Well... I thought the same thing. And I used my one shot watch on you last Night.
While yesterDay I did guess Hunger correctly and wasn't sure enough to use the watch.
Meh meh meh
I did a reread of Niv focused on Hawk, Shockwave and Karn.
Shockwave:
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In Niv's first huge post, he adresses lots of people. We know all of them were not scum apart from Shockwave, who is the only unknown (that is if we assume Cyan and myself are town)
In Niv's second huge post, he adresses a lot of people again. This time, he doesn't adress Shockwave but votes his buddy TK. All other people are not scum with Karn the only unknown.
In his third huge post, he doesn't adress TK but does adress Shock and calls him scum.
The fourth adresses TK but not Shockwave.
Is this a coincidence? I might be looking too hard lol.
But it sure seems like Niv picks one buddy to harass in each big post, and alternated between TK and Shock.
Hawk:
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Niv does an awkward 180° turn on Hawk, calling him town in #106 and hating his vote in #220.
I think this probably means Hawk is town; I think scum more easily forgets that they called a townie town than calling a scumbuddy town.
Karn:
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Niv unvoted TK to vote Karn. How likely is it that a scum would unvote one buddy to hop on another? It seems weird. He also kept calling Karn probable scum when he was voting TK.
So rereading Niv, it seems like LnGrrR should be the last scum.
The same thing with Antny didn't give me much. He never talked about Karn or Hawk.
He did vote Shockwave in RVS, and it was his scummy “not that I don't think he's scummy” unvote that got him lynched.
Which might indicate that Antny couldn't jump off the wagon saying Shock isn't scum because he simply is scum.
Then there's TK.
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In TK's first post where he votes his buddy Niv, he calls Shock town. He doesn't talk about anyone else (apart from RVS'ing with Cyan). Would scum!TK vote a buddy and townclear another in one post, avoiding to talk about anyone else at all?
On Day 2, TK /barns Hunger about Shock being scummy. (his vote stays on SNL)
He keeps repeating how scummy Shock is until LnGrrrR replaces in, but never votes him.
Hawk:
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TK never mentions Hawk apart from answering a question Hawk asked him.
Karn:
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TK never mentions Karn until this happens:
When TK makes a POE list, it looks like this:
1. Killjoy
2. LnGrrrR
3. 7hawk77
4. Generic
5. Hunger
6. Myself
Note that Karn is not on it!
He notices his mistake and rectifies it, putting Karn on spot 5.
Soo, my conclusion:
Hawk:
Niv forgot his Hawk read (not buddies)
Antny never interacted (possible buddies)
TK never interacted (possible buddies)
==> not scum
Karn:
Niv unvoted a buddy to hop to Karn (probably not buddies)
Antny never interacted (possible buddies)
TK forgets him in his POE list (probable buddies)
==> possible scum
LnGrrR:
Niv interactions are ugly (probable buddies)
Antny's unvote points to buddies (probable buddies)
TK interactions seem to point towards scum on town (probably not buddies)
==> possible scum
Investigation not conclusive, but I do think it excludes Hawk, which should make us win.
Gonna look at the 3 separate as well, but that's gonna take more time.
Yeh, we have 2 lynch chances to win this.
If Cyan isn't playing us bigtime (which I think he isn't - what are the odds of scum picking the same NK target as the vig?), then we need to only find 1 sure town in {Karn, Hawk, LnGrrR}.
Hmm... Karn: what happened to your Shockwave scumread? And your Hawk scumread?
Reading you again, it is pretty weird that you were so convinced we were winning with the KillJoy lynch.
A)Why should I be providing you further details as to how my role works, when you're on the hot seat right now? The town has shown no other protective roles. And a kill went missing the night after I claimed. And the item that I use for my protections was confirmed by someone that is confirmed town. I am the Doctor, end of story.
B)I see that you 'forgot' to provide the rest of your role despite multiple of us asking for it. Feel free to rectify that. I'm dying to hear how this supposed 'backup' role of yours works. Especially if you're expecting me to provide you with more information on MY role.
