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>The second possibility is that because he is scum, and he knows there are 5 scum, he excludes himself mentally from the list as he's posting, asking me why I only think 4 people are scum (possibly because none of them are his buddies! unlikely, IMO) because he already knows he's scum.
This feels like a stretch. There's an idea here but it's like... still gestating. It's strange to me because it's effectively a reverse scumslip. Instead of inadvertently saying that he's scum, you're saying that he inadvertently said that he's not scum... which makes him scum.
I can kind of buy the explanation that he's "mentally excluding himself" from being scum, but how does that differentiate from a townie who would mentally exclude themselves from being scum naturally?
Or is it that because he's focusing on excluding himself that he saw the list of 5, was in "I am town" autopilot mode, and only registered the four other people?
If you're right about this you get my vote for best scum slip catch 2014. But honestly I don't think you are.
No, it's not that he's not counting himself as scum - it's that he's including himself as scum, which is why he excluded himself from the list of 5. Get it?
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Iso you are about the 5th person who said something similar. I'd rather combat logic and legitimate discussion than 'lol you're bad.'
Unless... there's something else other than the sharpness of my answer that made you go wtf.
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AI and Proph are both guaranteed scum and we need to lynch one of them toDay.
Let's do it guys.
Still agree with this about AI and also think Proph is likely, want him to return and see how he responds to the outstanding questions to him and how he acts moving forward.
Other things I don't like:
Hans saying that he liked my #285 without agreeing with the main read out of it. Others have asked why he's town reading AI, my question is - what do you like about a post that you disagree with and why make a point that it's so good? Hans post also seems more normal than normal for him, especially early in the game. I think Hans is probably scum.
Seppel saying that he thinks Meg is town a second time. Don't know why but it seems un-Seppel to me. I've also read other Specialties where he's been very involved in the mechanics of the game and here he's disinterested in that aspect of the game... which makes me think the way he's acting about it feels fake.
The timing of LnGr's vote on Cythare and how he presented the reasoning for it felt like he was trying hard to make the reasoning his own.
Sir Chris saying that he likes me and is more inclined to agree with my cases. There's a difference between liking someone's cases and liking them and agreeing with that person's cases as a result. The only other time I've seen someone use a personal compliment like this to agree with a game action I was taking was scumDagaen buddying me in Deus Ex.
The Cythare wagon because it feels like people felt comfortable joining as a result of Meg's read. His response to Meg where he basically just said, "your point?" when Meg said he wasn't playing like he normally does felt town to me. Like, I feel like he would have either tried to deny that he was playing differently or jumped right in with an explanation if he was scum.
Want to see more from Killjoy - Meg is making me second guess the slip and I felt like he believed his response to me about the questions he asked Rez.
DCIII - Misunderstanding, when I use the term 'like' and 'dislike' it usually relates to a person's play, not my affections for them. Not always directly related to the town-scum scale, but rarely has to do with affection. So my intent was for this to read "I like what DCIII has posted so far, so I am inclined to be less paranoid of his ideas."
No real opinions on your personality.
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The post I noted my like of you was basically just a restating of what I had said earlier in a less formal way:
Also I like the fact you didn't just go for the mix up of Seppel's reasoning - the strongest point, to me, is the fact that he literally used people as props for all of his votes. That feels like he is distancing himself from his own thoughts as he is voting for some reason.
Most of all I like your problems with me, as ... weird as that sounds. I don't like entire phases devoted to jokes, but I myself love telling jokes. Yeah that's just one of the weird things about me. Also you said it yourself: You placed a naked vote on me. What was there to say? I can't engage with votes, but with discussion the votes come from. I didn't think anyone is going to stay on me the whole long day for literal no reason! As soon as you noted mixed thoughts it gave me a way to glean some things about you. I thought you presented your thoughts very well here, both in the attack on AI and in the clarification of how you feel about me. Probably the most town post so far.
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DCIII brings up an interesting point about Killjoy in regards to team size. It didn't occur to me either that any list about scum had to be exact. It also helps I like DCIII and am more likely to trust his arguments at the moment. Deduct a point from Killjoy's score.
No I know, I was just noting how THAT was a follow up to my previous statement where I said "I like your problems..." "I like the fact you..."
Like see what I posted and see why I would trust you for that versus me just randomly noting I had a fondness of you <_<.
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Hm. Sure, undermine is the twisted and accusing way of saying what I did, but I suppose if you want to phrase it as "undermining" it wouldn't be wrong. In that light, the only way to find scum is to hope they just fall in your lap or to "undermine" their posts enough where they mess up. Kind of the point of mafia, EtR. I would phrase it as "stating what pops into my head for the benefit of town" but we can go with undermining too if it makes you feel comfortable.
Now that I have a moment to sit down and think someone mentioned that AI was the one that brought up massing. That's... legitimately interesting. I could see this going either way, really. On the one hand I could have been correct in my note that someone wanting a mass would be very reckless to do that as scum, and AI just is the type of town who is usually destined for a mislynch because he can't be bothered to put his opinions in a row to form a line. On the other hand he could just be a reckless scum. Unfortunately for AI I am all out of mercy.
By the way Iso if you want to come after me you need to do it like you're actually a man of intellect and wisdom, not some school boy. Like I am watching AI here, as an example because he did this too, be like "oh you're bad oh you're bad" this isn't a god damn game of good and bad. Like if you think I am scum you lay a vote on me and you PRESSURE me. You come after me with reasoning, fact if you have them any given time, and legitimate effort. "Oh he's been all around bad" you know what? No I haven't. I know bad mafia play. I see some of it in this game. I've seen it in many others. I've been active, reasoning, and attempting to either defend myself when required or search out scum. Or tell bad jokes sometimes, admittedly. My point is enough of the garbage. If you want to come after me then come after me, I'll destroy any point you make against me. If you think I am bad then fine, that's not my gripe I can live with whatever you think about it. But you know what? I am sick of players getting arrogant and thinking this game we play is about "oh this is bad." No, it is about finding scum, Iso. If you don't know that maybe you're the bad one.
