Well the opinion I have is on Hawk which is why I named him town, and on proph. Not on TK his actions were far between and I cannot get a lock in yet, But that is how Hawk was aswell. So my opinion on both Hawk/TK is that they need to post more before I am sure what they are
But you already called hawk town. Now you're taking that back? He hasn't posted since you made that call.
And did I read that correctly that you think Proph is town?
Ok finally a good question. I haven't asked anything of Cyouni because another person asked him to elaborate and he still hasn't. You also didn't ask him to elaborate (as he was helping you toward your cause of eliminating me I assume).
Why are you evading my questions? I expect you to answer them just as you expect others to answer yours.
As I said before I don't buy rhand's attack at the very beginning. It was immature and he hoped people would follow along with it. They didn't, on the back swing he was able to get people going towards me and then there was some piling on, which you're starting to notice, probably too late.
I don't typically ask players to elaborate on why they're voting other players unless I find the vote suspicious.
I thought I had answered any questions you had? Feel free to link or give the post # if I missed any.
Rhand never attacked you. He said he didn't like you. But he also said he didn't like TK, Voxx, or Generic. How was he responsible for your wagon?
Well the opinion I have is on Hawk which is why I named him town, and on proph. Not on TK his actions were far between and I cannot get a lock in yet, But that is how Hawk was aswell. So my opinion on both Hawk/TK is that they need to post more before I am sure what they are
But you already called hawk town. Now you're taking that back? He hasn't posted since you made that call.
And did I read that correctly that you think Proph is town?
Ok finally a good question. I haven't asked anything of Cyouni because another person asked him to elaborate and he still hasn't. You also didn't ask him to elaborate (as he was helping you toward your cause of eliminating me I assume).
Why are you evading my questions? I expect you to answer them just as you expect others to answer yours.
As I said before I don't buy rhand's attack at the very beginning. It was immature and he hoped people would follow along with it. They didn't, on the back swing he was able to get people going towards me and then there was some piling on, which you're starting to notice, probably too late.
I don't typically ask players to elaborate on why they're voting other players unless I find the vote suspicious.
I thought I had answered any questions you had? Feel free to link or give the post # if I missed any.
Rhand never attacked you. He said he didn't like you. But he also said he didn't like TK, Voxx, or Generic. How was he responsible for your wagon?
UA lives is another person that i can tell that his experience has taught him how to be very careful. Yet you can see that when he starts to get noticed he gets somewhat emotional which is leading me to a strong lean towards scum.
In result of it all I am vote:UA lives the latest actions of this player has set forth my vote and as Rob said I am very interested to see what will happen/change as more players join
Ever since that vote my opinion hasnt been swayed much actually infact that the people that I feel are sith protecting each other kind of is making me happy with my vote.
Wait what?? This makes no sense. You voted for me, who exactly is protecting me? I think you just gave something away. Please explain your statement "the people that I feel are sith protecting each other..." also who said the sith are mafia?
I was going to call out Grizz on the Sith thing too, and I find it funny that you did the exact same thing, and I called you on it in #81 and you never replied to that and now you call him on it. Hypocritical much? Feels kinda forced (pun intended).
I would like to make it clear that I did say I had to go on my rounds and that I was going to be offline.
UA you are kind of confusing me are you asking why I am voting for you, I have explained why 2 times now. Your posts previous to you going emotional and saying your going to leave made be believe you were scum (I will no longer use sith as I guess I was in the wrong) After the fact the people I have accused to be scum seems to be working together, protecting each other. I quoted a few examples when I accused Proph of being Scum...
As for now my opinion is that Proph, Dagean, UA lives, Rhand are scum...Proph started it.
Yes I am taking back my opinion that hawk is town, the lack of posts makes me question, I was trying to explain that the fact that the few posts he had were posts that made him noticeable. But for now I am not sure
As they both have been accused as being scum, going silent would make them both seem suspicious? I know if I am being accused I wouldnt want to go silent I would like to argue my point.
SirGrizz, can you explain your reasoning? Why do you think Rhand and UA take so much time arguing and bringing attention to themselves if they are both scum?
I may be jumping in here in mid conversation, but do you think scum would not do this?
You did see my explanation on the previous page right Dagaen?
Your message just kind of goes back into my theory tho the Scum are trying to protect each other
Proph has gone out of his way to protect Dagaen and UA Lives
UA Lives has tried Protecting Proph stating he hasnt done anything note worthy
And Dagean now protecting UA Lives and Rhand
Rhand is the only one that I havent read to actually post that he is protecting someone else but his actions and posts have me leaning towards him being scum
SirGrizz, can you explain your reasoning? Why do you think Rhand and UA take so much time arguing and bringing attention to themselves if they are both scum?
I may be jumping in here in mid conversation, but do you think scum would not do this?
Oh, I'm pretty sure they would, I just want to hear Grizz' thoughts on that.
Because i enjoy an RVS vote and gave a silly reason to do it.
Unless of course you believe proph spent a hydra chat with me in modfia divulging dirty little secrets? The fact proph ignored it suggests how serious it read to him.
I find your inability to comprhend an RVS post intersting Rhand, have i stumbled onto something here between you two?
I find your inability to comprhend an RVS post intersting Rhand, have i stumbled onto something here between you two?
Pls die
There is more but I'd rather not turn this in to the biggest post ever.
This is Rhand pushing generic's buttons. Rhand has played with generic a few times as well as I have.
Generic's gameplay can be off the wall, schizophrenic and sometimes brilliant. Often times he ends up digging himself very deep very quickly. He's gotten frustrated and claimed randomly and can be very temperamental. This isn't a bad thing for him as a player because it makes him harder to read because his actions are more based on his mood than on his alignment.
If I'm town, there is no reason why I would really start accusing generic until I'm convinced that he is scum. Why would I try and screw with him if he's been known to claim randomly? It's just anti town to frustrate a player in to blurting out their role. Rhand knows this. I'm sure he wasn't maliciously trying to piss generic off and being outright mean, but he knew what he was doing.
I think we've figured out Rhand's true identity...
So the new argument is that on day one I'm throwing rhand under the bus and claiming he's mafia ever though he's on my team??? What incentive do we have to give ourselves away and make people vote us off? This should be good....
vote: TK-421 for having too appropriate a username.
Appropriate? is it the dash? People hate the dash
Only SW-themed name, imperial scum.
Yes, I was dismembered by God's *****. Captain Tzymo started as a gimmick for posting rumors anonymously (as is sometimes needed in my position). However, I found it was rare, and that not having the ability to see hidden users, which most Mafia players are, was helpful.
And the Empire brings peace throughout the galaxy! Who wouldn't be proud to be Imperial citizens?
