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Iso is presumably having TNT strapped to him pretty often, since he's likely to be lynched eventually. Therefore, he should only ever be the hammer, since he won't take anyone with him.
Tanarin on the other hand has a very low likelihood of having been sainted even if he's somehow town; he was considered to be town by most yesterDay, and therefore made for a poor saint target.
Lynching Iso is horrible idea. He makes a much better hammer.
Except on the off chance that Iso is actually town he probably has a saint point or two and could easily clean up some actual scum for us. This is what I've been trying to say for the longest time. I'm interested in seeing some heads of scum roll.
My vote is just on Asenion still because I feel stronger about that lynch toDay.
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Wow JAR's case is bad. If Iso is town, JAR flipping scum will be the onyl reason I'm not surprised.
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OK, now that I can post more, time to post my thoughts:
@Asenion: If I am understanding you correctly, your case on me basically amounts to you thinking I A) hopped around my vote too much and B) was careful WHERE I placed my vote. As for A, I don't think your vote analysis proved more than the fact that yes my vote did move, and possibly quite a bit. As for B, I don't think that has as much weight as you may think due to the fact that Kami did not have any saint votes on him, and we have no way to prove my other votes do have any on them. Now if one of the people I voted for did flip with saint points on them, you may have a better case, as of now though, it feels circumstantial at best.
You also try to point out that I may have moved my vote to kami due to a scumbuddy. Here is the question for you, if I am scum, who is my scumbuddy? You seem to very handily leave this out of your case/vote analysis. One would think if you had me pegged as scum, you would also have a scumbuddy for me as well.
The third problem I see in your posts is the total ignoring of the fact that I was suspicious of Kami for the latter half of the day. Yes, at first I was not, but iRebel made a good point I thought was worth going on. This is given the fact that we were only 150 posts into the game and already burned 9 days. There was at the time, and up until recently, total apathy in this game. And later on, I was definitely suspicious enough to place a vote on him (BS T/S list, general action in game.) You make it seem like though I am being completely lazy though and ignore those posts.
@Wheat: Yes, i did go after Karn, and for a while he was one of my bigger scumsuspects. But to make it seem like I suddenly flip in my views of karn is a stretch. Yes I may not have said that, and if I should have said why, I am sorry to upset you. Though if that is a scumtell, then maybe you need to go after others in this game who have done the same thing.
You also said I did not commit to a Kami lynch? May want to check your history there. Hell may want to check Asenion's vote analysis. I was on their early and later on as well. As for the activity thing. Yes I did complain about it, as I did Day one, and i was already on a wagon at the time (Kami IIRC, may have been Jey, again too arsed to check ATM.) As for day 2, again activity was down, and I did agree with Karn that people need to post more. Not only does it make reading people easier, but let's face it, a game with low posting is a boring as hell game. This is from both a town or scum perspective (Though obviously a game where the town is hardly posting benefits scum, it's still boring though.) The fact that you turn this particular post against me shows you may be tunneling me a bit too hard.
Now as for your questions:
The circumstances are simple. I have been on record in multiple games that I can't read Iso. I can gauge others though, and I felt at the time making a vote (Despite it being crappy,) was worth it if only to see if I could either:
A) get some sort of reaction, ANY reaction for that matter, from Iso that I could actually use to determine his alignment.
B) Also again as has been noted, the game had slowed to a glacial pace (33 posts on 4 and a half days is very low for 11 people IMO.) A vote on Iso (No matter how bad,) at least has sparked people to actually post in this game, which was part of my intent. May not be what you want to hear, but the truth hurts sometime.
As for why I did not push for someone I thought was scum, simply put, I did not have the strongest of reads on anyone. By that point my view on Karn had changed, Jey was reading town, Iso is Iso to me, and I was not going to vote shockwave until his replacement came in and actually contributed (and I could actually get a read on him/his replacement). I could have voted iRebel, but I was kinda meh on that one, as again, he had not said too much this game, same for JAR.
Now you ask me why I would vote for Iso if I knew I was gonna get ran up like that? Well how was I supposed to know. You make it sound like I somehow planned this with Iso. To answer your question though:
As Town) See above yet again (You really seem to be asking the same questions over and over I am noticing)
As Scum) Honestly, as scum I would not make this vote. The game at the time was pretty stalled out, and staying silent is a way better move as scum at that point than sticking one's neck out at that juncture. With so many idlers and lurkers, scum would not stick out any more than lazy town, and could easily hide enough to get to 12 saint points or get enough on a player to cause a massive backlash tomorrow/a later day.