Do you want me to apologize for taking out my frustrations on you? Would that make you feel better?
ok, so, this is going to be a record size for me, I guarantee it. Currently using 25 posts per page, if anyone knows how to change this on curse, let me know, because I would so rather it was 40. lets go. sorry for the delay. life's a *****, and I already lost one ~1000+ word post to me being <snip> and not saving my work, so, I'm going to stay up tonight until its done. got my music on, and I'm ready to write an essay. I a big fan of fast games, but this one is growing so bloody fast. heck, Megiddo's avatar changed while I was typing this post tonight, and tired me just had my mind blown. oh, so, it's almost 2 am, and I get incoherent around this time of night, so I should stop now. but I think, even though much of what I'm talking about is outdated, it's still worth putting up now, before I lost more posting again.
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so, the only thing I really have to respond to directly, was my initial vote on page 2 on wildfire. that vote just felt really off to me, and still does. hooker made a disclaimer regarding the fact that she wasn't voting herself this game, and Wildfire ignored it, to simply post a bad wifom vote, at best. was a fan, and still am not a fan.
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worlds: just since it was the topic at the time, I do want to talk about the diffrent worlds real quick here. First halls seem to have no real benefit, unless someone's role has a reason to be here. but it just feels like a "start square" on a board game. Erhamen feels as though we want to be there at the endgame, or close to it, like when we have one more lynch before lyol, Alway Etteem feels as though it's the place to be somewhat early. give the nature of this game (roles being assigned to players largely independent of alignment) though I would assume it would affect all roles equally. if we use the setup from seasons as a baseline, we'll possibly have a couple predetermined neutral roles (SK or otherwise) and mafia of about 5, that have roles that could have also been town. given that knowledge, one can assume that Alway Etteem is best used when we have the highest town/nottown ratio, which would be most likley on day/night one. Oberos is likely best used after we mass claim, whenever that happens. we can try to setup higher suspects to be targeted, so we can potentially have a no kill night. in practice it may not be this simple, but it's still probably the best use for this place, where we can make a chain of some kind, to potentially roleblock everyone, or damn near everyone, and if someone doesn't follow thier assignment post mass claim in this scenario. I can't think of any protown reason to visit Gundhiya, but people may have role related reasons to come here. Ruchperion is also interesting, and is likley the place we want to be once we leave Alway Etteem, since it can gain the most vitality early, since one would assume that more people will be dying early.
so all in all, I'll probally be voting to go to Alway Etteem at the end of this post, but this was typed up before I read pages 3 - current, so, someone else may have said these things already, or said things to contradict them.
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page 2: Chris's post here is really off to me. largley because of the Cythere comment. there is nothing wrong with being cautious on day one (like, RL day one) when we have like 3 weeks or something to work out where we should being, and deciding something like that this early in the day. this just feels like an unnecessary and forced smear on something that wasn't really off at all. the response from Cythere here is solid. while I am aware from skimming the thread a few times, that the voting method has changed since this post, the logic is still sound. and really, if what chris says here is actually true, he has some pretty farfetched methods of acquireing information. Megiddo feels slightly town for his reaction to Chris, and DCIII feels very town for his. DCIII's manner just really strikes me as town thinking and posting, dispute how little was actually said. though I'm not sure where Meggs is getting his scum read on Cythere on this post. this post feels to me as a simple legit response to Chris' bad smear. lastly, AI's fish on Meggido actually feels like a protown fish, given that it was an attempt to not waste resources on him, while fishing like that often is not a pro town action, I feel this one was taken from a town mindset.
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Page 3: I do want to briefly comment on my RVS post here. I voted Iso simply because I had really fond memories of the prequel to this game, and I wanted an excuse to remind everyone of the Wheel of Mafia. nothing more, nothing less. Will probably go back to self votes in 95% of my games.
@Chris(mostly) I really can't figure out what I think of this post. a lot of what is in it feels as though it's leading me to believe that he's not scum, but a lot of the things I'm finding off, he's specifically writing off to his playstyle, which I can accept. do you have have any way to corroborate what your saying here? like, your defensiveness does feel off to me, but if that's just how you play I'm willing to write it off. do you have a game you can link me, either on site or off, that would clearly demonstrate your posting style, regardless of alignment?
Proph's post here really just feels like a lot of words, with nothing said, and on the whole just feels off. Killjoy's post here is pretty sound, but he's missing out on the randomized roles being independent of alignment. if there were a hypothetical roleblocker, it's just as likely that that roleblocker is town. I like the prodding on wildfire, and all of the world discussion seems on point.
Wildfire's initial on hooker vote had all of the halmarks of a serious vote, and his backtrack here feels like exactly that, a backtrack. I also do want to comment here, that one or 2 games is not a meta. 2 years is a meta, 2 games is a coincidence I'd dare say at 3 you might start having meta (based on the theory once is accident, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern, that applies to almost any scenario out there, not just within mafia.) but that backtrack seems largely unnecessary, and feels overly self conscious. that and this comment by Megiddo is pretty accurate as well, though I'm not sure I find that inherently suspect, but the manner in which it's happening very will is. I also want to comment directly at wildfire: the game you're in with me is still in progress, please don't meta me for a game that's not only still going on, but I'm still alive in. last time I checked, this goes along with the whole no discussing games in progress thing. but seriously, you have a one partial game meta of me, and you're going to call my 2 post uncharacteristic. I really don't get you, and you're probably scum. this lines it out pretty much better than I probally ever could, and DCIII's probably town. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE: So, Hooker's post and the vote it garnered wasn't actually a super serious vote, but now my opening is suspicious again. so, if one could concider me and hooker to be equal in this sense, you're now backtracking on your backtrack. so, yah, your scum, and I should stop reading now, right? and those useless null reads here. really, useless read on Chris, what probally equates to a light town read on LnG, and a Seppel read on seppel disguised as a scum read. yah, this one's scum.