Wheat said that it was a "Potion" and Wheat also specifically said that he doesn't learn what the items do, only what they're called.
Anyway, once during the game during the Day I can pick up an item from a dead townie. I haven't used it yet because the only choice has been Seppel and I was waiting for something I could use instead of giving someone a bomb.
@Karn, what was the rationale behind not picking up the bomb?
Also, if LyLo truly is tomorrow, what's stopping you from picking it up today, then we lynch Hawk or I, then tomorrow you bomb the other one, then town lynches you?
I think Karn is the lynch for toDay indeed.
But I really want to finish my read of all the suspects before we hit night.
I urge you all (especially Gen and Cyan) to do the same. One of us won't make toMorrow if there is a toMorrow, and we need to win this.
Agreed, all 3 of us should read up on LNG and Hawk and post our thoughts on each one of them, in case Karn is somehow not the last scum(though I'm fully convinced that he is. I've been suspicious of him for most of the game, and only gave him a pass for awhile because I thought he and WG were masons..but now we know that they are not, he has nothing going for him..and that claim sounds completely fabricated).
Actually... Karn just made it so that we can confirm him now.
He can take the bomb and pass it to one of us toNight.
If no one has it and the NK isn't found with the bomb, he's scum.
Unless he has the role as scum, but TK was a "Thief", so that sounds unlikely.
That's a really good idea, prefaced on whether or not Karn can receive the item and pass it to someone else the same night..and if he can pass it at all. I'm not sure the mod will answer the latter question, but it's pretty pivotal, considering that otherwise Karn can just lie about it all.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand nath'd by the inefficient preview software on here.
So apparently nothing has changed(if Karn is scum, his only option here would be to tell the truth anyway), so I'll just go back to reading up on LNG and Hawk now in case we're wrong about Karn.
Actually... Karn just made it so that we can confirm him now.
He can take the bomb and pass it to one of us toNight.
If no one has it and the NK isn't found with the bomb, he's scum.
Unless he has the role as scum, but TK was a "Thief", so that sounds unlikely.
Actually, I am thinking the opposite. Remember TK's big post about "big" and "little" powers? Doesn't this feel like a "little" complement to TK's "big"?
@Generic, I don't know. I would say Hawk, but his play was so reckless the Day Killjoy was lynched that I don't think scum would be so careless. That would only leave Karn by default, so looking him up too.
But anyway, you can take that attitude as town early on to heigten your chances to reach endgame.
But at this point in the game, not answering questions is just anti-town.
If you get lynched for that, you have yourself to blame.
Hmm... Karn: what happened to your Shockwave scumread? And your Hawk scumread?
Reading you again, it is pretty weird that you were so convinced we were winning with the KillJoy lynch.
Whelp, just lost a huge post. I'll try and recap what I lost. Night 1 Seppel was killed. Seppel wanted lngrrr lynched. Karn brought this up against him. Karn could have organized that nk to frame him but it's pretty bold.
Karn used his role badly.
Rhand cyan and generic are confirmed town. If you three have any doubt about my alignment, I'd much rather get lynched today than tomorrow.
I think lngrrr is the last scum, replaced in to a bad spot and hasn't really done anything.
I am curious about the list myself, but along with the read reasons I would like to see what your thoughts of the Rhand wagon are. Why so bad in your opinion? I'm not claiming its great mind you, mainly curious.
Both Lngr and Shock haven't done much to get a read off :/
This post by Shock does rub me wrong. The wording is so... fency.
Past couple of days have been stressful in RL, but I won't get into details now. And also must have had four or five shots worth of Triple-sec (orange flavored liquor) last night, so I was buzzed and quite unable to put things together.
General observations on behavior:
Generic: Seems to be enjoying things, a small push of mischief in his posts, is giving me vibes of Sesame Street Generic, but want to check content just to be sure.
Rhand: I agree with 77Hawk7 that he seems a bit more assertive in the way he opened up this game. I can't make a good judgement on alignment based on this alone, but it gets me wondering.
Seppel: short posts... Seems to be hiding compared to other games I've seen Seppel in.
