The people on my list are who I consider likely town. My statement amount you/Bigtraine was comparative. That is, to say, you're acting more town than Bigtraine was.
But you say you didn't read him as scum to begin with?
That's right. My read on Bigtraine was null but I have you leaning town on account of your questions. Because you're a sub I didn't have as much if acreage on you as I did those who made my list. I've obviously seen a lot more posts from you now and we've interacted quite a bit now, so my position is changing (I increasingly see you as town). That list was a snapshot in time, not my definitive list of "everyone here is town, by POE everyone else is scum". Hope that clarifies.
After getting notes from others on inactivity, I am now suspicious of Kosa and condoms. Need to see more content from them.
@ Kosa/ condoms: please, thoughts on:
- swishh and explosiveforce interaction so far
@ Kosa: Rhand has you as town after 4 posts. Why do you think this is a d do you think (Rhand - he?) can take such a position already?
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Vote: Rhand <-- Look, it's your sig come to life
Also, I'm wary of aethiest for his attack on fulcrum.
Comes at an odd time immediately after swishh and fulcrum both put pressure on bigtrainee.
Very agressive phrasing and loaded questions ruin an otherwise solid attack.
I'm getting mixed messages here. The attack is solid, but itn makes you weary.
Do you think this is an attempt at a counter wagon? Scum bussing scum? Because these are the vibes I'm getting from you about it.
Counterwagon.
I have no problems with the attack itself, it's all mostly valid points and questions.
What caught my interest is that the attack came after fulcrum went after swishh and switched to bigtrainee.
I can see swishh and AG Scum team together.
I don't like how AG passed over swishh for fulcrum doing the same thing, and I don't like how swishh is blatantly barning everything that hawk is saying.
I was looking into Swishh right before I reread fulcrum. His actions have been poor, but his responses to my questioning were town. The problem I have with fulcrum is how inconsistent her stance is towards you. There seems to be a disconnect between what she says her stance on you is and what her actual thoughts about your alignment are. This is hugely scummy and is also the major difference between her and Swishh.
If you want to look into what triggered me to reread fulcrum, it was hawk's post about her and bigtrainee. I remembered fulcrum being one of the 3-4 players that I had marked for having a slightly scummy post and rereading her showed me her inconsistency.
Hm, if explosiveforce's replacement ever flips scum, this post is a goldmine.
I'm itching to analyse it, but there's nothing productive about making conclusions like that before someone flips.
Swishh: how sure are you of your read? Being non-committed isn't always a tell for new players. Him looking for people bussing /distancing each other often is a tell tho. It's the same tell I saw Deathjoey and Fulcrum committing.
@Fulcrum: Others don't tend to really read quotewars when they're not part of it, so I'm gonna avoid that.
Answers:
* Looking for unaligned pairs is good. Looking for teams doesn't work before one of them flips.
* I didn't write anything worth mentioning on Explosiveforce in my notes after that post
Is there anything I should've noted? (apart from what Swishh pointed out)
* I've played quite a lot of games with Kosa. He feels genuine. Low postcount is not a scumtell for him. It is a tell of something, but I'm not going to explain what.
* The vote looked serious
* I did not interfere with AG's case. Voting is not interference. I won't leech on AG's case just because you want me to. It's bad manners and can undermine AG's questioning.
* I'll drop the percentages thing for now. If it is indicative of play style for you, then that's noted for future games. (I'll need to see you do it as town tho before I take your word for that)
* The distraction is a bad excuse. Why would you allow yourself to get distracted from analysing a prime suspect's posts?
I don't like how you just did the 'ask someone a question' thing again.
EF's post is either a massive noob slip or a massive town slip. I'm leaning towards it being a town tell.
It takes me a long time to come to decisions about alignments usally, if I had to choose two townies now though, I'd have to go with 7hawk77 and Rhand I think.
Mind linking what post stuck out to you that showed you a town mentality from me and Rhand?
Thanks
I like Rhand's catch up post, But I now have Zem higher then him. Like what hes done now.
And theres no one post from you I could point as a smoking gun and see "Look, town" I feel your actively looking for scum. Thats the feeling I'm getting.
Its still early however. and I'd like to hear from Ex-force and Kapaca. I'd like to have something from him other then a naked FOS
Storyteller: I like his early play. The only thing that bothers me is that he says he can't chase Swishh anymore because what he does is often done by vets, yet still keeps his vote there.
I'm not in the habit of unvoting unless I'm voting someone else.
^I don't understand the relevance as it pertains to mafia?
Activity will be spotty for the rest of this week. Swishh noted as also not paying attention to the game atm. AG noted for being cute and fluffy.
worth noting, but none of his later three, despite the fact that swishh even managed to make an argument out of those three?
Yes. I didn't have anything about them in my notes.
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Fulcrum: I don't like how he votes Swishh after RVS to declare the vote as serious in a later post. The first vote should've been serious in the first place?
Most of my notes on him are covered in AG's case. I particularly dislike his use of percentages.
Him having to 'look back' to see that he doesn't like Bigtraine's reaction to his own question is very bad.
I don't see her vote on Swishh changing to a serious one as being suspicious.
Her first post was poking fun at Swishh, and she even begins her next post with "but seriously".
I also don't like you and whoever the other person was that went after the use of percentages.
Such nuances are irrelevant.
I've had people chase me on such nuances in the past, and they generally turned out to be scum.
"whoever the other person was"? Are you even interested in finding scum?
Like I said, I'll drop the percentages thing.
Hm, if explosiveforce's replacement ever flips scum, this post is a goldmine.
I'm itching to analyse it, but there's nothing productive about making conclusions like that before someone flips.
Do make that analysis.
Knowing what you thought of the post before the flip will be much more significant than knowing what you think after the flip.
Such analysis is only useful if EF is scum, and would be a bucket full of WIFOM until we see his flip. I don't see a point in doing so unless he flips scum.
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Unvote.
If you haven't read anything, why weren't you afraid of your vote on me being a hammer?
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Unvote.
If you haven't read anything, why weren't you afraid of your vote on me being a hammer?
It didn't even cross my mind. Although if you were at L-1, there would have been a reason so I wouldn't feel that bad. At least 6 other people would have seen you as scummy already.
Hey everyone - Like PG said I'll be V/LA for a bit. I'll try and post some thoughts in the next day or so and sporadically after that. I'll be back to normal form next week.
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Vote: Rhand <-- Look, it's your sig come to life
Unvote.
If you haven't read anything, why weren't you afraid of your vote on me being a hammer?
