I guess I give my version of it. His first post is not much other than usual RVS with a "dhockwave" type misspell. The following almost is buddying in tone, even as he catches the misspell. Again, not unusual in RVS.
Once things start getting serious he's quite passive in what's going on. Even when he places a vote on me it doesn't feel like he is putting any trust in getting anything out of it. It has a "meh" tone, which extends into his following posts. This passivity maybe a sign of "disinterested" scum.
His last post is understandable from any alignment in response to a naked vote on Rodemy who at that point hadn't even shown up yet. Possible defensiveness of another player?
Either way a little pressure wouldn't hurt to get his interest.
Bad case is bad. I am not going to bother responding. Calling me scum after 3 posts of which one is the rvs breaker is just silly. Low participation... I sleep at night, you know?
So what do we know:
* Void is town
* Selesnya is the lowest hanging fruit in the game
* there should be scum on my wagon, on the Void wagon and maybe in the Selesnya pushes unless Selesnya is scum.
Yes I have Karn. I changed quite a bit as a player since my early games.
Talking about me is not going to get scum lynched so I am avoiding that.
But since you're clearly not planning on stopping the talk about me:
Your case isn't a case. I voiced what Meg wanted to say about shockwave because i saw it too and meg couldn't tell it with his PR. I don't understand what you think you saw me doing there, but that's all there is to it.
I found my own spelling error funny and joked about it. I usually would add content to a joke post, but there was nothing to talk about apart from Shock's rvs post.
Anyways, i think you're town with this push and I think either Hawk or Shock is not.
* town!Void (Unless Iso changed his setup when he saw the playerlist, I don't see a double-voter being scum)
Void's first post was (probably intentionally) bad, making him an easy target for pushing. I'm pretty sure there's scum on that wagon.
Vote 1: Wheat_Grinder. Didn't explain the vote, but seeing Void's post, not much of an explanation is necessary. Does look at other possibilities too. Looks for bussing in #72, which is bad. Might be scum.
Vote 2: ITF. Also not explained. Combined with the useless question to Meg, this might be scum. Don't like his question to SNL with the '50 words or less' added. Seems forced. #81 is better.
Vote 3: Selesnya. He ignores the wagon at first and then omgus'es Void. He looks to have no clue. No idea on his alignment.
Vote 4: Cantripmancer. His reasoning is good. Lean town.
Agreement without vote: Megiddo. I like his views on Shockwave and he seems legit frustrated because he sees the bad wagon on me and can't use words to explain why it's bad. Probably town. Weird that he tells Selesnya to vote Void while his own vote is on Shock.
Ignoring the wagon 1: Shockwave. He unvotes without new vote and avoids talking about Void. Probable scum.
Ignoring the wagon 2: Karn. He thinks he found scum in me, which is a good reason to not push Void. Leaning town.
Ignoring the wagon 3: Hawk. He doesn't go deeper than 'weird' on his read of Void. Can be scum.
Not agreeing with Void wagon: Rodemy. I like his ITF vote. Probably town, especially if ITF flips scum.
* My wagon
Rereading just showed me that it was not my Shockwave vote but my RVS vote that made Karn first vote me. Was that vote serious Karn? Or did it become serious when I voted Shock?
Vote 1: Karn. No reasoning at first. Reasoning he has is weak, but he seems to believe it. Town.
Vote 2: Hawk. Awful reasoning: he doesn't want me to pick my battles, as if he's afraid that I pick the right persons to push when I do pick my own battles. The participation thing is a smear. Probable scum.
Vote 3: Shock. The first reasoning why I'm scum is terrible. As if an RVS post would lead to Meg's lynch. When explaining his case, he notices he doesn't have one: 'Either way a little pressure wouldn't hurt to get his interest.' Like I said before, I was asleep when the game picked up. Probable scum.
I would be very surprised if 2 scum were on my wagon with only 3 votes, which makes my game view at this point like this:
Void - Meg - Rodemy - Karn are town
Cantrip is probably town
Hawk OR Shock is scum (scum won't pile up on my wagon together)
Wheat OR ITF is scum (idem with Void wagon. Lean towards ITF for Selesnya pushes)
POE on those conclusions means Selesnya OR Hans OR Cantripmancer is scum.
We should lynch Shock, ITF, Hawk or Wheat. (this is my order of preference)
You pick your battles as scum waiting for someone to pressure a townie before you hop in and find something to show validity in a mislynch. If you have pressure as town, you work harder, as scum we keep you off balance.