Cantrip: Serious and straight forward, the line of questioning put forth seems a lot more cohesive compared to his Day 1, and only Day, in Sesame Street Mafia.
Sir Karn: Doesn't seem to be attempting to drive discussion as hard as previous games I've been in with him. I have seen him be quite assertive in scum roles as far as discussion goes with both Dinosaur mafia and Sesame Street as examples, so gut feeling is Karn is likely town, but needs further testing.
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I'll say this right now, it does seem Generic is goading Rhand into a posting stand-off, but I feel this is distracting from discussions opening up. Wouldn't hurt to work around them if necessary.
Anyone notice anything interesting about this post?
I think I have a clear view on how you see Antny now. Kind of has me hoping he'll flip soon, but I won't push for a lynch.
I still have my doubts that Killjoy is scum based on his reasons for voting TK earlier, I could see a scum reason for not seeing the whole picture of Niv's earlier post, cherry picking to either get a poor vote on a teammate, or to generate some heat on a town player.
For reference, I haven't got a set opinion on Niv, but am looking through his posts now to get a better look at his mindset.
I've read hawk so far. What I've seen from Hawk is a complete willingness(more or less) to vote anybody for any reason, which I don't like. I haven't looked at his interactions with dead scum yet.
Why are you so convinced that it's not him, Rhand?
To be fair, I haven't looked over Shock/LNG yet either. I remember feeling like Shock was Too Dumb To Be Scum early in the game, we'll see what came of that.
I missed those questions Rhand. Posting from mobiLe 80% of the time can be a ***** with Curse.
Killjoy's interactions with TK were extremely damning and pushed aside my other reads.
I think hawk is the less likely of the two from what I pointed out yesterDay.
LnGrrrR/shock is more likely the last scum now.
I didn't pick up the bomb because I was assuming more people would have items and a bomb is far from a guaranteed scum kill. Turns out there were less items dropped than I was expecting.
@Karn, why didn't you pick up the vest? And can you hand it off to others or is it bound to you?
Like, I don't see why you wouldn't pick it up. What were you waiting for?
@Hawk, I haven't "done anything" because the game was pretty much all mechanics discussion when I got in. It was hard for me to get my bearings, with a lot of "Player X used this" etc etc. I could see where Generic was coming from when he asked if everyone was vanilla but him.
One thing to note is wheat thought I was scum if killjoy flipped town and now he's dead. I think whoever is scum is trying to get me lynched today. That's why I'm think it's lngrrr cause karn made comments about me being town.
One thing to note is wheat thought I was scum if killjoy flipped town and now he's dead. I think whoever is scum is trying to get me lynched today. That's why I'm think it's lngrrr cause karn made comments about me being town.
This is super-WIFOMY and doesn't make me feel better about hawk.
@Cyan: Hawk towncleared Karn bigtime. That's a weird thing to do as scum. Calculations must've told him that he needs both options open. So I think he's town.
LnGrrr has never read the whole thread. That makes it hard to get a read.
Karn is still in his low content game. I'm amazed that he keeps at it with the pressure he's gotten. I'm not sure if i can take a conclusion from that. I would say town because he doesn't care about pressure, but it might point to scum not wanting too much out there to analyse as well.
One thing to note is wheat thought I was scum if killjoy flipped town and now he's dead. I think whoever is scum is trying to get me lynched today. That's why I'm think it's lngrrr cause karn made comments about me being town.
This is super-WIFOMY and doesn't make me feel better about hawk.
Yes, please disregard the two more relevant posts on why lngrrr is scum and point out why you dislike the weakest evidence that only I can confirm.
@Karn, I just don't see why you wouldn't pick it up. After all, we have had at least a few semi-confirmed townies most of the game, Cyan being the most obvious. Why not pick up the vest and donate it to him? (Going from your mindset that you thought you could give it away.)
@Hawk, I hope you are willing to bet the game on it. Because when I flip town, town will come after you. If anyone has put less work into this game than me, it has been you. Sorry if I don't feel comfortable with you determining the endgame.