I am genuinely curious and it's quite possible I've played this game more than you. I think you might be trying to make yourself seem safe by 1)downplaying the squabble 2)saying someone is scum without any evidence 3)trying to determine someone is town (me). Seems like you're trying a little too hard to not seem to be on the fence.
Of course all of that may be your true feeling on the situation. I'd just like to hear you back up your TK claim first.
His RVS post was needlessly overexplanatory and nervous.
I used very similar reasoning to catch scum!Cantripmancer in Apocalypse Mafia (you can click the quote over there) and I later backpedaled on him because he was making better posts. I don't want the same thing to happen again.
Well, it'd be nice if you could accurately represent the post. Specific made a post in sign-ups saying he liked Yoda. As I obviously have Imperial leanings in regards to my feelings about the entire canon, and I didn't know whether you or Generic made the post, I just made references to both the fact that I don't like one of you, but I can't tell which. Also, applying one player's meta in a game the other player hasn't read isn't all that awesome for analysis.
I do have the gift of foresight. Would you like to know how this game will go without me referencing my alignment?
I'm assuming that this is a serious "get out of RVS" vote on hans for some reason I don't know yet.
Would you still have made the same vote if he has a meta of opening the game with that phrase?
Probbbbbably? It was literally the only post made when I checked the thread, and it was something that would usually generate a visceral reaction to parse later. Either an overreaction from Hans, or someone pouncing on it in a manner that made them more likely to be scum. Something.
But nothing really came of it because TK things happened and then generic Generic happened.
Regarding TK uh.
Hm.
I don't think I really agree with the logic behind 'this other guy made a similar post as scum, so this guy is scum' - but his reaction (or lack thereof?) is a thing. Joke, vanish, and hope it blows over via people getting distracted? I could see it.
Unvote ; Vote TK-numbers
@TK - place a serious vote, and give another preliminary scum read. Gut is fine, just back it up with at least what is twinging gut.
And now, it's YOUR turn to learn about me and mafia. You see, I've played (or modded) with a few of the others (Generic, Proph, RobRoy, Rhand). One thing you'll find is that I:
A) love jokes. As a mod, I'm not allowed to troll and need to set a good example. Except in Mafia! I can totally troll people here. And I LOVE to troll.
B) I have a night shift. So what you'll see is me make a post or two and then silence during the day. I suggest you look at Modfia 9, where the Vote Counts, Death Scenes and what not were almost all at midnight my time.
A serious vote shall wait, I work backwards, looking for townie players. I'm liking Proph. He's completely misguided, but he's actually thinking. Daegan's first post read completely town to me. AE reads town as well, for questioning whether I was in Apocalypse (I haven't even read it), and thus the validity of the comparison.
I have some spoiler stuff I need to work on tonight, but I will reread the first 230ish posts again to see if anything sticks out more to me.
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Alright, I'm going to parse through the thread and list my thoughts. I was somewhat scattered today posting from a mobile device and want to get my D1 thoughts out in a clear, concise manner.
Voxx's RVS vote feels weird because he stated that it's a serious vote, and it reminded me of how Megiddo caught me in Sesame Street by my sXe vote:
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Speaking of bad votes, you're voting sxe, who has done exactly one thing across three posts. Did you research him to find if he has a history of replacing out as scum? Because he cited RL issues, and I see no reason to question that.
How about this, I'll do it for you:
CCM VI: Replaced out; cited RL issues; was town
Gotham: Modkilled due to inactivity; cited RL issues; was town
Office: Replaced out; no citation; was town
Mr. Potato Head: Replaced out; cited RL issues; was town
You even played with him in Office, so you should know this is his M.O.
Oh, and before you tell me you're voting him for his RVS post and not for the replace out (though you are voting him for the replace out)... I looked at that too, and the results aren't in your favor. There's a mix of behaviors, which tells me that a noncommittal RVS post is null from him.
So in effect you've staked your claim on a total null read. Good job. Post your reads list.
tl;dr Prophylaxis's posts are 99% useless.
...Actually, I feel like I was wrong in that regard - I kept my vote on sXe long after RVS has ended, and Voxx used it as a jumping off point to test hans's reaction. Hm.
Either way, this is why I initially voted Voxxicus, though double-checking my reasoning makes me think that my initial reason for voting him is incorrect.
Vote Proph for possibly liking Yoda. Unvote, Vote Generic for also possibly liking Yoda
Which ever one of you posted that on Specific, I'm totes voting you! Also, for being in my Modfia.
A little spiel, but lately I've been doing all I can do to understand and use RVS as a scumhunting tool, because at heart, I'm a lazy scumhunter. I like to look at someone's first post and call them scum, because it's scumhunting with the most minimal work. That's why I like to do votal analysis and interactions - you note them, analyze them a bit, and you get tons of information being poured onto the thread.
This RVS vote pinged my gut hard because Cantripmancer, in Apocalypse Mafia, made a very similar post that I quoted in that post. It just doesn't have that RVS "feel" to it, and it reads as very nervous. "Oh, here's a reason to vote you! Also, I'm voting you because blah" reads as a needlessly overexplanatory RVS post. It feels a artificial effort to be "fun" during RVS, which is why I'm scumreading TK.
In addition, I've noticed that the best time to catch scum are either during RVS or during the first couple of pages coming out of RVS, because that's where scum have a hard initial time putting their "mask" on.
This feels like appeasement + continuing the artificial humor that was present in his RVS post.
I quoted his gimmick account, Captain Tzymo, because I knew he was scum in that game (FHF Mafia) (heh, didn't know it was a reference to Star Wars)
I'm going to wait a while for Generic to start towning up his slot, since he's so difficult to read. (Not going to make the mistake I made in Apocalypse, which was place too much emphasis on Voxx's reads)
Generic, have you gotten into a D1 fight before as town, out of RVS? (This is reminding me of House, Majora's Mask, Marvel Madness, etc)
Again with Rhand. I'm not sure how people are getting the idea he's scummy, but I'm not familiar with his scum meta, and he is frequently mislynched as town. I'll wait to see how he develops.
Dagaen probably town for reasons I already stated.
greensleeves, ugh. I want to say he's town, but I have a gut feeling that prevents me from putting him into the town pile. I just don't have a good feeling about him despite his scumhunting, and I can't really back that up with evidence.
@UALives: Do you disagree with me re: Generic's alignment?
I don't have a read on Generic's alignment yet. Any help in that department is much appreciated! I'm trying to figure out why a cat fight has broken out while "the credits are still rolling", it's fishy.
This is why I said that UA lives felt like newb!town - curiosity.
(Though I hope I don't clear newbs again based on Klevenklop; ugh)
I do think that hawk is town though.
