See that's a bad answer to me. Because if you were town I'd expect you to ask me "Why are you assuming I am town?" because a good town is usually paranoid.
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I add the ## so I can keep track of my own votes, don't mind me.
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I gave you credit that you weren't so bad that you would make such an obvious slip. After you just said that you've been playing since 2003, I think that's a reasonable assumption to make.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Saying you noticed something only after it is pointed out that you did not is generally not a story I like to read in the game of mafia.
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The entire point was that it was not in fact a cool story. You are just full of contradictions today.
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He admits it! I need my Phoenix Wright soundtrack right now, got some CORNERED to play up in here.
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I've decided to make an alteration to the world move rules. It's overly bureaucratic and unwieldy to have to jump through the "proposal" hoop. I'm now allowing you to just vote for a move at any time, and unvote those votes as you see fit. First one to a simple majority is locked in. Because of this, I'm resetting all move votes at present.
Ending up with nowhere to move would be really bad. I believe the game is set up so that won't happen, but in that eventuality, yes, it would be a draw.
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Megiddo (3) - Prophylaxis, killjoy, Sir Chris
Wildfire393 (2) - Niv, Seppel
Sir Chris (2) - DCIII, Cythare
Seppel (1) - Megiddo
Killjoy (1) - LnGrrrR
DCIII (1) - EtR
Cythare (1) - AsianInvasion
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch.
No changes to Vitality since my last post.
I like Sir Chris's defense of himself. Part of that is because I think the whole "town are care and fancy free!" thing is BS. Town points for Sir Chris.
@DC3/Megiddo/Proph, can any of you explain the Wintertell thing DC3 is referring to?
@Wildfire, IIoA is "information instead of analysis".
For those who don't want to go to Alaway, I would like to hear the reasoning. If it's "I would like a claim first", then state that outright. "It's too early" is a poor reason.
@Killjoy, your reasoning for not going to the Mirrored Domain is because a roleblocking scum wouldn't be blocked himself. Meaning that he would just has his normal roleblock. So it would be like moving to ANY OTHER WORLD. So do you have another reason?
That wasn't my reasoning. That was telling you guys the mod got back to me with an answer.
My reasoning was just below that, as well as in earlier posts.
ITT: Cythare fakes it, wildfire tries really hard, and AsianInvasion is secretly scum but nobody will ever vote for him.
I'd vote him if I thought he was scum. Currently he just seems like a trolly AI who's trying to figure out game mechanics. That's par for the course with him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
God, I'm losing track of all the players in the game and wish I could do a mini-PBPA on everyone in the thread, like Day 1 of Social Engineering. (I'm in my hotel room on my iPad)
@Wildfire
I'll condense the case against you later, but it's not just because of the RVS vote.
Wildfire, I doublechecked your initial posts in Deus Ex and Castlevania and I think Arnnaria was the one who messed up RVS in Deus Ex, not you. In Castlevania you were aggressive in hounding players not voting (Dels) and I think you were aggressive in both RVSes in those games.
I see this totally lacking in this game. In this game, you're talking mostly about mechanics, and backpedalled off the HookerPunch vote and didn't vote until you were called out on it. The AI vote reads like deflection.
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Also, Proph has proven pretty good at nailing scum for RVS posts. I know there was at least one game where he nailed two scum off the bat, then questioned his instincts as the game went on. (Can't remember which game but I can find it if need be.)
Apocalypse Mafia. I'm still mad about backpedalling on my early game reads on Cantrip, AE, Rodemy scum.
I want Megiddo to answer me directly: Why are you keeping your RVS vote on Seppel when you suspect three people already? He's clearly aware of it, but I'm scratching my head.
God, I'm losing track of all the players in the game and wish I could do a mini-PBPA on everyone in the thread, like Day 1 of Social Engineering. (I'm in my hotel room on my iPad)
@Wildfire
I'll condense the case against you later, but it's not just because of the RVS vote.