Conclusion: vote me if you think I'm scum. Go find someone else to pressure if you don't. It doesn't help town to be voting town.
Your reaction seems townie though, which is good.
@Cantripmancer:
I did that already. See my post after the baiting post for the explanation.
@ITF:
When someone is baiting for reactions in RVS there will typically be a serious post following it explaining the details of the responses. You're really reaching here and I don't like it.
My baiting post was me voting the Mod.
Are you still shaking the dust off? ;):heart:
@Karn and other voting Rhand:
Why are you voting Rhand but ignoring SNL's opening post which had the same content?
I am starting to get convinced that we're witnessing Selesnya's first scum game.
He's showing textbook scum mentality.
Wish I could thank in Mafia games.
@Void: I don't think those are the same. I see differences, both in the actual posts - SNL's is more blatantly being 'funny' - and Rhand is more experienced.
I am starting to get convinced that we're witnessing Selesnya's first scum game.
He's showing textbook scum mentality.
Since this whole "newbie" thing seems to be coming up, I should mention this: I have played very few Mafia games in forums, but I have played a generous amount in real life. It's difficult to express my "it's just a game" playing mentality through text, as it always seems to come off harsh.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
My votes will not be moving from SNL barring something extreme.
Fixed
Or, new theory: Void does NOT have two votes. Instead, another player has the ability to cast a secret vote through Iso in PM. If Void moves his vote, and I still have 1 vote to my name, it's revealed that he is still potential scum.
stop.
please.
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i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
This question throws me off. You are asking him to answer a very complicated question. Like, he basically said it: The push makes him think you are town. What else is there to divulge?
Does not feel like a towny question.
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... and after i posted that i read the rest of the thread.
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Karn, i will come back to you toMorrow. I like your play, but that one question REALLY threw me off. You are questioning why he thinks you are town. Usually you are pretty happy when people think you are town. Here, you are inquisitive about it. Doesn't feel like something TownKarn would post...
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Sorry guys, this "winter storm" impeded my ability to be here during the start of this game, but I'm here now! And I will do my best to catch up by tonight!
In the meantime, and I apologize if somebody has already suggested this, I propose that the quickest and most efficient way that we can catch scum is...
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A mass nameclaim! (I could have sworn that there was a putting on shades smiley)
Before you guys shut me down so quickly, I genuinely think that this is a great idea, given the flavor of this game. The best case scenario is that we catch scum, and the absolute worst case is that we gain no leads and we go about the game like normal. I don't think that there is anything that could go wrong; we just need to cooperate.
If you guys are cool with it, I'll start it off when I get caught up.
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Unvote Void cuz double-voting scum in a basic? Laws of probability say no.
Not sold yet on SNL's actions being new scum over just plain new.
@SNL: Can you tell me more about your previous forum game(s)? For instance, how long did they last, on average? How many players were in them? Were you among experienced players or other new players?
wouldn't karn questioning why rhand has cleared him more thoroughly make him more towny?
if he was scum, just take the town compliment and be done with it. Asking for more insight would get more focus on himself and that is not something scum would do.
Megiddo thinks selesnya should replace out if he thinks mafia is a game of random chance.
wouldn't karn questioning why rhand has cleared him more thoroughly make him more towny?
if he was scum, just take the town compliment and be done with it. Asking for more insight would get more focus on himself and that is not something scum would do.
Megiddo thinks selesnya should replace out if he thinks mafia is a game of random chance.
this guy.
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Hmm, missed Hans' post; it didn't show when I started my post, and it wasn't there when I submitted. I don't like that aspect of the new forums.
As someone who has never experienced Llamas With Hats beyond the picture provided in the signup thread (no, haven't even had the time to check the youtube link), a mass nameclaim would provide me with absolutely bupkus. Why do you think that Iso would allow his game to be gamed by a mass nameclaim?
Awaiting your catchup so you can comment on current events.
Wheat knows his scum game is fairly bad and in our group of people he can (and has been) easily caught more than once. So he's disguising his play by taking up Meg's "pr" without prior notice.
@Wheaties:
What are you trying to accomplish by following Megs with his posting restriction?
Fun, I hoped.
But the fun is done. I'm going to need to start speaking with more than two words to explain things decently.
Rhand's 123 makes me suspicious, as it's the same sort of post he made in Basic 82 where he was scum. He's also the only speaking with any sort of skill which REALLY reminds me of Basic 82.
wouldn't karn questioning why rhand has cleared him more thoroughly make him more towny?
if he was scum, just take the town compliment and be done with it. Asking for more insight would get more focus on himself and that is not something scum would do.