Yes, that would be prudent. Too bad you already voted. How is voting at this point in the day a good choice if you haven't read the entire thread? How did you know you weren't hammering Cyan?
Hm, if explosiveforce's replacement ever flips scum, this post is a goldmine.
I'm itching to analyse it, but there's nothing productive about making conclusions like that before someone flips.
Do make that analysis.
Knowing what you thought of the post before the flip will be much more significant than knowing what you think after the flip.
Such analysis is only useful if EF is scum, and would be a bucket full of WIFOM until we see his flip. I don't see a point in doing so unless he flips scum.
Perhaps, but we can ignore the post for now and then come back to it later.
Or are you so afraid for there to be more material for us to judge you on in the future?
Per request of Storyteller, I'll analyse this post starting from the assumption that Explosiveforce is scum. Please ignore this until/unless he flips scum.
I don't like doing this without a flip
I'll use color to give my analysis.
My lack of care for this game is really really high. I might just ask for replacement, sorry.
I will attempt to send out some stuff before I go. First off, haven't voted because I just straight up forgot. I would vote now, but I feel like it wouldn't be fair for my replacement.
I don't know who to vote for, though. It's been, what, several extra pages and fulcrum has redeemed themselves fairly well, actively scum hunting with her "ask someone a question" which I think shows that fulcrum actively wants to get reads on people instead of being aggressively painting everyone scum. It's the phrasing, I guess, and even though the jump from Deathjoey to swishh back to no-one is still kind of suspect in my eyes, I really can't deny right now that fulcrum is showing her attempts to scum hunt. When you go "ask someone a question", that means that they're searching for reads and trying toget people more active - and it's something I can sympathize with. Scum just wouldn't do that, they don't actively search out reads.
"Cant deny that fulcrum is showing attempts to scumhunt" is an important phrase. "Can't deny" points to the fact that EF wants Fulcrum not to do what she is doing: "attempt to scumhunt". EF saw a possible mislynch target in Fulcrum and because of this, he can't pursue her.
If EF flips scum, Fulcrum is not his buddy.
Um, swishh's vote on me is a thing and not complete OMGUS, but I'm not sure what else has changed since my last vote on him. I see nothing that forgives his earlier behaviour in regards to making up reasoning for his vote on Deathjoey. I'm kind of biased but I don't see the exact reasoning of swishh's case, but that's irrelevant because I can't read, apparently. I'm non-committal because of the lack of vote that I forgot. Got it. Am I missing something here?
Also, troubled by the fact that a lot of what made swishh scum in my eyes was his interactions with fulcrum, who looks fairly town about now.
This is a whole lot of nothing about Swishh. This is more about himself and another town clear of Fulcrum. I can't make up how he thinks about Swishh from this.
It's been enough time that I'm OK making a list of people in the game:
Rhand/Bigtraine: I still do not understand Bigtraine's case, but Rhand's reads are off to me. Whether that's because I disagree with them or because some of them are irrelevant - see my own, zeman, Azuriae - but that first post just reeked of off to me.
Also, all that text and Im not exactly sure what his second highest scum read is. I personally don't like that.
This shows he's not reading as at the end of my reads post I did list 2 scumreads, not just one. This seems like an attempt to smear me: why would he write this without questioning me about my reads before?
Condoms: has swag. I just like these people who come in, drop intent to vote and leave. It's just a thing. Yes, this is null.
I don't like how he "likes" Condoms for 1 post. If EF flips scum, Condoms is a possible buddy.
Kosa: no content. Coupled with my early scum read, I don't like this. Would go for #1 scum.
While he talks positively about Condoms for having no content, he does not do so about Kosa. I doubt he's buddies with Kosa.
storyteller: has he posted past Deathjoey saga? I do remember town posts from him, though. Would like a statement right about now.
He remembers "town" posts from Storyteller. Not townish posts, but town posts. If EF flips scum, he cleared Storyteller.
7hawk77: Any other time, I would call scum on hawk because of his simple commentary but I'm getting town reads out of his fingers. Questions is important, etc etc. He's been consistently town so far because... as a feeling, I can't explain, but it might be due to the in-depth questions he asks. He questions people's tactics, I guess. Through a town perspective.
How often can you use the word "town" on someone while stating that you would call him scum any other time? Very plausible buddy.
Zeman: posted more recently, I'm not sure if he's simply wordily barning swishh but I find it slightly suspect. He shows participation, so Null at best, though.
For some reason he doesn't want to use the word "scum" in his Zeman read: he gives a decent reason for Zeman to be scum, but calls him "null at best" instead of "leaning scum". Possible buddy that he doesn't want to smear.
Raptor: Quiet, don't like it. I had Azuriae as town, but RR is running 7hawk's commentary but at a lower level that seems fairly scummy. Needs more post for a solid read, but leaning scum.
Here he does use the "lean scum" phrase. He calls him "lean scum" for being like Hawk who he calls town. I think that Raptor can only be his buddy if both Hawk and Zeman are not his buddies. I lean towards him not being his buddy though.
Deathjoey: ehhhhh. He seems like the type of guy that I can't read fairly well, but I haven't seen anything super scummy from him. Lean town.
This is the "goldmine" I was talking about. If EF flips scum, Deathjoey is very probably his buddy. This is your typical "he's my buddy and I don't know what to say about him" post. He has no reads at all on him but puts him in his "lean town" category. He hasn't seen anything "super scummy" seems to imply that he has seen "scummy" things that aren't "super".
AG: town, case on fulcrum is still a good thing. I said he was light and fluffy before, but ever since the case of fulcrum I like him a lot more.
He calls AG town for a case on someone he thinks is town. Weird. Both scum and town make cases on town; that's not a towntell. Possible buddy.
Current scum era are:
Kosa
swishh
Rhand/RR, depending on further posts
While not having a real stance on Swishh in his reads, he puts him on this list. This makes Swishh a possible buddy.
Would vote Kosa for extra prod.
Conclusions: if EF flips scum:
Very likely buddy:
Deathjoey
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Quoting relevant stuff that triggered my Kosa Sense while I was rereading. Yes I'm aware some people already replaced out, but I feel it's important to point to their stuff anyway, so bear with me:
Even considering the silliness involved, town would like to have a Day Cop pegging scum on D1. Instead, you express relief that he isn't one and didn't. Noted.
Per request of Storyteller, I'll analyse this post starting from the assumption that Explosiveforce is scum. Please ignore this until/unless he flips scum.
I don't like doing this without a flip
I'll use color to give my analysis.