Wildfire, I doublechecked your initial posts in Deus Ex and Castlevania and I think Arnnaria was the one who messed up RVS in Deus Ex, not you. In Castlevania you were aggressive in hounding players not voting (Dels) and I think you were aggressive in both RVSes in those games.
I see this totally lacking in this game. In this game, you're talking mostly about mechanics, and backpedalled off the HookerPunch vote and didn't vote until you were called out on it. The AI vote reads like deflection.
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Also, Proph has proven pretty good at nailing scum for RVS posts. I know there was at least one game where he nailed two scum off the bat, then questioned his instincts as the game went on. (Can't remember which game but I can find it if need be.)
Apocalypse Mafia. I'm still mad about backpedalling on my early game reads on Cantrip, AE, Rodemy scum.
I want Megiddo to answer me directly: Why are you keeping your RVS vote on Seppel when you suspect three people already? He's clearly aware of it, but I'm scratching my head.
In Deus Ex, I opened up with a vote on Void where I hounded him for not giving content in his opening post. I missed the part where he promised content later because he had IRL stuff going on and it blew up in my face because of that.
In Castlevania, I voted Dels for not RVSing, and immediately had Dels, Sir Chris, and masterplum up in my business over that vote.
I should really just stop trying this RVS-pressure thing altogether, because every time I do people find a way to turn it around on me.
As for HookerPunch here, I misinterpreted her not voting for herself. When she emphasized there was a reason for it, I realized that she probably has something wonky going on with her vote. I assumed Double Voter, but it looks like that's not the case since she's claiming she can't vote at all.
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Why would you cite plum from Castlevania, he was scum.
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Yeah but hooker said there was a reason for it in the same post. Please show me where you realized this exactly.
In HP's #31 she says she'll "let me figure out the reasons on my own". It was at that point that I realized that her "reasons" for not voting herself were likely not just that she was avoiding doing something she catches flak for every game, but rather a mechanical reason.
Why would you cite plum from Castlevania, he was scum.
Point is that people have a tendency to attack me over my attempts at semi-serious RVS votes. I didn't say those people had to be town.
Note that I've found that town tends to engage me over it (like you and Dels in Castlevania, and I'm assuming Proph/Megs here), while scum tends to just point out my scumminess and leave others to do the dirty work (like Plum in Castlevania and, I'd venture a guess, Seppel here)
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The problem with your point Wildfire is why does it matter? Why would you, as town, change how you go into a game? In fact why would you change the way you go into a game if you thought you had a pattern as you describe in Castlevania. If it was me I would do exactly what I did in Castlevania and compare notes to the reactions, not shy away from being attacked. Especially given that town won Castlevania! With you being alive at the end, no less. It isn't as if the early attacks did you much harm there. Something sinister lurking in your heart, Wildfire?
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I don't understand.
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I'm not saying I've done anything differently. I'm saying I've done things the same. This here right now is the same thing that happened in Castlevania (a bunch of people jumping on me for a semi-serious RVS vote).
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Not that I'm defending Cythare, but that doesn't seem like a terribly accurate description of his play. According to Megiddo, he's trying way too hard to stand out as a scumhunter.
Considering I had a legitimate reason to speculate on the existence of a second source of killing (to determine the probable game length and thus the necessity of going to Ruchperion), make of it what you will. As far as I'm concerned, if there is a SK, it's just another scum to me.
Fumbling RVS as town is something of a specialty of mine. He's welcome to hound on it all he wants, but he really should know better, considering he's replaced into a game where I did it (Deus Ex) and mentored me for another game where I did it (Castlevania), both as town.
This (the bolded part) seems like a pointless statement. When isn't an SK considered scum, and why do you feel the need to say it?
Cyth: LnG had just said that scum sometimes hunt third parties. I assume because it's scumhunting they can legitimately do. I was asserting that that was not my intention when I brought up the SK.
Well, now that that's cleared up...