Up to #98 now, and yeah, that post rang my alarm bells. It's really strange; my gut tells me that UA is town, and greensleeves is scum, but I can't find any evidence to support those two facts - it's all gut.
Scum is lining up pretty nicely here. As soon as rhand started taking the spotlight and generic faded into the background we had new posters coming out of the woodwork to defend him and attack those that voted against him.
"likely" scum-rhand, greensleeves, TK,
rhand has been trying to manipulate signals that weren't there since the word go and is currently trying to point the finger at those that fingered him.
Greensleeves jumped in to rescue him by voting for me with no argument to support.
TK acted very weird in the beginning and has since given us the silent treatment (which to his credit has gotten the heat off him).
"unlikely" scum-generic for the reasons I have previously stated.
I implore those that are still sitting back and listening to get in the game as we have a lot of information to work with and some very suspicious candidates.
Yeah, this post is really bad too. Tons of deflection.
Even though my gut makes me uncomfortable with a UA lynch, I'm fine with lynching him, though I obviously would prefer to lynch TK, who is caught scum. I'm not too confident in lynching players if I have no meta basis for them yet. (UA could be a dumb VI, which is what I'm trying to investigate)
@UA
Can you give me a link to your most recently completed town game and your most completed scum game, if you're willing to link to those off-site?
I am so sorry for not participating till now, as this is my first game ever I would like to say thanks for having me guys and I really hope everyone has fun
Reading the last 8 pages has been a interesting experience for my first time and from the get go the back and forth between Rhand and Generic put me through a loop.
From what I read after that and during that this is my opinions on the matter
Rhand seems to be pushing the right buttons and I can tell he knows what he is doing, right now he is leaning towards scum to me but still very on the fence, the arguments he placed when he was accused of being scum were very off-putting and seemed to me shady.
Dagaen I can tell is very experienced and doesnt say anything in his posts that isnt thought about first. This I feel is alittle to careful and I am leaning towards him being scum.
UA lives is another person that i can tell that his experience has taught him how to be very careful. Yet you can see that when he starts to get noticed he gets somewhat emotional which is leading me to a strong lean towards scum.
Generic I feel seemed very emotional and this being my very first game seemed to through up a red flag, from what I read though alot of people are leaning towards him being town and even though I am not sure about this Im gonna jump on the wagon with this.
7hawk77 from what i read never really popped out any red flags and i believe to be town for now
Robroy I feel came in at the right time and using his experience has been able to read alot of people well, I feel he is town
In result of it all I am vote:UA lives the latest actions of this player has set forth my vote and as Rob said I am very interested to see what will happen/change as more players join
Yeah this post makes me cringe, alright.
First off, the bolded is a guilty mindset. The game just started; you don't need to come in and apologize for being so late.
His reads are just pretty weird, in general. I feel like it's not providing much original content. It also feels slightly.. non-commital? I know he votes UA lives but this post just makes me feel bad.
UA lives, why are you using the word "threat" in referring to me?
The people that are going to kill us at night (the Mafia) are threats, are they not? I said you seem safe to me (town). I said I don't think you're a threat. Is that suspicious to you that I don't think you are scum:confused:
Usually we refer to one other as "he's town" or "he's scum". Evaluating people by threat level is scum language.
"Threat analysis", etc.
I will need to do more in-depth work on UA's alignment - behavior suggests scum, gut says dumb VI.
Is there a limit for quote nesting? I hate to see big-ass post with one sentence of actual info.
This should be next Duel Deck. Zealous Rhand against Chaotic UA. For now I'm tired of watching this. So guys, what's your opinion on Archmage Eternal? He showed up, pasted bunch of quotes on Rhand and then voted Voxx without explanation.
I laughed audibly at the bolded.
This is normal AE. "Laconic, short, and to the point as always." Feel free to read up on some games, he's hard to read.
And TK's post is just a bunch of defense.
I *could* go with a UA lives lynch but I'm like 90% certain of TK being scum. Now I know why Seppel was so ballsy was the daykill.
Not sure about doing votal analysis this early - it's better when I have actual reads on people, but for now..
Generic and Voxxicus go in the Generic pile, or "the pile where I have to take multiple Days to find out their alignment"
Dagaen and hawk are strong town reads. I know Dagaen and this is not his scum game. I can literally paste quotes as to how he is as scum. hawk is behaviorally similar to Apocalypse.
Alright, I'm going to parse through the thread and list my thoughts. I was somewhat scattered today posting from a mobile device and want to get my D1 thoughts out in a clear, concise manner.
Generic and Voxxicus go in the Generic pile, or "the pile where I have to take multiple Days to find out their alignment"
Dagaen and hawk are strong town reads. I know Dagaen and this is not his scum game. I can literally paste quotes as to how he is as scum. hawk is behaviorally similar to Apocalypse.
Mentioned scumreads, and yeah. Caught up.
I'm curious as to why you're so sure about TK could you expand on your 90% feeling. I agree with you that sirgrizz is playing strangely.
My top 5 looks the same as your list currently but you have greensleeves as sixth safest which I just can't get behind. Why do you feel that his position is so safe?
Hi UA lives! Please answer the following question:
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@UA
Can you give me a link to your most recently completed town game and your most completed scum game, if you're willing to link to those off-site?
Use the info from THIS GAME to make your choices. I don't know any of you and am not going to go through tons of other games to figure you guys out. I'm going off what happens in THIS game. If you think I've been scummy here than that's fair, if you think I'm newbish than that's fine as well. Ask me more questions if you really feel I'm scum.
Use the info from THIS GAME to make your choices. I don't know any of you and am not going to go through tons of other games to figure you guys out. I'm going off what happens in THIS game. If you think I've been scummy here than that's fair, if you think I'm newbish than that's fine as well. Ask me more questions if you really feel I'm scum.
I was interested if you had meta so that I could you more accurately, but okay, fine.
I mean, I don't think you should be lynched toDay since you're being wagonned very quickly and TK claimed scum (plus, you're the counterwagon) but I'm interested in getting a better read on you because I don't want to be burned, since your posts are fairly scummy.
Use the info from THIS GAME to make your choices. I don't know any of you and am not going to go through tons of other games to figure you guys out. I'm going off what happens in THIS game. If you think I've been scummy here than that's fair, if you think I'm newbish than that's fine as well. Ask me more questions if you really feel I'm scum.
I was interested if you had meta so that I could you more accurately, but okay, fine.
I mean, I don't think you should be lynched toDay since you're being wagonned very quickly and TK claimed scum (plus, you're the counterwagon) but I'm interested in getting a better read on you because I don't want to be burned, since your posts are fairly scummy.
I understand. I haven't played with this group before so my mannerisms are more cultured towards my other group. It's just something I have to fight through I guess.
Again, I didn't notice TK claiming scum, and you spell this out as this could change the game pretty drastically if you have something solid.