Megiddo thinks selesnya should replace out if he thinks mafia is a game of random chance.
Now this is odd too. Do you not see that rhand explained it already: Karns push makes him feel town.
What else is there to discuss? Karn is an experienced player, but still felt the need to ask him to explain further...
I think the opposite. I think getting more focus on himself is EXACTLY what he wants to do as scum.
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I guess I give my version of it. His first post is not much other than usual RVS with a "dhockwave" type misspell. The following almost is buddying in tone, even as he catches the misspell. Again, not unusual in RVS.
Once things start getting serious he's quite passive in what's going on. Even when he places a vote on me it doesn't feel like he is putting any trust in getting anything out of it. It has a "meh" tone, which extends into his following posts. This passivity maybe a sign of "disinterested" scum.
His last post is understandable from any alignment in response to a naked vote on Rodemy who at that point hadn't even shown up yet. Possible defensiveness of another player?
Either way a little pressure wouldn't hurt to get his interest.
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So what do we know:
* Void is town
* Selesnya is the lowest hanging fruit in the game
* there should be scum on my wagon, on the Void wagon and maybe in the Selesnya pushes unless Selesnya is scum.
Analysing those things when I am on a pc.
"Bad case is bad." (or anything to that affect) is not something townRhand has ever said iirc.
What don't you understand/like about the Rhand case, Meg?
Talking about me is not going to get scum lynched so I am avoiding that.
But since you're clearly not planning on stopping the talk about me:
Your case isn't a case. I voiced what Meg wanted to say about shockwave because i saw it too and meg couldn't tell it with his PR. I don't understand what you think you saw me doing there, but that's all there is to it.
I found my own spelling error funny and joked about it. I usually would add content to a joke post, but there was nothing to talk about apart from Shock's rvs post.
Anyways, i think you're town with this push and I think either Hawk or Shock is not.
You're town because you seem to believe what you say about me.
We have:
* town!Void (Unless Iso changed his setup when he saw the playerlist, I don't see a double-voter being scum)
Void's first post was (probably intentionally) bad, making him an easy target for pushing. I'm pretty sure there's scum on that wagon.
Vote 1: Wheat_Grinder. Didn't explain the vote, but seeing Void's post, not much of an explanation is necessary. Does look at other possibilities too. Looks for bussing in #72, which is bad. Might be scum.
Vote 2: ITF. Also not explained. Combined with the useless question to Meg, this might be scum. Don't like his question to SNL with the '50 words or less' added. Seems forced. #81 is better.
Vote 3: Selesnya. He ignores the wagon at first and then omgus'es Void. He looks to have no clue. No idea on his alignment.
Vote 4: Cantripmancer. His reasoning is good. Lean town.
Agreement without vote: Megiddo. I like his views on Shockwave and he seems legit frustrated because he sees the bad wagon on me and can't use words to explain why it's bad. Probably town. Weird that he tells Selesnya to vote Void while his own vote is on Shock.
Ignoring the wagon 1: Shockwave. He unvotes without new vote and avoids talking about Void. Probable scum.
Ignoring the wagon 2: Karn. He thinks he found scum in me, which is a good reason to not push Void. Leaning town.
Ignoring the wagon 3: Hawk. He doesn't go deeper than 'weird' on his read of Void. Can be scum.
Not agreeing with Void wagon: Rodemy. I like his ITF vote. Probably town, especially if ITF flips scum.
* My wagon
Rereading just showed me that it was not my Shockwave vote but my RVS vote that made Karn first vote me. Was that vote serious Karn? Or did it become serious when I voted Shock?
Vote 1: Karn. No reasoning at first. Reasoning he has is weak, but he seems to believe it. Town.
Vote 2: Hawk. Awful reasoning: he doesn't want me to pick my battles, as if he's afraid that I pick the right persons to push when I do pick my own battles. The participation thing is a smear. Probable scum.
Vote 3: Shock. The first reasoning why I'm scum is terrible. As if an RVS post would lead to Meg's lynch. When explaining his case, he notices he doesn't have one: 'Either way a little pressure wouldn't hurt to get his interest.' Like I said before, I was asleep when the game picked up. Probable scum.