Stating something doesn't make it true, and the wording you used seemed forced - an SK is a third-party, but it is scum, and the wording you used made it seem like you were defending your potential SK hunting as though they were scum, rather than actually just saying that you will scumhunt and hey maybe it's an SK instead of Mafia.
Cythare I think has made a bad logical assumption. He thinks I thought he was scummy. No, I thought he made a post was a post scum could make and so I decided to investigate it. Please don't mistake me: When I think someone is being outright scummy I won't hold my vote and I know how to use the word scummy. But if you are town I need to see things that tell me you are town so I don't go after you. I try my best to use specific words to suti specific situations, and not being a fan of a post means I think it is a bad post. Bad doesn't always mean scum. Thinking about it you've gone two things I generally like since that post in a) giving me the information I wanted right after (which I pointed out) and b) people have voted you for no good reason. Okay you didn't do the second one but yeah.
The language in #34 definitely seemed more clear-cut than you're making it out to be here. I still don't see how it was a bad post based on what I explained since, but that's a separate matter.
Also I forget who said it (and I am pressed for time) but the people who brought up mass claiming are more town to me than scum because that's a pretty random thought for scum to have.
Why is this something you think that town are more likely to bring up than scum?
This is where I am right now. I spent a good part of Deus Ex badgering Wildfire based on his play and what eventually got me to town read him was that he stayed pretty calm and level, had explanations for his actions that made sense, didn't change his behavior, and there was a matter-of-factness to his play. Here there's an underlying edge to his tone - kind of a quippiness that makes me think he's putting on a front.
"If you say so"
"Okay Asian, let's hear it"
"Even Seppel?"
"I'm thinking more like AI is scum with you"
"Mad as in crazy? Well, we're all a little mad, aren't we?"
These are lines I wouldn't expect to see from a town Wildfire.
Unvote: Vote: Wildfire
AI doesn't feel right either - partially from Wildfire's show of switching to him, "So I'd say you're right about him. But you also said no one would vote him. Vote AsianInvasion. Guess you're still wrong."
But also because his line to Wildfire about "two players with a fair amount of clout are voting you" I don't like, and I don't believe that he believes the case he's making on Cythare.
Also wary of Killjoy (#159 only focuses on the AI portion of Meg's post and makes the point that he would be willing to vote AI if he thought he was scummy. Feels the need to clarify that RVS is over when unvoting Meg seven pages into the game)
and Arianrhod (#110 reads very apologetic for suspecting Cythare).
@ Cythare I just re-read 34 and I can see how you could think I meant you were scummy but really I think it becomes clear with how I've discussed other people today that I say different things (and vote) if I think scum is about.
As for the mass it goes back to one of the basics for me: scum don't usually go out of their way to bring the spotlight to themselves. To have weird, strange ideas that then turn into bold stands. I mentioned this isn't foolproof logic and some people have done very strange things indeed to subvert my expectations, but suggesting a mass claim day 1 is indeed very bold for a scum to make.
DCIII could you explain the mixed feelings you have on me? Thanks.
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Well DC is giving me Townie vibes.
I'm a big fan of Arian's math post, mostly because it saves me from doing it myself. I also got a town vibe from that post. So leaning town to Arian.
Iso came in the game as I'd expect him to.
Any reasons for any of those scum, Iso? Also, I'm curious... why four scum? Typical scum ratio is 25%-33%... which in this game makes it 5-7.
Zombied: I assume you're voting FOR Alway? Why?
Actually... if others can say why they think Alway is a good idea (especially this early) can you please do so? I've already given my reasons why it's not optimal.
Also, zombied: Why kpaca?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I didn't accuse of you stymieing conversation, but merely posting without any real intent. To me it is fairly easy to be against something in the early going in a mafia game. It isn't hard as scum to simply say "no, I disagree." What I look for in town play is not the disagreement, but the birth of new ideas and new direction. Creation is often something I give credit to town more than scum, simply because scum faking creating puts a burden on them. It isn't a 100% ratio either way, but I like to see it. I didn't see it in your post, and so I didn't like it. The roleblock thing may just be me misunderstanding how it would work against how I see roleblocks normally work, along with the way vitality works in the game. When I think of someone roleblocking themselves I think of their own roleblock failing, but maybe that's not how it'd jive here.