Because of what happened in [redacted], I am quite heavily in the 'pairing players instead of hunting single scum'-tell, which is why I 'singled you out' Generic.
That and your RVS post didn't sound like it was an RVS post.
Also, like I already said, RVS posts are made from the mindset that you've got from your role, which is why so many people are caught in RVS: your defences aren't up yet because you're joking around, so it's much easier to spot the subconscious tells in those posts than it is later on.
You calling what I did there 'massive hypocrisy' is a misrep: RVS being over or not is not the reason I am voting you.
You! Rhand! You need to analyze my VERY first post. Of all the opinions, yours may be the most intriguing.
UA, I'm confused to no end by you. When SirGrizz said he was going to do his rounds, you mention he "goes silent", but as soon as he mentions that you and Rhand "going silent" would be bad, you act indignant because it was late. But he wasn't referencing the fact that you weren't posting. He was replying to why you and Rhand had posted so much.
Your post resigning yourself to lurking was completely terrible. But then you are still involved. Of all the players, you're the one that sets off the most alarms for me.
Vote: UA lives
Proph, you are soooooooooo boring. Seriously. Do you know what game you're playing? I'll give you a hint, it doesn't start with A, and it doesn't end with pocalypse. I get that you're feeling fresh off your success, but I literally cannot read your posts because you continually try to fit this game into another one.
I'll give you one point here, you mentioned something early on that was hilarious. You were talking about masks and RVS. Here's the issue: I HAVE NO MASK. This is how I know how this game is going to play out.
A) I'm town. Someone will pressure me on something stupid (like an RVS vote). At some point, I will crack, I will implode, and if you're lucky, I won't reveal half the PRs in the game. If you're unlucky, it'll end like Modfia 7, where I, as pressured town, ended up revealing ALL the PRs to the mafia.
B) I'm mafia. I will think I'm oh so clever, and enact some grand scheme. This scheme will only serve to get me lynched or vigged.
And no matter how much I fight these tendencies, I can't win. For some reason, I just can't evolve past these. So there you go. This isn't to persuade you to stop your case on an RVS vote. But you didn't answer my question, so I assumed a yes.
Anyway, your entire case is based on an RVS vote, and my troll/breadcrumb response to it. Sooooo.... there's nothing to even say there. Like, I've seen players attacked for voting themselves, voting the mod, choosing a vote based on an RNG. All those players were town too. One of them was me.
Because of what happened in [redacted], I am quite heavily in the 'pairing players instead of hunting single scum'-tell, which is why I 'singled you out' Generic.
That and your RVS post didn't sound like it was an RVS post.
Also, like I already said, RVS posts are made from the mindset that you've got from your role, which is why so many people are caught in RVS: your defences aren't up yet because you're joking around, so it's much easier to spot the subconscious tells in those posts than it is later on.
You calling what I did there 'massive hypocrisy' is a misrep: RVS being over or not is not the reason I am voting you.
You! Rhand! You need to analyze my VERY first post. Of all the opinions, yours may be the most intriguing.
UA, I'm confused to no end by you. When SirGrizz said he was going to do his rounds, you mention he "goes silent", but as soon as he mentions that you and Rhand "going silent" would be bad, you act indignant because it was late. But he wasn't referencing the fact that you weren't posting. He was replying to why you and Rhand had posted so much.
Your post resigning yourself to lurking was completely terrible. But then you are still involved. Of all the players, you're the one that sets off the most alarms for me.
Vote: UA lives
Proph, you are soooooooooo boring. Seriously. Do you know what game you're playing? I'll give you a hint, it doesn't start with A, and it doesn't end with pocalypse. I get that you're feeling fresh off your success, but I literally cannot read your posts because you continually try to fit this game into another one.
I'll give you one point here, you mentioned something early on that was hilarious. You were talking about masks and RVS. Here's the issue: I HAVE NO MASK. This is how I know how this game is going to play out.
A) I'm town. Someone will pressure me on something stupid (like an RVS vote). At some point, I will crack, I will implode, and if you're lucky, I won't reveal half the PRs in the game. If you're unlucky, it'll end like Modfia 7, where I, as pressured town, ended up revealing ALL the PRs to the mafia.
B) I'm mafia. I will think I'm oh so clever, and enact some grand scheme. This scheme will only serve to get me lynched or vigged.
And no matter how much I fight these tendencies, I can't win. For some reason, I just can't evolve past these. So there you go. This isn't to persuade you to stop your case on an RVS vote. But you didn't answer my question, so I assumed a yes.
Anyway, your entire case is based on an RVS vote, and my troll/breadcrumb response to it. Sooooo.... there's nothing to even say there. Like, I've seen players attacked for voting themselves, voting the mod, choosing a vote based on an RNG. All those players were town too. One of them was me.
Because it was my RVS post. And I'm capricious. . .
. . . But that was my first post, and as Celestia as my witness, it was going to be pure RVS.
This sets off ALL the alarm bells! Extremely defensive when caught. Proph found a mistake you made, now you're trying to cover it up, poorly I might add. That was not an RVS post, that was a mistaken tell.
Turning on me to get the heat off of yourself may seem to you like a quick way to get out of the spotlight, but it's such an obvious bandwagon vote it isn't even funny.
The fact that you're now cozying up to rhand is the icing on the cake.
UNVOTE
VOTE:TK-421
Here's where I'm at and please tell me where you guys are at so we can get a handle on our vote for tonight.
Scum:
[COLOR="Red"]TK-421[/COLOR] His story is falling apart, the bandwagon vote to shift the spotlight is newbish and I know he's played a lot so there has to be an alterior motive, plus cozying up torhand who is all but confirmed as mafia.
[COLOR="red"]rhand[/COLOR]Went after generic way too hard out of the gate and gave himself away, then laid low to try and escape the heat. Now he's back to short responses to facilitate blame away from himself.
Greensleeves[COLOR="SandyBrown"][/COLOR]He was running in strange circles initially with rhand and asking questions he already knew the answers to in an attempt to try and keep me n the hot seat. He's been dodgy when asked to answer simple questions as well but it could have been that he didn't see them(?), benefit of the doubt there.
[COLOR="rgb(244, 164, 96)"]sirgrizz[/COLOR] Came on the scene overly apologetic and claiming newb status, I let him stand by that, but then he starts to make irrational statements about mafia protecting each other, when I asked him to clarify his statements he was evasion and still hasn't given a detialed account of his answer.
[COLOR="rgb(244, 164, 96)"]hungry[/COLOR] Has only posted a few sentences and all of them were quick jabs at me. Hasn't been helpful at trying to identify inconsistencies quickly jumped on the whirlwind bandwagon vote against me.