My lack of care for this game is really really high. I might just ask for replacement, sorry.
I will attempt to send out some stuff before I go. First off, haven't voted because I just straight up forgot. I would vote now, but I feel like it wouldn't be fair for my replacement.
I don't know who to vote for, though. It's been, what, several extra pages and fulcrum has redeemed themselves fairly well, actively scum hunting with her "ask someone a question" which I think shows that fulcrum actively wants to get reads on people instead of being aggressively painting everyone scum. It's the phrasing, I guess, and even though the jump from Deathjoey to swishh back to no-one is still kind of suspect in my eyes, I really can't deny right now that fulcrum is showing her attempts to scum hunt. When you go "ask someone a question", that means that they're searching for reads and trying toget people more active - and it's something I can sympathize with. Scum just wouldn't do that, they don't actively search out reads.
"Cant deny that fulcrum is showing attempts to scumhunt" is an important phrase. "Can't deny" points to the fact that EF wants Fulcrum not to do what she is doing: "attempt to scumhunt". EF saw a possible mislynch target in Fulcrum and because of this, he can't pursue her.
If EF flips scum, Fulcrum is not his buddy.
Um, swishh's vote on me is a thing and not complete OMGUS, but I'm not sure what else has changed since my last vote on him. I see nothing that forgives his earlier behaviour in regards to making up reasoning for his vote on Deathjoey. I'm kind of biased but I don't see the exact reasoning of swishh's case, but that's irrelevant because I can't read, apparently. I'm non-committal because of the lack of vote that I forgot. Got it. Am I missing something here?
Also, troubled by the fact that a lot of what made swishh scum in my eyes was his interactions with fulcrum, who looks fairly town about now.
This is a whole lot of nothing about Swishh. This is more about himself and another town clear of Fulcrum. I can't make up how he thinks about Swishh from this.
It's been enough time that I'm OK making a list of people in the game:
Rhand/Bigtraine: I still do not understand Bigtraine's case, but Rhand's reads are off to me. Whether that's because I disagree with them or because some of them are irrelevant - see my own, zeman, Azuriae - but that first post just reeked of off to me.
Also, all that text and Im not exactly sure what his second highest scum read is. I personally don't like that.
This shows he's not reading as at the end of my reads post I did list 2 scumreads, not just one. This seems like an attempt to smear me: why would he write this without questioning me about my reads before?
Condoms: has swag. I just like these people who come in, drop intent to vote and leave. It's just a thing. Yes, this is null.
I don't like how he "likes" Condoms for 1 post. If EF flips scum, Condoms is a possible buddy.
Kosa: no content. Coupled with my early scum read, I don't like this. Would go for #1 scum.
While he talks positively about Condoms for having no content, he does not do so about Kosa. I doubt he's buddies with Kosa.
storyteller: has he posted past Deathjoey saga? I do remember town posts from him, though. Would like a statement right about now.
He remembers "town" posts from Storyteller. Not townish posts, but town posts. If EF flips scum, he cleared Storyteller.
7hawk77: Any other time, I would call scum on hawk because of his simple commentary but I'm getting town reads out of his fingers. Questions is important, etc etc. He's been consistently town so far because... as a feeling, I can't explain, but it might be due to the in-depth questions he asks. He questions people's tactics, I guess. Through a town perspective.
How often can you use the word "town" on someone while stating that you would call him scum any other time? Very plausible buddy.
Zeman: posted more recently, I'm not sure if he's simply wordily barning swishh but I find it slightly suspect. He shows participation, so Null at best, though.
For some reason he doesn't want to use the word "scum" in his Zeman read: he gives a decent reason for Zeman to be scum, but calls him "null at best" instead of "leaning scum". Possible buddy that he doesn't want to smear.
Raptor: Quiet, don't like it. I had Azuriae as town, but RR is running 7hawk's commentary but at a lower level that seems fairly scummy. Needs more post for a solid read, but leaning scum.
Here he does use the "lean scum" phrase. He calls him "lean scum" for being like Hawk who he calls town. I think that Raptor can only be his buddy if both Hawk and Zeman are not his buddies. I lean towards him not being his buddy though.
Deathjoey: ehhhhh. He seems like the type of guy that I can't read fairly well, but I haven't seen anything super scummy from him. Lean town.
This is the "goldmine" I was talking about. If EF flips scum, Deathjoey is very probably his buddy. This is your typical "he's my buddy and I don't know what to say about him" post. He has no reads at all on him but puts him in his "lean town" category. He hasn't seen anything "super scummy" seems to imply that he has seen "scummy" things that aren't "super".
AG: town, case on fulcrum is still a good thing. I said he was light and fluffy before, but ever since the case of fulcrum I like him a lot more.
He calls AG town for a case on someone he thinks is town. Weird. Both scum and town make cases on town; that's not a towntell. Possible buddy.
Current scum era are:
Kosa
swishh
Rhand/RR, depending on further posts
While not having a real stance on Swishh in his reads, he puts him on this list. This makes Swishh a possible buddy.
Would vote Kosa for extra prod.
Conclusions: if EF flips scum:
Very likely buddy:
Deathjoey
Plausible buddies:
Swishh
Hawk
Zeman
AG
Probably not buddy:
Raptor
Not buddies:
Fulcrum
Kosa
Storyteller
I very much like this. Some points I don't agree though:
- I'm not seeing his stance of fulcrum the same way you are. I think he's trying to take attention away from fulcrum via softtalk, especially considering he (EF) is a new player AFAIK.
- Zeman's "townslip" in my opinion makes him very unlikely to be scum. He could be scum with hawk considering how they aren't interacting very much, but I don't think that's likely.
- Considering the speed of Deathjoey's wagon, I also don't think he's scum. I felt he answered everything directed at him during his wagon in a good manner, not panicked or otherwise scummy. EF could just be trying to stay away from a staggering mislynch wagon.
Sorry I've been slacking guys, got sent a new CFB article brief :S will be doing a full re-read and posting substantively tomorrow night. In the meantime:
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I like this post very much, as zemanjaski wasn't voting anyone and still unvotes regardless. It shows that he isn't being careful with his votes around, a trait scum usually pay close attention to.
Rhand, can you explain why you think Kosa is town? In my read through I have noted only a small number of posts, all of which are devoid of content. He (she?) is going to post more soon, so how can you be moving to clear him already??
Why not pose the same question to hawk, who also has me as one of his top town reads?
This is a red flag. There's no reason to unvote an RVS vote first of all. Second, to make a point of explaining the unvote is self-conscious. This is compounded by the lack of other content in the post.