@Seppel:are you town? wait, you're voting wildfire already? so, we know you're seppel, but really are you town? cause you're fishing for effects as though we should just assume you are. should we just assume you are in every game, and then lynch you in every endgame you're still alive in, cause that used to be the way you were dealt with.
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Page 4: @Megiddo: I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, if we could go back in time, has wildfire gone +town or +scum in your books since you called him out and this point?
@AI: you were in seasons too, if I recall. you know as well as I do that a early mass claim would have been ***** in that game, and given the mechanics of this game being much more inline with seasons than Grim Batol, what makes you think that this would be beneficial in any way?
a lot of what's said here I completely echo. I also had completely missed the part where all the realms lost HP, not just the one we're on. but all in all that's a great post. pretty sure it's a town post too.
@hans: do you really have nothing else to talk about at this stage of the game?
did wildfire really just repost Arihn's math and call it his own, because that's what I'm reading this as. I also would like to comment here that he's assuming that A) the potential SK makes it to endgame, and B) the sk never shoots scum, both of which are bad assumptions, since simply on the odds, that will likely never happen.
just a quick comment on the wildfire/megiddo exchange here. and I find it really funny that Wildfire is either oblivious, or choses to ignore that it's his post +towning seppel, not seppel's
just gonna go ahead and +town proph here. all good posting. but really, why are there so few votes on wildfire at this point. this is getting ridiculous. this is day one of seasons all over, only this time it's not a DRay implosion. that was a solid implosion though.
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Page 5: gonna go ahead and just start out with the wildfire implosion on the whole. this is one of the worst posts I've seen in a while. though, I'm pretty much comming to the conclusion I have absolutally no idea what to make of megiddo. I have a solid town read, but all the one liners are starting to pile up, and ones like this do nothing more than reiterate the scum read he has on wildfire. but I'm continuing to not follow wildfire here. this is just so brain dead it hurts me a little, I jsut read that like 4 times and probably killed a 1000 brain cells in the process. this post by Cythare kind of says nothing, but hides it well.
ITT: Cythare fakes it, wildfire tries really hard, and AsianInvasion is secretly scum but nobody will ever vote for him.
QFT
another wildfire smear, this is just far off I'm not even sure what insult to use here. good slam on 2 unrelated players here btw. that and it's irrelevant who meg's is voting, when he's clearly voting you in every way but the official one. there's applying suspicion in a post and then not voting someone, and then there's what's happening in this thread.
so, um this page was so many one liners I thought I might be at a Mitch Hedberg show: but on that note, good night. 1980 words. and I still have like 15 more pages. this is going to be "fun".
Do you want me to apologize for taking out my frustrations on you? Would that make you feel better?
I would like you to bother to explain yourself at any point in regards to the points I asked about more than once. Which you still haven't done. I mean I could not care less about your frustration, your lack of explanation is why I am continuing to vote for you.
@ Niv "bad smear" talk about an "oh geesh overstatement of the year." It isn't if I razed the earth because of that, I just didn't like it so I said so. As for style I played in Castlevania mafia and kind of got similar reactions to some of the ones here. As for farfetched methods... not the first time I have heard that.
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Maybe on Day 4 or 5; I wanna lynch Killjoy, AsianInvasion, Prophylaxis, and maybe Cythare first.
Is your killjoy read still only based on that one item? I don't see it. I agree on AI, and don't have enough experience with scum!Proph to decide now. Like DCIII, I'd like to see something from him first. I also would like to lynch LnGrrrR and maybe hansanator.
Cythare - not sure on LnGr. I didn't like his vote or the way he explained it but I also wonder if he'd be so transparent to hop on your wagon when he did when taking the pressure that he did. Lean toward thinking scum but there are other players I feel more strongly about and I have recent experience with his behavior wrongly looking bad to me, so I want to see more.
Cyth, what has hansanator posted that you find objectionable?
I mean, he hasn't said much, but I disliked #414. He provides 4 of his townreads then asks why we haven't moved yet, but doesn't vote for a move himself, despite having previously acknowledged where he feels would be best for a D1 move. The post feels fluffy. His townreads are questionable to me, as I indicated in 369. He indicates that AI reads town to him for suggesting the massclaim, and doesn't provide any additional context for it. He also states that Arian is a townread for his big mechanical post, which feels like a poor reason to think someone is town - it is a post that could come from either alignment. I'd like to see more from him, which is why he's a maybe, but I don't like what I've seen so far.
Cythare - not sure on LnGr. I didn't like his vote or the way he explained it but I also wonder if he'd be so transparent to hop on your wagon when he did when taking the pressure that he did. Lean toward thinking scum but there are other players I feel more strongly about and I have recent experience with his behavior wrongly looking bad to me, so I want to see more.
What pressure, though? EtR questioned him about his Niv vote, and Meg, Seppel and I all said something about disliking his content, but prior to the vote, I'm not sure I'd qualify any of that as pressure.
@Cyth RE: Hans - That all seems like decent logic to suspect him over, but does that really make him your #2 lynch priority?
I'm not defending him here, I'd just like some insight into your reads.