[COLOR="rgb(244, 164, 96)"]Cyouni/COLOR] His entire contribution to this game is "hhmm vote UA lives". Pretty strange that he isn't looked at more suspiciously for a bandwagon vote, he was asked to clarify and hasn't said a word.
[COLOR="Blue"]generic[/COLOR] We had a run in early on but he doesn't come across as scum to me. Just very emotional and excitable.
[COLOR="blue"]dagaen[/COLOR] Clearly town at this point. Has been pretty relaxed and his questions have actually led some where and gotten people to explain themselves. I like productive town.
[COLOR="blue"]7hawk77[/COLOR] He caught on to rhand about the same time as I did and isn't letting him off the hook. Hasn't shown any scum tendencies and has supported his statements.
[COLOR="blue"]voxxicus[/COLOR] Has tried to participate and figure out what's going on but then received very peculiar attacks from the bandwagon.
[COLOR="blue"]proph[/COLOR] Has identified TK-421's tell, which I'm pretty impressed by. He even got TK to incriminate himself in his last post.
[COLOR="blue"]emocakes[/COLOR]Hasn't posted much but didn't set off any alarms either.
Also, if I'm mafia as you assert, I'm not turning on you. Unless I'm town, and you were trying to buddy with that defense of me, which was unnecessary. I guess then you could see me as turning on you.
How about a little pact. We lynch me today, we lynch you tomorrow?
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Also, if I'm mafia as you assert, I'm not turning on you. Unless I'm town, and you were trying to buddy with that defense of me, which was unnecessary. I guess then you could see me as turning on you.
How about a little pact. We lynch me today, we lynch you tomorrow?
Why are you so eager to be lynched? That's the second time you've either eluded to voting for yourself or offered yourself up for lynching. Pretending you don't care isn't going to work here.
You are bandwagoning becaue the heat is shifting and it's making you sweat, apparently when you sweat you say things that make you look scummy.
Now I'll ask you and I expect an answer. Who all seems scummy and who seems firmly town at this point?
First, it's alluded. Eluding a lynch would be if I survive Day 1. It's unlikely, as I alluded to above.
Second, because I've found mafia. I do care about surviving. However, my life is pointless if it means taking down a mafiate.
Finally, I'll point out that my pact has little risk to the town as a whole. If I am mafia, and you are town, no town in the world would lynch you. If I am mafia and you are mafia, still no town would lynch you, this is the largest risk. If I am town, and you are mafia, then I died to help a win, because a 1-for-1 at this stage of the game would be amazing, especially with you. If you are town, and I am town, then unless we are PRs, the town has lost little but nuisances, as you and I both appear scummy.
I'll note that my first offering to vote myself (which I never actually did) was a breadcrumb. It should be easy enough for even the dumbest of simpletons to figure out...
As for your question, I refuse to give my T/S list until you fulfill my first request: Quote where I cozied up to Rhand.
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said to rhand Of all the opinions, yours may be the most intriguing." His opinion isn't at all intriguing. You're trying to either make friends to take the pressue off your scummy behavior or he's in the scum camp with you, which is what many of us are starting to figure out. Doesn't take a genius to analyze your cover up. You aren't exactly good at playing as scum are you? It's not an insult, just many players have a the same prolem as you.
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I've given my arguments on you. Rhand I dislike currently because of his aggressive attacks on Generic with Generic's responses swaying me. Cyouni is because the single post, where they start with a vote on you well into the game, and hasn't been back yet. I expect more from a player of that caliber, so this may be a similar situation as myself, where it got late for them and just haven't been able to respond, but it looks weird and bad.
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This is why I wanted you to quote. Because I don't trust Rhand, it why it's most intriguing. Like I said, Proph's isn't intriguing. It's boring. "This is just like this other post by another player in a completely different game" repeated ad nauseum.
I will let Proph in on a little secret. It is meant to be similar to another RVS vote I've seen. But this one's a Modfia before they were made public... Heh, but now that I type this, I don't even know if that player was mafia or not. With my luck, they totally were, and I just emulated two mafiates, both by accident.
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This is why I wanted you to quote. Because I don't trust Rhand, it why it's most intriguing. Like I said, Proph's isn't intriguing. It's boring. "This is just like this other post by another player in a completely different game" repeated ad nauseum.
I will let Proph in on a little secret. It is meant to be similar to another RVS vote I've seen. But this one's a Modfia before they were made public... Heh, but now that I type this, I don't even know if that player was mafia or not. With my luck, they totally were, and I just emulated two mafiates, both by accident.
BRB with the results!
In that context in makes more sense. The thread which i quoted came off as a bit complimentary at first but after explanation makes more sense.
UA's scumlist is really interesting. I think I've broken the pattern.
From scum to Town:
TK-421 - Voted UA and Proph doesn't like him. Clearly the scum.
rhand - Attacked UA multiple times. Big scum!
Greensleeves - Also pressured UA.
sirgrizz - Voting UA.
hungry - Voting UA.
Cyouni - Voting UA.
generic - Attacked Rhand, doesn't vote UA, probably good.
dagaen - Doesn't vote UA, probably good. And Proph seems to be ok with him.
7hawk77 - attacked Rhand, probably good.
voxxicus - Rhand doesn't like him, probably good.
proph - He actually defended UA, he's like ultimate Town!!!
emocakes - This guy been silent, but he doesn't vote UA, so he's fine.
Seems like strong reads.
Bravo, I actually laughed out loud a bit.
The problem with your reasoning is that I don't trust the bandwagon vote, it's notoriously wrong in rounds one and two. The fact that the vote was on me is incidental and you'll see in the following rounds that I will stand up against a bandwagon vote which doesn't add up.
I would appreciate if you at least used my arguments for the candidates and not just strawman me.
Whoever thinks I'm town should in fact start voicing there concerns over who is scum and make a vote as I'm not long for this world based on the bandwagon technique that appears to be super successful in this forum.
Oh my crap. How could I not remember that?! It was town!Iso IN THE VERY FIRST GAME I EVER MODDED... STORMTROOPER MAFIA
I hate to distract, but the this is just too rich. So I had 12 stormtroopers, 3 were rebel infiltrators, and the mafia had full fake PM claims, and I allowed PM quoting. I noticed in the Modfias there was a tendency for the players to want to mass claim early (because most mods are newbs in the Modfias). So I put in this huge temptation to do it. They resisted luckily!
Ok, back to the killing and the backstabbing!
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UA's scumlist is really interesting. I think I've broken the pattern.
From scum to Town:
TK-421 - Voted UA and Proph doesn't like him. Clearly the scum.
rhand - Attacked UA multiple times. Big scum!
Greensleeves - Also pressured UA.
sirgrizz - Voting UA.
hungry - Voting UA.