Unvote
Vote: Bigtraine
While I didn't like that bigtraine's post prior to the one you're referring to, this is utter bull****. Many people have the habit of unvoting when RVS is over and you should know that. Also, the lack of content is due to the fact that post is obviously a EBWODP.
I can't figure out why would you post this. At most, it seems a weak attempt at distancing (that or an easy way for you to leave Joey's crumbling wagon), so I'll keep this in mind if by any chance one of you two flip scum.
Yet again, I agree with hawk. His scum flip will look pretty bad for fulcrum.
For you as well, if he ever does. Albeit now I'm much more inclined to believe, after Fulcrum's vote, that Bigtraine became the low-hanging fruit. What gives me pause is how Rhand has me as town here after half a dozen posts. AFAIK he always calls me scum in every game we play together. Could be buddying, bears watching.
Um scum candidates are swishh, fulcrum, and someone else who I haven't decided on yet, because Im haven't been properly reading. Swishh because it took him a long time just to justify his point, which reads "Oh I was oppurtunistic scum I've been caught, let's make some excuse and then concentrate on Bigtraine for a silly reason - I do distinctly remember in past games that everyone unvotes because RVS is over. . Fulcrum because he unvoted swishh for the silliest reason and that's all I can remember. I did see AG's post and I'm aware I might be kind of barning him.
Oh yeah, and Kosa, though that's changing . Kosa because I don't trust his response to 7hawk77. But his nex few posts were OK, so I'm not 100% sure on I need to reread eventually.
Yes, I thought that whole weak unvote vote from fulcrum off swishh indicates weak bussing to take suspicion away from swishh.
If I was going to choose who was more scum, it would probably be swishh. At an outside chance swishh is just fairly dense town (but Occam's Razor) while fulcrum's unvote on swishh to the next vote on, Bigtraine for weaker reasons than swishh, could be seen as throwing suspicion on every person he can so that he can net a mislynch on everyone later. But they're probably both scum anyways.
Your reasoning is silly because (the reasoning) was because of a really, really slow explanation that came after lots of scumminess (which I believe you even noted) from swishh. Unvoting him because he finally answered your question without even noting his precluding scumminess was something very unexpected and scummy to me. It felt like you were just finding access to argue your case against swishh.
The easiest explanation, for me, was that you were weakly bussing swishh. Is the term distancing? I think it's called distancing. Does that make more sense? I'm bad at mafia language apparently
non-committal suspicion strike 3
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Vote:explosiveforce
What made you pay attention to explosiveforce's posts? I don't recall you commenting on him at all.
What is it with you guys and the percentages? Bigtraine used them in Basic 79 and no one had a problem. But fine, I won't use them again if they're obfuscating my intent so much.
This is Silver Rage right here, in its purest form.
I don't know who to vote for, though. It's been, what, several extra pages and fulcrum has redeemed themselves fairly well, actively scum hunting with her "ask someone a question" which I think shows that fulcrum actively wants to get reads on people instead of being aggressively painting everyone scum. It's the phrasing, I guess, and even though the jump from Deathjoey to swishh back to no-one is still kind of suspect in my eyes, I really can't deny right now that fulcrum is showing her attempts to scum hunt. When you go "ask someone a question", that means that they're searching for reads and trying toget people more active - and it's something I can sympathize with. Scum just wouldn't do that, they don't actively search out reads.
Fulcrum's scumbuddy. Thanks for making this easy guys.
Um, swishh's vote on me is a thing and not complete OMGUS, but I'm not sure what else has changed since my last vote on him. I see nothing that forgives his earlier behaviour in regards to making up reasoning for his vote on Deathjoey. I'm kind of biased but I don't see the exact reasoning of swishh's case, but that's irrelevant because I can't read, apparently. I'm non-committal because of the lack of vote that I forgot. Got it. Am I missing something here?
Fencesits like a boss. Not sure on how that reflects swish's alignment if EF is indeed scum.
Rhand/Bigtraine: I still do not understand Bigtraine's case, but Rhand's reads are off to me. Whether that's because I disagree with them or because some of them are irrelevant - see my own, zeman, Azuriae - but that first post just reeked of off to me.
TL;DR: I'd happily vote for EF, but I'd rather lynch fulcrum toDay.
I don't like swish.
I didn't like Bigtraine that much but that's more based on interactions. Rhand seems fine though.
I'm torn on hawk and Rancid Raptor.
I like Deathjoey and AGod.
Kpaca is a jello bro.
Story and Zeman are town. I'll be very, very shocked if they ever flip scum.
It's early. I'm trying to put pressure on as many different people as possible to gauge reactions. And I disagree about the RVS unvote. Rhand's most recent posts are reinstating my read on Bigtraine.
The problem swishh is I find alot of your reasons for pressuring is off and it just feels like you are all over the place. Voting bigtraine shows that you have intention to lynch him because he is scum, rhand replaces in and in one post, you clear bigtraine rhand and back up where his vote goes with your own? Scum are not going to feel threatened by your schizophrenic play.
Anyways, I'm going to look in to this more later and I'll give my top 2 lynch picks.
I don't, in fact I think you are more likely scum. Your pressuring is more forced than genuine. Why are you trying to beg the question in a way that makes me identify you as town?
I don't, in fact I think you are more likely scum. Your pressuring is more forced than genuine. Why are you trying to beg the question in a way that makes me identify you as town?
Because you've implied he's town in the post before his question.
That post makes no sense if you believe swish to be scum. You just slipped.
I hadn't re-read Hawk as I had him originally leaning town, and being a little too focused I had not paid as much attention to him after my initial read through. After that least interaction, I am going to re-read his posts.
Thanks for your substantial post, gives me a lot to go through.
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Swish Votes Bigtraine.
Bigtraine gets replaced by Rhand.
Rhand makes 1 post.
Swish unvotes and votes for who rhand is now voting for.
Generally if you think someone is scum, you don't vote for the person they are trying to get lynched.
THEN he goes back to voting for Rhand after saying things like:
My lack of care for this game is really really high. I might just ask for replacement, sorry.
I will attempt to send out some stuff before I go. First off, haven't voted because I just straight up forgot. I would vote now, but I feel like it wouldn't be fair for my replacement.