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@Cyth RE: Hans - That all seems like decent logic to suspect him over, but does that really make him your #2 lynch priority?
I'm not defending him here, I'd just like some insight into your reads.
He's not my #2, he's my #3 (after AI and LnGrrrR). I can post some more comprehensive thoughts later, but there are a lot of people I haven't taken the time to suss out or haven't been able to yet. Of those I have, AI and LnGrrrR are in my scum pile, with hansanator leaning scum.
Oh, my bad. I misread your post and missed the part where you want to lynch AI, and ALSO LnG or maybe Hans.
I just saw the "want to lynch LnG or maybe hans" and was trying to figure out how he ended up as #2 when you've expressed concerns about others.
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@AI: you were in seasons too, if I recall. you know as well as I do that a early mass claim would have been ***** in that game, and given the mechanics of this game being much more inline with seasons than Grim Batol, what makes you think that this would be beneficial in any way?
Mass-claims are reasonable in location-based games where the town has to coordinate where to go in order to maximize ability usage. Also, the fact that Clock movement was a relevant "hidden" mechanic meant that it would be literally impossible to figure out how to coordinate a town's worth of abilities alongside a constantly moving Clock.
Who else do you lean scum on, considering there are likely 5 of them in the game?
Like I said, I haven't really sussed out enough other people yet. People I do have in my town pile, though, include you, Meg and DCIII with Sir Chris and Arianrhod leaning town.
@Hans if you don't think AI is scum then why do you think my post was good? Why do you disagree?
I have to give credit where credit is due. It was a very strong post, and it is clear to me that you are actively trying to solve the game. The fact that my read on AI differs from yours doesn't change that. I think that AI is town for suggesting a massclaim at a time where it would only make sense for town to have suggested it.
1. How the hell do you have a town read on AI?
2. If you're not familiar with scumdC, then how does his play remind you of his town game? You basically just asked him to give you a reason he's town.
1. People who propose D1 massclaims are cool and awesome, so AI is likely town.
2. I have played a couple games with DC before and he was town in all of them. I don't see anything strikingly different in this game compared to the other games that I have played with him, which logically suggests that he is the same alignment as he was in the other games. I asked him for a scum game because, as soon as I get the time, I'd like to give it a read through to see if I can detect any difference when he is scum. If it looks similar to his play as town, then I will know that my read on him in this game is flawed.
AsianInvasion- I think that a lot of the flak that AI has gotten has been pretty unwarranted. I agree with his reasoning to do a massclaim, and he is likely town for suggesting it.
Do you think he is town specifically for that reason? How do you feel about his other posts?
Yes.
As of this time, I do not sense any threat in his other posts that could offset the major town tell that I got from his massclaim proposal.
Arian- I know that he hasn't had a huge impact on this game, but I really liked his super big location post. I don't think that scum would give such a detailed account of why the location that many people wanted to travel to D1 was not the optimal choice. I just thought that the post was coming from a very good and genuine perspective, which seems to contradict the scum Arian that I have seen in the past.
arian: Your only reasoning for him being town is mechanical?
Can you rephrase this? I don't really understand what you mean by mechanical.
Is there any reason why we haven't changed location yet?
You ask this and then don't vote for a location or see the discussion earlier on in the Day?
My question wasn't rhetorical. I want to go to Rhuchperion, but I didn't want to lock it in just in case anyone had a legitimate reason for waiting until later in the day to move. It seems like nobody is opposed to moving now, so I'll go ahead and
@AI: you were in seasons too, if I recall. you know as well as I do that a early mass claim would have been ***** in that game, and given the mechanics of this game being much more inline with seasons than Grim Batol, what makes you think that this would be beneficial in any way?
Mass-claims are reasonable in location-based games where the town has to coordinate where to go in order to maximize ability usage. Also, the fact that Clock movement was a relevant "hidden" mechanic meant that it would be literally impossible to figure out how to coordinate a town's worth of abilities alongside a constantly moving Clock.
Let's do it!
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starting up another essay, but just a quick comment before I do. if we could find a way to do it, I wouldn't be opposed to having people claim any location based abilities at their own discretion. but for the most part, I would be opposed to a full on mass claim. but if people have abilities that would hint we should be on one world over another, I feel like that would possibly be best served if everything was out in the open.
If we are claiming, then we should not move to Ruchperion toDay. Suggest we halt any more move votes until we get a consensus one way or another on the massclaim.
I think a mass claim this early would be a mistake.
The best we'll be able to get out of it is we get some people who come forward and claim that they have abilities that are good in the Mirrored Domain.
Okay, so we probably just outed our Doc and Watcher types to the scum? Sure, the Doc will be safe as long as we stay there, but we have to move to Ruchperion at some point if we're going to have it as a fallback world for the long game.
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Holy cats I think I just found a scum Seppel Day 1.
Little things were bugging me like the saying he thinks Meg is town twice and the being so in the dark/cavalier about the game mechanics but this made me want to just quote it and vote him.
... because I have a gut feeling that this is a scum Seppel comment, thought no one would find it convincing enough on its own, but wanted to see how people reacted to it. But that got me looking through Seppel again and there was also his vote on HookerPunch:
p much everyone posting right now sans Wildfire is town.
Even Seppel?
Good point, actually. Seppel's not giving me the super townvibe he gave me before.
Eh, he can still be town.
If you say so.
Unvote, vote HookerPunch
I could see where he was coming from with this vote when he voted it, but then he moved off of HP without getting a response to the above and when HP rejoined the game there was no follow up to him. This kind of post doesn't seem like the kind of post that he would just vote and abandon/not address again. If Seppel was scumhunting, I feel like he'd be on this one still, if not in vote at least in focus. This also makes me think that if I'm right, HP is also scum because it would have been a post that Seppel felt he had to touch/couldn't just let go, but now he's let it fall to the back-burner.