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While yesterDay I did guess Hunger correctly and wasn't sure enough to use the watch.
Meh meh meh
Shockwave:
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In Niv's first huge post, he adresses lots of people. We know all of them were not scum apart from Shockwave, who is the only unknown (that is if we assume Cyan and myself are town)
In Niv's second huge post, he adresses a lot of people again. This time, he doesn't adress Shockwave but votes his buddy TK. All other people are not scum with Karn the only unknown.
In his third huge post, he doesn't adress TK but does adress Shock and calls him scum.
The fourth adresses TK but not Shockwave.
Is this a coincidence? I might be looking too hard lol.
But it sure seems like Niv picks one buddy to harass in each big post, and alternated between TK and Shock.
Hawk:
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Niv does an awkward 180° turn on Hawk, calling him town in #106 and hating his vote in #220.
I think this probably means Hawk is town; I think scum more easily forgets that they called a townie town than calling a scumbuddy town.
Karn:
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Niv unvoted TK to vote Karn. How likely is it that a scum would unvote one buddy to hop on another? It seems weird. He also kept calling Karn probable scum when he was voting TK.
So rereading Niv, it seems like LnGrrR should be the last scum.
The same thing with Antny didn't give me much. He never talked about Karn or Hawk.
He did vote Shockwave in RVS, and it was his scummy “not that I don't think he's scummy” unvote that got him lynched.
Which might indicate that Antny couldn't jump off the wagon saying Shock isn't scum because he simply is scum.
Then there's TK.
Shockwave:
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In TK's first post where he votes his buddy Niv, he calls Shock town. He doesn't talk about anyone else (apart from RVS'ing with Cyan). Would scum!TK vote a buddy and townclear another in one post, avoiding to talk about anyone else at all?
On Day 2, TK /barns Hunger about Shock being scummy. (his vote stays on SNL)
He keeps repeating how scummy Shock is until LnGrrrR replaces in, but never votes him.
Hawk:
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TK never mentions Hawk apart from answering a question Hawk asked him.
Karn:
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TK never mentions Karn until this happens:
When TK makes a POE list, it looks like this:
1. Killjoy
2. LnGrrrR
3. 7hawk77
4. Generic
5. Hunger
6. Myself
Note that Karn is not on it!
He notices his mistake and rectifies it, putting Karn on spot 5.
Soo, my conclusion:
Hawk:
Niv forgot his Hawk read (not buddies)
Antny never interacted (possible buddies)
TK never interacted (possible buddies)
==> not scum
Karn:
Niv unvoted a buddy to hop to Karn (probably not buddies)
Antny never interacted (possible buddies)
TK forgets him in his POE list (probable buddies)
==> possible scum
LnGrrR:
Niv interactions are ugly (probable buddies)
Antny's unvote points to buddies (probable buddies)
TK interactions seem to point towards scum on town (probably not buddies)
==> possible scum
Investigation not conclusive, but I do think it excludes Hawk, which should make us win.
Gonna look at the 3 separate as well, but that's gonna take more time.
If Cyan isn't playing us bigtime (which I think he isn't - what are the odds of scum picking the same NK target as the vig?), then we need to only find 1 sure town in {Karn, Hawk, LnGrrR}.
Reading you again, it is pretty weird that you were so convinced we were winning with the KillJoy lynch.
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Lngrrr needs to post.
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A)Why should I be providing you further details as to how my role works, when you're on the hot seat right now? The town has shown no other protective roles. And a kill went missing the night after I claimed. And the item that I use for my protections was confirmed by someone that is confirmed town. I am the Doctor, end of story.
B)I see that you 'forgot' to provide the rest of your role despite multiple of us asking for it. Feel free to rectify that. I'm dying to hear how this supposed 'backup' role of yours works. Especially if you're expecting me to provide you with more information on MY role.
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I want Karn to claim his backup thing first, then I will.
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So I am definately not sure yet.
Anyway, once during the game during the Day I can pick up an item from a dead townie. I haven't used it yet because the only choice has been Seppel and I was waiting for something I could use instead of giving someone a bomb.