I don't know who to vote for, though. It's been, what, several extra pages and fulcrum has redeemed themselves fairly well, actively scum hunting with her "ask someone a question" which I think shows that fulcrum actively wants to get reads on people instead of being aggressively painting everyone scum. It's the phrasing, I guess, and even though the jump from Deathjoey to swishh back to no-one is still kind of suspect in my eyes, I really can't deny right now that fulcrum is showing her attempts to scum hunt. When you go "ask someone a question", that means that they're searching for reads and trying toget people more active - and it's something I can sympathize with. Scum just wouldn't do that, they don't actively search out reads.
Um, swishh's vote on me is a thing and not complete OMGUS, but I'm not sure what else has changed since my last vote on him. I see nothing that forgives his earlier behaviour in regards to making up reasoning for his vote on Deathjoey. I'm kind of biased but I don't see the exact reasoning of swishh's case, but that's irrelevant because I can't read, apparently. I'm non-committal because of the lack of vote that I forgot. Got it. Am I missing something here?
Also, troubled by the fact that a lot of what made swishh scum in my eyes was his interactions with fulcrum, who looks fairly town about now.
It's been enough time that I'm OK making a list of people in the game:
Rhand/Bigtraine: I still do not understand Bigtraine's case, but Rhand's reads are off to me. Whether that's because I disagree with them or because some of them are irrelevant - see my own, zeman, Azuriae - but that first post just reeked of off to me.
Also, all that text and Im not exactly sure what his second highest scum read is. I personally don't like that.
Condoms: has swag. I just like these people who come in, drop intent to vote and leave. It's just a thing. Yes, this is null.
Kosa: no content. Coupled with my early scum read, I don't like this. Would go for #1 scum.
storyteller: has he posted past Deathjoey saga? I do remember town posts from him, though. Would like a statement right about now.
7hawk77: Any other time, I would call scum on hawk because of his simple commentary but I'm getting town reads out of his fingers. Questions is important, etc etc. He's been consistently town so far because... as a feeling, I can't explain, but it might be due to the in-depth questions he asks. He questions people's tactics, I guess. Through a town perspective.
Zeman: posted more recently, I'm not sure if he's simply wordily barning swishh but I find it slightly suspect. He shows participation, so Null at best, though.
Raptor: Quiet, don't like it. I had Azuriae as town, but RR is running 7hawk's commentary but at a lower level that seems fairly scummy. Needs more post for a solid read, but leaning scum.
Deathjoey: ehhhhh. He seems like the type of guy that I can't read fairly well, but I haven't seen anything super scummy from him. Lean town.
AG: town, case on fulcrum is still a good thing. I said he was light and fluffy before, but ever since the case of fulcrum I like him a lot more.
Its not so much the RVs vote, its the wording that he forgot to do an actual vote. Its like he meant to put on the facade to have an actual vote.
If he was town, I think he would have just said he meant to spend more time analyzing and forgot about the game. Saying he forgot to vote is like saying he forgot how to pretend to be town as scum.
Me and Rhand basically discuss what is wrong with that post. Meanwhile Swish comments on how that makes Rhand look better while completely ignoring ExplosiveForce's post and not directly talking to either of us.
If explosive flips scum, I'd bet either Swish/fulcrum is scum as well.
In other news, I read through some of Disney Villains mafia and Swish seemed to be way more helpful to town in that game than he is currently being in this game. I'm not sure if he decided to change his meta but that makes him look mildly more town and we can wait to see how explosive flips.
The problem swishh is I find alot of your reasons for pressuring is off and it just feels like you are all over the place. Voting bigtraine shows that you have intention to lynch him because he is scum, rhand replaces in and in one post, you clear bigtraine rhand and back up where his vote goes with your own? Scum are not going to feel threatened by your schizophrenic play.
Anyways, I'm going to look in to this more later and I'll give my top 2 lynch picks.
how can you say that you think I'm scum when you tell me that you believe scum (in the third person) is not going to be intimidated by my play? why would scum be intimidated by a buddy's play?
Either you are scum, and you are on the same team so you won't intimidate them because you are working towards the same goal... Or you are town and you throw votes all over the place that don't make sense and your vote becomes only a number with no real weight to guide lynches.
Whichever the case, Scum will not be intimidated by your play.
The problem swishh is I find alot of your reasons for pressuring is off and it just feels like you are all over the place. Voting bigtraine shows that you have intention to lynch him because he is scum, rhand replaces in and in one post, you clear bigtraine rhand and back up where his vote goes with your own? Scum are not going to feel threatened by your schizophrenic play.
Anyways, I'm going to look in to this more later and I'll give my top 2 lynch picks.
As swish first pointed out, the bold leaves no doubt you're referring to swish as if he's town. But you said you have him as scum. It doesn't add up.
You've slipped. You're scum and will be lynched accordingly toDay. We can leave fulcrum and Eron for toMorrow.
Either you are scum, and you are on the same team so you won't intimidate them because you are working towards the same goal... Or you are town and you throw votes all over the place that don't make sense and your vote becomes only a number with no real weight to guide lynches.
Whichever the case, Scum will not be intimidated by your play.
Either you are scum, and you are on the same team so you won't intimidate them because you are working towards the same goal... Or you are town and you throw votes all over the place that don't make sense and your vote becomes only a number with no real weight to guide lynches.
Whichever the case, Scum will not be intimidated by your play.
This does not add up with your first post. Your implication was that I was trying (unsuccessfully) to intimidate scum. That clearly indicates you believe I'm town.
I've got pretty good reasoning on why I think you are town kosa and seeing you this misguided is pretty frustrating.
I'm interested in what Zeman, AG and Kpaca feel about Explosive, swish and myself.
Explosive was one of the people I marked as possible scum early on. However, his reads post is a strong town tell. I agree with Rhand that it's a goldmine if EF shows up scum, but I doubt that he will because of that post.
Either you are scum, and you are on the same team so you won't intimidate them because you are working towards the same goal... Or you are town and you throw votes all over the place that don't make sense and your vote becomes only a number with no real weight to guide lynches.
Whichever the case, Scum will not be intimidated by your play.
This post is terrible. The mindset you are constructing here is clearly different from what you had originally. The town response would have been to admit that your tone set Swishh as town and say that was a mistake. Mistakes happen. This explanation is just lying about what your mindset was.
1.* Looking for unaligned pairs is good. Looking for teams doesn't work before one of them flips.
2.* I didn't write anything worth mentioning on Explosiveforce in my notes after that post
Is there anything I should've noted? (apart from what Swishh pointed out)
3.* I've played quite a lot of games with Kosa. He feels genuine. Low postcount is not a scumtell for him. It is a tell of something, but I'm not going to explain what.
