1) - Rhand
DCIII (1) - desCoures
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch or move.
You are reminded that the deadline is set for Monday, August 18th, at 5:00 pm EST.
At the end of the day, after the lynch, you will move to Ruchperion, Land of Ceaseless Hunger.
No changes to Vitality since my last post.
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EtR and rezombied have been prodded. desCoures is on thin ice as well.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player