Cyouni - Voting UA.
generic - Attacked Rhand, doesn't vote UA, probably good.
dagaen - Doesn't vote UA, probably good. And Proph seems to be ok with him.
7hawk77 - attacked Rhand, probably good.
voxxicus - Rhand doesn't like him, probably good.
proph - He actually defended UA, he's like ultimate Town!!!
emocakes - This guy been silent, but he doesn't vote UA, so he's fine.
Seems like strong reads.
Bravo, I actually laughed out loud a bit.
The problem with your reasoning is that I don't trust the bandwagon vote, it's notoriously wrong in rounds one and two. The fact that the vote was on me is incidental and you'll see in the following rounds that I will stand up against a bandwagon vote which doesn't add up.
I would appreciate if you at least used my arguments for the candidates and not just strawman me.
I don't think it's incidental. Your list is just giant OMGUS on everyone. Emocakes basically said nothing, why is he your top Town read? What was that big scumtell in TK post that earned him top of your list? Why is he more scummy than Rhand or SirGrizz?
Your list is quite incosistent and before that I was giving you a benefit of the doubt. Do you think my reasoning is flawed now? Don't you see how your list looks?
My list is full of bandwagon voters and a guy that tried pitifully to get generic at the beginning which I really can't accept. I don't think you've given me the benefit of any doubt but I do believe you are being honest, which makes me think you are town.
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But you already called hawk town. Now you're taking that back? He hasn't posted since you made that call.
And did I read that correctly that you think Proph is town?
I don't typically ask players to elaborate on why they're voting other players unless I find the vote suspicious.
I thought I had answered any questions you had? Feel free to link or give the post # if I missed any.
Rhand never attacked you. He said he didn't like you. But he also said he didn't like TK, Voxx, or Generic. How was he responsible for your wagon?
For the third time why are you voting for me?
UA you are kind of confusing me are you asking why I am voting for you, I have explained why 2 times now. Your posts previous to you going emotional and saying your going to leave made be believe you were scum (I will no longer use sith as I guess I was in the wrong) After the fact the people I have accused to be scum seems to be working together, protecting each other. I quoted a few examples when I accused Proph of being Scum...
As for now my opinion is that Proph, Dagean, UA lives, Rhand are scum...Proph started it.
Yes I am taking back my opinion that hawk is town, the lack of posts makes me question, I was trying to explain that the fact that the few posts he had were posts that made him noticeable. But for now I am not sure
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I may be jumping in here in mid conversation, but do you think scum would not do this?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Your message just kind of goes back into my theory tho the Scum are trying to protect each other
Proph has gone out of his way to protect Dagaen and UA Lives
UA Lives has tried Protecting Proph stating he hasnt done anything note worthy
And Dagean now protecting UA Lives and Rhand
Rhand is the only one that I havent read to actually post that he is protecting someone else but his actions and posts have me leaning towards him being scum
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I see it.
Pretty much, whats your question?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
There is more but I'd rather not turn this in to the biggest post ever.
This is Rhand pushing generic's buttons. Rhand has played with generic a few times as well as I have.
Generic's gameplay can be off the wall, schizophrenic and sometimes brilliant. Often times he ends up digging himself very deep very quickly. He's gotten frustrated and claimed randomly and can be very temperamental. This isn't a bad thing for him as a player because it makes him harder to read because his actions are more based on his mood than on his alignment.
If I'm town, there is no reason why I would really start accusing generic until I'm convinced that he is scum. Why would I try and screw with him if he's been known to claim randomly? It's just anti town to frustrate a player in to blurting out their role. Rhand knows this. I'm sure he wasn't maliciously trying to piss generic off and being outright mean, but he knew what he was doing.
I think we've figured out Rhand's true identity...
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Yes, I was dismembered by God's *****. Captain Tzymo started as a gimmick for posting rumors anonymously (as is sometimes needed in my position). However, I found it was rare, and that not having the ability to see hidden users, which most Mafia players are, was helpful.
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Well, it'd be nice if you could accurately represent the post. Specific made a post in sign-ups saying he liked Yoda. As I obviously have Imperial leanings in regards to my feelings about the entire canon, and I didn't know whether you or Generic made the post, I just made references to both the fact that I don't like one of you, but I can't tell which. Also, applying one player's meta in a game the other player hasn't read isn't all that awesome for analysis.
I do have the gift of foresight. Would you like to know how this game will go without me referencing my alignment?
And now, it's YOUR turn to learn about me and mafia. You see, I've played (or modded) with a few of the others (Generic, Proph, RobRoy, Rhand). One thing you'll find is that I:
A) love jokes. As a mod, I'm not allowed to troll and need to set a good example. Except in Mafia! I can totally troll people here. And I LOVE to troll.
B) I have a night shift. So what you'll see is me make a post or two and then silence during the day. I suggest you look at Modfia 9, where the Vote Counts, Death Scenes and what not were almost all at midnight my time.
A serious vote shall wait, I work backwards, looking for townie players. I'm liking Proph. He's completely misguided, but he's actually thinking. Daegan's first post read completely town to me. AE reads town as well, for questioning whether I was in Apocalypse (I haven't even read it), and thus the validity of the comparison.
I have some spoiler stuff I need to work on tonight, but I will reread the first 230ish posts again to see if anything sticks out more to me.
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Voxx's RVS vote feels weird because he stated that it's a serious vote, and it reminded me of how Megiddo caught me in Sesame Street by my sXe vote:
...Actually, I feel like I was wrong in that regard - I kept my vote on sXe long after RVS has ended, and Voxx used it as a jumping off point to test hans's reaction. Hm.
Either way, this is why I initially voted Voxxicus, though double-checking my reasoning makes me think that my initial reason for voting him is incorrect.
A little spiel, but lately I've been doing all I can do to understand and use RVS as a scumhunting tool, because at heart, I'm a lazy scumhunter. I like to look at someone's first post and call them scum, because it's scumhunting with the most minimal work. That's why I like to do votal analysis and interactions - you note them, analyze them a bit, and you get tons of information being poured onto the thread.
This RVS vote pinged my gut hard because Cantripmancer, in Apocalypse Mafia, made a very similar post that I quoted in that post. It just doesn't have that RVS "feel" to it, and it reads as very nervous. "Oh, here's a reason to vote you! Also, I'm voting you because blah" reads as a needlessly overexplanatory RVS post. It feels a artificial effort to be "fun" during RVS, which is why I'm scumreading TK.
In addition, I've noticed that the best time to catch scum are either during RVS or during the first couple of pages coming out of RVS, because that's where scum have a hard initial time putting their "mask" on.
You're confirming yourself as scum with that, y'know
This feels like appeasement + continuing the artificial humor that was present in his RVS post.