4.* The vote looked serious
5.* I did not interfere with AG's case. Voting is not interference. I won't leech on AG's case just because you want me to. It's bad manners and can undermine AG's questioning.
6.* I'll drop the percentages thing for now. If it is indicative of play style for you, then that's noted for future games. (I'll need to see you do it as town tho before I take your word for that)
7.* The distraction is a bad excuse. Why would you allow yourself to get distracted from analysing a prime suspect's posts?
8.I don't like how you just did the 'ask someone a question' thing again.
Numbers are mine.
1.I disagree, but whatever.
2.I think Swishh covered it. I'll have to remind myself to look at it again when finals are over.
3.Fair enough.
4. I believe in semi-serious votes in RVS.
5. You added your own views to the discussion. That's interference.
6. Alright.
7. Because I'm easily distracted? More seriously, I didn't consider him/you a prime suspect at the time.
8. Deal with it.
Your analysis of explosiveforce's post was very nice, by the way, in a "making me reevalute my read of you" kind of way.
Even considering the silliness involved, town would like to have a Day Cop pegging scum on D1. Instead, you express relief that he isn't one and didn't. Noted.
I feel an obligation to defend this since Bigtraine can't. It's refering to Day 1 events of WWII mafia (namely hans claiming cop and calling Joey scum at the very beginning of the game) that were very distracting to town. I don't think it's valid to attack that post for that reason.
I'm not seeing Zeman's town slip, but I think probably town anyway, so that's cool.
There were (read this carefully-) lots of words in his RVS posts. It's a trend I've noticed among scum during RVS, along with voting scum buddies.
That's all I wanted to hear. Unvote
Wait, so you were actively eagering for swish's explanation in order to... unvote him?
So you knew there was a "correct answer" to your vote? Why did you vote him, then? Because this is an admission that your vote was fabricated.[/QUOTE]
He answered with fairly towny reasoning. That was good enough for me to unvote when there were other people to pressure. There's almost always possible town responses and possible scum responses to my pressure. Otherwise, what's the point?
I was looking into Swishh right before I reread fulcrum. His actions have been poor, but his responses to my questioning were town. The problem I have with fulcrum is how inconsistent her stance is towards you. There seems to be a disconnect between what she says her stance on you is and what her actual thoughts about your alignment are. This is hugely scummy and is also the major difference between her and Swishh.
Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true.
Well considering this lynch is from a BS tell, I'm pretty much ok with it going through. People need to learn to actually evaluate the correct information.
I didn't scum slip because I'm not scum. No one has a real case.
Anyways, I'm vanilla so it won't actually hurt the town that much.
Considering my wagon has 2 of my strongest town and scum reads is definitely sending red flags of misguided town.
I think AG is town because I've played a couple games with him and this is by far the most aggressive I've seen him. When he was scum, he played much more of a lurker game.
I have reasons why I think kosa is town. If you look in to his past two league games, his tone is much more jovial than it currently is. I've also played games where he is town and this is the tone that I am used to him having. Either way, don't blindly follow him even if he is town, he is currently misguided.
I feel confidant in the explosive force lynch. I've already explained why and others have only added on to my case.
Either you are scum, and you are on the same team so you won't intimidate them because you are working towards the same goal... Or you are town and you throw votes all over the place that don't make sense and your vote becomes only a number with no real weight to guide lynches.
Whichever the case, Scum will not be intimidated by your play.
This does not add up with your first post. Your implication was that I was trying (unsuccessfully) to intimidate scum. That clearly indicates you believe I'm town.
I thought you were doing a bad job pressuring and thought you should know. Look at my interactions with rodemy from the last league game. I thought he was scum for a while and his play was bad so I was basically coaching him. I was town and he was scum. If you need a direct link I'll find it later, phone posting.
I did the same thing here because I disagreed with your "pressuring"
I thought you were doing a bad job pressuring and thought you should know. Look at my interactions with rodemy from the last league game. I thought he was scum for a while and his play was bad so I was basically coaching him. I was town and he was scum. If you need a direct link I'll find it later, phone posting.
I did the same thing here because I disagreed with your "pressuring"
Yes I'm going to need you to link that since I see no earthly reason someone who is town would feel the need to teach someone he believes to be scum how to be a better player.
Swishh, why did you wait until there were three other votes on hawk before voting?
Even though you were the one who originally caught the scum slip.
I was waiting for hawk to respond to the question I just reminded him about. I figured a vote would help get a response out of him.
Do you think he's scum? Because that question was awfully loaded, and the entire point here is that he scumslipped by confessing that I'm town. Do you disagree with any of these points or is hawk your scum buddy?
The point wasn't about hawk, it was about you. Your actions don't tell me anything about hawk.
Why did you point me towards hawk?
What were you trying to say about hawk there?
You say that you don't like that I was barning hawk. What don't you like about that? Do you disagree with what hawk says, do you think I'm scum, or what? In other words, what does the fact that I agreed with hawk tell you about him? - what I originally asked.
Why are you bringing this up now? Are you trying to link me and hawk?
Swishh - he could be scum, that slip is pretty big. But I also don't like that you're on this wagon.
I also don't like that you called my post a loaded question, then proceeded too respond with one of your own.
Do I disagree with these points? No.
Does that make me scum buddy with hawk?
Could you fence sit any harder? What don't you like about the fact that I'm voting him?
You're going to have to do a lot of work to argue how it's logically consistent to maintain that he scumslipped (the implication of which being that I'm town) and that I'm his scum buddy. So go ahead.
Stop saying you don't like things. Say WHAT you don't like about them. I don't care what you don't like. I care what reasons you have for not liking them.
Swishh - I said I don't like that you blatantly Barned hawk. Barning is bad because it allows you to get behind an argument without providing any input of your own while also leaving no accountability.
The post itself that you Barned (post 135) was hawk voting for BT while providing zero reasoning for his vote.
Yet you say that you liked his post? Was that because you were already voting BT at the time?
Again, it's not what your actions say about hawk, it's about what they say about you.
Why am I bringing this up now? It's relevant because it's about you and hawk, and I also haven't posted since I asked you those things so it's not as if I waited to do so.
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That's right. My read on Bigtraine was null but I have you leaning town on account of your questions. Because you're a sub I didn't have as much if acreage on you as I did those who made my list. I've obviously seen a lot more posts from you now and we've interacted quite a bit now, so my position is changing (I increasingly see you as town). That list was a snapshot in time, not my definitive list of "everyone here is town, by POE everyone else is scum". Hope that clarifies.