I would be very surprised if 2 scum were on my wagon with only 3 votes, which makes my game view at this point like this:
Void - Meg - Rodemy - Karn are town
Cantrip is probably town
Hawk OR Shock is scum (scum won't pile up on my wagon together)
Wheat OR ITF is scum (idem with Void wagon. Lean towards ITF for Selesnya pushes)
POE on those conclusions means Selesnya OR Hans OR Cantripmancer is scum.
We should lynch Shock, ITF, Hawk or Wheat. (this is my order of preference)
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This isn't always true, but I guess that's how my last scum game played out indeed.
That's not true. If anything, it distracts me because I need to defend myself while finding scum.
This is true.
Conclusion: vote me if you think I'm scum. Go find someone else to pressure if you don't. It doesn't help town to be voting town.
Your reaction seems townie though, which is good.
Let's lynch Shockwave.
I did that already. See my post after the baiting post for the explanation.
@ITF:
When someone is baiting for reactions in RVS there will typically be a serious post following it explaining the details of the responses. You're really reaching here and I don't like it.
My baiting post was me voting the Mod.
Are you still shaking the dust off? ;):heart:
@Karn and other voting Rhand:
Why are you voting Rhand but ignoring SNL's opening post which had the same content?
unvote, vote wheat
(can't change color of vote while phone posting, only reason I can bold is I've memorized that.)
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Those two things are not the same at all.
Anyway, I feel a lot better about Rhand with his recent posts.
Unvote.
Vote: ITF
I'm open to voting ITF or Wheat. SNL is looking worse by the moment.
@ITF: Opinions on things?
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That said: Hawk, why Wheat and not ITF for example?
Selesnya: have you read any games and/or mafia theory?
If he feels the need to follow someone, he'd better follow Void.
Triplevoter ftw
He's showing textbook scum mentality.
They may not be exactly the same, but it's still within the same context of each other. Calling Megs scummy for his two word postings.
Wish I could thank in Mafia games.
@Void: I don't think those are the same. I see differences, both in the actual posts - SNL's is more blatantly being 'funny' - and Rhand is more experienced.
explain experience.
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this is srs bsns.
Sounds very plausible.
please.
Unvote.
Vote: SNL
Unvote
Vote Sit Karn
This question throws me off. You are asking him to answer a very complicated question. Like, he basically said it: The push makes him think you are town. What else is there to divulge?
Does not feel like a towny question.
Unvote
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Karn, i will come back to you toMorrow. I like your play, but that one question REALLY threw me off. You are questioning why he thinks you are town. Usually you are pretty happy when people think you are town. Here, you are inquisitive about it. Doesn't feel like something TownKarn would post...
? I am confused.
In the meantime, and I apologize if somebody has already suggested this, I propose that the quickest and most efficient way that we can catch scum is...
...
A mass nameclaim! (I could have sworn that there was a putting on shades smiley)
Before you guys shut me down so quickly, I genuinely think that this is a great idea, given the flavor of this game. The best case scenario is that we catch scum, and the absolute worst case is that we gain no leads and we go about the game like normal. I don't think that there is anything that could go wrong; we just need to cooperate.
If you guys are cool with it, I'll start it off when I get caught up.
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Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
Not sold yet on SNL's actions being new scum over just plain new.
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wouldn't karn questioning why rhand has cleared him more thoroughly make him more towny?
if he was scum, just take the town compliment and be done with it. Asking for more insight would get more focus on himself and that is not something scum would do.
Megiddo thinks selesnya should replace out if he thinks mafia is a game of random chance.
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Is SNL at L2 yet?
No. I don't think that's a good idea.
As someone who has never experienced Llamas With Hats beyond the picture provided in the signup thread (no, haven't even had the time to check the youtube link), a mass nameclaim would provide me with absolutely bupkus. Why do you think that Iso would allow his game to be gamed by a mass nameclaim?
Awaiting your catchup so you can comment on current events.
Probably not.
Karn, really?
Fun, I hoped.
But the fun is done. I'm going to need to start speaking with more than two words to explain things decently.
Rhand's 123 makes me suspicious, as it's the same sort of post he made in Basic 82 where he was scum. He's also the only speaking with any sort of skill which REALLY reminds me of Basic 82.
Unvote, Vote: Rhand
Please do a PBPA of Rhand.
Now this is odd too. Do you not see that rhand explained it already: Karns push makes him feel town.
What else is there to discuss? Karn is an experienced player, but still felt the need to ask him to explain further...
I think the opposite. I think getting more focus on himself is EXACTLY what he wants to do as scum.