I quoted his gimmick account, Captain Tzymo, because I knew he was scum in that game (FHF Mafia) (heh, didn't know it was a reference to Star Wars)
I'm going to wait a while for Generic to start towning up his slot, since he's so difficult to read. (Not going to make the mistake I made in Apocalypse, which was place too much emphasis on Voxx's reads)
Generic, have you gotten into a D1 fight before as town, out of RVS? (This is reminding me of House, Majora's Mask, Marvel Madness, etc)
Again with Rhand. I'm not sure how people are getting the idea he's scummy, but I'm not familiar with his scum meta, and he is frequently mislynched as town. I'll wait to see how he develops.
Dagaen probably town for reasons I already stated.
greensleeves, ugh. I want to say he's town, but I have a gut feeling that prevents me from putting him into the town pile. I just don't have a good feeling about him despite his scumhunting, and I can't really back that up with evidence.
This is why I said that UA lives felt like newb!town - curiosity.
(Though I hope I don't clear newbs again based on Klevenklop; ugh)
I do think that hawk is town though.
Up to #98 now, and yeah, that post rang my alarm bells. It's really strange; my gut tells me that UA is town, and greensleeves is scum, but I can't find any evidence to support those two facts - it's all gut.
Yeah, this post is really bad too. Tons of deflection.
Even though my gut makes me uncomfortable with a UA lynch, I'm fine with lynching him, though I obviously would prefer to lynch TK, who is caught scum. I'm not too confident in lynching players if I have no meta basis for them yet. (UA could be a dumb VI, which is what I'm trying to investigate)
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Can you give me a link to your most recently completed town game and your most completed scum game, if you're willing to link to those off-site?
Yeah this post makes me cringe, alright.
First off, the bolded is a guilty mindset. The game just started; you don't need to come in and apologize for being so late.
His reads are just pretty weird, in general. I feel like it's not providing much original content. It also feels slightly.. non-commital? I know he votes UA lives but this post just makes me feel bad.
..Yeah, dislike this too.
Usually we refer to one other as "he's town" or "he's scum". Evaluating people by threat level is scum language.
"Threat analysis", etc.
I will need to do more in-depth work on UA's alignment - behavior suggests scum, gut says dumb VI.
I laughed audibly at the bolded.
This is normal AE. "Laconic, short, and to the point as always." Feel free to read up on some games, he's hard to read.
And TK's post is just a bunch of defense.
I *could* go with a UA lives lynch but I'm like 90% certain of TK being scum. Now I know why Seppel was so ballsy was the daykill.
Not sure about doing votal analysis this early - it's better when I have actual reads on people, but for now..
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Cantripmancer
Emocakes
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UA lives
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I'm town.
Generic and Voxxicus go in the Generic pile, or "the pile where I have to take multiple Days to find out their alignment"
Dagaen and hawk are strong town reads. I know Dagaen and this is not his scum game. I can literally paste quotes as to how he is as scum. hawk is behaviorally similar to Apocalypse.
Mentioned scumreads, and yeah. Caught up.
Fair enough, I guess. Can you answer my question about linking me to your most recently completed town game and most recently completed scum game?
After some shower thinking I'm going against the UA lives bandwagon.
I think he's scummy but I'm not letting confirmed scum slip out of my grasp again (TK) and once TK is dead we can do anything we want about UA.
My gut is saying that UA lives is a town VI.
Voxxicus
TK-421
greensleeves
SirGrizz
I'm curious as to why you're so sure about TK could you expand on your 90% feeling. I agree with you that sirgrizz is playing strangely.
I don't know if that got nath'd or you're just intentionally obstinate.
GooniesTownies never say die.@TK: What's your opinion on Rhand vs. UA?
@Proph: How are the things you pointed out about Grizz more likely scum than new-town?
Use the info from THIS GAME to make your choices. I don't know any of you and am not going to go through tons of other games to figure you guys out. I'm going off what happens in THIS game. If you think I've been scummy here than that's fair, if you think I'm newbish than that's fine as well. Ask me more questions if you really feel I'm scum.
I've never played in a game where scum quit so I guess YMMV. Town members get bored or frustrated and quit all the time.
Usually I'm able to figure out if someone is newb-town quickly (Dagaen) and SirGrizz isn't emitting any towntells so far.
I was interested if you had meta so that I could you more accurately, but okay, fine.
I mean, I don't think you should be lynched toDay since you're being wagonned very quickly and TK claimed scum (plus, you're the counterwagon) but I'm interested in getting a better read on you because I don't want to be burned, since your posts are fairly scummy.
I understand. I haven't played with this group before so my mannerisms are more cultured towards my other group. It's just something I have to fight through I guess.
Again, I didn't notice TK claiming scum, and you spell this out as this could change the game pretty drastically if you have something solid.
@proph: What do you think of my Voxx case?
You! Rhand! You need to analyze my VERY first post. Of all the opinions, yours may be the most intriguing.
UA, I'm confused to no end by you. When SirGrizz said he was going to do his rounds, you mention he "goes silent", but as soon as he mentions that you and Rhand "going silent" would be bad, you act indignant because it was late. But he wasn't referencing the fact that you weren't posting. He was replying to why you and Rhand had posted so much.
Your post resigning yourself to lurking was completely terrible. But then you are still involved. Of all the players, you're the one that sets off the most alarms for me.
Vote: UA lives
Proph, you are soooooooooo boring. Seriously. Do you know what game you're playing? I'll give you a hint, it doesn't start with A, and it doesn't end with pocalypse. I get that you're feeling fresh off your success, but I literally cannot read your posts because you continually try to fit this game into another one.
I'll give you one point here, you mentioned something early on that was hilarious. You were talking about masks and RVS. Here's the issue: I HAVE NO MASK. This is how I know how this game is going to play out.
A) I'm town. Someone will pressure me on something stupid (like an RVS vote). At some point, I will crack, I will implode, and if you're lucky, I won't reveal half the PRs in the game. If you're unlucky, it'll end like Modfia 7, where I, as pressured town, ended up revealing ALL the PRs to the mafia.
B) I'm mafia. I will think I'm oh so clever, and enact some grand scheme. This scheme will only serve to get me lynched or vigged.
And no matter how much I fight these tendencies, I can't win. For some reason, I just can't evolve past these. So there you go. This isn't to persuade you to stop your case on an RVS vote. But you didn't answer my question, so I assumed a yes.
Anyway, your entire case is based on an RVS vote, and my troll/breadcrumb response to it. Sooooo.... there's nothing to even say there. Like, I've seen players attacked for voting themselves, voting the mod, choosing a vote based on an RNG. All those players were town too. One of them was me.
I suggest you learn from Futurama Mafia.