After getting notes from others on inactivity, I am now suspicious of Kosa and condoms. Need to see more content from them.
@ Kosa/ condoms: please, thoughts on:
- swishh and explosiveforce interaction so far
@ Kosa: Rhand has you as town after 4 posts. Why do you think this is a d do you think (Rhand - he?) can take such a position already?
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Also - for fun Unvote if voting
Vote: Rhand <-- Look, it's your sig come to life
Unvote.
@EtR: Why the unvote?
The Unvote was because I haven't read any if the game and I'm not sure if the player I replaced had a vote on anyone.
The vote on Rhand was for fun since he's got a quote from me in his sig that I used in the rules for my game where I use him as a demonstration vote.
The Unvote for Rhand was because it was just a fun vote.
I was looking into Swishh right before I reread fulcrum. His actions have been poor, but his responses to my questioning were town. The problem I have with fulcrum is how inconsistent her stance is towards you. There seems to be a disconnect between what she says her stance on you is and what her actual thoughts about your alignment are. This is hugely scummy and is also the major difference between her and Swishh.
If you want to look into what triggered me to reread fulcrum, it was hawk's post about her and bigtrainee. I remembered fulcrum being one of the 3-4 players that I had marked for having a slightly scummy post and rereading her showed me her inconsistency.
EF's post is either a massive noob slip or a massive town slip. I'm leaning towards it being a town tell.
Do you have any scum reads?
On another note, condoms and Kosakosa have been prodded. Carry on!
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ok, that's fair enough.
Yes. I didn't have anything about them in my notes.
"whoever the other person was"? Are you even interested in finding scum?
Like I said, I'll drop the percentages thing.
Such analysis is only useful if EF is scum, and would be a bucket full of WIFOM until we see his flip. I don't see a point in doing so unless he flips scum.
If you haven't read anything, why weren't you afraid of your vote on me being a hammer?
It didn't even cross my mind. Although if you were at L-1, there would have been a reason so I wouldn't feel that bad. At least 6 other people would have seen you as scummy already.
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Vote: Rhand
Do you think me wanting to know why EtR isn't afraid of hammering is scummy?
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Perhaps, but we can ignore the post for now and then come back to it later.
Or are you so afraid for there to be more material for us to judge you on in the future?
Basic 82: Hayate the Combat Butler Mafia
Town Doctor, NK N1
Mini: Drury Lane Mafia
Replaced out D1
Mafia "Stuffer"
Basic 80: Sesame Street Mafia
Town Mason, NK N1
Scum Victory
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Replacing Marblez D2
Town Vanilla, Lynched Last Day (D6)
Scum Victory
Mini: Eeveelution Mafia
Town Umbreon, Modkilled D1
Scum Victory
Mini: Deitriptychos Mafia
Town Necromancer, NK N1
Town Victory
I'll have a longer post up in a bit.
I don't like doing this without a flip
I'll use color to give my analysis.
Conclusions: if EF flips scum:
Very likely buddy:
Deathjoey
Plausible buddies:
Swishh
Hawk
Zeman
AG
Probably not buddy:
Raptor
Not buddies:
Fulcrum
Kosa
Storyteller
I have a small scum read on Ex-force and ETR's entrence didn't do much to shift that any direction.
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Quoting relevant stuff that triggered my Kosa Sense while I was rereading. Yes I'm aware some people already replaced out, but I feel it's important to point to their stuff anyway, so bear with me:
@Bigtraine/Rhand:
Even considering the silliness involved, town would like to have a Day Cop pegging scum on D1. Instead, you express relief that he isn't one and didn't. Noted.
I very much like this. Some points I don't agree though:
- I'm not seeing his stance of fulcrum the same way you are. I think he's trying to take attention away from fulcrum via softtalk, especially considering he (EF) is a new player AFAIK.
- Zeman's "townslip" in my opinion makes him very unlikely to be scum. He could be scum with hawk considering how they aren't interacting very much, but I don't think that's likely.
- Considering the speed of Deathjoey's wagon, I also don't think he's scum. I felt he answered everything directed at him during his wagon in a good manner, not panicked or otherwise scummy. EF could just be trying to stay away from a staggering mislynch wagon.
@zemanjaski:
I like this post very much, as zemanjaski wasn't voting anyone and still unvotes regardless. It shows that he isn't being careful with his votes around, a trait scum usually pay close attention to.
Why not pose the same question to hawk, who also has me as one of his top town reads?
@swish:
While I didn't like that bigtraine's post prior to the one you're referring to, this is utter bull****. Many people have the habit of unvoting when RVS is over and you should know that. Also, the lack of content is due to the fact that post is obviously a EBWODP.
I can't figure out why would you post this. At most, it seems a weak attempt at distancing (that or an easy way for you to leave Joey's crumbling wagon), so I'll keep this in mind if by any chance one of you two flip scum.
For you as well, if he ever does. Albeit now I'm much more inclined to believe, after Fulcrum's vote, that Bigtraine became the low-hanging fruit. What gives me pause is how Rhand has me as town here after half a dozen posts. AFAIK he always calls me scum in every game we play together. Could be buddying, bears watching.
What made you pay attention to explosiveforce's posts? I don't recall you commenting on him at all.
I like the case, nonetheless.
@fulcrum:
Wait, so you were actively eagering for swish's explanation in order to... unvote him?
So you knew there was a "correct answer" to your vote? Why did you vote him, then? Because this is an admission that your vote was fabricated.
This is Silver Rage right here, in its purest form.
@explosiveforce:
Fulcrum's scumbuddy. Thanks for making this easy guys.
Fencesits like a boss. Not sure on how that reflects swish's alignment if EF is indeed scum.
Noted.
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TL;DR: I'd happily vote for EF, but I'd rather lynch fulcrum toDay.
I don't like swish.
I didn't like Bigtraine that much but that's more based on interactions. Rhand seems fine though.
I'm torn on hawk and Rancid Raptor.
I like Deathjoey and AGod.
Kpaca is a jello bro.
Story and Zeman are town. I'll be very, very shocked if they ever flip scum.
Meanwhile, let's lynch fulcrum guys.
Vote fulcrum
Anyways, I'm going to look in to this more later and I'll give my top 2 lynch picks.
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Because you've implied he's town in the post before his question.
That post makes no sense if you believe swish to be scum. You just slipped.
Unvote
Vote hawk
I hadn't re-read Hawk as I had him originally leaning town, and being a little too focused I had not paid as much attention to him after my initial read through. After that least interaction, I am going to re-read his posts.