As for your last fully agreeing with Karn. Well bite me. He said something I was about to say, but said it before I could, so I agreed with him. Happens all the time with my normal posting schedule (Mainly at night.)
Tanarin's post didn't gave me any particularly bad vibes, and to which i assumed was definitely possible with all the good points brought up. I don't see any issuees with here.
Still not voting Tanarin.
Tanarin, could you post a T/S list for me? It'd give me a good idea where you stand overall.
Also I think there's some people who didn't post this entire weekend, which is odd since you'd think weekends are when people have time. (inb4 'it's when i get other stuff done')
Sorry for the long absence. Got a little crazy this weekend. I want everyone's opinion on Tanarin and the evidence against him in the next 24 hours if possible. With deadline approaching we need to see if this is a lynchable wagon or if we need to go back to voting for Iso.
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OK, now that I can post more, time to post my thoughts:
@Asenion: If I am understanding you correctly, your case on me basically amounts to you thinking I A) hopped around my vote too much and B) was careful WHERE I placed my vote. As for A, I don't think your vote analysis proved more than the fact that yes my vote did move, and possibly quite a bit. As for B, I don't think that has as much weight as you may think due to the fact that Kami did not have any saint votes on him, and we have no way to prove my other votes do have any on them. Now if one of the people I voted for did flip with saint points on them, you may have a better case, as of now though, it feels circumstantial at best.
It has nothing to do with Saint Points. Just regular old scummy voting patterns. You moved your vote to each wagon that started gaining steam and in EVERY case your only reason posted was barning someone else. You did none of your own leg work and didn't bother to even explain what you personally found scummy as you voted for four different people in rapid succession.
This post also stinks of "You are catching me for the wrong things! They didn't even have saint points!"
You also try to point out that I may have moved my vote to kami due to a scumbuddy. Here is the question for you, if I am scum, who is my scumbuddy? You seem to very handily leave this out of your case/vote analysis. One would think if you had me pegged as scum, you would also have a scumbuddy for me as well.
That isn't even remotely how this works. You are scum. I suspect the Kami lynch was encouraged by scum at some point. I am NOT required to find your scumbuddy before lynching you.
And more importantly, I simply didn't have time to finish the analysis Thursday evening. I pointed out the exact post range in which I believe the scoundrel will be found, but no one was willing to help with the leg work.
The third problem I see in your posts is the total ignoring of the fact that I was suspicious of Kami for the latter half of the day. Yes, at first I was not, but iRebel made a good point I thought was worth going on. This is given the fact that we were only 150 posts into the game and already burned 9 days. There was at the time, and up until recently, total apathy in this game. And later on, I was definitely suspicious enough to place a vote on him (BS T/S list, general action in game.) You make it seem like though I am being completely lazy though and ignore those posts.
Show me a post where you showed significant suspicion of Kami BEFORE your vote was placed on him. I found none, but I was mostly focusing on votes and the snippets of conversation leading directly to them.
This rebuttal reads to me like scum whining at being caught for the wrong reasons, trying to handwave evidence, and somehow claiming that he shouldn't be lynched unless we catch his scumbuddy simultaneously. I don't care how few Saint Points you knew the people you were voting had on them Tan. I care that you acted in a self-motivated fashion to lynch whoever was most convenient and did zero scumhunting yourself along the way.
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Sorry for the long absence. Got a little crazy this weekend. I want everyone's opinion on Tanarin and the evidence against him in the next 24 hours if possible. With deadline approaching we need to see if this is a lynchable wagon or if we need to go back to voting for Iso.
Wheat's case is mostly just built around Tan's changing read on Karn which isn't particularly scummy unless I'm missing something. The other points he stated are all reaching to some degree. Obviously my preference is for people to return to the Iso wagon.
@Wheat: Yes, i did go after Karn, and for a while he was one of my bigger scumsuspects. But to make it seem like I suddenly flip in my views of karn is a stretch. Yes I may not have said that, and if I should have said why, I am sorry to upset you. Though if that is a scumtell, then maybe you need to go after others in this game who have done the same thing.
But you do suddenly flip in your views of Karn. You go from #1 scumspect to never mentioning you think he's scum again, and never state why.
I do not accept this.