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This sets off ALL the alarm bells! Extremely defensive when caught. Proph found a mistake you made, now you're trying to cover it up, poorly I might add. That was not an RVS post, that was a mistaken tell.
Turning on me to get the heat off of yourself may seem to you like a quick way to get out of the spotlight, but it's such an obvious bandwagon vote it isn't even funny.
The fact that you're now cozying up to rhand is the icing on the cake.
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Here's where I'm at and please tell me where you guys are at so we can get a handle on our vote for tonight.
Scum:
[COLOR="Red"]TK-421[/COLOR] His story is falling apart, the bandwagon vote to shift the spotlight is newbish and I know he's played a lot so there has to be an alterior motive, plus cozying up torhand who is all but confirmed as mafia.
[COLOR="red"]rhand[/COLOR]Went after generic way too hard out of the gate and gave himself away, then laid low to try and escape the heat. Now he's back to short responses to facilitate blame away from himself.
Greensleeves[COLOR="SandyBrown"][/COLOR]He was running in strange circles initially with rhand and asking questions he already knew the answers to in an attempt to try and keep me n the hot seat. He's been dodgy when asked to answer simple questions as well but it could have been that he didn't see them(?), benefit of the doubt there.
[COLOR="rgb(244, 164, 96)"]sirgrizz[/COLOR] Came on the scene overly apologetic and claiming newb status, I let him stand by that, but then he starts to make irrational statements about mafia protecting each other, when I asked him to clarify his statements he was evasion and still hasn't given a detialed account of his answer.
[COLOR="rgb(244, 164, 96)"]hungry[/COLOR] Has only posted a few sentences and all of them were quick jabs at me. Hasn't been helpful at trying to identify inconsistencies quickly jumped on the whirlwind bandwagon vote against me.
[COLOR="rgb(244, 164, 96)"]Cyouni/COLOR] His entire contribution to this game is "hhmm vote UA lives". Pretty strange that he isn't looked at more suspiciously for a bandwagon vote, he was asked to clarify and hasn't said a word.
[COLOR="Blue"]generic[/COLOR] We had a run in early on but he doesn't come across as scum to me. Just very emotional and excitable.
[COLOR="blue"]dagaen[/COLOR] Clearly town at this point. Has been pretty relaxed and his questions have actually led some where and gotten people to explain themselves. I like productive town.
[COLOR="blue"]7hawk77[/COLOR] He caught on to rhand about the same time as I did and isn't letting him off the hook. Hasn't shown any scum tendencies and has supported his statements.
[COLOR="blue"]voxxicus[/COLOR] Has tried to participate and figure out what's going on but then received very peculiar attacks from the bandwagon.
[COLOR="blue"]proph[/COLOR] Has identified TK-421's tell, which I'm pretty impressed by. He even got TK to incriminate himself in his last post.
[COLOR="blue"]emocakes[/COLOR]Hasn't posted much but didn't set off any alarms either.
Please quote where I cozy up to Rhand.
Also, if I'm mafia as you assert, I'm not turning on you. Unless I'm town, and you were trying to buddy with that defense of me, which was unnecessary. I guess then you could see me as turning on you.
How about a little pact. We lynch me today, we lynch you tomorrow?
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Why are you so eager to be lynched? That's the second time you've either eluded to voting for yourself or offered yourself up for lynching. Pretending you don't care isn't going to work here.
You are bandwagoning becaue the heat is shifting and it's making you sweat, apparently when you sweat you say things that make you look scummy.
Now I'll ask you and I expect an answer. Who all seems scummy and who seems firmly town at this point?
Second, because I've found mafia. I do care about surviving. However, my life is pointless if it means taking down a mafiate.
Finally, I'll point out that my pact has little risk to the town as a whole. If I am mafia, and you are town, no town in the world would lynch you. If I am mafia and you are mafia, still no town would lynch you, this is the largest risk. If I am town, and you are mafia, then I died to help a win, because a 1-for-1 at this stage of the game would be amazing, especially with you. If you are town, and I am town, then unless we are PRs, the town has lost little but nuisances, as you and I both appear scummy.
I'll note that my first offering to vote myself (which I never actually did) was a breadcrumb. It should be easy enough for even the dumbest of simpletons to figure out...
As for your question, I refuse to give my T/S list until you fulfill my first request: Quote where I cozied up to Rhand.
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NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION, STOP BEING EVASIVE.
Town
[COLOR="Blue"]Generic
Prophylaxis
Dagaen
Cantripmancer
SirGrizz
Archmage Eternal
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RobRoy
Hunger[/COLOR]
7Hawk77
Emocakes
Voxxicus
hansanator
Greensleeves
[mod]Rhand
Cyouni
UA lives[/COLOR]
I've given my arguments on you. Rhand I dislike currently because of his aggressive attacks on Generic with Generic's responses swaying me. Cyouni is because the single post, where they start with a vote on you well into the game, and hasn't been back yet. I expect more from a player of that caliber, so this may be a similar situation as myself, where it got late for them and just haven't been able to respond, but it looks weird and bad.
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Town
Generic
Prophylaxis
Dagaen
Cantripmancer
SirGrizz
Archmage Eternal
RobRoy
Hunger
7Hawk77
Emocakes
Voxxicus
hansanator
Greensleeves
Rhand
Cyouni
UA lives
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Thank you for the quick response.
I will let Proph in on a little secret. It is meant to be similar to another RVS vote I've seen. But this one's a Modfia before they were made public... Heh, but now that I type this, I don't even know if that player was mafia or not. With my luck, they totally were, and I just emulated two mafiates, both by accident.
BRB with the results!
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In that context in makes more sense. The thread which i quoted came off as a bit complimentary at first but after explanation makes more sense.
Bravo, I actually laughed out loud a bit.
The problem with your reasoning is that I don't trust the bandwagon vote, it's notoriously wrong in rounds one and two. The fact that the vote was on me is incidental and you'll see in the following rounds that I will stand up against a bandwagon vote which doesn't add up.
I would appreciate if you at least used my arguments for the candidates and not just strawman me.
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I hate to distract, but the this is just too rich. So I had 12 stormtroopers, 3 were rebel infiltrators, and the mafia had full fake PM claims, and I allowed PM quoting. I noticed in the Modfias there was a tendency for the players to want to mass claim early (because most mods are newbs in the Modfias). So I put in this huge temptation to do it. They resisted luckily!
Ok, back to the killing and the backstabbing!
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No, I don't think you're scum.
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Why are you unvoting? You just listed me as at the bottom of your scum list just a few moments ago? What has changed?
My list is full of bandwagon voters and a guy that tried pitifully to get generic at the beginning which I really can't accept. I don't think you've given me the benefit of any doubt but I do believe you are being honest, which makes me think you are town.