...uh huh. Here, your stated reason for singling out Cythare was him 'posting without any real intent', presumably meaning posting only about the mechanics of the Worlds and nothing else... which was what pretty much 80% of everyone posting at that point was doing.
But no, apparently you also did so because he disagreed with the Alway Eteem move, and it's apparently 'easy to disagree' early on. Then why not Killjoy, who just quietly threw up a counterproposal with no particular reason to it?
Okay, then... 'not presenting new ideas and new direction'. Then why say nothing about Megiddo, who very quite literally offers no opinion, no committal, and no direction?
This whole explanation for why you mentioned Cythare stinks. I don't see any real reason for you to have singled out Cythare in particular on page 2.
Cythare I think has made a bad logical assumption. He thinks I thought he was scummy. No, I thought he made a post was a post scum could make and so I decided to investigate it. Please don't mistake me: When I think someone is being outright scummy I won't hold my vote and I know how to use the word scummy. But if you are town I need to see things that tell me you are town so I don't go after you. I try my best to use specific words to suti specific situations, and not being a fan of a post means I think it is a bad post. Bad doesn't always mean scum. Thinking about it you've gone two things I generally like since that post in a) giving me the information I wanted right after (which I pointed out) and b) people have voted you for no good reason. Okay you didn't do the second one but yeah.
I am probably a bad person for seeing Arianrhod's huge post about the worlds and thinking to myself "This is such a scum post." I admit this is unfair of me to say, but it was such obvious overkill. So many words that could have been better spent discussing players after a certain point. Overwhelming posts tend to worry me. Mind you they only worry me from very skilled players, and I don't know if Arianrhod has that reputation or not.
One game here and I have been playing mafia consistently since 2003, to answer a question.
Yes. Yes you are a bad person for that, because I don't see any reason for mafia to go to that kind of effort early on day 1 and actually post it in-thread. I've also run the math and see no fault in his reasoning as far as I can see.
In fact, I really don't see any way someone can sincerely try to paint that post as coming from scum. Except, of course, for scum trying to discredit someone who just came off as strongly town.
Also I forget who said it (and I am pressed for time) but the people who brought up mass claiming are more town to me than scum because that's a pretty random thought for scum to have.
Really. Those in favour of a massclaim, in a game with random role assignments, in a Specialty-level game, are more town to you than scum.
Try pulling the other one. It's not only got bells on, it turns on the lights and the stereo, too.
I like Sir Chris's defense of himself. Part of that is because I think the whole "town are care and fancy free!" thing is BS. Town points for Sir Chris.
Wait, what? Explain.
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I need to look at just who suggested massclaiming in the first place, as well as look over Wildfire again. I didn't see anything particularly wrong with him on the first skim of these 8 pages, though.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So far I haven't liked Cythare, Sir Chris, or Wildfire -- Cythare is mostly gut, Sir Chris because of his interactions with Cythare (which, early on especially, read like bad attempts at distancing) + half-hearted attacks on multiple players, and Wildfire because he's spammier than Iso normally is + very flippant in his replies.
@Des, AI suggested mass claim in the first place. Re: Sir Chris defense of himself, I have said it in a few games now. I don't think town can "post carefree" any moreso than scum can. If town starts posting stupidly, then they usually get mislynched unless they are a PR. Sir Chris being defensive about getting attention gives me a townie vibe. I would think if he was scum he would just blow it off until the heat built up a little.
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@Karn, Rezombied, could you provide something more than an easy hop onto the Wildfire wagon?
...uh huh. Here, your stated reason for singling out Cythare was him 'posting without any real intent', presumably meaning posting only about the mechanics of the Worlds and nothing else... which was what pretty much 80% of everyone posting at that point was doing.