You also said I did not commit to a Kami lynch? May want to check your history there. Hell may want to check Asenion's vote analysis. I was on their early and later on as well. As for the activity thing. Yes I did complain about it, as I did Day one, and i was already on a wagon at the time (Kami IIRC, may have been Jey, again too arsed to check ATM.) As for day 2, again activity was down, and I did agree with Karn that people need to post more. Not only does it make reading people easier, but let's face it, a game with low posting is a boring as hell game. This is from both a town or scum perspective (Though obviously a game where the town is hardly posting benefits scum, it's still boring though.) The fact that you turn this particular post against me shows you may be tunneling me a bit too hard.
As I recall it was a singular post or at best 2-3 which made me feel that way with you and Kami; give me proof I'm wrong.
What particular post are you talking about at the end? I don't think I called you scum for being against low posting, only because you really weren't doing much to shake up the game at the same time (which is also sort of weak but not one of my main points either).
Now as for your questions:
The circumstances are simple. I have been on record in multiple games that I can't read Iso. I can gauge others though, and I felt at the time making a vote (Despite it being crappy,) was worth it if only to see if I could either:
A) get some sort of reaction, ANY reaction for that matter, from Iso that I could actually use to determine his alignment.
B) Also again as has been noted, the game had slowed to a glacial pace (33 posts on 4 and a half days is very low for 11 people IMO.) A vote on Iso (No matter how bad,) at least has sparked people to actually post in this game, which was part of my intent. May not be what you want to hear, but the truth hurts sometime.
I don't think you actually believe this.
Your idea of making people actually post was to do the same thing a couple of other people were doing. That doesn't make sense.
As for why I did not push for someone I thought was scum, simply put, I did not have the strongest of reads on anyone. By that point my view on Karn had changed, Jey was reading town, Iso is Iso to me, and I was not going to vote shockwave until his replacement came in and actually contributed (and I could actually get a read on him/his replacement). I could have voted iRebel, but I was kinda meh on that one, as again, he had not said too much this game, same for JAR.
Why did you flip on Karn? You never said in all this.
Now you ask me why I would vote for Iso if I knew I was gonna get ran up like that? Well how was I supposed to know. You make it sound like I somehow planned this with Iso. To answer your question though:
As Town) See above yet again (You really seem to be asking the same questions over and over I am noticing)
As Scum) Honestly, as scum I would not make this vote. The game at the time was pretty stalled out, and staying silent is a way better move as scum at that point than sticking one's neck out at that juncture. With so many idlers and lurkers, scum would not stick out any more than lazy town, and could easily hide enough to get to 12 saint points or get enough on a player to cause a massive backlash tomorrow/a later day.
No, I don't think you planned it with Iso. What I think is that you're telling me bull*****.
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I can't believe the apathy going on right now. I asked everyone a question and I've gotten no responses. People who aren't on the TANARIN wagon need to speak up and voice their opinions ASAP before deadline is upon is.
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Asenion: I wasn't sold on the initial Asenion/shockwave wagon as it literally felt like it was based on Shock not only being not present, but also the fact that what he did say was typical shock foot in mouth issues. Asenion though has rubbed me the wrong way. His attack on me feels as if he took the easiest possible way to go after me and went head first.
Iso: His sudden absence has been alarming in a way. He has not really attempted to push the wagon on myself of late, and has basically disappeared from this game. He is basically letting others do his dirty work without getting himself involved.
Possible scum:
On the off chance one of the two are not scum, this is where I would be looking next.
iRebel: His current AFKness I can explain as I talk to him OOG (Though the timing could not be worse.) Thing is though he has been basically floating through this game, which may not be a bad thing for the 2nd scum buddy to be doing in the long run, as there are enough lurkers to basically blend in
Bolly: Again, has not been too active. Though I feel he may be less likely to be scum as when he has posted he has posted content.
Niv: Also seems to be basically floating this game. The first half of his posts all seem to be catch up, then he basically does not take a stance other than an obvious Lynch the lurker position.
Neutral:
Void: He is basically been reading... well like a void to me. He has been gone since the 10th and does not have much else to really go on.
Likely Town:
JAR: Weakest of my town reads. He has been lurking, but has also taken the controversial position of basically defending myself. Given he has already had some heat on him from others in this game, I can not see him also taking the positions he has had as scum. It seems way too risky at this point given the position he is in.
JeY: Again, took some early heat, but more so than that, has taken to the position of defending Kami and myself.
Karn: Did I suspect him at first, yes. But as the game went on, I realized he was being way too stubborn to be scum and actually believing what he was saying, and he was starting to think quite a few of the same things I was thinking as well.