Unvote: Vote: Seppel
AI is still probably scum. I could see something in the Seppel, HP, AI, Proph range. Hans looks better with his most recent post, especially where he calls Seppel out for liking him.
but if people have abilities that would hint we should be on one world over another, I feel like that would possibly be best served if everything was out in the open.
This isn't a bad idea, as it doesn't seem that people are into mass-claiming atm.
well, personally I don't support a full mass claim, but I do think there's probably some information pertaining to the worlds and how they can possibly be best used that can be openly claimed at people's discretions. people should use their own judgments, as always, but really, I would bet that there are some roles that would be best used in the open this game, and some roles that are not, but that requires people to play well and understand what information would actually be worth claiming. but yah, if someone has a role that does function X for us on plane Y, that's a really good reason possibly to be on plane Y, given function X is desirable.
My strongest townreads are Megs and Hans. Can someone please name more townies with explanations?
My town reads are myself, because my role PM says so, Arian, because he has his town tone, Megiddo, because duh, Rhand, because I don't remember, and you, for mystical voodoo reasons.
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@DCIII: that seems really tenuous. I mean I admit my "case" on Cythare isn't really that much better -- it's a lot of gut and meta from Astarte. I would argue that in the event that we're both wrong, though, Cythare is a "better loss" than Seppel is, if that makes sense. Not that I believe I'm wrong (as I'm sure you don't believe you're wrong either), but I would need something far, far more damning to lynch Seppel D1.
That being said, I do like you post insofar as it shows that you're going back and actively scumhunting/looking for solutions.
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@Meg: you made a comment earlier about DCIII seeming scummy per something from Xymande? Can you explain that and note if you're still seeing it? From where I'm sitting, he looks good.
@552 Iso: I feel like you literally just said the reverse of what you said before. I'm now disregarding this point. I also have no comment on your reads. I do think you're probably town though, so you have that going for you.
@554 DCIII: I think most of this post is a waste of space. for example, it seems super obv that Chris was not saying that he likes your personality. I have more to say on Seppel later.
@560: AI's contributions are not inspiring.
@561 Niv:
>Megiddo's avatar changed while I was typing this post tonight, and tired me just had my mind blown.
Get used to that.
>one can assume that Alway Etteem is best used when we have the highest town/nottown ratio, which would be most likley on day/night one
I like your reasoning on this point, and it is the first time anybody has said this to my knowledge. I don't necessarily agree with you (I think the risk that we are hurt by it is too high), but I want to highlight this for others.
I got my Cythare scumread because his post feels off. Cythare does not usually get that animated when he plays mafia. I can understand why somebody less familiar with his play would not notice this.
>if there were a hypothetical roleblocker, it's just as likely that that roleblocker is town
I actually wonder about this, but there's no reason to speculate now. While the roles are nominally randomized, I know that after Ataghan there were discussions about this. If this game took from that one... But again, it's not useful to discuss this.
>I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, if we could go back in time, has wildfire gone +town or +scum in your books since you called him out and this point?
I know you said that the question is moot, but the post you asked about was me pointing out that Wildfire did not start doing a thing until my "9/10ths" post. Basically, I saw him molding his play around what a townie was telling him to do.
>just a quick comment on the wildfire/megiddo exchange here. and I find it really funny that Wildfire is either oblivious, or choses to ignore that it's his post +towning seppel, not seppel's
I actually did mean Seppel's post.
@563 Wildfire: But seriously though, why do you keep doing this?
@581 Seppel: I will probably claim by the end of the day but there's a reason it's 6 and not 5 or 7. I also didn't agree with you on Hans until his post later.
@582 AI: Good point on the mechanics. My counterargument to you is that Zindabad was profoundly affected by how Grim Batol devolved into a massclaim and bogged down the playerbase (I did not play or read the game so this is secondhand info regarding the game itself, however I have read posts where he has said as much about the design). I would myself be profoundly surprised if this game went well for us after a D1 massclaim. I trust Zindabad's modding instincts and I suspect he found a way to counteract the massclaim potential in a game with location mechanics. Random roles helps of course, but I think there's probably another layer we aren't seeing. My evidence for that is that we don't have something like Mow Down in this game. I could be wrong but on Day one I would like to assume the mod has taken these things into account.
@588 Hans: Yes this one makes me leantown on you.
@592 Wildfire: This is a scum post. First person to tell me why gets a
@595 DCIII: Your posts aren't helping you either.
@597 Niv: The problem with that plan is that if we move somewhere because of somebody's role... guess who gets nightkilled. Perhaps this is one of the layers I was speaking of earlier.
@599 Arian: Ah, DCIII's content level is lower when he's scum than when he's town. The fact that his response to my post was the way it was suggests that he agrees. I did forget about his IRL issues, but keep an eye on him.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
No, it's not that he's not counting himself as scum - it's that he's including himself as scum, which is why he excluded himself from the list of 5. Get it?
Also, if you could comment on my reads?
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Unless... there's something else other than the sharpness of my answer that made you go wtf.
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Still agree with this about AI and also think Proph is likely, want him to return and see how he responds to the outstanding questions to him and how he acts moving forward.
Other things I don't like:
Hans saying that he liked my #285 without agreeing with the main read out of it. Others have asked why he's town reading AI, my question is - what do you like about a post that you disagree with and why make a point that it's so good? Hans post also seems more normal than normal for him, especially early in the game. I think Hans is probably scum.