Presumably meaning... is where you went wrong. An honest mistake, I am sure. What I meant, and what I actually said somewhere, is that I wanted to hear less disagreement and more in the way of what he thought we should do. It is amazing that he did this shortly after I said what I said, and all was solved!
If that paragraph reads like backtracking, then I am afraid you cannot tell the difference between clarification and backtracking, which is tragic for you.
If I am a bad person for that then I'd like to know what you think of meg who said that the person in question doing that was actually a scum tell from them. Also I find it amusing that you believe mafia would not put in effort of a nature that is in reality very obvious (it takes no unique perspective to run the math, as you did the double checking quite easily) but on the flip side me thinking it is bizarre for a scum to run around talking about mass claims is clearly lunacy. If you are town you are not good at recognizing slight perspective differences on what we believe it is town and scum to do, or you are very silly scum.
I guess it is going to be backtracking when I note that it isn't like I voted him for it or anything, it is just that the thought occurred to me that it could be a scum post and I am rather big on documenting my thoughts as I go so when I re-read I can get a sense for what I was thinking at the time versus any new insight I may have gleaned. I mean if you think going over the worlds in such huge detail is town I am happy for you but I find it pretty weird that all it takes for you to fall in love with someone is a pure discussion of the game mechanics. But hey your heart is your heart.
Also people tell me I have weird views on things, I don't get what 'speciality-level' game even really means. I was convinced that there could be a bp/doctor combo in a basic for days mind you so the specifics of different game types here may be a bit lost on me. Is there something about this type of game that makes my logic broken? I'd love to hear it. I just go off of my own experiences, it's really all I have.
One last thing 'bad attempt at distancing' what does this even mean. For one I am insulted that you think I don't know how to distance that's some pretty basic stuff, and secondly I don't know how literally asking Cythare for more content qualifies as distancing. Or is that what makes it bad, in that it is exactly what I did not do.
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I add the ## so I can keep track of my own votes, don't mind me.
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I gave you credit that you weren't so bad that you would make such an obvious slip. After you just said that you've been playing since 2003, I think that's a reasonable assumption to make.
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Ending up with nowhere to move would be really bad. I believe the game is set up so that won't happen, but in that eventuality, yes, it would be a draw.
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Megiddo (3) - Prophylaxis, killjoy, Sir Chris
Wildfire393 (2) - Niv, Seppel
Sir Chris (2) - DCIII, Cythare
Seppel (1) - Megiddo
Killjoy (1) - LnGrrrR
DCIII (1) - EtR
Cythare (1) - AsianInvasion
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch.
No changes to Vitality since my last post.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
My reasoning was just below that, as well as in earlier posts.
I'd vote him if I thought he was scum. Currently he just seems like a trolly AI who's trying to figure out game mechanics. That's par for the course with him.
Unvote Meg RVS is over.
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God, I'm losing track of all the players in the game and wish I could do a mini-PBPA on everyone in the thread, like Day 1 of Social Engineering. (I'm in my hotel room on my iPad)
@Wildfire
I'll condense the case against you later, but it's not just because of the RVS vote.
Wildfire, I doublechecked your initial posts in Deus Ex and Castlevania and I think Arnnaria was the one who messed up RVS in Deus Ex, not you. In Castlevania you were aggressive in hounding players not voting (Dels) and I think you were aggressive in both RVSes in those games.
I see this totally lacking in this game. In this game, you're talking mostly about mechanics, and backpedalled off the HookerPunch vote and didn't vote until you were called out on it. The AI vote reads like deflection.
Apocalypse Mafia. I'm still mad about backpedalling on my early game reads on Cantrip, AE, Rodemy scum.
I want Megiddo to answer me directly: Why are you keeping your RVS vote on Seppel when you suspect three people already? He's clearly aware of it, but I'm scratching my head.
It looks like Zinda missed my vote on AsianInvasion though.
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In Deus Ex, I opened up with a vote on Void where I hounded him for not giving content in his opening post. I missed the part where he promised content later because he had IRL stuff going on and it blew up in my face because of that.