Wheat: Has been a major pusher on my wagon, but I feel his eagerness is coming more from a town PoV as opposed to a scum one. He seems to be actually putting in more work on his case than others.
Prodded iRebel and Void, the latter of whom really deserved it. Come on, guys.
e: though Void was apparently last online when he last posted, which was on the 10th. So, uh, I'm not exactly holding my breath here. I'll post for a replacement now, 'cause I assume I'll need at least one, and if that doesn't work, *makes zipping sound with his mouth* raining modkills.
I can't believe the apathy going on right now. I asked everyone a question and I've gotten no responses. People who aren't on the TANARIN wagon need to speak up and voice their opinions ASAP before deadline is upon is.
Iso: His sudden absence has been alarming in a way. He has not really attempted to push the wagon on myself of late, and has basically disappeared from this game. He is basically letting others do his dirty work without getting himself involved.
Dude. My last post was a day ago. I just now had time to start a game I was hosting. My work schedule has been in flux and I'm only home when I'm asleep, for the most part. Chill.
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JAR: Weakest of my town reads. He has been lurking, but has also taken the controversial position of basically defending myself. Given he has already had some heat on him from others in this game, I can not see him also taking the positions he has had as scum. It seems way too risky at this point given the position he is in.
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Ebwodp: that applies to all 4 of you. Obviously I know where you guys stand. I'm trying to figure out who can be convinced with more evidence to vote Tan. Or if too many people are hardset against it, what else we can do before deadline.
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@Jar: I didn't realize you weren't on the wagon. I'll see if I can find some more solid evidence for you, although I'm game to return to the ISo wagon if there is a majority there. Do you not think the day 1 vote hopping with no reasons was scummy?
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I can't believe the apathy going on right now. I asked everyone a question and I've gotten no responses. People who aren't on the TANARIN wagon need to speak up and voice their opinions ASAP before deadline is upon is.
I am repeating myself at this point. I have the same vibe from Tanarin and I did from Kamikaze. The evidence presented didn't make me confident to say Tanarin is scum.
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Want to lynch Asenion toDay, Iso is a good alternative, and I'm refusing to lynch Tanarin. The only reason we have stagnation is the absence of people to actually vote. There's hardly anything else that can be said toDay. Two people need two votes, come on everyone =\
sorry, I'm around. I'm just skimming over my notes/old posts. I'm starting to go back to thinking that JeY might be worth another look today. but I'll get more detailed thoughts up later.
Actually n/m/ Look town can't afford a no lynch at this point, and honestly, I KNOW I will be getting saint points tomorrow if I make it through today. Saying that.
Vote Tanarin
Honestly Wheat, you are being idiotic with your reads. Iso/Asenion, hope town ropes you up like they should. Karn, stop being stubburn and posting the way you have been. It is only gonna cost the town in the end.
I'm done with this BS, I expect a full apology for being called scum tomorrow.
Also, please let Iso Hammer me just in case I do somehow have a point on me now.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
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Iso is presumably having TNT strapped to him pretty often, since he's likely to be lynched eventually. Therefore, he should only ever be the hammer, since he won't take anyone with him.
Tanarin on the other hand has a very low likelihood of having been sainted even if he's somehow town; he was considered to be town by most yesterDay, and therefore made for a poor saint target.
Except on the off chance that Iso is actually town he probably has a saint point or two and could easily clean up some actual scum for us. This is what I've been trying to say for the longest time. I'm interested in seeing some heads of scum roll.
My vote is just on Asenion still because I feel stronger about that lynch toDay.
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Wow JAR's case is bad. If Iso is town, JAR flipping scum will be the onyl reason I'm not surprised.
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(6 to lynch)
Asenion - 2 (Niv, JeY k)
Iso - 2 (Tanarin, JAR)
Tanarin - 4 (Iso, Wheat_Grinder, Asenion, Sir Karn)
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I think the level of activity and the Shockwave situation warrants a two-day extension. Deadline is 7/24 at 8pm MST.
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I don't agree with this plan at all. I don't see how Asenion is scum. Maybe you could tell me why?
Yes. My case has made me even more sure Tanarin is scum.
Rockets are cool.
@Asenion: If I am understanding you correctly, your case on me basically amounts to you thinking I A) hopped around my vote too much and B) was careful WHERE I placed my vote. As for A, I don't think your vote analysis proved more than the fact that yes my vote did move, and possibly quite a bit. As for B, I don't think that has as much weight as you may think due to the fact that Kami did not have any saint votes on him, and we have no way to prove my other votes do have any on them. Now if one of the people I voted for did flip with saint points on them, you may have a better case, as of now though, it feels circumstantial at best.