Seppel saying that he thinks Meg is town a second time. Don't know why but it seems un-Seppel to me. I've also read other Specialties where he's been very involved in the mechanics of the game and here he's disinterested in that aspect of the game... which makes me think the way he's acting about it feels fake.
The timing of LnGr's vote on Cythare and how he presented the reasoning for it felt like he was trying hard to make the reasoning his own.
Sir Chris saying that he likes me and is more inclined to agree with my cases. There's a difference between liking someone's cases and liking them and agreeing with that person's cases as a result. The only other time I've seen someone use a personal compliment like this to agree with a game action I was taking was scumDagaen buddying me in Deus Ex.
The Cythare wagon because it feels like people felt comfortable joining as a result of Meg's read. His response to Meg where he basically just said, "your point?" when Meg said he wasn't playing like he normally does felt town to me. Like, I feel like he would have either tried to deny that he was playing differently or jumped right in with an explanation if he was scum.
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No real opinions on your personality.
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Chris - this is the one I was referring to.
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Like see what I posted and see why I would trust you for that versus me just randomly noting I had a fondness of you <_<.
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so then stop playing badly.
And there probably was, but that would require me going back and reading it, and I currently can't be arsed to do that.
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so, the only thing I really have to respond to directly, was my initial vote on page 2 on wildfire. that vote just felt really off to me, and still does. hooker made a disclaimer regarding the fact that she wasn't voting herself this game, and Wildfire ignored it, to simply post a bad wifom vote, at best. was a fan, and still am not a fan.
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worlds: just since it was the topic at the time, I do want to talk about the diffrent worlds real quick here. First halls seem to have no real benefit, unless someone's role has a reason to be here. but it just feels like a "start square" on a board game. Erhamen feels as though we want to be there at the endgame, or close to it, like when we have one more lynch before lyol, Alway Etteem feels as though it's the place to be somewhat early. give the nature of this game (roles being assigned to players largely independent of alignment) though I would assume it would affect all roles equally. if we use the setup from seasons as a baseline, we'll possibly have a couple predetermined neutral roles (SK or otherwise) and mafia of about 5, that have roles that could have also been town. given that knowledge, one can assume that Alway Etteem is best used when we have the highest town/nottown ratio, which would be most likley on day/night one. Oberos is likely best used after we mass claim, whenever that happens. we can try to setup higher suspects to be targeted, so we can potentially have a no kill night. in practice it may not be this simple, but it's still probably the best use for this place, where we can make a chain of some kind, to potentially roleblock everyone, or damn near everyone, and if someone doesn't follow thier assignment post mass claim in this scenario. I can't think of any protown reason to visit Gundhiya, but people may have role related reasons to come here. Ruchperion is also interesting, and is likley the place we want to be once we leave Alway Etteem, since it can gain the most vitality early, since one would assume that more people will be dying early.
so all in all, I'll probally be voting to go to Alway Etteem at the end of this post, but this was typed up before I read pages 3 - current, so, someone else may have said these things already, or said things to contradict them.
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page 2: Chris's post here is really off to me. largley because of the Cythere comment. there is nothing wrong with being cautious on day one (like, RL day one) when we have like 3 weeks or something to work out where we should being, and deciding something like that this early in the day. this just feels like an unnecessary and forced smear on something that wasn't really off at all. the response from Cythere here is solid. while I am aware from skimming the thread a few times, that the voting method has changed since this post, the logic is still sound. and really, if what chris says here is actually true, he has some pretty farfetched methods of acquireing information. Megiddo feels slightly town for his reaction to Chris, and DCIII feels very town for his. DCIII's manner just really strikes me as town thinking and posting, dispute how little was actually said. though I'm not sure where Meggs is getting his scum read on Cythere on this post. this post feels to me as a simple legit response to Chris' bad smear. lastly, AI's fish on Meggido actually feels like a protown fish, given that it was an attempt to not waste resources on him, while fishing like that often is not a pro town action, I feel this one was taken from a town mindset.
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Page 3: I do want to briefly comment on my RVS post here. I voted Iso simply because I had really fond memories of the prequel to this game, and I wanted an excuse to remind everyone of the Wheel of Mafia. nothing more, nothing less. Will probably go back to self votes in 95% of my games.
@Chris(mostly) I really can't figure out what I think of this post. a lot of what is in it feels as though it's leading me to believe that he's not scum, but a lot of the things I'm finding off, he's specifically writing off to his playstyle, which I can accept. do you have have any way to corroborate what your saying here? like, your defensiveness does feel off to me, but if that's just how you play I'm willing to write it off. do you have a game you can link me, either on site or off, that would clearly demonstrate your posting style, regardless of alignment?
Proph's post here really just feels like a lot of words, with nothing said, and on the whole just feels off. Killjoy's post here is pretty sound, but he's missing out on the randomized roles being independent of alignment. if there were a hypothetical roleblocker, it's just as likely that that roleblocker is town. I like the prodding on wildfire, and all of the world discussion seems on point.
Wildfire's initial on hooker vote had all of the halmarks of a serious vote, and his backtrack here feels like exactly that, a backtrack. I also do want to comment here, that one or 2 games is not a meta. 2 years is a meta, 2 games is a coincidence I'd dare say at 3 you might start having meta (based on the theory once is accident, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern, that applies to almost any scenario out there, not just within mafia.) but that backtrack seems largely unnecessary, and feels overly self conscious. that and this comment by Megiddo is pretty accurate as well, though I'm not sure I find that inherently suspect, but the manner in which it's happening very will is. I also want to comment directly at wildfire: the game you're in with me is still in progress, please don't meta me for a game that's not only still going on, but I'm still alive in. last time I checked, this goes along with the whole no discussing games in progress thing. but seriously, you have a one partial game meta of me, and you're going to call my 2 post uncharacteristic. I really don't get you, and you're probably scum. this lines it out pretty much better than I probally ever could, and DCIII's probably town. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE: So, Hooker's post and the vote it garnered wasn't actually a super serious vote, but now my opening is suspicious again. so, if one could concider me and hooker to be equal in this sense, you're now backtracking on your backtrack. so, yah, your scum, and I should stop reading now, right? and those useless null reads here. really, useless read on Chris, what probally equates to a light town read on LnG, and a Seppel read on seppel disguised as a scum read. yah, this one's scum.