In Castlevania, I voted Dels for not RVSing, and immediately had Dels, Sir Chris, and masterplum up in my business over that vote.
I should really just stop trying this RVS-pressure thing altogether, because every time I do people find a way to turn it around on me.
As for HookerPunch here, I misinterpreted her not voting for herself. When she emphasized there was a reason for it, I realized that she probably has something wonky going on with her vote. I assumed Double Voter, but it looks like that's not the case since she's claiming she can't vote at all.
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nah bro
Good eye. Liking this guy as town.
I'm thinking more like AI is scum with you.
In HP's #31 she says she'll "let me figure out the reasons on my own". It was at that point that I realized that her "reasons" for not voting herself were likely not just that she was avoiding doing something she catches flak for every game, but rather a mechanical reason.
Point is that people have a tendency to attack me over my attempts at semi-serious RVS votes. I didn't say those people had to be town.
Note that I've found that town tends to engage me over it (like you and Dels in Castlevania, and I'm assuming Proph/Megs here), while scum tends to just point out my scumminess and leave others to do the dirty work (like Plum in Castlevania and, I'd venture a guess, Seppel here)
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I don't understand.
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Even Cythare?
Other than that I can buy what you're selling.
Why, in your own words, do you think Cythare is scum?
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Eh, he can still be town.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Not that I'm defending Cythare, but that doesn't seem like a terribly accurate description of his play. According to Megiddo, he's trying way too hard to stand out as a scumhunter.
If you say so.
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These first two posts read as forced.
After Meg calls you out you basically stop talking.
I stopped talking after Meg called me out because his posting style leaves no room for discussion. Don't confuse that with not trying to make waves.
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And there are more productive ways to interact with Meg than to completely shut down. I would hope that you would be able to see that.
The language in #34 definitely seemed more clear-cut than you're making it out to be here. I still don't see how it was a bad post based on what I explained since, but that's a separate matter.
Why is this something you think that town are more likely to bring up than scum?
Nice rebuttal.
I can, but can't be bothered right now. Probably tomorrow.
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This is where I am right now. I spent a good part of Deus Ex badgering Wildfire based on his play and what eventually got me to town read him was that he stayed pretty calm and level, had explanations for his actions that made sense, didn't change his behavior, and there was a matter-of-factness to his play. Here there's an underlying edge to his tone - kind of a quippiness that makes me think he's putting on a front.
"If you say so"
"Okay Asian, let's hear it"
"Even Seppel?"
"I'm thinking more like AI is scum with you"
"Mad as in crazy? Well, we're all a little mad, aren't we?"
These are lines I wouldn't expect to see from a town Wildfire.
Unvote: Vote: Wildfire
AI doesn't feel right either - partially from Wildfire's show of switching to him, "So I'd say you're right about him. But you also said no one would vote him. Vote AsianInvasion. Guess you're still wrong."
But also because his line to Wildfire about "two players with a fair amount of clout are voting you" I don't like, and I don't believe that he believes the case he's making on Cythare.
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and Arianrhod (#110 reads very apologetic for suspecting Cythare).
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Vote: Wildfire
As for the mass it goes back to one of the basics for me: scum don't usually go out of their way to bring the spotlight to themselves. To have weird, strange ideas that then turn into bold stands. I mentioned this isn't foolproof logic and some people have done very strange things indeed to subvert my expectations, but suggesting a mass claim day 1 is indeed very bold for a scum to make.
DCIII could you explain the mixed feelings you have on me? Thanks.
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I'm a big fan of Arian's math post, mostly because it saves me from doing it myself. I also got a town vibe from that post. So leaning town to Arian.
Iso came in the game as I'd expect him to.
Any reasons for any of those scum, Iso? Also, I'm curious... why four scum? Typical scum ratio is 25%-33%... which in this game makes it 5-7.
Zombied: I assume you're voting FOR Alway? Why?