You also try to point out that I may have moved my vote to kami due to a scumbuddy. Here is the question for you, if I am scum, who is my scumbuddy? You seem to very handily leave this out of your case/vote analysis. One would think if you had me pegged as scum, you would also have a scumbuddy for me as well.
The third problem I see in your posts is the total ignoring of the fact that I was suspicious of Kami for the latter half of the day. Yes, at first I was not, but iRebel made a good point I thought was worth going on. This is given the fact that we were only 150 posts into the game and already burned 9 days. There was at the time, and up until recently, total apathy in this game. And later on, I was definitely suspicious enough to place a vote on him (BS T/S list, general action in game.) You make it seem like though I am being completely lazy though and ignore those posts.
@Wheat: Yes, i did go after Karn, and for a while he was one of my bigger scumsuspects. But to make it seem like I suddenly flip in my views of karn is a stretch. Yes I may not have said that, and if I should have said why, I am sorry to upset you. Though if that is a scumtell, then maybe you need to go after others in this game who have done the same thing.
You also said I did not commit to a Kami lynch? May want to check your history there. Hell may want to check Asenion's vote analysis. I was on their early and later on as well. As for the activity thing. Yes I did complain about it, as I did Day one, and i was already on a wagon at the time (Kami IIRC, may have been Jey, again too arsed to check ATM.) As for day 2, again activity was down, and I did agree with Karn that people need to post more. Not only does it make reading people easier, but let's face it, a game with low posting is a boring as hell game. This is from both a town or scum perspective (Though obviously a game where the town is hardly posting benefits scum, it's still boring though.) The fact that you turn this particular post against me shows you may be tunneling me a bit too hard.
Now as for your questions:
The circumstances are simple. I have been on record in multiple games that I can't read Iso. I can gauge others though, and I felt at the time making a vote (Despite it being crappy,) was worth it if only to see if I could either:
A) get some sort of reaction, ANY reaction for that matter, from Iso that I could actually use to determine his alignment.
B) Also again as has been noted, the game had slowed to a glacial pace (33 posts on 4 and a half days is very low for 11 people IMO.) A vote on Iso (No matter how bad,) at least has sparked people to actually post in this game, which was part of my intent. May not be what you want to hear, but the truth hurts sometime.
As for why I did not push for someone I thought was scum, simply put, I did not have the strongest of reads on anyone. By that point my view on Karn had changed, Jey was reading town, Iso is Iso to me, and I was not going to vote shockwave until his replacement came in and actually contributed (and I could actually get a read on him/his replacement). I could have voted iRebel, but I was kinda meh on that one, as again, he had not said too much this game, same for JAR.
Now you ask me why I would vote for Iso if I knew I was gonna get ran up like that? Well how was I supposed to know. You make it sound like I somehow planned this with Iso. To answer your question though:
As Town) See above yet again (You really seem to be asking the same questions over and over I am noticing)
As Scum) Honestly, as scum I would not make this vote. The game at the time was pretty stalled out, and staying silent is a way better move as scum at that point than sticking one's neck out at that juncture. With so many idlers and lurkers, scum would not stick out any more than lazy town, and could easily hide enough to get to 12 saint points or get enough on a player to cause a massive backlash tomorrow/a later day.
As for your last fully agreeing with Karn. Well bite me. He said something I was about to say, but said it before I could, so I agreed with him. Happens all the time with my normal posting schedule (Mainly at night.)
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Still not voting Tanarin.
Tanarin, could you post a T/S list for me? It'd give me a good idea where you stand overall.
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This rebuttal reads to me like scum whining at being caught for the wrong reasons, trying to handwave evidence, and somehow claiming that he shouldn't be lynched unless we catch his scumbuddy simultaneously. I don't care how few Saint Points you knew the people you were voting had on them Tan. I care that you acted in a self-motivated fashion to lynch whoever was most convenient and did zero scumhunting yourself along the way.
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This (trying to distract and just call out lurkers while we're building the wagon on Tan) plus this:
Means you're buddies with Tan.
Congrats.
But you do suddenly flip in your views of Karn. You go from #1 scumspect to never mentioning you think he's scum again, and never state why.
I do not accept this.
As I recall it was a singular post or at best 2-3 which made me feel that way with you and Kami; give me proof I'm wrong.