@Seppel: are you town? wait, you're voting wildfire already? so, we know you're seppel, but really are you town? cause you're fishing for effects as though we should just assume you are. should we just assume you are in every game, and then lynch you in every endgame you're still alive in, cause that used to be the way you were dealt with.
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Page 4: @Megiddo: I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, if we could go back in time, has wildfire gone +town or +scum in your books since you called him out and this point?
@AI: you were in seasons too, if I recall. you know as well as I do that a early mass claim would have been ***** in that game, and given the mechanics of this game being much more inline with seasons than Grim Batol, what makes you think that this would be beneficial in any way?
a lot of what's said here I completely echo. I also had completely missed the part where all the realms lost HP, not just the one we're on. but all in all that's a great post. pretty sure it's a town post too.
@hans: do you really have nothing else to talk about at this stage of the game?
did wildfire really just repost Arihn's math and call it his own, because that's what I'm reading this as. I also would like to comment here that he's assuming that A) the potential SK makes it to endgame, and B) the sk never shoots scum, both of which are bad assumptions, since simply on the odds, that will likely never happen.
just a quick comment on the wildfire/megiddo exchange here. and I find it really funny that Wildfire is either oblivious, or choses to ignore that it's his post +towning seppel, not seppel's
just gonna go ahead and +town proph here. all good posting. but really, why are there so few votes on wildfire at this point. this is getting ridiculous. this is day one of seasons all over, only this time it's not a DRay implosion. that was a solid implosion though.
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Page 5: gonna go ahead and just start out with the wildfire implosion on the whole. this is one of the worst posts I've seen in a while. though, I'm pretty much comming to the conclusion I have absolutally no idea what to make of megiddo. I have a solid town read, but all the one liners are starting to pile up, and ones like this do nothing more than reiterate the scum read he has on wildfire. but I'm continuing to not follow wildfire here. this is just so brain dead it hurts me a little, I jsut read that like 4 times and probably killed a 1000 brain cells in the process. this post by Cythare kind of says nothing, but hides it well. QFT
another wildfire smear, this is just far off I'm not even sure what insult to use here. good slam on 2 unrelated players here btw. that and it's irrelevant who meg's is voting, when he's clearly voting you in every way but the official one. there's applying suspicion in a post and then not voting someone, and then there's what's happening in this thread.
so, um this page was so many one liners I thought I might be at a Mitch Hedberg show: but on that note, good night. 1980 words. and I still have like 15 more pages. this is going to be "fun".
Please don't use "retarded" so casually. -TK
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I'm not. It's just information that is relevant to his absence.
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I would like you to bother to explain yourself at any point in regards to the points I asked about more than once. Which you still haven't done. I mean I could not care less about your frustration, your lack of explanation is why I am continuing to vote for you.
@ Niv "bad smear" talk about an "oh geesh overstatement of the year." It isn't if I razed the earth because of that, I just didn't like it so I said so. As for style I played in Castlevania mafia and kind of got similar reactions to some of the ones here. As for farfetched methods... not the first time I have heard that.
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I'm not defending him here, I'd just like some insight into your reads.
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I just saw the "want to lynch LnG or maybe hans" and was trying to figure out how he ended up as #2 when you've expressed concerns about others.
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@Wildfire: So...you're stepping up to bat for him, then.
@Cythare: No. (ANSWERING IT ANYWAY)
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Before we do that, have you read the game?
Megs's graph is a perfect Seppelscale.
On D1 & D2 of a large game, my posts are mostly notes. Also I've read maybe 50% of all the posts. I get dangerous if I live to D3.
This guy...
bugs me so much.
Ok I'm looking at the main post for the very first time and how does Megs have 6 vit and Niv have 35?
My strongest townreads are Megs and Hans. Can someone please name more townies with explanations?
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Celestial mechancis: Vitality (public), worlds (public), abilities (hidden)
Mass-claims are reasonable in location-based games where the town has to coordinate where to go in order to maximize ability usage. Also, the fact that Clock movement was a relevant "hidden" mechanic meant that it would be literally impossible to figure out how to coordinate a town's worth of abilities alongside a constantly moving Clock.
I read the game and I know you between 50% and 100% wrong.
I agree on Megs, but why Hans?
What do you think of Iso right now?
He's always town to me until I see the wacky scheme unfold. I gotta see the scheme to vote an Iso.
Either that or blatant fencesitting.
That's how I catch an Iso.
Also I'm amazing at gut-reading Hans. You can't just look at hos words, you have to think, "What IS this guy thinking?"
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Yes
Me? Why?
I have to give credit where credit is due. It was a very strong post, and it is clear to me that you are actively trying to solve the game. The fact that my read on AI differs from yours doesn't change that. I think that AI is town for suggesting a massclaim at a time where it would only make sense for town to have suggested it.
1. People who propose D1 massclaims are cool and awesome, so AI is likely town.
2. I have played a couple games with DC before and he was town in all of them. I don't see anything strikingly different in this game compared to the other games that I have played with him, which logically suggests that he is the same alignment as he was in the other games. I asked him for a scum game because, as soon as I get the time, I'd like to give it a read through to see if I can detect any difference when he is scum. If it looks similar to his play as town, then I will know that my read on him in this game is flawed.