And you were waiting for what? We all used up our items by now.
And only town as target? That seems weird design.
I call bull.
Also, if LyLo truly is tomorrow, what's stopping you from picking it up today, then we lynch Hawk or I, then tomorrow you bomb the other one, then town lynches you?
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All of this and more. Vote Sir Karn
Still would like to hear from LNG, but I can't see his claim being worse than this.
LnGrrrR (1): 7hawk77
Sir Karn (2): Generic, Cyan
Not voting (3): Sir Karn, Rhand, LnGrrrR
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to burn. The deadline is 0815 EDT 4 August 2014.
But I really want to finish my read of all the suspects before we hit night.
I urge you all (especially Gen and Cyan) to do the same. One of us won't make toMorrow if there is a toMorrow, and we need to win this.
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He can take the bomb and pass it to one of us toNight.
If no one has it and the NK isn't found with the bomb, he's scum.
Unless he has the role as scum, but TK was a "Thief", so that sounds unlikely.
So apparently nothing has changed(if Karn is scum, his only option here would be to tell the truth anyway), so I'll just go back to reading up on LNG and Hawk now in case we're wrong about Karn.
Actually, I am thinking the opposite. Remember TK's big post about "big" and "little" powers? Doesn't this feel like a "little" complement to TK's "big"?
@Generic, I don't know. I would say Hawk, but his play was so reckless the Day Killjoy was lynched that I don't think scum would be so careless. That would only leave Karn by default, so looking him up too.
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But at this point in the game, not answering questions is just anti-town.
If you get lynched for that, you have yourself to blame.
Just because I waited one post to answer toDay, when we had other things to talk about, is a terrible reason to get a scum read on anyone.
Like this is just you guys giving no *****s anymore. You aren't even trying if you think I'm scum.
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Now stop nagging and play the game please.
Karn used his role badly.
Rhand cyan and generic are confirmed town. If you three have any doubt about my alignment, I'd much rather get lynched today than tomorrow.
I think lngrrr is the last scum, replaced in to a bad spot and hasn't really done anything.
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Both Lngr and Shock haven't done much to get a read off :/
This post by Shock does rub me wrong. The wording is so... fency.
I think scum is Karn or LnGrrrR. I'm not lynching Hawk.
Cyan and Generic: please also get a read on all 3
Anyone notice anything interesting about this post?
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This is eye opening as well.
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Why are you so convinced that it's not him, Rhand?
To be fair, I haven't looked over Shock/LNG yet either. I remember feeling like Shock was Too Dumb To Be Scum early in the game, we'll see what came of that.
Killjoy's interactions with TK were extremely damning and pushed aside my other reads.
I think hawk is the less likely of the two from what I pointed out yesterDay.
LnGrrrR/shock is more likely the last scum now.
I didn't pick up the bomb because I was assuming more people would have items and a bomb is far from a guaranteed scum kill. Turns out there were less items dropped than I was expecting.
And yes, town only. Why would I lie about that.
Like, I don't see why you wouldn't pick it up. What were you waiting for?
@Hawk, I haven't "done anything" because the game was pretty much all mechanics discussion when I got in. It was hard for me to get my bearings, with a lot of "Player X used this" etc etc. I could see where Generic was coming from when he asked if everyone was vanilla but him.
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This is super-WIFOMY and doesn't make me feel better about hawk.
LnGrrr has never read the whole thread. That makes it hard to get a read.
Karn is still in his low content game. I'm amazed that he keeps at it with the pressure he's gotten. I'm not sure if i can take a conclusion from that. I would say town because he doesn't care about pressure, but it might point to scum not wanting too much out there to analyse as well.
Yes, please disregard the two more relevant posts on why lngrrr is scum and point out why you dislike the weakest evidence that only I can confirm.
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@Hawk, I hope you are willing to bet the game on it. Because when I flip town, town will come after you. If anyone has put less work into this game than me, it has been you. Sorry if I don't feel comfortable with you determining the endgame.
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