What particular post are you talking about at the end? I don't think I called you scum for being against low posting, only because you really weren't doing much to shake up the game at the same time (which is also sort of weak but not one of my main points either).
I don't think you actually believe this.
Your idea of making people actually post was to do the same thing a couple of other people were doing. That doesn't make sense.
Why did you flip on Karn? You never said in all this.
No, I don't think you planned it with Iso. What I think is that you're telling me bull*****.
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He obviously meant Tan.
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whoops
Karn's right, I meant Tan. For some reason I mix up Rhand, Tan, and sometimes also Karn iirc.
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Likely Scum:
Asenion: I wasn't sold on the initial Asenion/shockwave wagon as it literally felt like it was based on Shock not only being not present, but also the fact that what he did say was typical shock foot in mouth issues. Asenion though has rubbed me the wrong way. His attack on me feels as if he took the easiest possible way to go after me and went head first.
Iso: His sudden absence has been alarming in a way. He has not really attempted to push the wagon on myself of late, and has basically disappeared from this game. He is basically letting others do his dirty work without getting himself involved.
Possible scum:
On the off chance one of the two are not scum, this is where I would be looking next.
iRebel: His current AFKness I can explain as I talk to him OOG (Though the timing could not be worse.) Thing is though he has been basically floating through this game, which may not be a bad thing for the 2nd scum buddy to be doing in the long run, as there are enough lurkers to basically blend in
Bolly: Again, has not been too active. Though I feel he may be less likely to be scum as when he has posted he has posted content.
Niv: Also seems to be basically floating this game. The first half of his posts all seem to be catch up, then he basically does not take a stance other than an obvious Lynch the lurker position.
Neutral:
Void: He is basically been reading... well like a void to me. He has been gone since the 10th and does not have much else to really go on.
Likely Town:
JAR: Weakest of my town reads. He has been lurking, but has also taken the controversial position of basically defending myself. Given he has already had some heat on him from others in this game, I can not see him also taking the positions he has had as scum. It seems way too risky at this point given the position he is in.
JeY: Again, took some early heat, but more so than that, has taken to the position of defending Kami and myself.
Karn: Did I suspect him at first, yes. But as the game went on, I realized he was being way too stubborn to be scum and actually believing what he was saying, and he was starting to think quite a few of the same things I was thinking as well.
Wheat: Has been a major pusher on my wagon, but I feel his eagerness is coming more from a town PoV as opposed to a scum one. He seems to be actually putting in more work on his case than others.
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e: though Void was apparently last online when he last posted, which was on the 10th. So, uh, I'm not exactly holding my breath here. I'll post for a replacement now, 'cause I assume I'll need at least one, and if that doesn't work, *makes zipping sound with his mouth* raining modkills.
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did I not answer your questions
Dude. My last post was a day ago. I just now had time to start a game I was hosting. My work schedule has been in flux and I'm only home when I'm asleep, for the most part. Chill.
This only makes sense if you're claiming scum.
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There's a really good reason for that.
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I am repeating myself at this point. I have the same vibe from Tanarin and I did from Kamikaze. The evidence presented didn't make me confident to say Tanarin is scum.
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Want to lynch Asenion toDay, Iso is a good alternative, and I'm refusing to lynch Tanarin. The only reason we have stagnation is the absence of people to actually vote. There's hardly anything else that can be said toDay. Two people need two votes, come on everyone =\
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Pretty much everything points to Tan being scum.
Actually n/m/ Look town can't afford a no lynch at this point, and honestly, I KNOW I will be getting saint points tomorrow if I make it through today. Saying that.
Vote Tanarin
Honestly Wheat, you are being idiotic with your reads. Iso/Asenion, hope town ropes you up like they should. Karn, stop being stubburn and posting the way you have been. It is only gonna cost the town in the end.
I'm done with this BS, I expect a full apology for being called scum tomorrow.
Also, please let Iso Hammer me just in case I do somehow have a point on me now.
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(6 to lynch)
Asenion - 2 (Niv, JeY k)
Iso - 1 (JAR)
Tanarin - 5 (Iso, Wheat_Grinder, Asenion, Sir Karn, Tanarin)
JAR - 1 (Bolly)
Not Voting: iRebel, Voi
Also at the end of this day I'm most likely going to modkill Void.
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@Xyre: what happens to saint points in a modkill? no chance on a replacement? no contingency for this?
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What I'll do is let the mafia move those points onto a single other player of their choice. It's the best option available, sadly.
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