Yes.
As of this time, I do not sense any threat in his other posts that could offset the major town tell that I got from his massclaim proposal.
Can you rephrase this? I don't really understand what you mean by mechanical.
My question wasn't rhetorical. I want to go to Rhuchperion, but I didn't want to lock it in just in case anyone had a legitimate reason for waiting until later in the day to move. It seems like nobody is opposed to moving now, so I'll go ahead and
Vote: Move to Ruchperion
Yes.
D1 sucks. Always.
You aren't serious, are you? I've only made like three posts, and they've all been unhelpful.
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The best we'll be able to get out of it is we get some people who come forward and claim that they have abilities that are good in the Mirrored Domain.
Okay, so we probably just outed our Doc and Watcher types to the scum? Sure, the Doc will be safe as long as we stay there, but we have to move to Ruchperion at some point if we're going to have it as a fallback world for the long game.
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Little things were bugging me like the saying he thinks Meg is town twice and the being so in the dark/cavalier about the game mechanics but this made me want to just quote it and vote him.
... because I have a gut feeling that this is a scum Seppel comment, thought no one would find it convincing enough on its own, but wanted to see how people reacted to it. But that got me looking through Seppel again and there was also his vote on HookerPunch:
I could see where he was coming from with this vote when he voted it, but then he moved off of HP without getting a response to the above and when HP rejoined the game there was no follow up to him. This kind of post doesn't seem like the kind of post that he would just vote and abandon/not address again. If Seppel was scumhunting, I feel like he'd be on this one still, if not in vote at least in focus. This also makes me think that if I'm right, HP is also scum because it would have been a post that Seppel felt he had to touch/couldn't just let go, but now he's let it fall to the back-burner.
Unvote: Vote: Seppel
AI is still probably scum. I could see something in the Seppel, HP, AI, Proph range. Hans looks better with his most recent post, especially where he calls Seppel out for liking him.
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This isn't a bad idea, as it doesn't seem that people are into mass-claiming atm.
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My town reads are myself, because my role PM says so, Arian, because he has his town tone, Megiddo, because duh, Rhand, because I don't remember, and you, for mystical voodoo reasons.
What if I had a wacky scheme now?
What do you think of Iso right now?
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@hans: That is an absolutely terrible reason to call anyone town and if you need convincing you should see Day 1 of Ataghan Mafia.
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That being said, I do like you post insofar as it shows that you're going back and actively scumhunting/looking for solutions.
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@Meg: you made a comment earlier about DCIII seeming scummy per something from Xymande? Can you explain that and note if you're still seeing it? From where I'm sitting, he looks good.
@554 DCIII: I think most of this post is a waste of space. for example, it seems super obv that Chris was not saying that he likes your personality. I have more to say on Seppel later.
@560: AI's contributions are not inspiring.
@561 Niv:
>Megiddo's avatar changed while I was typing this post tonight, and tired me just had my mind blown.
Get used to that.
>one can assume that Alway Etteem is best used when we have the highest town/nottown ratio, which would be most likley on day/night one
I like your reasoning on this point, and it is the first time anybody has said this to my knowledge. I don't necessarily agree with you (I think the risk that we are hurt by it is too high), but I want to highlight this for others.
I got my Cythare scumread because his post feels off. Cythare does not usually get that animated when he plays mafia. I can understand why somebody less familiar with his play would not notice this.
>if there were a hypothetical roleblocker, it's just as likely that that roleblocker is town
I actually wonder about this, but there's no reason to speculate now. While the roles are nominally randomized, I know that after Ataghan there were discussions about this. If this game took from that one... But again, it's not useful to discuss this.
>I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, if we could go back in time, has wildfire gone +town or +scum in your books since you called him out and this point?
I know you said that the question is moot, but the post you asked about was me pointing out that Wildfire did not start doing a thing until my "9/10ths" post. Basically, I saw him molding his play around what a townie was telling him to do.
>just a quick comment on the wildfire/megiddo exchange here. and I find it really funny that Wildfire is either oblivious, or choses to ignore that it's his post +towning seppel, not seppel's
I actually did mean Seppel's post.
@563 Wildfire: But seriously though, why do you keep doing this?
@573 Wildfire: lol we're reaching self-parody here.
@578 Wildfire:
@581 Seppel: I will probably claim by the end of the day but there's a reason it's 6 and not 5 or 7. I also didn't agree with you on Hans until his post later.
@582 AI: Good point on the mechanics. My counterargument to you is that Zindabad was profoundly affected by how Grim Batol devolved into a massclaim and bogged down the playerbase (I did not play or read the game so this is secondhand info regarding the game itself, however I have read posts where he has said as much about the design). I would myself be profoundly surprised if this game went well for us after a D1 massclaim. I trust Zindabad's modding instincts and I suspect he found a way to counteract the massclaim potential in a game with location mechanics. Random roles helps of course, but I think there's probably another layer we aren't seeing. My evidence for that is that we don't have something like Mow Down in this game. I could be wrong but on Day one I would like to assume the mod has taken these things into account.
@588 Hans: Yes this one makes me leantown on you.
@592 Wildfire: This is a scum post. First person to tell me why gets a
@595 DCIII: Your posts aren't helping you either.
@597 Niv: The problem with that plan is that if we move somewhere because of somebody's role... guess who gets nightkilled. Perhaps this is one of the layers I was speaking of earlier.
@599 Arian: Ah, DCIII's content level is lower when he's scum than when he's town. The fact that his response to my post was the way it was suggests that he agrees. I did forget about his IRL issues, but keep an eye on him.