Thanks for your substantial post, gives me a lot to go through.
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Swish Votes Bigtraine.
Bigtraine gets replaced by Rhand.
Rhand makes 1 post.
Swish unvotes and votes for who rhand is now voting for.
Generally if you think someone is scum, you don't vote for the person they are trying to get lynched.
THEN he goes back to voting for Rhand after saying things like:
I just called out his "aggressive play" on what it actually is, a joke. Now you think that I'm saying that he is town and scumslipped??
@Everyone else
Anyways, I think explosive force is the lynch of the day. My personal reason is based on this post
Me and Rhand basically discuss what is wrong with that post. Meanwhile Swish comments on how that makes Rhand look better while completely ignoring ExplosiveForce's post and not directly talking to either of us.
If explosive flips scum, I'd bet either Swish/fulcrum is scum as well.
In other news, I read through some of Disney Villains mafia and Swish seemed to be way more helpful to town in that game than he is currently being in this game. I'm not sure if he decided to change his meta but that makes him look mildly more town and we can wait to see how explosive flips.
Unvote, Vote Explosive Force
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how can you say that you think I'm scum when you tell me that you believe scum (in the third person) is not going to be intimidated by my play? why would scum be intimidated by a buddy's play?
Whichever the case, Scum will not be intimidated by your play.
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Generally if you think someone is scum, you don't call them town.
Yes you did:
As swish first pointed out, the bold leaves no doubt you're referring to swish as if he's town. But you said you have him as scum. It doesn't add up.
You've slipped. You're scum and will be lynched accordingly toDay. We can leave fulcrum and Eron for toMorrow.
And now you're clumsly trying to fix it. Please.
More votes on hawk.
This does not add up with your first post. Your implication was that I was trying (unsuccessfully) to intimidate scum. That clearly indicates you believe I'm town.
I'm interested in what Zeman, AG and Kpaca feel about Explosive, swish and myself.
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I don't remember ever reading it. But please do share
your buddying attemptit with us.Computer died.
I'll still be following but activity will be limited to what I can achieve on mobile.
I have posted comments on the others that still represent my position currently, although I would love to see AG posting more frequently.
Going to re-read through your posts this evening.
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Explosive was one of the people I marked as possible scum early on. However, his reads post is a strong town tell. I agree with Rhand that it's a goldmine if EF shows up scum, but I doubt that he will because of that post.
This post is terrible. The mindset you are constructing here is clearly different from what you had originally. The town response would have been to admit that your tone set Swishh as town and say that was a mistake. Mistakes happen. This explanation is just lying about what your mindset was.
Unvote; Vote 7hawk77
Vote Count:
swishh (1): storyteller
Rhand(2): fulcrum, Swishh
fulcrum(1): Rhand
7hawk77 (2): Kosakosa, AtheistGod
Not Voting (6): zemanjaski, Deathjoey, 7hawk77, Condoms, Rancid Raptor, EtR
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Numbers are mine.
1.I disagree, but whatever.
2.I think Swishh covered it. I'll have to remind myself to look at it again when finals are over.
3.Fair enough.
4. I believe in semi-serious votes in RVS.
5. You added your own views to the discussion. That's interference.
6. Alright.
7. Because I'm easily distracted? More seriously, I didn't consider him/you a prime suspect at the time.
8. Deal with it.
Your analysis of explosiveforce's post was very nice, by the way, in a "making me reevalute my read of you" kind of way.
I feel an obligation to defend this since Bigtraine can't. It's refering to Day 1 events of WWII mafia (namely hans claiming cop and calling Joey scum at the very beginning of the game) that were very distracting to town. I don't think it's valid to attack that post for that reason.
I'm not seeing Zeman's town slip, but I think probably town anyway, so that's cool.
Wait, so you were actively eagering for swish's explanation in order to... unvote him?
So you knew there was a "correct answer" to your vote? Why did you vote him, then? Because this is an admission that your vote was fabricated.[/QUOTE]
He answered with fairly towny reasoning. That was good enough for me to unvote when there were other people to pressure. There's almost always possible town responses and possible scum responses to my pressure. Otherwise, what's the point?
What's Silver Rage?
I actually loathe this post.
Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true.
How so?
Oh, and hawk scumslipped. Lovely.
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I didn't scum slip because I'm not scum. No one has a real case.
Anyways, I'm vanilla so it won't actually hurt the town that much.
Considering my wagon has 2 of my strongest town and scum reads is definitely sending red flags of misguided town.
I think AG is town because I've played a couple games with him and this is by far the most aggressive I've seen him. When he was scum, he played much more of a lurker game.
I have reasons why I think kosa is town. If you look in to his past two league games, his tone is much more jovial than it currently is. I've also played games where he is town and this is the tone that I am used to him having. Either way, don't blindly follow him even if he is town, he is currently misguided.
I feel confidant in the explosive force lynch. I've already explained why and others have only added on to my case.
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I did the same thing here because I disagreed with your "pressuring"
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Even though you were the one who originally caught the scum slip.
Yes I'm going to need you to link that since I see no earthly reason someone who is town would feel the need to teach someone he believes to be scum how to be a better player.
I was waiting for hawk to respond to the question I just reminded him about. I figured a vote would help get a response out of him.
Do you think he's scum? Because that question was awfully loaded, and the entire point here is that he scumslipped by confessing that I'm town. Do you disagree with any of these points or is hawk your scum buddy?
AGod: post 71 still hasn't been addressed and it's bothering me because it's strangely specific.
You say that you don't like that I was barning hawk. What don't you like about that? Do you disagree with what hawk says, do you think I'm scum, or what? In other words, what does the fact that I agreed with hawk tell you about him? - what I originally asked.
Why are you bringing this up now? Are you trying to link me and hawk?
I also don't like that you called my post a loaded question, then proceeded too respond with one of your own.
Do I disagree with these points? No.
Does that make me scum buddy with hawk?
You're going to have to do a lot of work to argue how it's logically consistent to maintain that he scumslipped (the implication of which being that I'm town) and that I'm his scum buddy. So go ahead.
Stop saying you don't like things. Say WHAT you don't like about them. I don't care what you don't like. I care what reasons you have for not liking them.
The post itself that you Barned (post 135) was hawk voting for BT while providing zero reasoning for his vote.
Yet you say that you liked his post? Was that because you were already voting BT at the time?
Again, it's not what your actions say about hawk, it's about what they say about you.
Why am I bringing this up now? It's relevant because it's about you and hawk, and I also haven't posted since I asked you those things so it's not as if I waited to do so.