Actually... if others can say why they think Alway is a good idea (especially this early) can you please do so? I've already given my reasons why it's not optimal.
Also, zombied: Why kpaca?
Question. Why was your immediate reaction to a proposed move to Alway Eteem to counterpropose a move to Ruchperion?
@Sir Chris
...uh huh. Here, your stated reason for singling out Cythare was him 'posting without any real intent', presumably meaning posting only about the mechanics of the Worlds and nothing else... which was what pretty much 80% of everyone posting at that point was doing.
But no, apparently you also did so because he disagreed with the Alway Eteem move, and it's apparently 'easy to disagree' early on. Then why not Killjoy, who just quietly threw up a counterproposal with no particular reason to it?
Okay, then... 'not presenting new ideas and new direction'. Then why say nothing about Megiddo, who very quite literally offers no opinion, no committal, and no direction?
This whole explanation for why you mentioned Cythare stinks. I don't see any real reason for you to have singled out Cythare in particular on page 2.
This whole paragraph reads like backtracking.
Yes. Yes you are a bad person for that, because I don't see any reason for mafia to go to that kind of effort early on day 1 and actually post it in-thread. I've also run the math and see no fault in his reasoning as far as I can see.
In fact, I really don't see any way someone can sincerely try to paint that post as coming from scum. Except, of course, for scum trying to discredit someone who just came off as strongly town.
Really. Those in favour of a massclaim, in a game with random role assignments, in a Specialty-level game, are more town to you than scum.
Try pulling the other one. It's not only got bells on, it turns on the lights and the stereo, too.
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Wait, what? Explain.
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I need to look at just who suggested massclaiming in the first place, as well as look over Wildfire again. I didn't see anything particularly wrong with him on the first skim of these 8 pages, though.
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@Killjoy: Iso cited 5 scum there, not 4.
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So far I haven't liked Cythare, Sir Chris, or Wildfire -- Cythare is mostly gut, Sir Chris because of his interactions with Cythare (which, early on especially, read like bad attempts at distancing) + half-hearted attacks on multiple players, and Wildfire because he's spammier than Iso normally is + very flippant in his replies.
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Presumably meaning... is where you went wrong. An honest mistake, I am sure. What I meant, and what I actually said somewhere, is that I wanted to hear less disagreement and more in the way of what he thought we should do. It is amazing that he did this shortly after I said what I said, and all was solved!
If that paragraph reads like backtracking, then I am afraid you cannot tell the difference between clarification and backtracking, which is tragic for you.
If I am a bad person for that then I'd like to know what you think of meg who said that the person in question doing that was actually a scum tell from them. Also I find it amusing that you believe mafia would not put in effort of a nature that is in reality very obvious (it takes no unique perspective to run the math, as you did the double checking quite easily) but on the flip side me thinking it is bizarre for a scum to run around talking about mass claims is clearly lunacy. If you are town you are not good at recognizing slight perspective differences on what we believe it is town and scum to do, or you are very silly scum.
I guess it is going to be backtracking when I note that it isn't like I voted him for it or anything, it is just that the thought occurred to me that it could be a scum post and I am rather big on documenting my thoughts as I go so when I re-read I can get a sense for what I was thinking at the time versus any new insight I may have gleaned. I mean if you think going over the worlds in such huge detail is town I am happy for you but I find it pretty weird that all it takes for you to fall in love with someone is a pure discussion of the game mechanics. But hey your heart is your heart.
Also people tell me I have weird views on things, I don't get what 'speciality-level' game even really means. I was convinced that there could be a bp/doctor combo in a basic for days mind you so the specifics of different game types here may be a bit lost on me. Is there something about this type of game that makes my logic broken? I'd love to hear it. I just go off of my own experiences, it's really all I have.
One last thing 'bad attempt at distancing' what does this even mean. For one I am insulted that you think I don't know how to distance that's some pretty basic stuff, and secondly I don't know how literally asking Cythare for more content qualifies as distancing. Or is that what makes it bad, in that it is exactly what I did not do.
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